Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-01-31

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Ianoyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas

Parakalw, gia tis erwthseis sas

MPOTWNHS: H xqesinh sygkentrwsh ejhnta kai pleon, nyn kai prwhn boyleytwn, apotelei ena mhnyma gia thn kybernhsh, giati eipwqhkan kai kapoia pragmata, opws oti orismenoi sto PASOK qeloyn na odhghsoyn to Kinhma se syntribh kai oxi se htta. Ean einai ena kampanaki gia thn kybernhsh, enas problhmatismos poy ekfrasthke ekei h opws yposthrizoyn kapoioi alloi prokeitai gia synwmosia kata ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Synanthseis ginontai kai qa ginontai. To PASOK einai ena zwntano, dhmokratiko komma. Den blepw gia poio logo qa prepei eite na dramatopoioyme, eite na sxoliazoyme koinwnikes ekdhlwseis h politikes synanthseis metajy boyleytwn kai stelexwn toy kommatos mas, opoy antallassontai politikes apoceis. Ola ayta den dhmioyrgoyn kanena problhma, idiaitera gia ena komma opws to PASOK. Pisteyw oti ayto poy mas enwnei kai proxwroyme einai h koinh agwnia kai strateysh gia thn prowqhsh toy ergoy mas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Shmera lhgei h proqesmia gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia. Exei lhfqei kapoia apofash; Kai ean oxi, pote perimenete na lhfqei; Epishs, exei lyqei to qema toy oikonomikoy ths IAS;

PRWTOPAPAS: Th Deytera qa lhfqoyn oi oristikes apofaseis gia th synexish h mh twn diapragmateysewn me toys foreis ths deyterhs prosforas. Qelw na tonisw oti xeirizomaste to qema me idiaiterh sobarothta kai synepeia. Proqesh mas einai na breqei sigoyrh lysh gia to mellon ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. Mas endiaferei na diathrhqei o eqnikos mas aerometaforeas me tetoia leitoyrgia, wste na mhn epibarynei ton ellhniko lao. Einai safes oti meletoyme, me sobarothta kai eyqynh, ejantlhtika oles tis periptwseis kai tis dynatothtes poy yparxoyn kai fysika tis prosfores. As mhn egklwbizomaste xronika. Ginetai sobarh doyleia kai otan lhfqoyn oi apofaseis, qa anakoinwqoyn. Epishmainw oti einai aparadekto na ginontai dhlwseis, opws h xqesinh toy ekproswpoy ths N.D., me thn opoia to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs oysiastika emfanizetai na epixairei otan yparxoyn dyskolies h otan anamenei na emfanistoyn dyskolies gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia. Prepei na katalaboyme oti exei symferon olos o ellhnikos laos gia mia sigoyrh lysh -poy eggyomaste oti qa breqei- wste kai o eqnikos aerometaforeas na diathrhqei kai o ellhnikos laos na mhn epibarynqei. O ypoyrgos Metaforwn Xr. Berelhs kai to armodio ypoyrgeio ergazontai sobara kai swsta pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti syzhtate oles tis dynatothtes kai tis prosfores. Exete polles prosfores;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti syzhtoyme th deyterh prosfora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mia yparxei. Yparxei kai allh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Syzhtoyme th deyterh kai teleytaia prosfora. Otan, omws, milw gia oles tis dynatothtes, ennow oti an ayth h prosfora kriqei oti mporei na proxwrhsei, qa proxwrhsoyme. Ean, omws, kriqei oti den mporei na proxwrhsei, qa anaptyxqoyn alla senaria.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H deyterh prosfora mhpws exei zhthsei paratash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa, hdh, oti th Deytera qa exoyme kaqaroterh eikona.

