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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Oktwbrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Kalhmera sas.

Einai h prwth mas synanthsh, me th nea idiothta moy, meta apo th xqesinh teleth paradoshs-paralabhs me to Dhmhtrh Reppa. Qa moy sygxwrhsete, loipon -epanalambanw kai shmera- tis dikaiologhmenes paraleiceis h laqh logw ths apeirias. Elpizw oti poly syntoma , qa mporw na antapokrinomai plhrws stis anagkes plhroforhshs kai epikoinwnias. Kai, bebaiws, na ejyphretoyme kai to leitoyrghma sas poy diadramatizei ayto ton idiaitera shmantiko rolo.

Eimai sth diaqesh sas gia opoiadhpote erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na moy peite poioi logoi epebalan sthn kybernhsh na balei ayta ta megala posa, eidika gia misqoys, gia tis apogeymatines episkeceis se giatro. Enas syntajioyxos, poy qa brei ayta ta xrhmata, na paei me 45.000 drx., ean xreiastei, to apogeyma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti den prokeitai gia ena kainoyrgio metro, alla gia thn efarmogh toy N.2889/2000. To metro ayto apoblepei sth diafaneia kai thn ejygiansh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti yphrxan giatroi, oi opoioi zhtoysan apo kapoioys na toys episkeptontai sta proswpika iatreia toys. H logikh toy arqroy aytoy toy nomoy, poy gnwrizete oti einai enas oloklhrwmenos nomos gia thn anabaqmish toy ESY, einai h diafaneia kai h ejygiansh. Einai na dwsei ena telos sthn katastash poy epikratoyse. Oysiastika prokeitai gia apogeymatina iatreia, ta opoia qa leitoyrgoyn apo toys idioys toys giatroys, ekeinoys, dhladh, poy problepei o nomos kai -an qymaste- prepei na exoyn mia periodo empeirias kai kapoioys baqmoys mesa sto ESY. Toys dinei, dhladh, th dynatothta na leitoyrgoyn idiwtiko iatreio mesa sto nosokomeio, bebaiws, ep` amoibh. Kai h amoibh ayth afora monon thn iatrikh episkech. Opoies ejetaseis apaitoyntai qa ryqmizontai symfwna me ta hdh dedomena twn kanonismwn twn tameiwn toy kaqe asfalismenoy. Anti, dhladh, o asfalismenos na paei sth synhqh iatrikh episkech, thn opoia ekane se kapoio iatreio, mporei thn idia episkech akribws na thn kanei sto nosokomeio, orismenes hmeres kai wres poy exoyn kaqoristei stoys giatroys poy exoyn ta prosonta poy problepei o nomos. Ayto den shmainei oti allazei kati, eite me toys asqeneis oi opoioi xrhzoyn noshleias sta nosokomeia, eite me th synhqh leitoyrgia twn ejwterikwn iatreiwn twn nosokomeiwn. Einai ena metro diafaneias kai ejygianshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me sygxwreite, entajei, ena metro diafaneias kai ejygianshs. Egw, omws, lew gia ta posa. Einai yperogka ayta ta posa gia na plhrwsei enas foykaras poy xtyphse to apogeyma.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prokeitai gia kapoion poy xtyphse to apogeyma. Aytos poy xtyphse to apogeyma qa exei th synhqh ejyphrethsh apo ta nosokomeia, eite ekeina poy efhmereyoyn, eite an prokeitai gia kati allo kai apo ekeina poy den efhmereyoyn. H efarmogh toy nomoy, o opoios den einai kai twrinos, einai palaioteros, den shmainei tipota diaforetiko gia thn ejyphrethsh toy asqenoys. O anqrwpos poy qa exei kapoio atyxhma, qa ejyphrethqei kanonika kai me toys shmerinoys oroys -prosejte, me toys shmerinoys oroys- apo ta nosokomeia poy efhmereyoyn h thn allh synhqh leitoyrgia toy ESY.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h Nea Dhmokratia zhthse na ginei enas elegxos olwn twn ypoyrgikwn prajewn poy eginan prin apo ton anasxhmatismo. Pws sxoliazete to gegonos ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Nea Dhmokratia kateqese, me mia seira ypografwn boyleytwn ths, mia aithsh kataqeshs eggrafwn, zhta oles tis dioikhtikes prajeis atomikoy h kanonistikoy xarakthra kai tis symbaseis poy ypografhkan metajy 15 ews kai 23 Oktwbrioy. Qewrw oti ayth h kinhsh apotelei mia akomh ekdhlwsh ths eykairiakhs politikhs, ths politikhs entypwsewn kai toy laikismoy poy akoloyqei h N.D. Einai safes oti prokeitai gia ekatontades, isws, kaqhmerinwn kanonistikwn prajewn kai symbasewn poy ypografontai apo ola ta ypoyrgeia. Ekeino poy prepei na ginei katanohto einai oti h kybernhsh den briskotan paramones eklogwn. Den yphrxe yphresiakh kybernhsh. Htan mia kybernhsh poy leitoyrgoyse kanonika mexri thn teleytaia stigmh toy anasxhmatismoy. Epomenws, oles oi prajeis kanonistikoy xarakthra h alles prajeis poy eprepe na ginoyn apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys h yfypoyrgoys h alla stelexh ths kybernhshs, eginan kanonika. Qelw, ejalloy, na qymisw oti akomh kai h aithsh kataqeshs eggrafwn einai mia lanqasmenh energeia. Idiaitera oson afora tis kanonistikes prajeis, aytes mporei na tis parei kaneis apo thn Efhmerida ths Kybernhsews. Dhmosieyontai, ws gnwston, sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhsews. Kai den yparxei kanena problhma. Qewrw, omws, oti einai mia kinhsh prospaqeias entypwsiasmoy, deixnei thn eykairiakh politikh kai to laikismo ths N.D. kai einai safes oti an qeloyn kati sygkekrimeno, tote bebaiws qa mporesoyme na apanthsoyme. Alla, na mas poyn ti sygkekrimeno qeloyn.

