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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Martioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti synexizontai kai qa oloklhrwqoyn mexri kai thn epomenh Trith oi synanthseis gia thn proetoimasia toy sxedioy nomoy gia to asymbibasto metajy basikoy metoxoy radiothleoptikoy mesoy kai epixeirhmatia poy synallassetai me to Dhmosio.

Eixa thn eykairia thn prohgoymenh ebdomada na synanthqw me ton ekproswpo toy KKE k. Skyllako kai na antallajoyme apoceis. Shmera synanthqhka me ton ekproswpo toy Synaspismoy k. Boytsh. Qa akoloyqhsei synanthsh me thn ekproswpo toy KEP kyria Bozempergk. Epishs, shmera, syzhthsa me toys boyleytes toy PASOK, sto plaisio toy dieyrymenoy Koinoboyleytikoy Tomea Ergasias, sth Boylh. Apo th syzhthsh ayth proekyce omofwnh sthrijh stis basikes kateyqynseis toy sxedioy nomoy. Exoyn oloklhrwqei oi synanthseis me thn ESHEA, paroysia kai toy proedroy ths POESY k. Gklaba, kai thn ESHEMQ. Qa yparjoyn, epishs, synanthseis me thn Enwsh Idiokthtwn Efhmeridwn kai thn Enwsh Idiokthtwn Radiofwnwn. Opws gnwrizete den yparxei enwsh idiokthtwn thleoptikwn kanaliwn. Bebaiws, an kapoios apo toys thleoptikoys staqmoys qelei na mas steilei tis protaseis toy exei olh th dynatothta na to kanei.

Opws antilambaneste, yparxei enas poly ploysios kai shmantikos dialogos, xwris ayto bebaiws na shmainei oti panta yparxoyn symfwnies. Omws, egine enas shmantikos dialogos, katagrafhkan apoceis, protaseis, diafwnies, symfwnies, nees kateyqynseis. Etsi, opws sas eipa, pisteyw oti mesa sthn erxomenh ebdomada qa kataqesoyme to sxetiko sxedio nomoy sth Boylh.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Me aformh thn parathrhsh sas, qa hqela na moy peite poy estiasthkan mesa apo to dialogo ta shmeia diafwnias, ws titloi, se poia zhthmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ejartatai. Ston KTE toy PASOK yphrje, gia paradeigma, plhrhs symfwnia. Apo alloys eginan parathrhseis. Apo orismenoys alloys yphrjan antirrhseis se sxesh me to qesmo toy basikoy metoxoy. Ola ayta ajiologoyntai kai bebaiws qa lhfqei ypoch olh ayth h diadikasia toy dialogoy, apo thn opoia epideiktika h N.D. htan apoysa, deixnontas gia mia akomh fora thn kenothta ths politikhs ths.

Ta symperasmata toy dialogoy qa ajiologhqoyn kai qa symperilhfqoyn sto teliko sxedio nomoy poy qa katateqei gia syzhthsh sth Boylh.

MIXAHL: Apo olo ayto to dialogo yphrje ena shmeio epafhs, oson afora to basiko metoxo; Kati poy akoyme gia 5%. Panw se ayto sas zhthsan na to allajete, na ginei megalytero, mikrotero h genikws ayto to 5% to qewroyn oi perissoteroi ws mia kalh bash syzhthshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epitrecte moy to qema ayto na to anaptyjw sth Boylh kai na mhn ajiologhsw twra thn kaqe epafh jexwrista, dioti den htan oles oi epafes taytoshmes. Se alles yphrxe plhrhs symfwnia, se alles yphrxan diafwnies. Den shmainei oti otan kaneis ena dialogo ypoxrewneis to synomilhth soy, o opoios kalopista proserxetai sto dialogo -kai qelw na to xairetisw ayto- kai antallassei apoceis me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy, na symfwnhsei. Epanalambanw oti ta symperasmata toy dialogoy qa ajiologhqoyn.