KWNTANTINIDHS: Oi Toyrkoi fainetai oti ta teleytaia 24wra tentwnoyn epikindyna to skoini stis ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis. Exoyme th dhlwsh toy Toyrkoy Arxhgoy Stratoy Xilmi Ozkiok thn opoia ekane se kypriako edafos kai apeilhse me polemo h me nea tetelesmena, an den doqei lysh sto Kypriako symfwnh me tis epitages toy Ntenktas kai ean -opws eipe- proxwrhsei h entajiakh poreia ths kypriakhs dhmokratias sthn E.E. Epishs, kai o Toyrkos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Ismahl Tzem ekane dhlwseis sto idio motibo kai eipe oti ``anoigma ellhno-toyrkikoy dialogoy, shmainei oti qa milhsoyme epi olwn twn qematwn'', afhnontas na ennohqei oti qa odhghqoyme -an apodexqoyme to dialogo- se dialogo ef olhs ths ylhs. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthsh sas, apanthsa analytika xqes. O dialogos, bebaiws einai qemitos kai epiqymhtos. Bebaiws, yparxoyn problhmata kalhs geitonias kai qemata peraiterw synergasias me thn Toyrkia poy prepei na syzhthsoyme. Qelw na qymisw oti mesw toy dialogoy exoyme katalhjei se deka symfwnies, poy exoyn prowqhsei tis sxeseis kalhs geitonias kai synergasias. An, omws, anaferomaste se qemata poy exoyn na kanoyn me edafikes diekdikhseis, qelw na ypenqymisw, oti pagia qesh mas einai oti h monh edafikh diafora poy anagnwrizoyme, afora thn orioqethsh ths yfalokrhpidas. Elpizoyme mesa apo tis diereynhtikes epafes kai tis syzhthseis poy qa ginoyn, na mporesoyme na syntajoyme to synyposxetiko kai na pame sth Xagh, wste na doqei lysh se ayto to qema. Oson afora tis dhlwseis toy Toyrkoy Arxhgoy toy Stratoy -me ayth thn idiothta metexei sto Symboylio Eqnikhs Asfaleias ths Toyrkias- apanthsa xqes analytika. Epishmainw ta kyria shmeia ths xqesinhs topoqethshs moy:

To plaisio gia thn epilysh toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy einai dedomeno. Einai to plaisio twn apofasewn kai chfismatwn toy OHE, o opoios, kat` epanalhch, exei xarakthrisei to @status@ sthn Kypro, ws aparadekto kai exei zhthsei thn apoxwrhsh twn toyrkikwn strateymatwn katoxhs. Thn idia politikh exei apodexqei kai h E.E., h opoia, ws gnwston, diapragmateyetai, me th nomimh kybernhsh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, thn entajh ths Kyproy, poy pisteyoyme oti syntoma qa oloklhrwqei epityxws. Exei apodeixqei, mexri twra, polles fores, oti kaqe epideijh adiallajias ths toyrkikhs pleyras, mono se plhrh dieqnh apomonwsh odhgei ayth th xwra.

MOYRTZHS: Qa eidate, shmera, stis efhmerides kapoia sxolia, se sxesh me mia xqesinh synenteyjh poy edwse o k. Benizelos, paroysia toy k. Kalatraba. Qa hqela na maqw, ean synadei me th qesmikh idiothta toy k. Benizeloy to kyros toy kai an qelete to politiko ektopisma toy na omilei gia logariasmo toy. Dhladh, na qelei na apanthsei se erwthseis poy diatypwnontai apo synadelfoys gia logariasmo toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Benizelos apanthse se erwthseis poy aforoysan thn kybernhsh kai tis epiloges ths. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti orismenes fores den exei shmasia pros ta poy apeyqynetai mia erwthsh, alla poion afora. O k. Benizelos poly orqa apanthse se erwthseis poy aforoyn tis epiloges ths kybernhshs gyrw apo ayta ta qemata.

MOYRTZHS: H synadelfos rwthse gia thn amoibh toy k. Kalatraba kai o k. Benizelos apanthse gia logariasmo toy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, topoqethqei. H kybernhsh exei thn eyqynh gia thn plhrwmh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Xqes, dhmioyrghqhke mia anastatwsh sthn Kypro, meta tis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Papandreoy, o opoios, metajy twn allwn, eipe oti sta dieqnh fora kyoforeitai, an qelete, kai h ek peritrophs Proedria sthn Kypro. Den jerw me poia ennoia to eipe o k. Papandreoy. Ayto efere anastatwsh kai anagkase ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn na kanei mia dhlwsh -thn opoia qa gnwrizete epishs- oti ayta einai aparadekta gia thn kypriakh pleyra, den yparxei qema. Qa hqela na jekaqarisete th qesh ths ellhnikhs pleyras panw se ayto to poly sobaro zhthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Hdh, yparxei enhmerwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn gia to qema, exoyn doqei oles oi anagkaies ejhghseis kai exei apokatastaqei plhrws to qema. Den yphrxe anafora toy k. Papandreoy se qesh. Yphrjan kapoies anafores, kata th diarkeia mias syzhthshs, se orismena qemata poy anaptyxqhkan apo diaforoys kykloys kai oxi apo thn ellhnikh kybernhshs. Bebaiws, h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai staqerh. Sthrizei tis prwtoboylies kai thn poreia twn diapragmateysewn, poy ginontai me eyqynh toy Proedroy Klhridh apo thn kypriakh pleyra, panta sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE.