MIXAHL: Qelw na sas rwthsw, mhpws einai etoimo to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis epomenes hmeres; Den mas to anakoinwse o k. Reppas, th Deytera, opws ekane kaqe Deytera, dedomenoy oti eixame tis ejelijeis me ton anasxhmatismo. Shmera exoyme programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis epomenes hmeres;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei kapoies synanthseis. Twra synantatai me thn prwhn Yfypoyrgo Ygeias k. Spyrakh. Sth synexeia, qa synanthsei ton Ypoyrgo Epikrateias Stefano Manika kai meta ton prwhn yfypoyrgo PEXWDE Hlia Eyqymiopoylo. Aytes einai mexri stigmhs oi prosdiorismenes synanthseis. Apo th Deytera kanonika qa sas anakoinwsw to plhres programma toy prwqypoyrgoy gia olh thn ebdomada.

MIXAHL: Thn kybernhsh, polloi th xarakthrizoyn ws kybernhsh eklogikh. Apodexeste eseis ayto to xarakthrismo, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Den exei kamia sxesh me ekloges ayth h kybernhsh. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn kanonika sth lhjh ths tetraetias, to Martio toy 2004. H kybernhsh anasxhmatisthke, opws eixe proanaggeilei o Prwqypoyrgos, meta to Synedrio. Gyrizoyme mia nea selida. Exoyme ena neo jekinhma sthn politikh mas. Mia nea kybernhsh, meta ton anasxhmatismo, kaleitai na epitelesei apotelesmatika to kybernhtiko ergo. Ena kybernhtiko ergo poy exei orama kai stoxoys, ena kybernhtiko ergo to opoio me tolmh qa yphrethsoyme, gia na kanoyme th baqia metarryqmish poy xreiazetai, giati h diasfalish toy mellontos ths xwras kai ths koinwnias mas.

