Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-02-15

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Febroyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Sth xqesinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, opoy syzhthqhke to qema toy antikeimenoy poy eseis eishghqhkate, yphrjan diajifismoi metajy toy k. Shmith kai toy k. Benizeloy, me aformh tis parathrhseis kai thn enhmerwsh poy ekane o k. Xristodoylakhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se kaqe syzhthsh yparxoyn apoceis, oi opoies ekfrazontai me epixeirhmata kai me tropo poy o kaqenas qewrei oti tis yperaspizetai to kalytero dynato. Xqes, egine mia ploysia kai shmantikh syzhthsh gia to qema ths legomenhs basilikhs perioysias. Einai ena qema poy mas apasxolei, giati o tews basilias proballei aparadektes kai proklhtikes ajiwseis. Kai qeloyme na antidrasoyme. Den ginetai kamia diapragmateysh mazi toy kai oyte prokeitai na ginei. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa yperaspisei ta symferonta ths xwras, ta symferonta toy laoy. Logiko einai, loipon, sthn proetoimasia kai enocei kai twn diergasiwn ths synedriashs toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy, na ginontai synedriaseis gia na akoygontai oi apoceis, na ejagontai symperasmata poy qa exoyn labei ypoch oles tis proseggiseis. Me bash ta symperasmata ayta qa mporei na ginontai oi kalyteres dynates energeies mesa apo to syntonismo poy epitygxanetai. Oi anafores poy exoyn ginei gia to parelqon, aforoyn thn pro toy 1993 periodo, otan -opws gnwrizete- yphrje mia allh logikh apo th shmerinh, mia logikh diapragmateyshs me ton tews. Einai safes oti apo to 1994 akoloyqoyme mia teleiws diaforetikh taktikh, mia teleiws diaforetikh politikh. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti kai o nomos toy 1994 exei kriqei syntagmatikos kai apo to Symboylio ths Epikrateias kai apo to Anwtato Dikasthrio.

Einai safes oti ayto poy mas endiaferei -kai ayto monon kanoyme- einai na proetoimazomaste kala, na syntonizoyme tis kinhseis mas me oloys toys emplekomenoys foreis, gia na yperaspisoyme kata ton kalytero dynato tropo, ta symferonta ths xwras mas, ta symferonta toy laoy.

MIXAHL: Qa mpw sthn oysia toy qematos. H kybernhsh exei labei ypoch ths oti qa plhrwsei kapoio prostimo gia th basilikh perioysia, giati to Dikasthrio etsi prattei kai apo th nomologia toy kai apo o,ti fainetai oi plhrofories sygklinoyn se ayth thn kateyqynsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oydeis prepei na prokatalambanei apofaseis dikasthriwn. Sas dinw ton tono ths proetoimasias ths kybernhshs mas: Den ypoxwroyme se aparadektes kai proklhtikes ajiwseis toy tews basilia. Qa yperaspisoyme ta symferonta ths xwras, ta symferonta toy laoy me oloys toys nomimoys tropoys kai diadikasies. Ayth einai h grammh pleyshs mas, ayth einai h politikh mas.

MIXAHL: Epeidh to ellhniko kratos einai synexes kai den einai asynexes, oyte apo to 1989-1993 leitoyrgei, oyte apo to 1993 kai meta, sas qymizw oti me thn idia taktikh h ellhnikh kybernhsh to 1977, sthn ypoqesh Andreadh, elege oti den ypoxwrei. Meta klhqhke na plhrwsei to prostimo kai to plhrwse. Exete labei ypoch sas ayth thn eis baros mas katadikh, h opoia einai kai nomologia toy dikasthrioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ta lambanoyme ypoch mas, gi ayto kai proetoimazomaste kala. Eipa oti mesa apo nomimoys dromoys anazhtoyme tis kalyteres dynates kinhseis, gia na ejyphrethsoyme ta symferonta toy laoy mas. Ayth einai h ypoxrewsh mas ws dhmokratika eklegmenhs kybernhshs. Ayth einai h apoch mas. Kai apo thn allh pleyra, ekeino poy xreiazetai einai na symfwnhsoyme oloi oti qa prepei na ejantlhqoyn ola ta periqwria kai oi dynatothtes poy exoyme. H xwra den mporei na ypoxwrhsei se aparadektes kai proklhtikes apaithseis toy tews basilia.

