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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Noembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai xronia polla se oses kai osoys giortazoyn.

Opws gnwrizete synedriase shmera, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith h Kybernhtikh Epitroph.

Sthn eisagwgikh topoqethsh toy o Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe toys stoxoys ths tetraetias gia thn oikonomikh anaptyjh, th diaxysh ths eyhmerias stoys polites kai thn isxyrh paroysia ths xwras dieqnws.

Tonise pws exoyn allajei polla meta to tromokratiko xtyphma ths 11hs Septembrioy. H abebaiothta se dieqnes epipedo exei ayjhqei, exoyn diamorfwqei nea dedomena sth dieqnh oikonomia, exoyn prokycei nees anagkaiothtes, nea problhmata. Shmeiwse oti h epomenh periodos apaitei idiaiterh prosoxh stoys oikonomikoys sxediasmoys mas, prokeimenoy na prowqhsoyme toys stoxoys mas gia mia pio isxyrh koinwnia. Na epilysoyme problhmata opws to Asfalistiko, na ayjhsoyme thn apasxolhsh. H Ellada poreyetai kala se ayth th dyskolh sygkyria. Qa synexisoyme ayth thn poreia. H kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na eggyhqei kai na diasfalisei to mellon ths xwras. Na thn odhghsei me asfaleia ston 21o aiwna. Prepei, omws, oloi na exoyme syneidhsh ths sygkyrias kai ths anagkhs gia synergasia, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme toys stoxoys mas. Me sigoyria kai asfaleia proxwroyme sthn ylopoihsh toy sxedioy mas gia thn isxyrh Ellada.

Epishs, o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse na "trejoyn" oi politikes poy exoyn antikrisma gia toys polites. Na dwsoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata me grhgores draseis kai apanthseis.

Anaferqhke, akomh, sta oktw megala qemata, ta opoia apoteloyn gia mas desmeytikes proteraiothtes. Oi stoxoi aytoi einai:

Oi Olympiakoi Agwnes. Tonise thn anagkh na thrhqoyn ta xronodiagrammata twn ergwn. Xreiazetai synexhs kai megalh prospaqeia ston tomea ayto.

H taxeia kai orqh ajiopoihsh twn porwn toy G@ KPS, aparaithto ergaleio gia thn anaptyjh ths xwras.

H ylopoihsh, me apofasistiko tropo, toy stoxoy mas gia tis 300 xiliades nees eykairies apasxolhshs. Qa yparjei plhrhs efarmogh twn eqnikwn sxediwn drashs gia thn apasxolhsh kai ton koinwniko apokleismo.

To Asfalistiko qema. Zhthse na oloklhrwqoyn oi diadikasies kai na jekinhsei o dialogos, xwris xroniko agxos. Oytws h allws qa kriqoyme apo thn antimetwpish toy kai qeloyme na einai qetikh, symfwna me ta symferonta toy polith.

H forologikh metarryqmish. Einai stoxos poy syndeetai me thn anaptyjh kai thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Stoxos poy qa proxwrhsei entos toy 2002.

H ellhnikh Proedria sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, to prwto ejamhno toy 2003. Exoyme thn ypoxrewsh na petyxoyme. Einai mia qetikh proklhsh gia th xwra, einai ena krisimo stoixeio gia to politiko klima, idiaitera otan ayth h Proedria, opws anamenetai, mporei na syndeqei me th dieyrynsh ths E.E. kai thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias.

H prowqhsh twn allagwn kai metarryqmisewn se qemata poy aforoyn thn ejyphrethsh toy polith kai h antapokrish mas sta problhmata toy. Tetoia qemata einai ayta poy syndeontai me th Dioikhsh, thn Paideia, thn Ygeia.

