Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-02-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Febroyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

PITTARAS: O Prwqypoyrgos shmera synanthqhke me ton ekdoth k. Giwrgo Koyrh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Opws sas exw proanaggeilei qa yparjei enas eyrys kyklos synanthsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ekdotes kai alloys epixeirhmaties. Ginetai mia genikh syzhthsh epi olwn -qa elega- twn qematwn, mia antallagh apocewn metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn epixeirhmatiwn h ekdotwn me toys opoioys synantatai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia poio qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Genikh antallagh apocewn.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Pasxalidhs synexizei na exei thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, meta kai tis apokalyceis poy erxontai sto fws apo kataggelies oti, toylaxiston, anexotan kyklwmata paranomoy tzogoy, an den ta gnwrize;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei apo xqes. O k. Pasxalidhs einai ypoyrgos synexizei epomenws na exei thn empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kai bebaiws, qa einai kai sto kybernhtiko klimakio poy qa episkefqei thn Paraskeyh kai to Sabbato toys nomoys Hmaqias kai Pellas.

MIXAHL: Xqes, otan rwthqhkate an protiqetai h kybernhsh na ejetasei to endexomeno genikhs apagoreyshs kai na kleisei, me liga logia, ola ayta ta magazia toy paranomoy tzogoy. Pote qa eiste etoimoi na kanete tetoies ejaggelies kai an ayto einai ena endexomeno poy syzhtate peran twn allwn metrwn poy eixate ejaggeilei se mia syskech peripoy prin apo 10 hmeres;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na prokaqorisw tis apofaseis twn kybernhtikwn organwn. Sas lew, omws, oti h olh prospaqeia kineitai pros thn kateyqynsh aysthropoihshs olwn twn diadikasiwn twn apofasistikwn elegxwn kai ths epibolhs poinwn se kaqe parabath. Qa prostateysoyme apolyta thn koinwnia apo kaqe prospaqeia paranomwn paigniwn.

MIXAHL: Sas rwthsa gia enan poly aplo logo, dioti xqes, me dikh toy prwtoboylia, o Dhmarxos Iwanninwn phre ayth thn apofash se epipedo topikhs aytodioikhshs. Kai h apofash ayth, ws politikh apofash toy Dhmoy, krinetai, epikrinetai, epidokimazetai, apodokimazetai, opws to blepei o kaqenas. Yparxei, omws, kai mia typikh oysia poy sas afora ws kybernhsh: oti ayto poy ekane o Dhmarxos einai paranomo. Giati, eseis prepei na nomoqethsete gia na mporei o Dhmarxos h opoiosdhpote allos foreas ejoysias na kleinei h na mh xorhgei tetoies adeies. Giati shmera o Dhmarxos eipe se dhlwseis toy oti "egw ekana kati to opoio, pragmati, einai ektos nomoy. Den mporw na to kanw, alla to ekana giati yphrxe koinwnikh aganakthsh".

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas tonisw oti ta pragmata den einai opws ta lete. Kai me thn yparxoysa nomoqesia, h opoia proanhggeila oti qa aysthropoihqei idiaitera -kai to tonizw ayto- yparxoyn oles oi dynatothtes gia kapoion poy qelei na elegjei ton paranomo tzogo, na to kanei. Bebaiws, mporei na eimaste poly pio aysthroi kai mporei na exoyme mia apolytws safh nomoqesia gyrw apo thn apagoreysh twn tyxerwn paixnidiwn. Omws, kai me tis shmerines dynatothtes kai thn yparxoysa nomoqesia gia kapoion poy qelei na khryjei ton polemo h na diwjei ton paranomo tzogo yparxoyn oi dynatothtes. Me ayth thn ennoia, h energeia toy Dhmarxoy Iwanninwn einai safws qetikh kai edw anadeiknyetai kai kati allo: Oti olh ayth h istoria me ta paranoma paixnidia htan katw apo thn anoxh orismenwn dhmotikwn arxontwn. Kai qelw na ypenqymisw, gia ekeinoys poy biazontai na kathgorhsoyn to PASOK, oti oloi aytoi oi dhmotikoi arxontes anhkan -toylaxiston oi dyo teleytaies periptwseis Giannitswn kai Patrwn- sth Nea Dhmokratia. Aytoi poy biazontai na kathgorhsoyn to PASOK gia emplokh se tetoia zhthmata qa prepei na skeftoyn oti aytoi poy eixan th dynatothta na dinoyn h na aposyroyn tis adeies eixan eklegei katw apo th shmaia alloy kommatos. Epitrecte moy na to tonisw ayto. Den einai oloi idioi kai den leme oti ftaiei enas organwmenos politikos sxhmatismos. Pros Qeoy! Se antiqesh me th qetikh energeia toy Dhmarxoy Iwanninwn poy htan se teleiws diaforetikh kateyqynsh.

