Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-02-27

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27 Febroyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

ARGYROS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes o k. Kwnstantopoylos kateqese mia epikairh erwthsh pros ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw: Prwton, ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei thn Paraskeyh. Kai deyteron an h kybernhsh protiqetai na energopoihsei kai na anabaqmisei thn Epitroph toy arqroy 7 toy 2331/95 gia thn prolhch kai katastolh ths nomimopoihshs esodwn apo egklhmatikes energeies kai na zhthqei na anoixtoyn oi logariasmoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh qa apanthsei sthn erwthsh toy k. Ebert kai kata pasa piqanothta kai sthn erwthsh toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy. Den mporw na prokatalabw tis apanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos prosfatws, sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, alla kai alloy afhse ypainigmoys h ekane kai eyqeies kataggelies gia drasthriothta diaforwn symferontwn poy aposkopei sto moirasma ths pitas toy G@ KPS. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh skeftetai na yioqethsei protash poy exei diatypwqei apo komma ths antipoliteyshs gia ena diakommatiko elegxo sto xeirismo twn koinotikwn kondyliwn, etsi wste na mhn prosferetai ayto to qema gia kommatikh antidikia kai na yparxoyn ta exeggya mias kalyterhs diaxeirishs toy Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei ena oloklhrwmeno plaisio diaxeirishs kai elegxoy toy G@ KPS, to opoio -opws exw anaferei se prohgoymenes synanthseis mas- einai idiaitera apotelesmatiko toso sto qema ths diafaneias, toy elegxoy, ths parakoloyqhshs ths swsths xrhshs, oso kai ths apotelesmatikothtas twn porwn. Einai ena plaisio, to opoio epejergasthkame, qesmoqethsame kai hdh isxyei gia toys poroys toy G@ KPS. Efarmozetai gia prwth fora sthn Ellada, einai plhres kai bebaiws perifroyrei plhrws ta symferonta toy laoy kai toy Dhmosioy. Kai ayto giati perilambanei oloklhrwmenes diadikasies gia anaqesh programmatwn, elegxoy kai parakoloyqhshs, kaqws kai oloklhrwmenes diadikasies gia th metrhsh ths apotelesmatikothtas twn energeiwn. Epomenws, yparxei ena plhres kai diafanes plaisio -gia to opoio exei enhmerwqei to Koinoboylio- poy diasfalizei thn prooptikh anaptyjhs ths xwras, tis prooptikes ths apasxolhshs. Ekeino poy qelw na diabebaiwsw einai oti mono me ayto to plaisio qa proxwrhsoyme. O opoiosdhpote qelei na ajiopoihsei poroys toy G@ KPS prepei na symmetexei stoys diagwnismoys, oi opoioi qa prokhryssontai kai na apodeiknyei oti einai o kalyteros kai o apotelesmatikoteros, symfwna me tis diadikasies ths prokhryjhs kai me kamia allh prooptikh symmetoxhs. Mono me tis diadikasies poy problepontai, se sxesh me thn prosfora kai bebaiws me apodoxh toy anadoxoy.

FILHS: Sxetika me tis xqesines ejaggelies toy k. Xristodoylakh gia th dynatothta mesw forologikwn kinhtrwn na ajiopoioyn ta apoqematika twn Tameiwn idiwtikes asfalistikes etaireies, yparxei mia antidrash ths GSEE. Tetoia zhthmata den aptontai kai toy asfalistikoy, to opoio ekkremei kai yparxei anoikto to qema toy dialogoy poy qa arxisei se liges hmeres; Giati prokatalambanei to dialogo gi` ayta ta qemata h kybernhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi ejaggelies aytes toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakh eginan se ena synedrio, to opoio -opws gnwrizete- epejergazotan qemata poy aptontai kai ths prooptikhs toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti gia thn kybernhsh o dialogos poy exoyme proanaggeilei qa afora thn koinwnikh asfalish kai to mellon ths. Bebaiws, opws gnwrizete, yparxei kai idiwtikh asfalish, sthn Eyrwph kai thn Ellada, h opoia leitoyrgei symplhrwmatika. Emas mas endiaferei -kai ekei strefoyme to dialogo- h koinwnikh asfalish, h diasfalish toy mellontos ths, h anabaqmish ths, h prosfora kalyterwn kai poiotikoterwn yphresiwn ston ergazomeno polith kai to syntajioyxo. Einai logiko, kata th diarkeia toy dialogoy, na katatiqentai protaseis, apoceis kai idees. Einai safes oti qa syzhthqoyn kai qa lhfqoyn ypoch oi opoies aitiaseis h protaseis twn syndikalistikwn organwsewn. Ara, prepei na antilhfqoyme tis sxetikes anafores ws shmeio gyrw apo to opoio jekinhse enas problhmatismos poy bebaiws qa entaxqei sto dialogo gia to asfalistiko. Pera apo ayta sto sxedio nomoy gia thn "epixeirhmatikothta" entassontai qemata poy aforoyn mono tis diadikasies proslhchs symboylwn diaxeirishs gia ta apoqematika twn Asfalistikwn Tameiwn.