GIAKOYMHS: Qelw na epistrecw sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy k. Stamatopoyloy kai na sas rwthsw: H kybernhsh qewrei oti me th nea ryqmish twn idiwtikwn iatreiwn twn giatrwn sta nosokomeia, qa kleisoyn ta idiwtika iatreia poy exoyn oi giatroi ektos nosokomeioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws sas eipa einai ena metro diafaneias kai ejygianshs. Den einai kainoyrgio metro. Qelw na to jekaqarisoyme ayto. Einai gnwsto edw kai polloys mhnes. Exei perasei peripoy enas xronos apo tote poy chfisthke o sxetikos nomos gia thn anadiarqrwsh kai anabaqmish toy ESY. Efarmozetai stadiaka, symfwna me to xronodiagramma poy exei teqei. Eftase h wra twra na efarmostei kai h sxetikh diatajh, h opoia einai akrws ejygiantikh. Einai mia diatajh poy epitrepei sto fws ths hmeras na ginontai aytes oi kinhseis kai katw apo orismenes proypoqeseis. Ejalloy, opws gnwrizete, ta sxetika xrhmata katatiqentai kai sta logisthria twn nosokomeiwn. Pisteyw oti, qa perioristei h opoias morfhs parembash ginotan kai h metafora asqenwn apo kapoioys, ektos nosokomeioy, sto iatreio toys. Einai mia kinhsh poy ejygiainei oles aytes tis katastaseis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na sas rwthsw gia tis synanthseis poy eipate oti exei o Prwqypoyrgos me thn k. Spyrakh kai ton k. Eyqymiopoylo. Kat` arxhn, ean o Prwqypoyrgos protiqetai h sto programma toy yparxoyn kai alles synanthseis me prwhn melh ths kybernhshs h mhpws oi synanthseis aytes exoyn skopo thn ajiopoihsh ths k. Spyrakh kai toy k. Eyqymiopoyloy se kapoio allo posto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos dinei to xarakthra poy qelei stis synanthseis toy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa dei kai alloys apo aytoys poy exoyn apomakrynqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw, ayth th stigmh.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, peripoy thn wra poy ginotan h teleth paradoshs-paralabhs sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, eixame 12 parabiaseis ston eqniko enaerio xwro apo toyrkika aeroskafh, ejoplismena me pyrayloys aeros-aeros. Perasame mia megalh periodo sxetikhs hremias kai me periorismo twn parabiasewn. To teleytaio diasthma, loipon, exoyme jana mazikes parabiaseis kai proklhtikes dhlwseis apo thn pleyra ths @Agkyras. Na mhn tis ypenqymisw twra. Qelw na rwthsw, ti protiqetai na kanei apo edw kai pera h ellhnikh kybernhsh, kyriws pros th dieqnh koinothta, wste na epanelqei to klima hremias kai na apotrapoyn oi opoiesdhpote peraiterw proklhseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qeloyme na elpizoyme oti h Toyrkia den qa mpei se kapoio neo kyklo entashs. Yphrjan, ontws -piqanotata logw askhsewn poy ginontan sthn perioxh- kapoies parabiaseis. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti parakoloyqoyme poly stena olh ayth thn istoria. Lhfqhkan ola ta anagkaia metra gia thn anaxaitish twn toyrkikwn aeroskafwn. Qa ginoyn kai oi sxetikes diplwmatikes kinhseis. Na eiste bebaioi oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh parakoloyqei kaqe kinhsh ths toyrkikhs pleyras, panta me stoxo th diasfalish twn symferontwn ths xwras mas. Einai dedomenh kai jekaqarh h ellhnikh ejwterikh politikh. Qeloyme thn eirhnh, thn omalothta kai thn asfaleia sthn perioxh. Den paraxwroyme tipota, alla einai logiko na qeloyme mia kalh sxesh me thn toyrkikh pleyra. Ayto, bebaiws, den ejartatai mono apo emas. Elpizoyme oti h Toyrkia den qa mpei se ena neo kyklo ojynshs kai entashs. Kai pragmatika pisteyoyme oti ayto exoyn anagkh oloi oi laoi ths perioxhs.