MIXAHL: Epeidh, omws, qetete etsi thn apanthsh sas sto erwthma, den mporw na mh sas rwthsw: Entajei oi sygkekrimenoi dhmarxoi poy mporei na anhkan sto xwro ths N.D. den ekanan o,ti ekane o synadelfos toys sta Giannena, thn idia wra omws emplekontai kai ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Edw kai merikes hmeres parakoloyqoyme ena senario -yparxoyn kai oi sxetikes dhlwseis toy ekproswpoy ths N.D.- poy prospaqoyn na emplejoyn thn kybernhsh. Einai safes oti den yparxei emplokh ths kybernhshs se ayta ta zhthmata. Bebaiws, yparxei mia arnhtikh katastash poy asfalws prepei na diorqwqei me thn kinhtopoihsh olwn mas -kai otan lew olwn mas, ennow olwn mas- anejarthtws politikwn kommatwn, anejarthtws poy anhkoyme. Ofeiloyme na synergastoyme kai na paremboyme akomh pio apotelesmatika -kai to tonizw ayto- kai me prosqeta metra gia na katapolemhsoyme ayth th mastiga. Oydeis exei antirrhsh na synergastei me opoiondhpote h na kataqesei o opoiosdhpote th symbolh toy, wste na ginoyme akomh pio apotelesmatikoi. Ekeino poy tonisa einai oti den ftaiei kapoio politiko komma. Oydepote eipa kati tetoio kai den ennow ayto. Tonisa, omws, oti einai laqos kaqe prospaqeia na syndeqei ayth h istoria me to komma sto opoio anhkoyme. Oti ayto einai laqos kai oti tetoies energeies einai ek toy ponhroy, fainetai kai apo thn anafora poy ekana.

TAKIS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Ebert, prin apo ligh wra, sth Boylh zhthse thn paraithsh toy k. Pasxalidh, opws eipe, kai gia to diko toy kalo. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na mas epitrecei o k. Ebert na frontizoyme emeis gia to kalo twn stelexwn mas, giati to gnwrizoyme kalytera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, einai alhqeia oti o Prwqypoyrgos thn Pempth qa anakoinwsei ayta ta metra gia ta "froytakia";

PRWTOPAPAS: To taxytero dynato. Piqano na ginei thn Pempth. Ayth th stigmh ginetai h proetoimasia me taxeis ryqmoys sthn kateyqynsh ths idiaiterhs aysthropoihshs kai apotelesmatikothtas stis diadikasies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti aytoi oi dhmarxoi anhkoyn sth N.D.. Dhladh, aytoi to ekanan epithdes gia na ekqesoyn thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Prospaqhsa na pw se kapoioys poy biazontai kai prospaqoyn na emplejoyn to PASOK kai ta stelexh toy oti polloi oi opoioi emmesws h amesws eneplakhsan sto zhthma ayto htan stelexh alloy kommatos. Egw den kathgorhsa to komma ths N.D.. Xreiazomaste th symbolh olwn twn kommatwn kai olwn twn forewn, prokeimenoy na katapolemhsoyme ayth th mastiga. Alla, epeidh emfanisthkan fainomena kai apo stelexh ths N.D., alla kai apo orismenoys sxoliastes kai dhmosiografoys na prospaqoyn monopleyra na dhmioyrghsoyn qema, ekrina skopimo na ypenqymisw orismena pragmata poy einai aparaithta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, k. Ypoyrge, exoyn emplakei ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs. Gi` ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyn emplakei ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den eidate th fwtografia, pws kaqetai o k. Tekteridhs mprosta ston ypoyrgo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa kanoyme shmeiologikh anafora sto pws kaqetai o kaqenas. An eseis kaqeste kai kanete shmeiologikh anafora sto pws kaqetai o kaqe dieyqynths efhmeridas, anamfibola einai dikaiwma sas. Ekeino, omws, poy exw na pw einai oti den yparxei se tipota apodeijh emplokhs ypoyrgoy se qemata paranomoy tzogoy kai ayto einai poly safes. Qa prepei na prosexoyme otan ektojeyoyme genikologes anafores. Apo thn allh pleyra, yparxei safhs adraneia mias seiras dhmotikwn arxontwn thn opoia epishmana- se antiqesh me thn idiaitera qetikh kinhsh poy ekane o dhmarxos Iwanninwn. Yparxoyn, loipon, mia seira zhthmata sta opoia prepei na eimaste idiaitera prosektikoi. Den mporei, me ayqairetoys isxyrismoys h me shmeiologia, na prospaqoyme na dhmioyrgoyme katastaseis ek toy mh ontws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy epairne tis epidothseis o k. Tekteridhs; Apo to dhmarxo tis epairne tis epidothseis ths E.E.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na rwthsete kai na maqete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se allo qema. Exete kapoia epistolh toy k. Nektarioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. Exw mia epistolh toy k. Nektarioy poy exei koinopoihqei sto ESR, sto Elegktiko Synedrio kai ston ypoyrgo Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti zhta o k. Nektarios apo esas; Qa mas th dwsete ayth thn epistolh, qa th dwsete sth dhmosiothta;