FILHS: Dhladh, ta osa eipe o k. Xristodoylakhs gia thn idiwtikh asfalish einai aples protaseis kai skeceis h einai kybernhtikh politikh gia to qema poy anefere;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai ena plaisio, to opoio antikeimenika entassetai sto dialogo gia to asfalistiko.

FILHS: Qelw na eimai safhs, gi` ayto rwtw. Xqes, o k. Xristodoylakhs den eipe oti exei tis ejhs idees h skeptetai h kybernhsh. Eipe oti sto forologiko nomosxedio poy etoimazetai, qa yparxei ayth h diatajh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, kai to forologiko nomosxedio, opws gnwrizete, qa apotelesei antikeimeno dialogoy poy qa afora th synexeia ths forologikhs metarryqmishs. Den einai mia apofash poy qewreitai dedomenh, prokeimenoy ayrio na katateqei sth Boylh kai na chfistei. Einai ena plaisio dialogoy kai gia th forologikh metarryqmish. Arxizoyme mia poreia dialogoy gia na yparjoyn dyo megales metarryqmiseis, dyo megales allages: H mia afora to asfalistiko, h deyterh afora to forologiko. Sto forologiko, hdh, exoyn ginei ta prwta bhmata ston persino kratiko proypologismo. Phgainoyme twra sth deyterh fash kai sth syndesh toy forologikoy systhmatos kai me thn anaptyjh, thn apasxolhsh, alla kai ta bhmata poy prepei na ginoyn sthn kateyqynsh ths forologikhs dikaiosynhs. Ara, loipon, exoyme ena dialogo gia to forologiko kai ena dialogo me prooptikh metarryqmishs, bebaiws kai ekei, gia to asfalistiko. Oles aytes oi apoceis, oi idees, ta plaisia, qa katateqoyn stis dyo aytes diadikasies.

FILHS: Problhmatizetai h kybernhsh apo ta apotelesmata stis ekloges twn dikhgorikwn syllogwn, opoy gia prwth fora den yparxei ypochfios poy na yposthrizetai apo tis dynameis toy kybernwntos kommatos sto deytero gyro twn eklogwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, den prepei emeis, ws kybernhsh, na krinoyme, me opoiodhpote tropo, apotelesmata poy exoyn sxesh. me tis ekloges epaggelmatikwn organwsewn. Qa synergastoyme me opoion eklejoyn oi dikhgoroi -ayto einai poly safes- me apolyto sebasmo. Giati, einai ejisoy safes oti o Dikhgorikos Syllogos diadramatizei ena poly shmantiko rolo kai gia thn olh leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs kai ara, to armodio ypoyrgeio xreiazetai mia stenh synergasia me to Dikhgoriko Syllogo, toso gia ton eksygxronismo kai th swsth aponomh ths Dikaiosynhs, oso bebaiws kai gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn twn dikhgorwn. Den mporei, loipon, h kybernhsh na anameixqei stis ekloges, oyte na ekfrasei protimhseis, oyte na rijei baros yper kapoioy ypochfioy, opoios ki an einai aytos. Emeis eyxhqhkame se oloys kala apotelesmata. Perimenoyme ta telika apotelesmata. Oso pio mazikes einai oi ekloges, toso pio enisxymenoi einai oi qesmoi. Mas endiaferei na einai enisxymenoi oi qesmoi. Opoio ki an einai to apotelesma, emeis qa synergastoyme me to neo proedro kai th nea dioikhsh. Ayto einai to "pisteyw" mas. Na kratame anoiktoys toys diayloys epikoinwnias me ta koinwnika kinhmata, gia na mporoyme na lynoyme ta problhmata, na antimetwpizoyme ta problhmata ths koinwnias.

