Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-03-22

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Martioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sxoliasete th syllhch toy antiproedroy toy boylgarikoy kommoynistikoy kommatos, o opoios erxomenos sthn Ellada synelhfqh ws egklhmatias polemoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, den synelhfqh. Den toy epetraph h eisodos sth xwra. Ayto egine me bash th Synqhkh Sengken. Opws gnwrizete h Ellada exei synypogracei th Synqhkh ayth, opws kai oi alles xwres - melh ths E.E.. Me bash th Synqhkh Sengken, o antiproedros toy boylgarikoy kommoynistikoy kommatos exei xarakthristei apo th gallikh kybernhsh ws persona non grata. Ayto isxyei, symfwna me th Synqhkh, kai gia tis alles xwres-melh ths E.E.. Ara, h opoia diamartyria toy kommatos aytoy h ths boylgarikhs kybernhshs, prepei na apeyqynqei pros th gallikh pleyra. Emeis efarmosame, ws ofeilame, th Synqhkh Sengken. Ayto ginetai kai qa ginetai.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, dyo erwthseis: Prwton, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia ta stoixeia poy kateqesan xqes o koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos ths N.D. kai o grammateas, o k. Paylopoylos kai o k. Sioyfas, kai symfwna me ta opoia peripoy 2,5 dis draxmes plhrwnontai mono gia tis yperwries twn synergatwn ypoyrgwn, yfypoyrgwn kai genikwn grammatewn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe xrono ginetai h idia syzhthsh. Einai staqera posa ta opoia yparxoyn gia kaqe grafeio ypoyrgoy h yfypoyrgoy h alloy kratikoy leitoyrgoy, poy problepontai apo toys sxetikoys nomoys. Oi wres einai staqeres, problepetai sygkekrimeno poso kai den allazei o ariqmos twn synergatwn ana grafeio. Ayta isxyoyn edw kai para polla xronia.

IWANNOY: Gia thn epistolh Mpler, qa hqela na moy peite pws eide h kybernhsh ta osa anaferei o Bretanos prwqypoyrgos, sxetika me ta armata kai thn emplokh poy exei ginei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia emplokh. Yparxoyn apofaseis toy KYSEA. Einai logiko na yparxoyn diafores aitiaseis apo mia seira xwres kai kybernhseis. Den einai mono h agglikh kybernhsh. Kai alles kybernhseis eixan tis apoceis toys. Eixan ekdhlwsei endiaferon -kai ayto to endiaferon ekdhlwnetai me poikiloys tropoys- apo th stigmh poy prokhryxqhke aytos o diagwnismos, gia thn promhqeia toy sxetikoy ejoplismoy apo th dikhs toys paragwgh.

H Ellada krinei me bash ta dika ths symferonta. Prokhryssei diagwnismo, ejetazei bebaiws tis oikonomikes prosfores, to kostos, ejetazei thn texnikh symbatothta toy kaqe morfhs ejoplismoy me tis anagkes toy ellhnikoy stratoy kai bebaiws ejetazei kai thn apotelesmatikothta, alla kai tis xronikes proqesmies paralabhs gia thn kaqe paraggelia. Me bash ola ayta kriqhke ws poly kalyterh -kai meta apo poly makres kai ejonyxistikes diadikasies poy eginan apo armodies epitropes toy Stratoy- mia allh protash. Ayto ejetasthke analytika apo to KYSEA se eidikh synedriash kai elhfqhsan oi sxetikes apofaseis. Aytes oi apofaseis throyntai.

IWANNOY: Yparxoyn periqwria epanejetashs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti exoyn lhfqei apofaseis apo to KYSEA. Kai aytes oi apofaseis den exoyn lhfqei me bash poion protimoyme h me bash tis sxeseis metajy xwrwn. Yparxoyn kapoia krithria, ta opoia sas aneptyja prohgoymenws. Eginan sygkriseis olwn twn prosforwn, yphrjan sygkekrimenes eishghseis apo tis armodies yphresies toy Epiteleioy -dioti leitoyrghsan para polloi poy ejetasan tis sxetikes prosfores- eginan eishghseis pros to KYSEA kai ayto omofwna katelhje sthn apofash poy gnwrizete. Prepei na sas pw akomh oti sxetikh protash ypebalan polles Kybernhseis.