H epityxhs eisagwgh toy Eyrw. Apotelei stoxo me braxyproqesmo orizonta, toso se sxesh me thn oikonomia -einai ena krisimo stoixhma to opoio prepei na kerdisoyme- oso kai me th qetikh leitoyrgia sthn prajh gia toys sympolites mas, wste na antimetwpisoyme egkaira tyxon problhmata. Epeidh h oikonomia einai se ena idiaitera krisimo kai epikairo stadio kai epeidh mpainoyme sthn telikh eyqeia toy Proypologismoy, stis 15 Noembrioy qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, prokeimenoy na syzhthsei to synolo ths oikonomikhs politikhs. Stis 21 Noembrioy qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa syzhthsei gia ton Proypologismo, ton opoio to apogeyma ths idias hmeras o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa kataqesei sth Boylh. Stis 29 Noembrioy qa synedriasei kai pali to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia to qema ths proetoimasias ths xwras gia thn eisagwgh toy Eyrw, enw qa yparxei kai eidikh syskech gia toys laqrometanastes. Se ayto to qema o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn Kwstas Skandalidhs anelabe dieyrymeno syntonistiko rolo.

O Prwqypoyrgos ypogrammise oti proypoqesh gia na petyxoyn aytoi oi oktw stoxoi, proypoqesh gia na odhghsoyme me asfaleia thn Ellada sto mellon einai h eswterikh synoxh ths kybernhshs kai toy PASOK. Zhthse na mhn yparjoyn gkrinies kai diaplhktismoi metajy twn stelexwn mas.

Telos, o Prwqypoyrgos, anaferomenos sth Nea Dhmokratia kai thn politikh ths, tonise pws h N.D. exei apodeijei oti den diaqetei programma. Den diaqetei peistikes apanthseis gia ta problhmata ths xwras. Emmenei se genikologes kai aoristes anafores peri "koyrasmenwn" kai enos dhqen neoy oramatos, to opoio sthn oysia einai anamashma palaiwn kai jeperasmenwn politikwn. Thn idia stigmh, omws, synexizei mia agonh kai asthrikth skandalologia me monadiko stoxo th dhmioyrgia problhmatwn sthn omalh poreia ths oikonomias. Omws, sthn politikh to zhthma einai ti ekproswpei o kaqenas. H N.D. exei parelqon poy prodikazei to mellon ths. Emeis qa antiparateqoyme me to ergo mas kai me thn efarmogh toy programmatos mas - oxi apokleistika panw sta proswpa- kai qa anadeijoyme ta adiejoda twn politikwn "kataskeywn" ths N.D..

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei ena sobaro problhma gia mas. Xqes, sto briefing balate oti exei synanthsh o Prwqypoyrgos me thn k. Gianna Daskalakh Aggelopoyloy. Ayto, edw den elexqh. Ayto ginetai prwth fora. Einai prwtofanes na bazete mesa sto briefing kati o opoio den elexqh edw. Kai to kyriotero apo ola einai oti paizete me to cwmi pollwn edw mesa, giati phgan stis doyleies toys dexqhkan epiqesh -giati to briefing ayto paei kai stoys dieyqyntes kai se alla stelexh efhmeridwn, thleoptikwn kai radiofwnikwn staqmwn - kai eixan problhma. Den mporei na ginetai ayto to pragma. Na bgazete jexwristh anakoinwsh, otan prokeitai gia kati poy bgainei meta. Mhn to bazete mesa sto briefing, giati mas dhmioyrgeite problhma.

PRWTOPAPAS: To antilambanomai mono ws prostasia twn politikwn syntaktwn, h opoia me endiaferei idiaitera, gia thn apofygh laqoys h gia na mhn exoyn kapoia parathrhsh gia thn opoia den ftaine. Me ayth thn ennoia shmeiwnw thn parathrhsh sas, alla bebaiws katanoeite poly eykola oti ayth h mikrh anaggelia -giati peri anaggelias eprokeito kai oxi peri sxoliasmoy h parathrhshs-@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sobarotato to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parakalw mh me diakoptete. Sas akoysa me prosoxh. Qelw na tonisw oti egine h prosqhkh ayth gia dieykolynsh sas. Apo ekei kai pera, an to zhtoymeno einai na akoloyqhsoyme th meqodo ths jexwrisths anakoinwshs gia th dikh sas prostasia, den exw kamia antirrhsh. Me endiaferei na prostateyontai apolyta oi politikoi syntaktes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai h prostasia, einai h deontologia toy briefing sto press room. Etsi ginetai xronia. Penhnta xronia edw mesa ayto jeroyme.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei o typos, yparxei kai h oysia Den exw kamia proqesh na synexisw na syzhtw to qema ayto.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Sto qema ayto. Pragmati, yphrje problhma @