Einai safes, bebaiws, oti se ola ayta ta koinwnika kinhmata, oi ekloges poy dienergoyntai exoyn na kanoyn me tis epiloges ths sygkekrimenhs koinwnikhs h epaggelmatikhs omadas. Exoyn sxesh me tis epiloges poy kaqorizei to idio to kinhma kai oxi emeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ejeleipan oi logoi ths politikhs ektrophs h synexizoyn na yparxoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa hqela na sas parakalesw na janadiabasete thn politikh enhmerwsh ths Deyteras kai ths Triths kai eimai sigoyros oti tis apanthseis qa tis breite ekei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Shmera einai Tetarth kai rwtw: Ejeleipan oi logoi ths politikhs ektrophs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sta keimena ths Deyteras kai ths Triths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos pisteyei akomh oti yparxoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sta keimena ths Deyteras kai ths Triths.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Alhqeyei h plhroforia oti o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse thn paraithsh toy k. Pasxalidh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ejakoloyqei na exei thn empistosynh ths kybernhshs, toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o k. Pasxalidhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. Opws gnwrizete symmeteixe energa kai sto klimakio...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kala. Ayto einai mia typikh diadikasia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai mia diadikasia. Yphrxe energh symmetoxh toy kai sto klimakio poy egine thn Paraskeyh kai to Sabbato sthn Pella kai thn Hmaqia. O k. Pasxalidhs exei thn plhrh empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai den yparxei kanena qema.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai meta tis xqesines dhlwseis toy sto Londino, epishs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi xqesines dhlwseis sto Londino, htan proswpikes dhlwseis toy k. Pasxalidh, panw se ena qema poy ton aforoyse proswpika. Pera apo tis dhlwseis poy exoyme kanei emeis, ws kybernhsh, gia thn kalych toy stelexoys mas -kai aytes einai dedomenes kai isxyoyn- einai logiko o k. Pasxalidhs, ws politiko stelexos kai ws boyleyths, alla kai ws proswpikothta, ws atomo, na qelei na yperaspistei ton eayto toy apo tis epiqeseis poy dexetai. Einai apolytws logiko.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O prwhn ypoyrgos kai boyleyths toy PASOK, k. Pagkalos, se dhlwseis poy ekane xqes stis Bryjelles, problepei anasxhmatismo ths kybernhshs. Malista, qewrei -symfwna me tis dhlwseis toy- oti ayto qa bohqhsei sthn ektonwsh ths katastashs. Yparxei tetoio endexomeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei endexomeno anasxhmatismoy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den milaei gia ameso, milaei gia meta to Pasxa .

PRWTOPAPAS: Hmoyn safhs. Den yparxei kanena endexomeno anasxhmatismoy.

FILHS: Shmera yparxei mia syskech poy afora thn proetoimasia ths kybernhshs gia th Synodo Koryfhs ths Barkelwnhs, opoy ekei qa syzhthqoyn qemata poy aforoyn th synexish twn apofasewn ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Lissabonas. O diorisqeis, ws ekproswpos ths Elladas sth Diakybernhtikh Syneleysh, gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs, o Eyrwboyleyths k. Kathforhs me ejairetikh safhneia exei pei oti oi apofaseis ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Lissabonas einai neofileleyqeres apofaseis poy odhgoyn se adiejodo thn eyrwpaikh oikonomia kai oti prepei na stamathsei ayth h politikh poy ekporeyetai apo th Lissabona. Qa hqela na gnwrizw poia akribws qa einai h politikh poy qa metaferei o k. Kathforhs gia ta qemata ayta sth Syneleysh kai poies qa einai oi qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Barkelwnhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na broyme isws to keimeno twn dhlwsewn toy k. Kathforh, giati fobamai oti ginetai parejhghsh.

FILHS: Osa eipa mporeite na ta balete se eisagwgika. Akribws etsi ta leei.

PRWTOPAPAS: En pash periptwsei, prepei na doyme jana tis dhlwseis toy k. Kathforh, giati ektimw oti exei ginei kapoia parejhghsh se ayta poy eipate. Ean, omws qelete na sas pw thn kybernhtikh qesh gia th Synodo Koryfhs ths Lissabonas, ta porismata ths opoias -opws gnwrizete- exoyme chfisei, einai oti kaname ena shmantiko bhma. Oxi me thn ennoia oti elyse ola ta problhmata, alla anoije shmantikoys dromoys gia to neo eyrwpaiko koinwniko protypo kai gia mia Eyrwph, poy qa exei koines politikes se ola ta qemata poy sxetizontai me tis anagkes twn politwn ths kai eidika ta qemata koinwnikhs prostasias. Einai idiaitera shmantikes oi apofaseis ths Lissabonas. Nomizw oti to kyrio problhma poy antimetwpizoyme ayth th stigmh, einai na yparxei parapera energopoihsh kai prowqhsh toy pneymatos aytwn twn apofasewn. Ayto einai to pragmatiko problhma ayth th stigmh. Pws, dhladh, qa prowqhsoyme akoma pio apotelesmatika aytes tis kateyqynseis.

KWNSTANTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia to shmerino prwtoselido ths efhmeridas ``XWRA'', sxetika me th 17 Noembrh, ta deka onomata kai tis pieseis twn Amerikanwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia ola ayta exoyme topoqethqei. Yparxoyn sxetikes dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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