TAKHS: Poia einai h apoch sas gia th diadikasia sygkrothshs toy neoy ESR, pote qa prepei na jekinhsei;

PRWTOPAPAS: To ypoyrgeio exei ekfrasei emprakta thn apoch toy. Exei aposteilei epistolh me thn opoia zhta apo to ellhniko koinoboylio na kinhsei tis diadikasies gia to diorismo neoy ESR.

TAKHS: Pisteyete pws ayto prepei na ginei amesa;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ek twn pragmatwn, otan exei lhjei h qhteia enos organoy, kai sthn eidikh periptwsh mias anejarthths arxhs, kai otan einai gnwsto oti h nea anejarthth arxh den qa yfistatai oyte ton elegxo nomimothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy -ayto ejalloy problepei to Syntagma mas- einai safes oti o neos diorismos dieykolynei apo oles tis apoceis. Kaqista akomh pio isxyrh kai anejarthth thn arxh ayth. Xwris bebaiws, me ayto poy lew, na qelw na ypobaqmisw, se kamia periptwsh, to sobaro ergo poy egine apo to shmerino Symboylio. Alla, enisxyei akomh perissotero thn ajiopistia kai thn apotelesmatikothta twn apofasewn toy. Ara, einai poly kalytero na exoyme ena ESR xwris na yfistatai ton elegxo nomimothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy -kai to lew ayto egw, o Ypoyrgos- gia na einai akomh pio ajiopisto kai pio apotelesmatiko. Giati ayto xreiazomaste gia th ryqmish poy oneireyomaste, poy epiqymoyme kai prowqoyme sto radiothleoptiko topio. Ayto pisteyw oti qa empisteyetai kalytera o ellhnikos laos, para ena organo to opoio kanei bebaiws kala th doyleia toy kai prospaqei, alla yfistatai kai ton elegxo nomimothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy, ara exei kai kapoion elegxo apo amesh kratikh arxh, apo kybernhtikes qeseis.

TAKHS: Meta apo ayth th qesh sas, qa qelate na sxoliasete kai thn apoch toy Proedroy ths Boylhs, otan xqes ton rwthsame, poy mas eipe oti den xreiazetai kaqoloy na kinhsei tis diadikasies gia th sygkrothsh toy neoy ESR kai pisteyei oti ayto exei olh thn ejoysia na kanei swsta th doyleia toy, opws thn kanei shmera, kai parepemce sto mellon to pote qa apofasisei na kinhsei th diadikasia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den epiqymw na sxoliasw ton Proedro ths ellhnikhs Boylhs. Den pisteyw oti einai aytos o rolos moy. Sas eipa toys logoys gia toys opoioys ena Symboylio...

TAKHS: Rwtw, giati blepoyme mia diastash apocewn.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei tis dikes ths apoceis. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti ypoxreoytai h Boylh -ws qesmos- na exei tis apoceis ths kybernhshs. Den qewrw oti yparxei problhma. Ekeino poy emeis qewroyme einai oti ena neo ESR, apo th stigmh malista poy exei lhjei ek twn pragmatwn h qhteia toy palaioy, to opoio einai plhrws anejarthto me bash ayto poy epitassei to Syntagma mas kai den yfistatai ton elegxo nomimothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy, einai akomh pio isxyro, pio apotelesmatiko kai pio ajiopisto. Kai mporei na symbalei poly qetikotera sto na mpei h tajh poy epiqymoyme -kai pisteyw oti epiqymei kai o ellhnikos laos- sto radiothleoptiko topio. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Pantws, gia to yfistameno ESR, opoiadhpote apofash labei, qa th sthrijei to Ypoyrgeio Typoy gia na ylopoihqei; Giati yparxei ena anoikto qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: To Ypoyrgeio Typoy, otan exei ton elegxo nomimothtas, exei kai thn eyqynh, to dikaiwma, alla kai thn ypoxrewsh na ton askei.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Qewreite swsth thn paroysia twn melwn toy ESR, xqes to brady, se thleoptika kanalia, poy ekmetalleyontai ta dyo paixnidia apo ta opoia exei proklhqei o salos kai na diatypwnoyn thn antiqesh toys me thn apofash toy Proedroy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo th stigmh poy ta melh toy ESR phgan kai sta kanalia poy exoyn allh apoch, htan fysiko oti qa phgainan kai sta kanalia poy eixan thn prwth apoch. Den mporoyme na kanoyme diaxwrismoys se ayta. Giati na ypokrinomaste metajy mas; Otan jekinhse mia syzhthsh se kapoioys thleoptikoys staqmoys, ayth h syzhthsh qa epekteinotan kapoia stigmh. Kai apo th stigmh poy arxisan na emfanizontai ta melh toy ESR se kapoioys staqmoys, qa phgainan kai stoys alloys, kati to opoio qewrw apolyta fysiologiko. En pash periptwsei, den epiqymw na krinw ta melh mias anejarthths arxhs. Alla, qa prepei na katanooyme oti, otan anoigei enas tetoios dialogos, einai logiko na epekteinetai. Den nomizw oti sthn Ellada exei na krycei tipota h mporei na krycei tipota kaneis apo kanenan. Einai mia baqia dhmokratikh xwra kai to na ginetai dialogos den einai kako. To antiqeto, malista.