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporoyme na proxwrhsoyme se politikes erwthseis;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oxi. Qelw na sas pw gi ayto to qema, giati pragmatika dhmioyrghqhke problhma kai yphrjan kai synadelfoi oi opoioi lene oti mporei na antimetwpisoyn problhma kai me to cwmi toys@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti yparxei tetoio qema.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Edw einai oi synadelfoi kai mporei na milhsoyn..

PRWTOPAPAS: Loipon, en pash periptwsei, ean tiqetai qema, qa sas parakaloysa na teleiwsoyme edw. Thn wra poy oloklhrwnotan h apomagnhtofwnhsh ths politikhs enhmerwshs, hrqe h plhroforia. Gia dieykolynsh sas, kriname skopimo na to prosqesoyme ws mia aplh plhroforia. Den htan politiko gegonos. Ean epiqymeite, sto mellon, na ekdidetai jexwristh anakoinwsh, den exw kanena problhma.

KONTOPOYLOS: Hqela na rwthsw, an o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sto problhma poy dhmioyrghqhke sth xwra, se arketes perioxes, me aformh thn prosfath qeomhnia, kaq oti exoyme mprosta mas probleceis ths EMY gia mia nea qeomhnia to epomeno trihmero. Qa hqela, loipon, na rwthsw, an o prwqypoyrgos brhke ikanopoihtikh thn ews twra kinhtopoihsh, an diapistwse problhmata, poy yparxoyn ayta kai ti lyseis proteine pros toys ypoyrgoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti exei pei h kybernhsh, o,ti exoyn pei oi ypoyrgoi oles tis prohgoymenes meres einai aytonohto oti egine se synennohsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. O Prwqypoyrgos den topoqethqhke shmera mono gia tis qeomhnies kai ta epakoloyqa toys. Apo poly konta, se kaqhmerinh kai synexh bash enhmerwnotan gia thn kaqe ejelijh. Parakoloyqoyse poly stena thn kinhtopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Ayta poy syzhthsame sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai eipwqhkan apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, einai ta idia me ayta poy eipame edw. Oti, dhladh, egine poly shmantikh doyleia apo ton kratiko mhxanismo. Eixame na antimetwpisoyme mia megalh qeomhnia. Panta yparxoyn problhmata otan prokyptoyn tetoia kairika fainomena. Kai einai poly fysiko. Einai gnwsto oti polles fores kaloymaste na antimetwpisoyme problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei eite apo pyrkagies h apo mpazwmata rematwn. Ola ayta ta problhmata anadeiknyontai otan yparxei qeomhnia kai prepei na ta antimetwpizoyme. Epomenws, mporoyme na poyme oti exoyme eparkh kinhtopoihsh toy kratikoy mhxanismoy. Panta, bebaiws, yparxoyn periqwria na eimaste akomh pio apotelesmatikoi. Gi ayto to logo, o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, meta tis nees probleceis gia nea epideinwsh twn kairikwn synqhkwn -kai edw qa hqela na shmeiwsw oti ginontai pia probleceis kai egkaira- exei organwsei sth Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias ena akomh pio apotelesmatiko, parembatiko systhma diypoyrgikoy xarakthra.

KONTOPOYLOS: Epeidh yphrjan kai anadyqhkan problhmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me kaqysterhseis, pisteyete oti yparxoyn eyqynes se sygkekrimenes yphresies; Milame gia ta remata, tis apoxeteyseis kai poly sygkekrimena problhmata se sygkekrimenes perioxes, ta opoia kaqe xrono anadeiknyontai. Se ayta qa yparjei kapoia proodos kai giati den exei yparjei mexri twra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei yparjei proodos kai einai shmantikh. Exoyn doqei polla disekatommyria kai exoyn ginei polla antiplhmmyrika erga sto Lekanopedio. Bebaiws, prepei na ginoyn kai alla. Kaqe fora, qa ejasfalizoyme toys poroys gia na proxwroyme se ayta. Einai mia synexhs diadikasia, mia synexhs parembash kai panta qa epidiwkoyme to kalytero.

MOYRTHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, ean exei bgei to porisma twn empeirognwmonwn toy YPEXWDE. Kai mia deyterh erwthsh. Sas eixa rwthsei proxqes gia thn tyxh toy nomosxedioy gia th domhsh konta se remata, an ayto qa prowqhqei kai se poio stadio brisketai. Exete apanthseis se ayta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan h nea politikh hgesia einai etoimh, qa dwsei apanthsh kai se ayto to qema. Oson afora to porisma twn empeirognwmonwn, den exei oloklhrwqei akomh. To anamenoyme.

TAKHS: Xqes, to ranteboy toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn k. Aggelopoyloy ejelixqhke se ena qriler, dedomenoy oti eixe diarreysei pws h k. Aggelopoyloy einai idiaiterws enoxlhmenh gia kapoio "kapelwma" armodiothtwn ths kai malista akoysthkan kai plhrofories gia endexomenh paraithsh ths k.t.l. Yparxei krish stis sxeseis ths kybernhshs me thn k. Aggelopoyloy, meta kai th dedomenh topoqethsh toy k. Benizeloy oti qa einai parwn stis paroysiaseis kai tis synenteyjeis, kaqe fora poy qa erxetai edw h armodia epitroph ths DOE; Yparxei qema, yparxei problhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Den yparxei problhma. H synanthsh ths k. Aggelopoyloy me ton Prwqypoyrgo egine meta apo aithma ths, gia thn kalyterh proetoimasia ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, h opoia qa synedriasei thn erxomenh Tetarth. Epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, th Deytera kai thn Trith, qa pragmatopoihsei epishmh episkech sth Slobakia, ekrine skopimo na ginei xqes h sxetikh synanthsh. Apo th synanthsh ayth prokyptoyn mia seira qemata poy prepei na proxwrhsoyn, wste na synedriasei omala kai swsta, me egkairh proetoimasia, h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph kai na antapokriqei h xwra mas kai h kybernhsh mas kata ton kalytero dynato tropo sthn episkech toy klimakioy ths DOE. Den yparxei kanena problhma. Oi sxeseis me thn k. Aggelopoyloy einai poly kales. Oi roloi einai diakritoi. O rolos ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs toy "Aqhna 2004" einai idiaitera shmantikos kai kaqoristikos gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes.

TAKHS: Oi diarroes peri paraithshs, enoxlhshs, eftasan sta aytia sas xqes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fantazomai pws o,ti mas metaferete -an einai diarroes den jerw- einai apo plhrofories dikes sas kai apantoyme, opws apantoyme. Mas exete metaferei ayth thn plhroforia, h opoia den gnwrizoyme, bebaiws, apo poy proerxetai.

IWANNOY: Epibebaiwnetai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo oti h k. Daskalakh eqese thn paraithsh ths sth diaqesh toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw topoqethqei, hdh. Den yphrje tetoio qema, se kamia periptwsh. Yparxei omalh synergasia me thn k. Aggelopoyloy. Yparxei omalh synergasia metajy ths kybernhshs kai ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs toy "Aqhna 2004". Kaqenas exei diakrito rolo. O rolos ths k. Aggelopoyloy einai shmantikos. Doyleyoyme oloi mazi gia na diorganwsoyme toys kalyteroys Olympiakoys Agwnes poy eginan pote.

BITALHS: Kaqoson jerete kai eseis, o Prwqypoyrgos egine xqes dekths kapoiwn paraponwn, kapoiwn parathrhsewn ths k. Aggelopoyloy, anaforika me kapoies energeies toy ypoyrgoy Politismoy h allwn kybernhtikwn paragontwn gia parembaseis sto ergo ths;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se kamia periptwsh den yphrje parembash apo kybernhtiko paragonta sto ergo toy "Aqhna 2004".