PITTARAS: Xqes, meta ta osa anefere o proedros ths INTRAKOM k. Kokkalhs sth syneleysh twn metoxwn, o k. Royssopoylos, me anakoinwsh toy, tonise oti oi isxyrismoi toy k. Kokkalh sympiptoyn apolytws me osa kata kairoys leei h kybernhsh Shmith - Laliwth. Qa hqela to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh oyte taytizetai me epixeirhmaties, oyte kynhgaei epixeirhmaties. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti einai prwtofanhs h spoydh toy ekproswpoy Typoy ths N.D. kai toy kommatos aytoy na apanthsoyn se epixeirhmatia. Nomizw oti kati tetoio den to exoyme janadei kai to afhnw sthn krish sas.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: H efhmerida HMERHSIA paroysiazei shmera mia ekqesh-sok, opws th xarakthrizei, toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy, symfwna me thn opoia proteinetai sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh syntajh sta 67 kai ish me to 40% twn apodoxwn. Yparxoyn kai alles poly sklhres protaseis, ek diametroy antiqetes, diaforetikes me ayta poy exoyn paroysiastei sto dialogo mexri twra gia to Asfalistiko. Qa hqela to sxolio sas kai pws protiqeste na ajiologhsete ayth thn protash toy DNT;

PRWTOPAPAS: Dikaiwma twn dieqnwn organismwn einai na kanoyn tis protaseis toys kai na exoyn tis apoceis toys. Opws kai einai anafaireto dikaiwma ths kybernhshs mas na kanei tis epiloges ths. H kybernhsh exei kanei thn epilogh na lysei to Asfalistiko, na proxwrhsei sthn asfalistikh metarryqmish, wste na exei biwsimothta kai dikaiosynh. Aytes oi dyo ennoies xarakthrizoyn th lysh poy epixeiroyme na dwsoyme sto Asfalistiko.

Me thn eykairia, qelw na tonisw oti gia mia akomh fora shmera koryfaia stelexh ths N.D., opws o epitimos proedros ths kai prwhn prwqypoyrgos k. Mhtsotakhs, epanhlqan me tis gnwstes aitiaseis toy kommatos toys, gyrw apo th lysh poy epixeirei na dwsei h kybernhsh sto Asfalistiko. Enoxlei th N.D. h dikaih kai biwsimh lysh poy h kybernhsh epixeirei na dwsei. Den to anexetai. Den mporei na to syneidhtopoihsei. Qelei alles lyseis. @H qelei na mh lyqei to Asfalistiko, gia na mporei na laikizei, h epiqymei epistrofh stis katadikasmenes kai antilaikes lyseis ths periodoy '90 -' 93. Ayto ofeilei na to dieykrinisei. Ti telika qelei; Na mhn proxwrhsei kaqoloy h metarryqmish h na pame stis gnwstes katadikasmenes apo ton idio ton ellhniko lao -kai eidika apo toys ergazomenoys kai toys syntajioyxoys- syntages toy k. Sioyfa kai twn allwn stelexwn ths N.D.;

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Pws protiqeste na jeperasete kapoia empodia, dedomenoy oti mesa apo ayth thn ekqesh ginetai safes oti ta periqwria steneyoyn poly gia mia biwsimh kai dikaih lysh, opws lete kai exete pei apo ayto to bhma para polles fores;