IWANNOY: Briskomaste twra en anamonh ths apofashs toy ESR kai dedomenoy oti xqes apofygate na sxoliaste, epi ths diadikasias toylaxiston, thn energeia toy k. Lampridh, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, meta to qorybo poy jespase kai olh ayth th syzhthsh, ean telika traymatizetai etsi to kyros toy qesmoy kai ths anejarthths arxhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: O rolos moy einai na perifroyrw to kyros toy qesmoy kai ths anejarthths arxhs. To ekana kai xqes, to kanw kai twra, ypo thn ennoia oti den exei lhfqei akomh h apofash. Bebaiws, otan lhfqei h apofash, qa exete thn apoch mas. Ejalloy, ayto problepetai kai apo to nomo.

ARGYROS: Fobaste me thn apofash ayth toy ESR oti anoigei enas neos dromos, otan mia ekpomph den aresei se mia koinwnikh omada na askeitai piesh pros ta kanalia h thn anejarthth arxh kai na kobetai ayth h ekpomph;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean hqela na topoqethqw epi ths oysias, qa eixa topoqethqei hdh. Na eiste bebaios gi` ayto.

MOYRTZHS: H pronomia toy Proedroy toy ESR, kata th gnwmh sas, twra poy ta blepete me kapoia apostash einai swsth h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

GARGALAKOS: Meta tis xqesines anakoinwseis sas kai syndikalistes, alla kai kommata xarakthrisan aneparkh th xrhmatodothsh poy apofasise h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy PASOK. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kapoioi syndikalistes to eipan. Yparxoyn apoceis, yparxei, omws, kai h pragmatikothta. Sebomaste oles tis apoceis. Diaforetika den ginetai dialogos gia to Asfalistiko. Kamia apoch den einai ej orismoy aporriptea. Oles oi apoceis emperiexoyn stoixeia, ta opoia ajiologoyntai kai tis xreiazomaste. Xreiazomaste to dialogo. To Afalistiko afora thn ellhnikh koinwnia kai olh h ellhnikh koinwnia exei rolo se ayto to dialogo. Apo kei kai pera, ekeino poy qelw na tonisw kai shmera, opws kai xqes, opws hdh ekanan kai oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi, einai oti to kratos ejasfalizei plhrws thn anagkaia xrhmatodothsh gia mia dikaih kai biwsimh lysh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. Antimetwpizoyme to Asfalistiko me proqesh prosforas ston polith kai oxi ws anagkaio kako. H xrhmatodothsh ayth, gnwrizete oti ginetai pros dyo kateyqynseis: H mia afora thn ekplhrwsh twn ypoxrewsewn toy kratoys, sth bash ths trimeroys xrhmatodothshs, opoia kaqoristei. Ayth ginetai kai qa ginetai. H deyterh xrhmatodothsh qa einai h prosqeth xrhmatodothsh. Qa yparxei kat` etos ena poso, to opoio qa didetai apo to kratos, ws prosqeth xrhmatodothsh gia to asfalistiko systhma, poy qa leitoyrgei kai me kefalaiopoihtiko tropo gia thn kalych problhmatwn toy mellontos, dioti ayth th stigmh den yparxoyn alla problhmata. Qa einai, dhladh, mia emmesh ``proikodothsh'' toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, sth bash enos symbolaioy, metajy toy Dhmosioy kai toy IKA, h opoia qa xrhsimopoihqei, ean xreiastei, gia thn kalych problhmatwn toy mellontos. Yparxei, loipon, kai h taktikh xrhmatodothsh, yparxei kai h prosqeth xrhmatodothsh. Bebaiws, to qema ayto den exei kleisei. Yparxei sto trapezi toy dialogoy kai ginetai syzhthsh me tis syndikalistikes organwseis, toys koinwnikoys foreis kai bebaiws me ta kommata poy epiqymoyn na to syzhthsoyn.