BITALHS: To qema poy proekyce apo th synenteyjh toy k. Benizeloy poy qelei na einai parwn sthn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi ta pragmata. O k. Benizelos den eipe oti qelei na einai parwn. Exei diafora h lejh "qelei" poy xrhsimopoihsate. Yparxei apofash poy exei syzhthqei sth Diypoyrgikh, oti prepei na einai parwn o ypoyrgos Politismoy se kapoies diadikasies. Kai ayto, oxi gia na parembainei se kapoio ergo -den yparxei tetoia periptwsh- alla gia na enhmerwnei kalytera ta klimakia ths DOE gia to kybernhtiko ergo, gia to kommati dhladh poy afora thn kybernhsh. Kai ayto, einai to kommati twn ergwn kai twn ypodomwn. Qelw na tonisw kai pali oti ayto to qema eixe syzhthqei sth Diypoyrgikh Epitroph.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: O k. Benizelos, meta th xqesinh synanthsh, qa einai parwn; Isxyei ayth h apofash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei apofash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, h opoia, bebaiws, apaitei kai synennohsh me th DOE. Ayto eipe, xqes, o k. Benizelos, oti proxwrei h sxetikh synennohsh.

MPOYATAR: Otan leme "parwn", gia poio qema milame akribws; Giati, allo qema einai h telikh synenteyjh Typoy kai allo qema einai h syskech ths DOE.

PRWTOPAPAS: Proqesh ths kybernhshs -gia na to kanw apolytws safes- den einai na parembainei sto ergo kanenos, se ergo poy den einai diko ths. Proqesh, omws, ths kybernhshs einai na mporei na yparxei mia seira diadikasiwn poy qa dieykolynoyn thn epafh ths me th DOE, apokleistika se qemata poy aforoyn to kybernhtiko ergo. Epanalambanw oti anaferomai, kyriws, sta erga poy ekteloyntai ayth th stigmh kai tis anagkaies ypodomes. Gia ola ayta ta zhthmata einai ypeyqynh h kybernhsh, ta epimeroys Ypoyrgeia kai Organismoi. Einai, loipon, logiko h kybernhsh na qelei na syzhthsei panw se ayta ta qemata me ta klimakia ths DOE. Den yparxei kanena problhma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H k. Aggelopoyloy zhthse th synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, xqes to meshmeri;

PRWTOPAPAS: Molis kleisthke h synanthsh, to anakoinwsame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete pote th zhthse;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw. Gnwrizw pote kleisthke h synanthsh kai pote kaqoristhke h wra. Ayto egine, arga xqes to meshmeri, meta th synanthsh mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai meta th synenteyjh toy k. Benizeloy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto den to gnwrizw. Enhmerwqhka gia th synanthsh, ligh wra meta to telos ths politikhs enhmerwshs kai sas enhmerwsa amesws.

MPOTWNHS: Sthn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston k. Osbalnt, anaferetai mesa ayto to gegonos, oti ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs qa symmetexei stis synenteyjeis k.t.l. Enhmerwqhke, dhladh, h DOE gi` ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos proteinei ena sygkekrimeno tropo epafhs. Einai safes oti qa yparjoyn kai oi anagkaies synennohseis me th DOE. Se ayth thn protash egine h xqesinh anafora kai se tipote allo. Epanalambanw oti ayth h protash htan gnwsth se oloys poy symmetexoyn sth Diypoyrgikh, ara kai sthn k. Aggelopoyloy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti oi palaioteres epikriseis, kitrines kartes kai ola ayta poy gnwrisame apo th DOE, ofeilontan kata ena meros kai sthn enhmerwsh poy eixe h DOE kai apo ton "Aqhna 2004";

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Pisteyoyme oti h k. Aggelopoyloy exei symbalei poly shmantika sto ergo ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Qeloyme, epidiwkoyme kai exoyme mia poly kalh synergasia me th DOE.

