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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Ioylioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Meta to peras ths syskechs poy pragmatopoieitai shmera sthn Antitromokratikh, qa yparjei politikh dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, kaqws epishs kai mia antistoixh gia ta epixeirhsiaka apo ton arxhgo ths EL.AS. k. Nasiako.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KIRMPAKHS: Sas rwthsa gia thn eidhsh poy dhmosieythke sto "BHMA" ths Kyriakhs, den jerw kata poso alhqeyoyn ayta poy perilambanontai kai sygkekrimena an tis teleytaies hmeres, opws anefere h efhmerida, o k. Ntoyrsoyn Karatas briskotan sthn Ellada. Exete kati neotero;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata kairoys briskontai edw diaforoi Toyrkoi yphkooi, oi opoioi exoyn zhthsei kai toys exei doqei politiko asylo. Qewroyntai politikoi prosfyges .Kata kairoys exoyn breqei kai briskontai akomh kai twra sthn Ellada me bash ta dedomena toy OHE gi` aytes tis periptwseis, panta me thn aysthrh thrhsh twn kanonwn poy epiballei h Ypath Armosteia toy OHE gia toys prosfyges. Gia ton sygkekrimeno, omws, den gnwrizoyme ws twra kati.

Oson afora, to erwthma sas, gia thn egkatastash kapoias organwshs, exw na sas pw oxi kamia tetoioy eidoys organwsh den exei kai den mporei na exei, bebaiws, grafeia sthn Ellada. Profanws ginetai sygxysh me ena nomimo Swmateio poy yparxei kai sto opoio symmetexoyn kai Ellhnes, to opoio exei adeia apo to Prwtodikeio, alla den exei kamia sxesh me toyrkikh organwsh.

KIRMPAKHS: Me bash ayto poy eipate, mesa se aytoys mporei na einai kai o k. Karatas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi bebaia. Den exw, omws, paei sto Prwtodikeio na dw poia einai ta onomata, oyte qa kynhgw egw onomata. Sas eipa oti yparxoyn kapoioi prosfyges me nomimes diadikasies, ws politikoi prosfyges sthn Ellada kai oti den yparxei h organwsh thn opoia moy eipate. Ayth h organwsh den exei grafeia edw kai den einai dynato na exei grafeia edw. Den dinontai tetoies adeies sthn Ellada. Profanws kanete kapoia sygxysh me kapoioys prosfyges poy symmetexoyn se ena Swmateio mazi me Ellhnes. Onomazetai " kentro agwnistikhs politistikhs allhleggyhs", poy exei adeia apo to Prwtodikeio, symfwna me toys nomoys ths xwras mas peri idryshs Swmateiwn..

PITTARAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, anamenoyme kai shmera na doqoyn apospasmata apo tis kataqeseis twn feromenwn ws melwn ths 17N;

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete poly kala oti o proistamenos ths Eisaggelias k. Mpagias exei diatajei prokatarktikh ejetash. To erwthma den prepei kan na apeyqynetai pros thn Kybernhsh bebaiws, giati opws gnwrizete poly kala den einai h kybernhsh ypeyqynh se kanena shmeio gia tis sxetikes diarroes.

SKOYRHS: To katadikazete, dhladh, eseis ayto, opws tote me th fwtografia toy k. Jhroy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti tetoies prajeis einai teleiws ejw apo th logikh mas. Opws gnwrizete poly kala, h diarroh exei ginei -xwris bebaiws na mporoyme na to apodeijoyme, qa to apodeijei pisteyw h prokatarktikh ejetash- apo alloys poy nomimws eixan thn eyxereia prosbashs sth sxetikh dikografia. Apo ekei kai pera, thn ejetash poy zhthse o k. Mpagias, xwris kamia kybernhtikh parembash -to tonizw ayto- qa apodeijei ti akribws egine. Kai emeis bebaiws perimenoyme ta apotelesmata twn ereynwn. Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na tonisw oti sthn Ellada oloi einai aqwoi mexris apodeijews toy enantioy. Kaneis den exei kanena dikaiwma na qewrei kapoion enoxo kai na anaferetai se opoiondhpote polith. Ayto einai pagia arxh poy prepei kai twra na thrhqei, dioti exoyme pei -kai to epanalambanw ayto kai qa epimenw se ayto- oti olh ayth h ypoqesh einai poly dyskolh kai shmantikh gia to mellon ths koinwnias kai ths xwras mas. Qa prepei na proseggistei me idiaiterh sobarothta kai eyqynh kai panta -kai to tonizw ayto- sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos, twn nomwn mas kai ths ennoias toy kratoys dikaioy. Den einai dynaton, oyte na xarakthrizontai enoxoi, oyte na prosagontai se dikes thleoptikwn paraqyrwn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den apanthsate, kat` arxhn, an to katadikazete kai qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai para poly safes. Den yparxei peri aytoy kamia amfibolia. Alla sas eipa jana oti anazhteiste, makria apo thn kybernhsh, toys ypeyqynoys. Epanalambanw oti h armodia eisaggelia dia toy proistamenoy ths -apo o,ti plhroforhqhka apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs- dietaje EDE. Edwse entolh o armodios eisaggeleas ston proistameno na ginei prokatarktikh ejetash. Apo thn proodo ths ejetashs qa maqoyme ti akribws synebh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Poso apasxolei thn kybernhsh h istoria ayth, dioti h ereyna brisketai se ejelijh kai ti prokeitai na ginei kai sto mellon, dioti edw ayth th stigmh feretai oti ayth h diarroh exei prokalesei kai polla sxolia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws kai exei prokalesei sxolia. Sas eipa ki egw dyo sxolia moy. An qelete na sas ta epanalabw.