Qelw me thn eykairia ayth na tonisw oti mas projenei idiaiterh entypwsh h epimonh ths N.D. na frontizei na diafhmizei ta metra poy elabe kata thn periodo 1990-1993. Bebaiws, ofeilw na omologhsw oti ayto prosferei kalh yphresia sthn kybernhsh toy PASOK, dioti qymizei poia einai h N.D., poia einai h politikh ths. Dikaiwnei tis epishmanseis mas gia thn emmonh ths sthn epoxh kai ta metra ths periodoy 1990-1993, ta opoia, ws gnwrizete, prokalesan kai tote thn antidrash toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy laoy gegonos poy ekdhlwqhke stis ekloges toy 1993. H N.D. epiqymei na janagyrisei se ekeinh thn politikh kai se ekeinh thn epoxh. Ejalloy, einai oi idioi anqrwpoi, ta idia stelexh, poy tote diaxeiristhkan, me ayto ton idiaitera arnhtiko tropo tis tyxes ths xwras kai synanthsan thn kaqolikh antidrash toy ellhnikoy laoy se krisima qemata, opws htan to Asfalistiko. O ellhnikos laos, epomenws, qa prepei na qymatai poly kala ti egine tote. Gnwrizei poly kala poia einai ta metra ths N.D., opws eixan ekdhlwqei me to legomeno ``nomo Sioyfa''. Eimaste bebaioi oti qa frontisei na mh dwsei dikaiwma na epanalhfqoyn tetoies politikes.

Qelw na qymisw oti me ta metra mas, me tis protaseis poy exoyn ginei, toylaxiston apo ton k. Reppa, antikaqistantai basika stoixeia toy nomoy toy k. Sioyfa. Orismena eixan katarghqei me ta metra poy eixame labei to 1997 kai to 1998. Yparxoyn pronoies kai gia dyo akomh basika stoixeia toy nomoy Sioyfa: H prwth afora thn katwterh syntajh, poy qa meiwnotan gia toys neoys asfalismenoys se 65.000 draxmes kai yparxei problech symfwna me thn opoia epanerxetai sto shmerino ycos kai, bebaiws, me tis opoies ayjhseis doqoyn. H deyterh, afora to pososto anaplhrwshs, to opoio gia toys neoys asfalismenoys problepotan na einai 60% kai twra paei sto 70% gia th basikh syntajh. Exoyme, loipon, kai thn katarghsh dyo akomh kentrikwn stoixeiwn toy nomoy Sioyfa. Emprakta throyme tis desmeyseis poy eixame analabei oti kata thn epilysh toy Asfalistikoy, ola ayta ta arnhtika metra poy periexei o nomos Sioyfa kai eixan synanthsei thn kaqolikh antidrash toy ellhnikoy laoy katargoyntai.