MIXAHL: Ti shmainei, den mporei na ypoxwrhsei;

PRWTOPAPAS: To lew ws politikh grammh. To katalabainete poly kala. Otan jekinas mia syzhthsh, otan kaqorizeis thn politikh soy prepei na exeis ena kentriko stigma. Apo ekei kai pera, panta kinoymaste mesa stis nomimes diadikasies.

ARGYROS: Otan lete oloys toys "nomimoys dromoys", ennoeite oti yparxei prosfygh kai se allo dikasthrio; Kai ena deytero erwthma: An kapoio melos toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy diatypwse thn apoch oti yphrxan nomika kena sto nomo toy 1994;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporoyme na metaferoyme edw kai na syzhtame ta praktika toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Epanalambanw oti egine mia poly ploysia kai shmantikh syzhthsh poy eixe na kanei me thn politikh mas kai ton kalytero tropo gia thn parembash mas apo edw kai pera. Oi anafores sto parelqon aforoyn thn periodo pro twn eklogwn toy 1993, otan yphrxe mia teleiws diaforetikh grammh, mia teleiws diaforetikh proseggish toy qematos.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh qa sebastei thn apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Panta h kybernhsh kineitai sto plaisio ths nomimothtas. To qema einai oti den eimaste sth fash ths apofashs toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy, eimaste sth fash ths proetoimasias gia th maxh sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio. Apo ekei kai pera, qa doyme kai poies alles nomimes diadikasies yparxoyn. Sas edwsa to geniko politiko stigma mas. Panta sto plaisio twn nomimwn diadikasiwn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Wstoso, qa bgei apofash. Qa th sebastei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oydepote h ellhnikh kybernhsh, se sxesh me th dieqnh koinothta, kineitai ektos nomimothtas. Ayto einai safes.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Pws, loipon, lete oti den qa dexqoyme tis apaithseis toy tews; An bgei antiqeth apofash ti qa kanoyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan jekinas na diekdikhseis mia apofash xarasseis thn politikh grammh soy. H dikh mas politikh grammh einai safhs. Milame gia aparadektes kai proklhtikes ajiwseis. Qa to apodeijoyme, me ta epixeirhmata mas, kai enwpion toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy. Ayto einai to pisteyw mas kai gi ayto ginetai h proetoimasia mas. Otan phgaineis se mia diaithsia, se ena dikasthrio, se ena tetoio organo prepei na phgaineis me mia sygkekrimenh politikh grammh kai me ta epixeirhmata soy. H politikh grammh kai ta epixeirhmata mas apodoqhkan apo tis dhlwseis poy mexri twra ekana. Apo ekei kai pera, mh moy qetete ypoqetika erwthmata gia ypoqetikes apanthseis. Exoyme mia seira nomimes diadikasies mprosta mas kai piqano na yparxoyn kai alles. O,ti mporei na kanoyme mesa se aytes tis diadikasies me bash th safh politikh qesh mas, prokeimenoy na yperaspisoyme ta symferonta ths xwras mas, qa ginei.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den einai ypoqetiko to erwthma, dioti anamenetai h apofash@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa katadikasoyme thn Ellada edw. Den ginetai ayto to pragma.

MIXAHL: Na thn aqwwsoyme tote.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto prospaqoyme ki emeis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Endexomeno symbibasmoy yparxei: Skeftetai h kybernhsh, gia na teleiwsei ayth h istoria, na erqei se symbibasmo me ton tews;

PRWTOPAPAS: Molis sas paroysiasa mia teleiws diaforetikh politikh antilhch. Den mporoyme na pame se symbibasmo me aparadektes kai proklhtikes ajiwseis toy tews basilia. Den mporei na yparxei tetoia politikh. Yparxei mia staqerh politikh yperaspishs twn symferontwn toy ellhnikoy laoy.

MOYRTZHS: Otan anafereste gia thn periodo prin to @93, mporeite na balete ena xronodiagramma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ennow thn kybernhsh ths N.D. Einai safes ayto.

MOYRTZHS: Hqela na maqw ean o Prwqypoyrgos kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio diapistwsan xqes oti o k. Benizelos den shkwnei myga sto spaqi toy otan toy qigetai h episthmonikh toy eparkeia kai h nomoqetikh toy ikanothta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oydeis eqije kai den htan dynaton na qijei thn eparkeia kai thn ikanothta toy k. Benizeloy, oi opoies, allwste, einai poly gnwstes. Den proekyce tetoio qema, kata th diarkeia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Kanena tetoio problhma den yphrje. Yphrje enas entimos, kaqaros kai ploysios dialogos, me ekfrash apocewn kai katalhjame omofwna se orismena symperasmata.