GARGALAKOS: Epaneilhmmena sto parelqon, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs eixe proteinei kai qa elege kaneis kai egkalesei ton Prwqypoyrgo poy den drasthriopoieitai proswpika o idios pros ofelos twn agrotwn sto plaisio ths E.E. Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos synanthse ton armodio Epitropo ths Gewrgias kai eixe orismena qetika apotelesmata. Den sas fainetai oti ayta ta qetika apotelesmata telika dikaiwnoyn th N.D. gia thn kritikh poy exei askhsei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, giati h N.D. den mas eipe oti qa prepei na asxolhqei o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios panta asxoleitai, me ta megala qemata ths gewrgias mas. Gnwrizete oti, kat` epanalhch, toso sta Symboylia Koryfhs, oso kai pros toys armodioys ths E.E., o Prwqypoyrgos exei qesei ta qemata poy apasxoloyn ton Ellhna agroth kai exei dwsei maxes -kai malista me qetika apotelesmata- gia thn yperaspish twn symferontwn ths ellhnikhs gewrgias. O k. Karamanlhs mas eipe oti qa prepei na paei o Prwqypoyrgos se Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias. Einai kati teleiws diaforetiko, kati poy qa apodynamwne, para qa ejyphretoyse ta ellhnika symferonta. Den gnwrizw ean jerei kala h N.D. th leitoyrgia ths Koinothtas. Piqanon ayth h sygxysh ths na ofeiletai kai se elleich sxetikhs gnwshs. Alla, qelw na qymisw oti einai diaforetiko na parembei se ena Symboylio Koryfhs h pros thn E.E. sto synolo ths h pros ton armodio Epitropo kai einai diaforetiko na qeteis qemata se ena Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Gewrgias kai na shkwqeis na fygeis. Giati, telika, den ejyphreteis kai den symballeis se tipota, otan ta idia qemata exoyn teqei -kai malista tiqentai, synexws- apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Parembaseis, loipon, toy Prwqypoyrgoy exoyn ginei polles fores mexri twra, opws ayth poy egine prin ena mhna, pros ton k. Fisler.

Epishs, qelw na tonisw oti to apotelesma toy endiaferontos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy proswpika gia toys Ellhnes agrotes, fanhke kai xqes, toso me thn parembash toy poy eixe ws apotelesma mia idiaitera qetikh stash ths E.E. sto qema twn apozhmiwsewn, oso kai me th xqesinh syskech poy egine, me symmetoxh synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn, me skopo na eimaste grhgoroi, synepeis kai apotelesmatikoi sto qema twn apozhmiwsewn apo fysikes katastrofes. Emeis, endiaferomaste gia ton Ellhna agroth. Einai sto kentro ths politikhs mas.

MIXAHL: Afoy eixame xqes tis epafes toy k. Shmith stis Bryjelles kai o,ti bghke apo ekei kai th diaqesh ths kybernhshs na doqoyn oi apozhmiwseis, eseis ti perimenete pia apo toys agrotes; Toys zhtate eyqews na "spasoyn" ta mploka, twra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Shmera einai h teleytaia mera gia thn paradosh toy bambakioy. Me bash to teliko aqroisma twn posothtwn poy qa exoyn paradoqei, qa ginei h telikh syzhthsh ths kybernhshs me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai qa kaqoristei h timh toy bambakioy. Einai, loipon, mia shmantikh hmera. Apo ekei kai pera, oson afora ta mploka, exw topoqethqei, kat` epanalhch, kai exw epishmanei oti den mporei se kamia periptwsh kamia morfh kinhtopoihshs na strefetai kata ths oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs zwhs.

MIXAHL: Den anaferomai genika sta mploka. Anaferomai sta mploka, meta tis xqesines ejelijeis. Ayth einai h poiotikh diafora. Oti exoyme, pleon, mia desmeysh gia tis apozhmiwseis 90 dis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn arxh yphrxan aytes oi desmeyseis kai blepete oti epitaxynetai h ylopoihsh toys. Einai ayto poy eixa pei apo thn arxh: Oti h kybernhsh steketai idiaitera qetika, apotelesmatika kai dinei lyseis sta problhmata twn agrotwn.

MPOTWNHS: Synedriase, xqes, o KTE Oikonomias PASOK, opoy o armodios ypoyrgos N. Xristodoylakhs enhmerwse gia thn antimetwpish toy paranomoy tzogoy. Qa hqela ean exete na mas peite kati ep` aytoy kai an h kybernhsh -yparxei mia protash poy katateqhke- syzhta oxi mono thn katarghsh, opws eipate, giati dhmioyrgoyntai kai diafora problhmata, alla kai enan elegxo -etsi toylaxiston exw katagracei egw- on line poy qa einai xwris na mesolaboyn paragontes h to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs h otidhpote allo, gia na mporei etsi na apodeixqei ean ayta ta mhxanhmata leitoyrgoyn telika sto paranomo tzogo.