PRWTOPAPAS: H epistolh -malista, thn eida se kapoia efhmerida- exei enan apodekth, apeyqynetai s` emena kai koinopoieitai se alloys treis, opws sas proanefera. Einai safes oti parelhfqh apo tesseris foreis kai oxi kat` anagkh apo tessera fysika proswpa. Dioti, otan apeyqynetai se qesmika organa, thn exoyn ola ta armodia melh toy sygkekrimenoy qesmikoy organoy.

O k. Nektarios, me thn epistolh toy, zhta -an ayto me rwtate- na lysoyme to problhma poy exei dhmioyrghqei apo thn arnhsh toy ESR na xorhghsei pistopoihtiko -apo ta pistopoihtika poy problepei o nomos- gia na mporesei na proxwrhsei h symbash poy exei apofasistei mesa apo tis diadikasies poy problepei o nomos, metajy toy IKA kai ths etairias INTRASOFT gia th mhxanografhsh toy organismoy. Apo thn ejetash poy ekana, to ESR exei energhsei nomimws. Epomenws, den mporw, se ayth th fash, na bohqhsw ton k. Nektario.

GKROMAN: Xqes, eipate oti h kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei me ena programma ejygianshs ths O.A. Shmera, bgainei h E.E. kai dhlwnei oti diereyna ton tropo me ton opoio eginan oi epidothseis kai oi oikonomikes bohqeies sthn O.A. , thn teleytaia 10etia. Poy odeyei to qema ths O.A., dioti ayto to neo stoixeio poy hrqe shmera sth dhmosiothta, prosqetei prosqeta problhmata sthn olh diadikasia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa synistoysa na perimenoyme th shmerinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys armodioys ypoyrgoys Metaforwn Xr. Berelh kai Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakh, alla kai thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph poy synedriazei thn Pempth. Sth synexeia qa exoyme thn eykairia na syzhthsoyme analytika gia to neo programma ejygianshs ths O.A., to opoio, opws apo xqes exw tonisei, syndeetai arrhkta me thn idiwtikopoihsh ths kai bebaiws, th diaswsh ths.

MOYRTZHS: Eipate prohgoymenws, se sxesh me ta froytakia, gia safh adraneia twn dhmotikwn arxontwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, olwn. Den toys bazw oloys mazi.

MOYRTZHS: Twn dyo. Omws, thn eisagwgh aytwn twn mhxanhmatwn, opws kai ton elegktiko mhxanismo gia th metatroph toys apo texnika paixnidia se tyxera, thn exei to SDOE. Ti apantate se ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti ta perissotera apo ayta ta mhxanhmata, empainan me allo proorismo kai allo pistopoihtiko, ws paixnidia texnika kai sth synexeia, me tis gnwstes parembaseis metatrepontai -nomizw oti ayto gnwrizete pws ginetai, egw den to gnwrizw-