GEROPOYLOS: Ti empodize mexri twra thn kybernhsh na paroysiazei to ergo ths sth Syntonistikh Epitroph ths DOE, opote allaje tis diadikasies enhmerwshs kai epafhs; Kai ena deytero, ean gia thn epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston k. Osbalnt, eixe enhmerwqei h ka Aggelopoyloy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas, exw, hdh, apanthsei. Eipa oti eixe enhmerwqei h ka Aggelopoyloy. Gia to prwto erwthma, pantote yparxei toy kaloy to kalytero. Yparxei mia diadikasia, sthn poreia ths opoias diapistwneis kapoia problhmata kai les pws qa ta diorqwseis. Qelw na qymisw, gia paradeigma, oti otan htan o k. Rongk sth qesh toy k. Osbalnt, prin ginei Proedros ths DOE, erxotan polles fores, apo ypoyrgeio se ypoyrgeio, gia na enhmerwqei gia ta erga. Sas qymizw th sxetikh diadikasia ths episkechs toy. Ean kriqei oti apo ayth th diadikasia yparjei mia kalyterh, einai kako na thn proteineis; To antiqeto. Qewrw oti exeis eyqynh kai ypoxrewsh na thn proteineis.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Gia na prowqhqei ayth h apofash, h skech ths kybernhshs, tiqetai ypo thn proypoqesh ths symfwnias ths DOE;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ginontai se symfwnia me th DOE. Exoyme kalh synergasia me th DOE kai qeloyme na antallassoyme skeceis, problhmatismoys kai na beltiwnoyme kaqe fora tis diadikasies mas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ean, omws, arnhqei h DOE, h kybernhsh ti qa kanei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na apanthsw se ypoqetiko erwthma. Emeis qeloyme synennohsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Anagnwrizete to dikaiwma sth DOE na arnhqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite! Dikaiwma na leei tis apoceis toy exei o kaqenas. Kai otan yparxei enas Dieqnhs Organismos poy exei epafh me thn kybernhsh mas, ola prepei na ginontai se synennohsh. Ayto apaitei h deontologia kai ayto kanoyme panta.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate oti panta yparxei toy kaloy to kalytero, ti exete diapistwsei ws adynamia h problhma gia na epidiwjete to kalytero;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh anaferqei se ayto. Sas eipa, gia paradeigma, thn prohgoymenh episkech toy k. Rongk se epta ypoyrgeia. Yparxoyn kai kalyteres diadikasies.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Dhladh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oti otan ginetai tetoia episkech, na paroysiazetai me eniaio tropo to mexri ekeinh th stigmh ergo mas gia thn olympiakh proetoimasia kai oxi apospasmatika.

KACIWTHS: Shmera se prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths @ESPRESSO@ ginetai logos gia dyo listes poy exei labei anwtatos kybernhtikos ajiwmatoyxos apo tis amerikanikes arxes. H mia lista mila gia ypoptoys tromokratikwn organwsewn kai h allh gia epixeirhmaties poy exoyn emporikes epafes me xwres poy einai apokleismenes, poy yparxei embargo, opws to Irak. Isxyei kati tetoio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Safws oxi. Exw topoqethqei, kat epanalhch, se ayto.

KACIWTHS: Dhladh, den yparxoyn tetoies listes kai den exoyn paradoqei sta xeria ajiwmatoyxwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa, oxi.

ANTYPAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia to endexomeno metabashs ellhnikwn strateymatwn sth Bosnia, se antikatastash amerikanikwn, poy isws kinhqoyn pros thn perioxh ths krishs. Kai gia mia plhroforia apo to stratiwtiko reportaz oti 1000 stratiwtes apo ta Arabika Emirata poy edreyoyn, ayth th stigmh, sto Kosobo, epistrefoyn sthn patrida toys kai ean ayto shmainei antikatastash toy roloy toys, apo tis ellhnikes dynameis poy edreyoyn ekei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw leptomereies. H politikh mas problepei, oson afora to qema ayto, th stratiwtikh paroysia mas sthn eyryterh perioxh ths N.A. Eyrwphs, ws dynamh eggyhshs gia thn omalothta, thn asfaleia, th synergasia.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish: Dhladh, shmainei oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei strathgikh na enisxysei th stratiwtikh ths paroysia sta Balkania;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai mesa sthn politikh mas h stratiwtikh paroysia sta Balkania kai to exoyme pei ayto. Ean, loipon, xreiastei kai ean kriqei oti prepei na enisxyqei, einai kai ayto mesa sthn politikh mas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qelw na moy peite ean gnwrizete perissotera stoixeia gia mia kaseta, poy feretai na breqhke sta amparia toy ploioy kai h opoia exei katagegrammenes skhnes bias, basanisthriwn kata Koyrdwn sthn Toyrkia. Poia einai h tyxh ayths ths kasetas, giati yparxoyn plhrofories oti exei doqei sto Limeniko kai apo to Limeniko exei prowqhqei sthn EYP kai ean telikws ayth h kaseta qa doqei stoys thleoptikoys staqmoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Qa enhmerwqw apo to Limeniko kai tis armodies arxes kai qa sas apanthsw sthn ayrianh synanthsh mas.