Ypenqymizw oti oydeis einai enoxos mexris ths apodeijews ths enoxhs toy. To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme, anti na prospaqoyme na kanoyme ton astynomiko kai na caxnoyme na broyme enoxoys sta thleoptika paraqyra, einai na afhsoyme tis diwktikes arxes na kanoyn th doyleia toys, thn opoia kanoyn poly kala. Ayto to shmeio xrhzei idiaiterhs prosoxhs. Den exei shmasia an kapoios kateqese kati kata kapoioy alloy. Den mporoyme emeis na bgainoyme kai na toy dinoyme onomata, na onomazoyme "enoxoys" h na toys dikazoyme kai na toys katadikazoyme sta thleoptika paraqyra. Ayto den ginetai, einai ejw apo thn arxh toy kratoys dikaioy kai qa elega oti den tairiazei kai sth dhmokratia mas. Qelw na zhthsw apo oloys na staqoyn idiaitera ypeyqyna se ayta ta qemata. Oson afora tis epimeroys diarroes, hdh oi armodioi dietajan th sxetikh ejetash kai qa maqoyme ti egine.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ektimate oti h diarroh ayth dysxerainei pleon to ergo ths ereynas;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ereyna proxwrei. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, einai safes oti kapoioi prepei na analambanoyn tis eyqynes toys. En pash periptwsei, h ereyna qa proxwrhsei kai den yparxei kanena problhma me ayth. Oi arxes gnwrizoyn poly kala th doyleia toys kai na eiste bebaioi oti qa th feroyn plhrws se peras. Alla, oso pio poly kai emeis stekomaste ypeyqyna, toso kalytera thn kanoyn. Kaqe mh ypeyqynh stash, mporei qewrhtika -den mporw na gnwrizw se poio shmeio- na dhmioyrghsei kapoio problhma.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Orismenoi ermhneyoyn th diarroh aytwn twn apologiwn ws kati to opoio qa perna ena mhnyma se aytoys poy piqanon qa syllhfqoyn, dioti ayth th stigmh gnwrizoyn tis kataqeseis twn syllhfqentwn. Ti lete ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den paizoyme me ayta. Exoyme sebastei apolyta ayto poy lene to Syntagma, oi nomoi mas kai h baqia pisth mas sto kratos dikaioy. Makria apo mas, kaqe eidoys tetoia paixnidia kai skopimothtes. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den exoyn ekporeytei apo emas. Na eiste bebaios oti se ayto to shmeio, h politikh ths kybernhshs einai safhs kai den xwrei kamia amfibolia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den eipa ayto. To sxolio sas hqela ep` aytoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Hdh, to exw kanei polles fores kai idiaitera entona kai pisteyw oti sas exw kalycei.

MOYRTZHS: Eipate se ena shmeio oti den exei shmasia kapoios na kataqetei enantion alloy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti den mporoyme, me bash ayto, na xarakthrizoyme kapoion ws enoxo.

MOYRTZHS: Anafereste sthn periptwsh ths kataqeshs toy Xristodoyloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den anaferomai se kamia kataqesh, oyte sxoliazw tis kataqeseis. Den qa kanw ayto to laqos.

MOYRTZHS: Einai genikh h parathrhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai parathrhseis genikoy xarakthra. Dioti, an kanw to laqos na sxoliasw epimeroys shmeia twn kataqesewn, qa mplejw se mia istoria myqistorhmatwn, ypoqesewn, astynomikwn ejetasewn kai allwn pragmatwn, poy den qa mas bgaloyn poyqena. Edw kanoyme politikh. H astynomikh ereyna proxwra apo toys ypeyqynoys, oi opoioi kanoyn poly kala kai sobara th doyleia toys.