MOYRTZHS: To gnwrize h kybernhsh ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den to gnwrize h kybernhsh. H kybernhsh gnwrizei oti ginetai, oxi poy ginetai kai poios to kanei. Exei diafora to ena apo to allo, gia na mhn yparxoyn metajy mas parejhghseis. Allo einai na gnwrizeis th texnikh dynatothta mias parembashs kai allo na jereis poios thn kanei. Bebaiws, to SDOE exei kanei polloys elegxoys. Qelw, omws, na qymisw oti yphrxan kai polla katasthmata ta opoia den eixan adeies gia tetoia paixnidia. Kai tis adeies den tis dinoyme emeis. Den htan omoies pantoy oi periptwseis. Opws yparxoyn para polloi dhmarxoi -kai nomizw oti einai h pleiochfia- oi opoioi exoyn energhsei kalws, yparxoyn orismenoi poy exoyn xarakthristei apo adraneia se tetoies kinhseis. Qelw na tonisw oti polla apo ayta ta mhxanhmata egkaqistantai kai se xwroys opoy den yparxoyn adeies. Kai bebaiws, to SDOE kanei th doyleia toy, alla mhn perimenoyme mono apo to SDOE na prospaqhsei na elegjei olh thn Ellada, se ena fainomeno poy eixe pragmatika parei poly megales diastaseis. Yparxoyn kai adeies poy dinontai kai adeies poy prepei na elegxontai.

En pash periptwsei, to qema den einai na prospaqoyme na moirasoyme tis eyqynes. To qema einai na mhn kanoyme to laqos na prospaqoyme na strecoyme ta belh mas kai na ekmetalleytoyme kai na dhmioyrgoyme tis synqhkes mikrokommatikoy ofeloys, alla na katalaboyme oti yparxei ena genikotero qema sto opoio prepei na synergastoyme gia na to antimetwpisoyme. Ayto einai to mhnyma poy ekpempoyme.

SOYGLERHS: Exw th gnwmh oti th ligoterh eyqynh thn exoyn oi Dhmoi, giati h eyqynh twn Dhmwn arxise to 1999. Ta tyxera paixnidia sthn Ellada, o paranomos tzogos exei mia 15etia-20etia sth xwra mas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den epixeirhsa na metaqesw tis eyqynes. Aplws ,anefera oti einai laqos ayto to opoio kanoyn orismenoi, na prospaqoyn na syndesoyn to komma mas kai thn kybernhsh mas me mia ennoia gia thn opoia den mporei kai se tipota den yparxei syndesh. Kai se ayto exw anaferqei kat` epanalhch. Ayto eipa kai twra.

BATIKIWTHS: Epishmes kybernhtikes phges apo th Germania, thn Ispania kai th Gallia exoyn ekfrasei thn entonh dysforia toys gia tis proteraiothtes ths amerikanikhs ejwterikhs politikhs, opws eixan anakoinwqei me ``ton ajona toy kakoy'' apo ton Proedro Mpoys. H ellhnikh kybernhsh symmerizetai aytes tis anhsyxies twn eyrwpaiwn etairwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: To antiqeto. Bebaiws, den symmerizomai toys xarakthrismoys sas kai den pisteyw oti toys symmerizetai kanenas apo aytoys poy anaferate. Apo kei kai pera, ean me rwtate epi ths oysias, ean dhladh h ellhnikh kybernhsh symmerizetai orismenes anhsyxies eyrwpaikwn kybernhsewn gia thn epektash toy polemoy, sas apantw eyqews, bebaiws. Kai emeis den epiqymoyme epektash toy polemoy. Xreiazetai prosoxh, apaiteitai prosektikh syzhthsh kai periskech gia kaqe energeia gyrw apo tetoia zhthmata. Safws, eimaste anafandon yper ths katapolemhshs ths tromokratias kai twn tromokratikwn organwsewn. Ayto, omws, prepei na ginei me idiaiterh prosoxh, periskech kai eyqynh, prokeimenoy na mhn thn plhrwnoyn amaxoi.

BATIKIWTHS: Na perimenoyme, dhladh, sthn periptwsh poy zhthqei h bohqeia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs apo thn amerikanikh kybernhsh, se periptwsh epektashs toy polemoy, sto Irak gia paradeigma, oti den qa prosferei bohqeia h ellhnikh kybernhsh, opws ekane kai me thn periptwsh toy Afganistan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat arxas, h paroysia ths ellhnikhs dynamhs -opws jerete einai oligariqmh- sto Afganistan exei kaqara anqrwpistiko xarakthra. Exoyme steilei ena loxo mhxanikoy, o opoios merimna gia th dhmioyrgia ypodomwn sthn prwteyoysa Kampoyl. Qa steiloyme kai ena kinhto nosokomeio, to opoio qa parasxei iatrikh kai farmakeytikh periqalch se osoys thn exoyn anagkh. Den eimaste dynamh epembashs. Exoyme analabei kapoies ypoxrewseis poy exoyn sxesh me tis synqhkes epibolhs tajhs kai omalothtas sthn perioxh, alla, kyriws me thn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias ston plhqysmo. Me aytes tis proypoqeseis kai tis kateyqynseis metexoyme kai sth dieqnh dynamh, h opoia exei apostalei sto Afganistan. Prokeitai gia dynamh asfaleias kai synergasias. Pros to paron den exei anoijei syzhthsh gia epektash toy polemoy. Ekfrasame toys problhmatismoys mas, tonisame oti se genikes grammes den eimaste me thn apoch gia epektash twn polemikwn epixeirhsewn. Bebaiws, kaqe tetoia apofash qa prepei na ejetastei kata periptwsh kai symfwna me th genikoterh epidiwjh gia thn katapolemhsh ths tromokratias. Alla, epanalambanw oti ola ayta prepei na ginoyn me prosoxh, problhmatismo kai eyqynh, dioti afenos prepei na katapolemhsoyme thn tromokratia, alla afeteroy qa prepei na sebomaste kai na prostateyoyme toys amaxoys.