PRWTOPAPAS: H dikaih kai biwsimh lysh qa breqei mesa apo to dialogo poy kanei ayth th stigmh o k. Reppas me tis syndikalistikes organwseis. Enas dialogos poy qa exei tis dyskolies toy, qa perasei apo diafores faseis, qa proxwrhsei, omws, kai ekfrazoyme thn aisiodojia oti qa mporesei na odhghsei se synainetikes lyseis. Ayto epiqymoyme, ayth einai h qelhsh mas, ayth einai h prospaqeia mas: Dikaih kai biwsimh lysh toy Asfalistikoy. Na lysoyme to Asfalistiko ws prosfora sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, ws prosfora ston polith. Apo ekei kai pera, eipa oti oi dieqneis organismoi mporoyn kai aytoi na kanoyn tis protaseis toys. Ejalloy, kaneis den mporei na toys to apagoreysei. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti yioqetoyme aytes tis apoceis h oti h kybernhsh den exei tis dikes ths protaseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h N.D. den qelei biwsimh lysh toy Asfalistikoy. Omws kai h ADEDY einai antiqeth me aytes tis protaseis ths kybernhshs kai ejhggeile kai apergies. Kai aytoi kanoyn antipoliteysh sthn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti h N.D. kathgorei tis protaseis ths kybernhshs eite dioti den qelei na lyqei to Asfalistiko gia na mporei na laikizei, eite dioti qelei epistrofh, ayto deixnoyn oi perissoteroi toylaxiston, stis gnwstes kai katadikasmenes antilaikes syntages ths periodoy '90 - '93. Apo ekei kai pera, kata th diarkeia toy dialogoy, den shmainei oti emeis qa ypoxrewsoyme ton opoiondhpote forea na symfwnhsei me tis kybernhtikes protaseis. Dialogos ginetai, ekfrazontai apoceis, yparxoyn protaseis, yparxoyn kateyqynseis, analyontai stoixeia, ejetazontai antiprotaseis, ginontai dektes antiprotaseis. Ayto shmainei dialogos. Ayto shmainei enas pragmatikos dialogos poy sebesai to synomilhth soy. Sto dialogo kapoioi foreis qa symfwnhsoyn, kapoioi mporei na krathsoyn tis epifylajeis kai thn kritikh toys. Ola ayta einai qemita. Den qewroyme antipaloys toys syndikalistikoys foreis. Epidiwkoyme th synainesh kai th symfwnia mazi toys. Kai ayto qa apodeixqei kai apo th synexish toy dialogoy, o opoios den exei oloklhrwqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati exoyn to dikaiwma oi foreis kai den exoyn to dikaiwma ta kommata na antidroyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme to dikaiwma na xarakthrisoyme politika ton tropo antidrashs toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn ADEDY mporeite na th xarakthrisete gia thn antidrash ths;;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me thn ADEDY eimaste se dialogo ayth th stigmh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H ADEDY ejhggeile apergia gia tis arxes Aprilioy. To jerete h den to jerete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sth diarkeia enos dialogoy kapoies syndikalistikes organwseis ekfrazontai kai me kinhtopoihseis. Emeis, se antiqesh me alla kommata, jerete oti synomiloyme kai me apergoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me th N.D. den synomileite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me th N.D. synomiloyme otan proserxetai sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn. Apodeiknyetai omws -opws sthn periptwsh toy nomoy gia to asymbibasto- oti h N.D. arneitai to dialogo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to asymbibasto: Eseis ws plafon orizete to 5%;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth einai h protash mas, alla qelw na ypenqymisw oti pera apo to 5% yparxoyn kai alles diatajeis, symfwna me tis opoies akomh kai me ligotero toy 5%, efoson askeitai apo kapoion pragmatikh ejoysia h yparxei dynatothta oysiastikhs parembashs toy stis epixeirhseis, aytos qewreitai basikos metoxos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Kokkalhs xqes eipe ta idia logia, thn idia frash poy eipe kai o k. Laliwths gia th Mayo, ton Alafoyzo kai th N.D. Den einai politikh qesh ayth apo enan epixeirhmatia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei diejodika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei ejoysiodothqei apo to PASOK o k. Kokkalhs na milaei gia logariasmo toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Symfwnhsate sto proswpo ths ERT;

PRWTOPAPAS: Stis 3 h wra qa synelqei h epitroph ajiologhshs gia na syntajei to teliko praktiko ths, dioti zhthse symplhrwmatika stoixeia, qa mas dwsei tis apoceis ths kai sth synexeia qa synennohqw me ton k. Xristodoylakh kai arga to brady h to argotero mexri ayrio to meshmeri qa yparjei sxetikh anakoinwsh.