GARGALAKOS: Wstoso, proseja th frash sas poy leei oti "mexri na apodeixqei kapoios enoxos". Dhladh, oti oloi einai aqwoi, mexri na apodeixqei oti einai enoxoi. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, epeidh milame gia sygkekrimeno proswpo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa anaferqw se kanena sygkekrimeno proswpo. Mporei ayrio na exoyme kai alla proswpa.

MOYRTZHS: To afhnete, omws, na aiwreitai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete dei ta "ban" twn kanaliwn poy briskontai. As mhn krybomaste pisw apo to daktylo mas.

GARGALAKOS: Den mporoyme na exoyme mia safh qesh, eite apo tis diwktikes arxes, eite mia politikh dhlwsh sxetika me ayto to proswpo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa afhsoyme tis arxes asfaleias na kanoyn th doyleia toys; Ayto einai to erwthma. Dioti, oi arxes asfaleias gnwrizoyn poion prosagoyn kai otan prepei na syllaboyn kapoion, me bash tis apodeijeis h tis apoxrwses endeijeis poy exoyn sta xeria toys, anakoinwnoyn th syllhch toy. Den exoyn na krycoyn tipota apo kanenan. Kai gnwrizete oti meta to stadio ths syllhchs kai ths proanakrishs, erxetai to stadio ths apaggelias ths kathgorias kai ths taktikhs anakrishs. Meta erxetai to boyleyma, me bash ton ametaklhto teleytaio nomo kai h dikh. Kai milame gia toys kanones mias dikaihs dikhs. Oloi dikaioyntai na exoyn mia dikaih dikh. Ola ginontai kai aysthra, alla kai me bash toys kanones dikaioy. Den qelw na kanw dhlwseis gia kanena, dioti den mporw na gnwrizw -kai fysika den gnwrizw kai den qelw na gnwrizw- se poio akribws shmeio, gia kaqe proswpo, briskontai oi ereynes twn astynomikwn arxwn, giati den einai ayth h doyleia moy.

GARGALAKOS: Apo dhlwseis kybernhtikwn paragontwn mpainei ena erwthma, ean kataferei h ereyna na fqasei, na fwtisei olh thn ypoqesh poy onomazoyme tromokratia kai eidika sthn periptwsh ths tromokratikhs organwshs 17N, ean mporesei na fqasei na fwtisei kai to arxiko stadio ayths ths organwshs kai ta proswpa poy synapoteloysan ton idrytiko pyrhna. Eseis ws kybernhsh, eiste pepeismenoi oti qa fqasete mexri to telos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apantw eyqews, nai. Qa fqasoyme mexri to telos, aytos einai o stoxos mas. Exoyme baqia pisth se ayto. Gnwrizoyme na doyleyoyme sobara, swsta kai ypeyqyna, na ajiopoioyme ola ta stoixeia kai eimaste bebaioi oti qa ejarqrwsoyme plhrws kai th 17N, alla kai to synolo twn tromokratikwn organwsewn sthn Ellada. Einai ena qema dhmokratias, asfaleias ths koinwnias, einai qema dieqnoys qeshs kai paroysias ths xwras mas. Kai ayto gia mas einai adiapragmateyto. Qelw na kanw safes oti h olh leitoyrgia mas einai poly prosektikh. Bgainoyn onomata stis periptwseis poy yparxoyn omologies h apodeijeis. Fysika kai pali qa perasoyn apo th dikastikh diadikasia. Kaneis den exei katadikastei mexri thn wra ths ekdikashs ths ypoqeshs. Kai ayto qelei idiaiterh prosoxh apo oloys mas.

PITTARAS: Se sxesh me thn allh ypoqesh ths diarrohs ths fwtografias toy traymatismenoy Sabba Jhroy, exei fqasei kapoy ayth h ereyna;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ereyna proxwrei. Ayth th stigmh, den exw sth diaqesh moy ta apotelesmata ths gia na sas ta anakoinwsw.