KOTARIDHS: Yparxoyn shmerina dhmosieymata poy feroyn thn ellhnikh kybernhsh etoimh na agorazei tria ypersygxrona aeroskafh ta opoia, ap o,ti diabasame, kostizoyn arketa dis draxmes. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apofaseis poy aforoyn toys ejoplismoys, gnwrizete oti qa syzhthqoyn sto armodio organo, to KYSEA. Kamia allh apofash den yparxei. To KYSEA qa synedriasei se syntomo xroniko diasthma kai qa ejetasei th genikoterh poreia twn ejoplistikwn programmatwn. Tis apofaseis toy KYSEA kaneis den mporei na tis prokaqorisei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes sas rwthsa gia thn O.A. kai moy apanthsate oti den prokeitai na apolyqei kanenas. O k. Berelhs, omws, eipe oti qa meiwqei to proswpiko. Ti isxyei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn tropoi meiwshs toy proswpikoy, xwris na ginoyn apolyseis. Exei ginei kai sto parelqon ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eqeloysia ejodos, dhladh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn polles periptwseis poy me katallhla programmata mporei na odhghsoyn se meiwsh toy kostoys leitoyrgias mias epixeirhshs, xwris na ginoyn apolyseis proswpikoy. Tetoia programmata -opws gnwrizw apo thn prohgoymenh idiothta moy ws yfypoyrgos Ergasias- eixame epejergastei sto ypoyrgeio Ergasias polles fores kai malista me th symfwnh gnwmh twn swmateiwn twn ergazomenwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Patriarxhs Ierosolymwn den exei anagnwristei akomh apo to Israhl. H ellhnikh kybernhsh ti kanei gi ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa epikoinwnhsw me ton armodio yfypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai qa sas apanthsw. Einai ena qema poy mas apasxolei.

SOYGLERHS: Eimaste poly konta sthn hmeromhnia poy qa mas anakoinwsete to onoma toy neoy Proedroy ths ERT, kai ean mporoyme na maqoyme to onomata twn ypochfiwn proedrwn symfwna me tis aithseis poy exoyn ypoblhqei mexri shmera;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti mexri thn 4h Martioy mporei kaqe endiaferomenos na kataqesei aithsh ypochfiothtas. Etsi h sxetikh anakoinwsh qa ginei meta thn ekpnoh ayths ths hmeromhnias. Tote, o ypoyrgos Typoy kai MME, mazi me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa kanoyn th sxetikh epilogh. O ypochfios, o opoios qa prokriqei, qa protaqei sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, afoy yparjei kai sxetikh gnwmodothsh toy ESR. Kai sthn periptwsh poy egkrinei h Boylh th gnwmodothsh toy ESR, tote qa ginei o diorismos. Elpizoyme mesa sto Martio.

GARGALAKOS: Shmera yparxei synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Grammatea toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth. Mhpws, gnwrizete ean syzhthqei h protash toy k. Laliwth sxetika me th symmaxia toy kybernwntos kommatos me ta kommata ths Aristeras;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto to qema exei, hdh, syzhthqei. Yparxei synexhs synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Grammatea ths K.E.

GARGALAKOS: Mhpws qa ejeidikeyqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: H synanthsh poy ginetai shmera eixe proanaggelqei kai programmatistei gia xqes, alla den pragmatopoihqhke giati dihrkese arketa h syskech gia to qema twn ektaktwn kai prosdioristhke me thlefwnikh epikoinwnia na ginei shmera. Einai taktikh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Grammatea toy kommatos. Paromoies synanthseis qa ginontai kaqe ebdomada.

Sas eyxaristw.

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