PRWTOPAPAS: H synedriash toy Koinoboyleytikoy Tomea Ergasias apotelei eswterikh diadikasia toy PASOK. Einai mia syzhthsh twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn synhqws me toys boyleytes mas kai bebaiws, den nomizw oti einai qema poy qa prepei na sxoliasei o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Einai diadikasia shmantikoy kai ploysioy dialogoy, symbolhs twn boyleytwn mas stis telikes epiloges ths kybernhshs. Ayth h symbolh yphrje kai xqes. Kai, bebaiws, panta h kybernhsh sth diamorfwsh twn telikwn epilogwn ths lambanei ypoch tis apoceis kai tis protaseis poy ekfrazontai. Den xreiazontai sxolia se aytes tis periptwseis. Einai mia eswterikh diadikasia toy kybernwntos kommatos.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Qa epanelqw sto xqesinobradino deipno. Se ena apo ta teleytaia deipna, poy eixan symbei sto parelqon, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe emfanistei enoxlhmenos apo th synanthsh ekeinh. Ti pisteyete oti den qa ton enoxlhsei to gegonos toy xqesinoy deipnoy, twn 45 kai pleon stelexwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh xrhsimopoioyme epiqeta -kai malista orismenes fores ayqaireta- poy nomizw oti den ekfrazoyn kanenan. Oson afora thn oysia toy qematos sas kalyptei h apanthsh poy edwsa sthn arxh.

GARGALAKOS: Na prowqhsw parapera to skeptiko: Den pisteyete oti oles aytes oi diergasies kai ta deipna kalliergoyn ena klima apostaqeropoihshs ths kybernhshs kai empodizoyn to kybernhtiko ergo;

PRWTOPAPAS: H monh apostaqeropoihsh poy eperxetai me ta deipna einai h apostaqeropoihsh twn kilwn kai ths siloyetas mas.

MIXAHL: Se synexeia ths prohgoymenhs erwthshs -entajei, katalabainw to pneyma ths apanthshs sas- qelw na moy ejhghsete poioi einai aytoi oi kybernhtikoi paragontes poy ejefrasan shmera th dysareskeia toys kai katagrafetai se mia seira apo reportaz, gia to deipno twn 50 boyleytwn xqes; Yparxoyn shmerina reportaz -ta opoia pisteyw diabasate- poy lene oti kybernhtikoi paragontes exoyn enoxlhqei kai oti espeysan malista na dhlwsoyn oti eixe kosmiko xarakthra gia na to apodynamwsoyn, endeiktiko kai ths antidrashs toys k.lp. Poioi einai aytoi oi paragontes, otan eseis epishmws mas lete oti siga, h siloyeta kai ta kila, einai ayta poy apostaqeropoioyntai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei.

Epitrecete moy na sxoliasw kai ena allo qema. Synedriase xqes h Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs. Anaforika me orismenes dhlwseis poy eginan ekei apo ton k. Meimarakh, tonizw oti antiperispasmoi den ginontai apodektoi. H N.D. ofeilei na apanthsei se ena megalo qema poy exei teqei, exei apodeixqei kai poy to exei maqei h ellhnikh koinwnia. Milw gia toys mystikoys trofodotes logariasmoys. H prospaqeia toy Grammatea ths N.D. na dhmioyrghsei antiperispasmoy den peiqei kanenan. To PASOK den eixe, den exei kai den qa exei na krycei tipota gyrw apo ta oikonomika toy. Ayto, as apasxolhsei alloys.

KWNSTANTIDHS: Antiperispasmoi giati den ginontai apodektoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ypo thn ennoia, oti den mas peiqoyn kai den apoteloyn politiko epixeirhma. Ayto ennow.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti den einai alhqina ayta poy legontai gia to PASOK, gia to onomata. Tote se poia onomata einai oi logariasmoi sth Germania. Einai ston k. Shmith h ston k. Laliwth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa exete th dynatothta, otan to PASOK kanei th dhlwsh sth Boylh h stis armodies arxes, gyrw apo ta oikonomika toy, na plhroforhqeite analytika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, edw eseis mas ta lete. Eseis prepei na mas apanthsete. Kanate dhlwsh k. Ypoyrge, den qa apanthsete twra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Topoqethqhka hdh. To PASOK den exei tipota na krycei kai ola anaferontai mesa stis ekqeseis poy kanei. Sas parapempw se aytes tis ekqeseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den jerete se poioys einai oi logariasmoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi dhlwseis poy ekana einai analytikotates. Sas parapempw se aytes, qa exete th dynatothta na parete ikanopoihtikes apanthseis sto erwthma poy qetete. Apo thn pleyra moy sas apanthsa, hdh. Kai sas apanthsa giati meta qa me rwthsete gia thn Aystralia kai meta gia tis HPA.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opwsdhpote, ean yparxoyn polloi logariasmoi.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa poy mporeite na ta breite, einai aplo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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