MOYRTZHS: Nai, alla to ejelabe o k. Benizelos, ws momfh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanena tetoio qema den yphrje. Den yphrje momfh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: O k. Benizelos paramenei ek twn xeiristwn ayths ths ypoqeshs kai an oxi, poioi einai oi ypoyrgoi h ta synarmodia ypoyrgeia poy xeirizontai ayth thn ypoqesh apo edw ews to Marth poy, opws lene oi plhrofories, qa exoyme thn telikh apofash toy dikasthrioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn exei to geniko syntonismo se qemata eyrwpaikoy dikasthrioy, ta opoia, opws gnwrizete, prepei pantote na pernoyn apo to ypoyrgeio ayto. Bebaiws, opws katalabainete, prokeitai gia oikonomika qemata kai ara, prepei na yparxei bohqeia -kai gia forologikoys kai alloys logoys- apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Epishs, eidikoi se ayta ta qemata poy exoyn na kanoyn me shmantika nomika zhthmata kai idiaitera tetoias ektashs kai shmasias, opws einai kai o k. Benizelos, qa kataqesoyn th symbolh toys sthn olh proetoimasia. Ayto einai aparaithto.

KONTATOY: Shmera gnwrizoyme oti lhgei h proqesmia gia thn Olympiakh. Exoyn katateqei oi eggyhseis apo thn koinoprajia; Poy odeyei h idiwtikopoihsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti gia tis entos ths hmeras ejelijeis, yparxoyn sxetikes dhlwseis apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Metaforwn Xr. Berelh. Ayth th stigmh, den exei oloklhrwqei h proqesmia poy exei qesei o k. Berelhs. Epomenws, kala qa kanoyme, na perimenoyme th lhjh ths kai meta qa yparjoyn oi sxetikes anakoinwseis. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw -kai epimenw se ayto staqera- einai oti h ejetash olhs ayths ths prosforas kai oi diergasies poy yphrjan eginan panta katw apo thn anagkh ejeyreshs mia swsths lyshs. Mas endiaferei mono mia swsth lysh, h opoia qa ejasfalizei kai th biwsimothta kai to mellon ths etairias. Gi` ayto kai epimeiname toso poly kai zhthsame oles tis sxetikes eggyhseis. Einai gnwsto oti, an men yparjoyn oi eggyhseis qa mporesoyme na proxwrhsoyme, ean oles oi aparaithtes eggyhseis den doqoyn, qa analaboyme kai alles prwtoboylies, panta sthn kateyqynsh ths biwsimothtas kai ths swthrias ths O.A. Alla, bebaiws, kai xwris xreh poy qa plhrwnei o ellhnikos laos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epibebaiwnete oti oi stratiwtikoi poy yphrethsan se Bosnia kai Kossyfopedio qa perasoyn apo nees ejetaseis gia piqanh molynsh toys apo to apemploytismeno oyranio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Qa rwthsw kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Para to gegonos oti kai eseis kai proswpika o Prwqypoyrgos topoqethqhkate gia thn ypoqesh toy 76xronoy sthn Kalamata, plhrofories kai o shmerinos Typos, anaferoyn oti telika to sygkekrimeno Stratodikeio qa ginei. Mporeite na mas peite, poio qa einai to telos ayths ths ypoqeshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas anakoinwsa, me eidikh anakoinwsh mas malista, dioti xreiasthke na ginei h sxetikh parembash meta th synanthsh mas edw, alla bebaiws panw apo ola yparxei kai h sxetikh anakoinwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy jekaqarizei ta pragmata. Prokeitai gia mia klasikh periptwsh kataxrhshs kratikhs ejoysias. Einai mia klastikh periptwsh grafeiokratias. Yparxei mia safhs topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apenanti se ayta ta fainomena. Gnwrizete oti doqhke entolh na kinhqoyn oi sxetikes diadikasies paragrafhs kai na lhfqoyn ola ta anagkaia metra, opws tonise kai o armodios ypoyrgos G. Papantwnioy, prokeimenoy na mhn epanalhfqoyn tetoia fainomena. Kai ayth qa einai kai h ejelijh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw. Rwtw sygkekrimena: Ton anqrwpo ton kaloyn na parastei sto Stratodikeio. Anejarthta poia qa einai h apofash, qa paei h den qa parei o anqrwpos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa poies einai oi entoles poy exoyn doqei ayth th stigmh. Piqanon na mhn exei fqasei h sxetikh entolh sto armodio organo. Alla, nomizw oti kai ayto qa ginei. H proqesh mas einai safhs. Yparxei h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai den xwrei kamia amfibolia. Tetoia fainomena grafeiokratias qa antimetwpistoyn apofasistika.