MOYRTHS: Prin apo dyo-treis hmeres maqame oti stis HPA ejetazetai h dynatothta na nomoqethqoyn ta basanisthria, kata ypoptwn gia tromokratia. H ellhnikh kybernhsh pws topoqeteitai apenanti sto zhthma ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na elegxqei h sxetikh plhroforia, giati fainetai yperbolikh. H qesh mas, pantws, einai safhs. H ellhnikh kybernhsh topoqeteitai panta me bash toys kanones poy isxyoyn sth xwra mas, to Syntagma kai toys nomoys mas, poy ola ayta ta apagoreyoyn. Den xreiazetai na apodeiknyoyme, kaqe fora, kati tetoio. Eimaste mia akrws dhmokratikh xwra, poy sebetai ton anqrwpo, sebetai ton polith.

ELENOPOYLOS: Oi oktw stoxoi poy anaferate einai ierarxhmenoi stoxoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai oktw megala qemata, oktw desmeytikes proteraiothtes.

ELENOPOYLOS: Yparxei ierarxhsh aytwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas toys anefera, opws anaferqhkan sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Den shmainei oti to ena qema einai pio shmantiko apo to allo. Einai oktw megala zhthmata, einai oktw desmeytikes proteraiothtes. O kaqenas prepei na kanei th doyleia toy gia na ylopoihqoyn.

ELENOPOYLOS: Proypoqesh gia ton Prwqypoyrgo, opws mas eipate prin, gia na epityxei h kybernhsh toys stoxoys ths, einai h eswterikh synoxh ths kybernhshs kai toy PASOK. Kai zhthse na mhn yparxoyn gkrinies kai diaplhktismoi. Osoi briskomaste sthn aiqoysa ayth, apo to 1996, an oxi se kaqe Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h se Kybernhtikh Epitroph -toylaxiston, synedriash, para synedriash- exoyme thn idia parainesh. Exoyn paremblhqei tria Synedria kai tesseris-pente anasxhmatismoi kai o Prwqypoyrgos epanerxetai sthn idia @an qelete- parainesh. Erwtw poioi logoi thn epiballoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai aytonohto. H ennoia ths eswterikhs synoxhs ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos apotelei staqera kai monima proypoqesh gia na mporesoyme na doylecoyme swsta gia thn prowqhsh kai ylopoihsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Den mporw na arnhqw, oti sto parelqon yphrjan problhmata. Oi anafores toy Prwqypoyrgoy exoyn na kanoyn me thn anagkh toy na mhn epanalhfqoyn ayta ta problhmata. Na mhn janagyrisoyme se kriseis eswstrefeias, na mhn epanemfanistoyn dixastika fainomena.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epomenws, o Prwqypoyrgos diablepei oti yparxei kindynos gia kati tetoio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan zhtas na mh ginei kati, den shmainei, kat anagkh, pws diablepeis oti erxetai problhma. Einai mia ejoxws politikh topoqethsh, h opoia epishmainei kapoia pragmata gia na apofeyxqoyn. Giati ayto zhta kai o ellhnikos laos, ayto zhtoyn apo emas oi polites.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge, paei na profqasei kati; Etsi opws ta lete eseis twra, ayto bgainei; Exei kapoies plhrofories, akomh kai meta ton anasxhmatismo, kai paei na profqasei kati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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