SKOYRHS: Pote qa teleiwsei; Giati synhqws aytes oi ereynes den teleiwnoyn pote.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, gia na oloklhrwqei mia ereyna prepei na katalhjei se apotelesma, dhladh na anadeijei ton ypeyqyno. Ean den exei kataferei na anadeijei ton enoxo, apo elliph stoixeia, shmainei oti h ereyna prepei na synexistei.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Ena sxolio gia th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Laliwth, meta tis plhrofories poy eferan ton armodio anakrith na parapempei thn ypoqesh MAYO, alla kai thn ypoqesh twn Spatwn sto arxeio.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Laliwths edwse kai dinei mia shmantikh maxh gia to qema ths diafaneias, to meizon qema sto dhmosio bio. Exei zhthsei kai prospaqei na katoxyrwqei h diafaneia ws mia adiapragmateyth arxh sth dhmosia zwh kai idiaitera dinei mia maxh sto sobaro qema toy tropoy xrhmatodothshs twn kommatwn. O k. Laliwths me qarros yposthrije safws th qesh ayth -kai bebaiws anelabe thn eyqynh- kai oxi apla thn yposthrije dhmosia, alla kai paroysiasthke ston eisaggelea kai kateqese ta stoixeia, ta opoia eixe sth diaqesh toy. Qa elega oti to kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme ayth th stigmh einai na afhsoyme th dikaiosynh na proxwrhsei to ergo ths, dioti, opws einai gnwsto, h ypoqesh ayth einai se ejelijh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: O k. Laliwths, omws, afhse xqes safeis aixmes kata toy armodioy eisaggelea. Eseis, shmera, lete oti to kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na afhsoyme thn Eisaggelia na proxwrhsei sth doyleia ths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas qymizw oti h ypoqesh ayth einai se ejelijh.

POYLIDOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exei teqei qema apo amerikanikhs pleyras, oi syllhfqentes-prosaxqentes, enantion twn opoiwn exei diatypwqei h kathgoria gia symmetoxh se dolofonies Amerikanwn politwn, na ekdoqoyn sthn Amerikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Giati syzhtame epi anyparktoy qematos. Den syzhtw epi ypoqetikwn erwthmatwn.

POYLIDOY: Rwthsa, ean exei teqei qema apo amerikanikhs pleyras.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Oi syllhfqentes, exoyn prosaxqei me bash sygkekrimena stoixeia. Gnwrizete oti polloi apo aytoys exoyn omologhsei, dhladh exoyn apodexqei oi idioi tis kathgories poy toys barynoyn, Epomenws, proxwroyme sto stadio ths proanakritikhs diadikasias. Exoyme to stadio ths taktikhs anakrishs. Oi perissoteroi apo aytoys mexri twra gnwrizete oti exoyn kriqei profylakisteoi. Bebaiws, qa afhsoyme th dikaiosynh na kanei th doyleia ths.

KOYIN: Yparxei aithma astynomikhs syndromhs apo thn Toyrkia sta qemata ths tromokratias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei katateqei, mexri th stigmh poy milame, epishma tetoio aithma. Gnwrizw oti yparxoyn sxetika erwthmata pros thn presbeia mas, alla akoma den exoyn diatypwqei epishma. Einai profanes oti mporei na diatypwqoyn tetoia aithmata, dioti dhmosieyqhke stis efhmerides shmera, oti kapoioi Toyrkoi enexontai sthn ypoqesh ths tromokratias. Alla, nomizw oti o feromenos ws emplekomenos sthn ypoqesh exei apobiwsei.

KAPPOS: Prohgoymenws epanalabate th bebaiothta ths kybernhshs gia oloklhrwtikh ejarqrwsh ths 17N. Qelw na sas rwthsw ayth h bebaiothta se ti sthrizetai; Mallon, ti shmainei; Prokeitai gia ektimhsh; Prokeitai gia politikh boylhsh h jekina apo plhrh gnwsh olwn twn stoixeiwn apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, se sxesh me th 17N, pragma poy epitrepei mia tetoia dhlwsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws einai ta dyo prwta poy eipate. Einai aytapodeikta. Exoyme thn politikh boylhsh na ejarqrwsoyme thn tromokratia. Kai doyleyontas me eyqynh kai apotelesmatikothta, exoyme thn aisiodojia oti qa ta kataferoyme mexri to telos. Ejalloy, blepete oti h poreia twn ereynwn einai se idiaitera qetiko dromo. Fysika den exoyme teleiwsei. Fysika exoyme poly dromo akoma. Omws, pairnoyme dynamh apo thn mexri twra poreia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Sas akoysame prin apo ligo, na lete gia to qema ths MAYO, oti h ypoqesh ejelissetai. Emeis plhroforhqhkame oti h ypoqesh phgainei sto arxeio. Poia einai h ejelijh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mallon den to diabasate kala. Einai eishghsh, den einai apofash. Den exoyme kamia diaqesh na paremboyme sth dikaiosynh.

SKOYRHS: Ews twra h dikaiosynh se ayto to qema, exei kanei kala th doyleia ths;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa apanthsw. Allwste, einai pagia arxh mas na mh sxoliazoyme to ergo ths dikaiosynhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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