MIXAHL: Afoy egine to qema, parenebh o Prwqypoyrgos kai edwse thn entolh, opws mas lete, caxnete na breite giati proekyce, poios exei thn eyqynh; Giati, edw, kapoios ekane kataxrhsh ejoysias, estw kai apo adynamia toy, na to poyme etsi. Caxnete, loipon, poios einai aytos kai poia einai h adynamia toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite den qa toy kanoyme kai cyxografhma! Katalabainete oti ayta ta qemata lynontai dioikhtika. Profanws, enhrghse katw apo th logikh toy ti leei to xarti. Alla, den mporoyme na energoyme etsi. Einai safes oti o armodios leitoyrgos prepei na analambanei kai eyqynh epi ths oysias. O sygkekrimenos leitoyrgos enhrghse me enan teleiws diaforetiko tropo. Ayto exei na kanei me dioikhtikes prajeis.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: To prosxedio nomoy poy syzhthqhke xqes sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio egine shmera dekto apo ton Typo me poikiles antidraseis. Yparxoyn apo epiqetika prwtoselida mexri kai xarakthrismoi, opws ``ypokritiko nomosxedio'' h ``daidalwdes nomiko plaisio'' k.lp. Poio einai to diko sas sxolio kai ti protiqeste na kanete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei pragmati mia polymorfh ypodoxh toy prosxedioy nomoy apo ton Typo. Yparxoyn para polloi poy qewroyn oti egine ena shmantiko bhma. Qa pw oti einai shmantiko bhma sthn kateyqynsh mias neas sxeshs, metajy ths politikhs ejoysias kai twn MME kai mias diaforetikhs sxeshs metajy twn MME kai ths oikonomikhs ejoysias. Yparxoyn aytes, alla kai alles apoceis poy to katakrinoyn. Sebomaste oles tis apoceis. Sebomaste aytoys poy topoqethqhkan qetika kai koitame na doyme poies symplhrwmatikes protaseis mporei na exoyn. Sebomaste kai apo aytoys poy topoqethqhkan arnhtika kai koitame na paroyme o,ti kalytero mporei na proteinoyn kai na ajiologhsoyme stoixeia ths kritikhs toys, wste na beltiwsoyme to nomosxedio. Ayth den einai kai h ennoia toy dialogoy; Apo ola ayta, bebaiws, ejairoyme to komma ths N.D., poy gia mia akoma fora, edeije thn aneparkeia kai thn adynamia ths arnoymenh to dialogo. Kai oxi mono ayto, alla synexizei na majimalizei gia na mhn ginei tipota. Giati stoxos ths den einai na proxwrhsei h diafaneia. Einai na mhn ginei tipota. Einai baqia ypokritikh h stash ths N.D., h opoia prospaqei na mplokarei thn opoiadhpote ejelijh, arneitai to dialogo gia na mhn parei qesh kai na einai aresth se oloys. Me mia frash leei: ``afhse ta pragmata opws einai. Mhn pareis kanena metro''. Den symfwnoyme. Emeis qa proxwrhsoyme me th sthrijh ths koinwnias kai qa paroyme tis apofaseis mas.