IWANNOY: Gia oloys emas poy exoyme parakoloyqhsei olh ayth th syzhthsh gia th sygkrothsh toy neoy ESR, apo th syzhthsh toy Syntagmatos, qa perimene kaneis -kai mas kanei entypwsh- oti qa yphrxe megalyterh synennohsh ths kybernhshs me ton Proedro ths Boylhs, ws pros ayto to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Blepete poly kala oti throyme mia idiaitera prosektikh stash. Kai prepei na anagnwrisoyme oti einai idiaitera leptoi oi xeirismoi, oi opoioi apaitoyntai apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs, apo th Boylh genikotera, th Diaskech twn Proedrwn, gia na katalhjei se ena neo ESR. Dioti oloi katanooyme oti xreiazetai eite omofwnia, poy einai to epiqymhto, eite h eyrytath pleiochfia twn 4/5. Kaneis den mporei na to jexna ayto. Kaneis den prepei na jexna oti gia na katalhjei kapoios se mia pleiochfia toso megalh, poy na proypoqetei na synennohqoyn kai na symfwnhsoyn oloi h sth xeiroterh periptwsh -poy den einai epiqymhth- na synennohqoyn kai na symfwnhsoyn tria kommata, shmainei praktika oti qelei leptoys xeirismoys, xamhloys tonoys, sobarh doyleia kai idiaitera prosektikes kinhseis. Epeidh eimaste apolytws bebaioi oti o k. Kaklamanhs, ws Proedros ths Boylhs kai h Diaskech twn Proedrwn kinoyntai se ayto to plaisio. Apofeygoyme thn opoiasdhpote morfhs allh syzhthsh kai aplws diatypwnoyme th skech mas.

KARGOYDH: Mia symplhrwmatikh erwthsh: Efoson, o idios eipate oti exei lhjei h qhteia toy shmerinoy....

PRWTOPAPAS: Parateinetai mexri to diorismo ths neas.

KARGOYDH: Yparxei, omws, ena eidos paratypias, an oxi paranomias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai oyte paranomia, oyte paratypia. Problepetai.

KARGOYDH: Oysiastikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Problepetai. Typois eimaste entajei, nomika eimaste entajei. Yparxei ena, as poyme, politiko qema, me thn politikh ennoia toy oroy.

KARGOYDH: Giati den epirriptete kapoies eyqynes; To dhmioyrgeite eseis, to dhmioyrgei h N.D. poios to dhmioyrgei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti eixa na pw to eipa.

KARGOYDH: Eseis proswpika, ws ypoyrgos Typoy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, proswpika.. Den einai proswpiko to qema.

KARGOYDH: Ws ypoyrgos Typoy. Poios paragontas, loipon, dhmioyrgei to politiko qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti kinhqhke h diadikasia. Yphrxe enas antikeimenikos logos. O logos einai oti eprepe na perasei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs. Xwris to neo kanonismo ths Boylhs, den mporoysan na energopoihqoyn oi diadikasies toy Syntagmatos. Ws gnwrizete, o Kanonismos ths Boylhs phre ariqmo FEK, stis arxes toy xronoy. Ara, prin apo ton Ianoyario den htan dynato na kinhqoyn oi diadikasies diorismoy toy neoy ESR. Ayto einai antikeimeniko. Prepei na jeroyme ti ginetai. Apo kei kai pera, fysika eprepe na kinhqoyn oi diadikasies. O nomos problepei thn epistolh toy ypoyrgoy Typoy kai MME. H epistolh egine , sta telh Ianoyarioy. Xreiazontai leptoi xeirismoi. Eimai bebaios oti to Koinoboylio qa antapokriqei me ton tropo poy ayto qa epilejei, dioti ayto einai armodio. Ayto poy qelw na tonisw, gia na mhn yparxei parejhghsh, einai pws einai nomimes apolytws kai typikes oi apofaseis toy ESR, dioti mexri to diorismo toy neoy, parateinetai h qhteia toy.

KARGOYDH: Einai apodynamwmenes, omws ....

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti antikeimenika yparxei ena politiko qema, poy einai to ejhs: To politiko qema einai oti to Syntagma problepei ESR plhrws anejarthto, xwris ton elegxo nomimothtas toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy. To shmerino ESR yfistatai ton elegxo nomimothtas toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy. Gia mena ayto einai to oysiastiko problhma.

IWANNOY: Ean paraithqei shmera o k. Lampridhs, lew qewrhtika, qa prepei na jekinhsei amesws h diadikasia, anagkastika, ths sygkrothshs toy neoy ESR.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete th synhqeia moy na mhn apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

IWANNOY: Epi ths diadikasias rwtw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw thn arxh na mhn apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

Kalo trihmero.

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