KOYIN: Xqes, h GENOP-DEH ejedwse mia anakoinwsh, me thn opoia zhta apo thn kybernhsh na dienerghsei plhrh ereyna kai na ejasfalisei thn asfaleia twn egkatastasewn ths, thn aproskopth leitoyrgia ths etaireias kai thn omalh trofodosia ths xwras, me aformh mia ekrhjh se pylwna metaforas hlektrikoy reymata konta sta ellhno-albanika synora. Mporeite na mas peite ti metra exei parei h kybernhsh; Ti ginetai me ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai allo to qema ths ereynas poy ginetai gia ta aitia ths ekrhjhs kai allo to genikotero qema ths asfaleias twn egkatastasewn. Gia to qema ths asfaleias twn egkatastasewn epaneilhmmena exoyn ginei elegxoi apo th DEH, h opoia einai ypeyqynh gia th leitoyrgia kai thn asfaleia twn egkatastasewn ths. Bebaiws, kai ta elegktika organa ths kybernhshs lambanoyn ola ta anagkaia metra. Apo kei kai pera, gia to eidiko qema dienergeitai eidikh ereyna.

MOYRTZHS: Meletatai h proteinetai h katarghsh toy foroy yper tritwn; Qa eklogikeytoyn oi dapanes sthn ERT; Giati, opws blepw se prosfata stoixeia poy hrqan sth dhmosiothta, einai yperogkes oi dapanes gia ejwterikes paragwges, gia misqoys k.t.l.

PRWTOPAPAS: H lejh ``yperogkes'' einai dikh sas. Den shmainei oti symfwnoyme oloi me ayto. Ean, omws, lete oti yparxei mia genikoterh kateyqynsh peristolhs twn dapanwn kai ejoikonomhshs porwn, sas apantw, eyqews, nai. Pantote mas endiaferei h peraiterw ejoikonomhsh porwn gia th beltiwsh toy pragmatikoy programmatos ths ERT.

MOYRTZHS: Sth synanthsh toy k. Karatza me ton Prwqypoyrgo, syzhthqhke kai qema ths ananewshs ths dioikhshs ths Eqnikhs Trapezas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, dioti ayto to qema qa apofasistei apo th Genikh Syneleysh twn metoxwn..

MOYRTZHS: Alla, ws basikos metoxos...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai basikos metoxos h kybernhsh....

MOYRTZHS: Einai epixeirhseis kratikoy endiaferontos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oyte ayto. O basikoteros metoxos einai ta asfalistika tameia. O Prwqypoyrgos exei kat` epanalhch anaferei oti qa prepei na afhsoyme tis epixeirhseis na leitoyrghsoyn mesa apo tis genikes toys syneleyseis. Kai ayto kanoyme. Shmera o Prwqypoyrgos kalese ton k. Karatza, ypo thn idiothta toy Proedroy ths Enwshs Ellhnikwn Trapezwn, bebaiws kai ws Dioikhth ths megalyterhs Trapezas ths xwras kai syzhthse tis ejelijeis gyrw apo to trapeziko systhma kai eidikotera to qema twn stoixeiwn poy apodeiknyoyn oti den yparxei, opws egrafh, daneismos kai yperxrewsh sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai sto ellhniko trapeziko systhma. O k. Karatzas paroysiase sxetika stoixeia, ta opoia exei dwsei sth dhmosiothta h Enwsh Ellhnikwn Trapezwn. Enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo gia tis ejelijeis sto ellhniko trapeziko systhma kai thn prosarmogh toy sta nea dedomena toy antagwnismoy. Otan erqei h wra na apofasistoyn ta ths Dioikhshs ths Eqnikhs Trapezas, h Genikh Syneleysh twn metoxwn einai ekeinh poy qa krinei.