IWANNOY: H kritikh poy ginetai sthn kybernhsh shmera apo arketa Mesa einai oti oysiastika me ayto to prosxedio epibrabeyetai -etsi opws paroysiazetai- h diaplokh. Epishs, anaferetai oti to pososto toy basikoy metoxoy einai poly pio elastiko, poly megalytero apo ayto poy isxyei shmera me to asymbibasto. Ayth thn kritikh dexeste;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti sth logikh ths mias metoxhs qa mporei o oiosdhpote na mplokarei thn opoiadhpote epixeirhsh erhmhn ths. Exw thn ektimhsh oti h N.D. eite den gnwrizei th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, eite den gnwrizei th leitoyrgia ths agoras, eite to piqanotero -kai den mporw na to pistecw ayto- akoloyqei mia baqia ypokritikh stash. Apo th mia xynei krokodeilia dakrya yper ths diafaneias kai apo thn allh, otan erxontai parembaseis poy aforoyn thn enisxysh ths diafaneias, krybetai. H N.D. arneitai to dialogo, majimalizei gia na mhn ginei tipota, gia na mhn parei kamia qesh. Ayth einai h taktikh ths. Qa sas anaferw ena paradeigma: Yparxei kratikh epixeirhsh h opoia aphyqyne eggrafo pros oloys, h opoia den mporei na proxwrhsei diagwnismo ths gia qemata plhroforikhs, epeidh sthn epixeirhsh h opoia kerdise to diagwnismo, o opoios egine me idiaitera adiafqores diadikasies, yparxei allh ekdotikh epixeirhsh -ws mikrometoxos, oxi ws metoxos kapoioy shmantikoy posostoy, alla elaxistoy, katw apo 1% profanws gia xrhmatisthriakoys h logoys apodosewn- h opoia fanhke mesa sto katalogo poy bghke apo ton elegxo ton opoio enhrghse h Epitroph Diafaneias toy ESR. Kindyneyei, dhladh, ean den yparjei swsth ryqmish na mplokaristei h opoiadhpote epixeirhsh apo allh, erhmhn ths, giati exoyme ena eleyqero Xrhmatisthrio. Den einai sobara ayta. Den leitoyrgei etsi h agora, h oikonomia. Ephreazei ekeinos poy exei th dynamh na ephreasei kai oxi aytos poy katexei mia h deka metoxes mias epixeirhshs. Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti sto nomosxedio yparxoyn probleceis symfwna me tis opoies basikos metoxos qewreitai kai ekeinos poy exei pososto katw apo 5%, ean exei mia oysiastikh epirroh sth leitoyrgia ths epixeirhshs. Epishs, yparxoyn diatajeis oi opoies exoyn na kanoyn me epixeirhseis h fysika proswpa ta opoia den exoyn kamia metoxh, otan tekmairetai oti askoyn amesh h emmesh epirroh sth diadikasia lhchs twn apofasewn ths epixeirhshs.

IWANNOY: Metajy ths mias metoxhs poy leei h N.D. kai to 5% poy lete eseis, yparxoyn kai endiamesa pososta. Epeidh eseis pairnete thn akraia apoch..;

PRWTOPAPAS: Akraio einai to 5%; Gnwrizete oti ekfrasthkan kai anaferqhkan xqes kai shmera ston Typo polles apoceis, symfwna me tis opoies einai mikro to pososto, tis opoies qewrw qemites. Protimhsame na paroyme to mikrotero dynato pososto poy yparxei sth nomoqesia gia tis Anwnymes Etaireies. Opws gnwrizete to 5%, einai to mikrotero dynato pososto, enas metoxos exei kapoia dikaiwmata. Katw apo to 5% den exei dikaiwmata, ektos ean problepetai sto katastatiko. Alla, ean problepetai kati tetoio to qema to antimetwpizoyme me thn par. 1 toy arqroy poy anaferetai sta dikaiwmata, diorismoy symboylioy k.lp. O metoxos poy exei katw apo 5% den exei allo dikaiwma, den mporei na plhroforhqei, oyte kan na parei xartia ths epixeirhshs.

Qa hqela na kanw mia dhlwsh: Yparxei mia ahqhs epiqesh, h opoia egine xqes se dyo melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Qelw na tonisw oti h diafaneia kai h entimothta sthn politikh kai proswpikh diadromh aytwn twn stelexwn einai gnwsth. Idiaitera einai shmantikh h prosfora toys pros tis topikes koinwnies, oi opoies anagnwrizoyn th diafaneia kai thn entimothta sthn proswpikh kai politikh zwh toys, gi ayto to logo toys timoyn me thn chfo toys. Eimaste allhleggyoi me ta stelexh mas. Sthrizoyme thn prospaqeia poy ekanan apo thn opoia allwste apodeiknyetai oti h epiqesh enantion toys htan adikh kai ahqhs.

IWANNOY: Exete na kanete kapoia sxolio gia thn thleoptikh stash toy k. Mpenoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa kanw sxolio, gyrw apo qemata poy aforoyn thn proswpikh stash toy kaqenos mas. Sthrizoyme apolyta ta stelexh , giati gnwrizoyme th diafaneia kai thn entimothta toys, thn katajiwsh kai thn prosfora toys stis topikes koinwnies, oi opoies toys timhsan kai toys timoyn me th sthrijh kai thn chfo toys.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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