MOYRTZHS: Qa anamenoyme poly akomh tis apofaseis toy ESR gia ta legomena ``thlepaixnidia'' h eyelpisteite sthn aytoryqmish twn idiokthtwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekana, xqes, safeis kai kathgorhmatikes topoqethseis kai proeidopoihseis. Apo kai kai pera, opws gnwrizete, yparxei prosdiorismenh, gia ayrio, synedriash toy ESR. Qa htan anepitrepto me to sebasmo poy exoyme se mia Anejarthth Arxh, eite na proanaggelloyme, eite na prodikazoyme tis apofaseis ths. Gnwrizw oti ta melh toy ESR kai o Proedros toy k. Lampridhs ejetazoyn kai parakoloyqoyn apo poly konta ayto to qema. Oso mas afora, sto men politiko meros exoyme safws topoqethqei @kai sas ypenqymizw th xqesinh moy topoqethsh- sto de meros ths parakoloyqhshs kai twn kyrwsewn, perimenoyme tis apofaseis toy ESR. Exw systhsei se ola ta Mesa na prosejoyn to qema ths aytoryqmishs, na kanoyn thn aytoryqmish toys. Na prosejoyn poly th dikh toys symperifora, sthn kateyqynsh ths poiothtas kai toy sebasmoy toy thleqeath. Nomizw oti einai to prwto toys kaqhkon.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, xqes sth Boylh ycwqhkan oi tonoi, toso ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oso kai ek meroys toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Exete kapoia sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati, ajizei na shmeiwsoyme kati: Xqes, o ellhnikos laos eixe thn eykairia na parakoloyqhsei to pragmatiko proswpo ths Dejias. To ``swpaste'' kai ws lejh, alla kai me ton tono poy eipwqhke, htan o kaqrefths ths alazoneias, toy aytarxismoy kai toy kaqestwtismoy ths N.D. kai toy arxhgoy ths. Ayto einai to pragmatiko proswpo ths N.D kai ayto hqela na shmeiwsw.

KARGOYDH: O Prwqypoyrgos, epishs, xrhsimopoihse ejairetika sklhroys xarakthrismoys. Anaferw endeiktika ton oro "patridokaphlia". Mporeite na moy to ejhghsete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhke se taktikes. Ekeino poy ajizei na shmeiwsoyme einai oti, xqes, o laos eixe thn eykairia na dei to pragmatiko proswpo ths Dejias. Dioti, kai h lejh kai o tonos -kai anaferomai sto "swpaste"- apotelesan ton kaqrepth ths alazoneias, toy aytarxismoy kai toy kaqestwtismoy ths N.D. kai toy arxhgoy ths.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Gnwrizete, ean shmera to prwi egine kai deyterh synanthsh anamesa ston k. Shmith kai ton k. Papadhmo kai an yparxoyn ejelijeis gia thn ypochfiothta toy k. Papadhmoy sthn proedria ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yphrje kamia tetoia programmatismenh synanthsh. Qelw, omws, na tonisw oti ontws h kybernhsh exei yposthrijei thn ypochfiothta toy k. Papadhmoy gia thn antiproedria ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas. Exoyn ginei oles oi anagkaies kinhseis.

KOYIN: Xqes to brady, o Kagkelarios Srenter milhse anoikta yper ths ypochfiothtas toy k. Papadhmoy. Pws to sxoliazete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na sxoliasw enan-enan toys hgetes ths E.E., dioti katalabainete oti qa mpainame se mia laqos troxia. Mas xaropoiei idiaitera mia tetoia kinhsh, alla den nomizw oti prepei na th sxoliasoyme. Ayto poy qelw na pw einai oti o k. Papadhmos einai enas poly kalos trapeziths. Exei dioikhsei, me idiaitera qetiko tropo, thn Trapeza ths Elladas. Exei symbalei shmantika sthn poreia toy eyrw kai thn eisagwgh toy sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Epishs, synebale stis allages toy trapezikoy systhmatos sthn Eyrwph kai einai ena poly gnwsto proswpo stoys eyrwpaikoys trapezikoys kykloys. H ellhnikh kybernhsh yposthrizei thn ypochfiothta toy k. Papadhmoy kai qelei na pisteyei, oti kai ta alla krath-melh ths E.E. -sto Symboylio EKOFIN, giati ayto einai to armodio organo poy qa krinei- qa apodexqoyn thn protash mas.

PITTARAS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se neoys elegxoys, meta tis nees apokalyceis, oson afora th noso twn trelwn ageladwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn, hdh, entatikopoihqei oi elegxoi apo thn prwth stigmh, meta apo th sxetikh plhroforia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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