BITALHS: Mia dieykrinish: Epeidh anaferqhkate, den yphrxe kamia programmatismenh toyrkikh askhsh, xqes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrxan askhseis, to teleytaio diasthma.

ANANIADHS: Me th synqesh ths neas kybernhshs anakoinwqhke enas kyklos yfypoyrgwn gia qemata twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Plhroforoymeqa oti kapoioi ypoyrgoi arnoyntai na paraxwrhsoyn armodiothtes stoys yfypoyrgoys toys. Qa hqela mia dieykrinish gi ayto to qema ki ena sxolio sas gia to ean yparxei anhsyxia gia to an qa xaqei xronos h pws qa syntonistoyn ta dyo epipeda ta opoia yparxoyn. Yparxei h diypoyrgikh. Qa parameinei; Mallon, lene oi plhrofories. Den yparxei fobos oti qa yparxei akomh megalyterh diaspora, perissotera kentra, ara kai megalyterh kaqysterhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw thn entypwsh oti biazeste. Den yparxei kaneis ypoyrgos, o opoios arneitai na dwsei armodiothtes. Den yfistatai kati tetoio. Ean qelete na sas dieykrinisw pws qa ginei h olympiakh proetoimasia, qa sas pw eyxaristws. Th Deytera yparxei mia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton ypoyrgo Politismoy Eyaggelo Benizelo, paroysia kai toy yfypoyrgoy Nasoy Aleyra kai toy Genikoy Grammatea Kwsta Kartalh. Qa einai kai o k. Xythrhs, o opoios, ws gnwston, qa analabei ola ta qemata epikoinwnias, oson afora thn olympiakh proetoimasia. Omws, einai safes oti qa synerxetai kai h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sthn opoia qa metexoyn oi armodioi ypoyrgoi. Ean, omws, oi armodioi ypoyrgoi exoyn ekxwrhsei oles tis sxetikes armodiothtes se kaqe yfypoyrgo kai to ektimoyn kai oi idioi, tote qa paristatai o armodios yfypoyrgos. Yparxei tetoio prohgoymeno, me emena. Einai to prohgoymeno ths parakoloyqhshs toy Olympiakoy Xwrioy, thn opoia moy eixe ekxwrhsei o k. Giannitshs kai gi ayto symmeteixa sthn epitroph ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Pera apo th Diypoyrgikh Epitroph, qa synerxetai kai h Omada Dioikhshs Ergoy, sthn opoia bebaiws qa metexoyn oi armodioi yfypoyrgoi h genikoi grammateis kata ypoyrgeio. Oi anqrwpoi, dhladh, poy qa einai orismenoi, kaqe fora, apo thn politikh hgesia toy kaqe ypoyrgeioy, gia na parakoloyqoyn thn olympiakh proetoimasia. Ayth th stigmh den yfistatai kanena qema allaghs.

ANANIADHS: Gia paradeigma, sto ypoyrgeio Ygeias, poios yfypoyrgos qa exei tis armodiothtes h o Genikos Grammateas;

PRWTOPAPAS: O ypoyrgos Ygeias qa metexei sth diypoyrgikh epitroph, opws qa metexoyn kai oloi oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi. Aytos poy qa analabei apo thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy, eite einai yfypoyrgos, eite Genikos Grammateas thn armodiothta ths olympiakhs proetoimasias, qa metexei kai sth Omada Dioikhshs Ergoy.

ANANIADHS: Ara, den yparxei yfypoyrgos Olympiakwn Agwnwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti qa yparxei kata ypoyrgeio melos ths politikhs hgesias, eite yfypoyrgos, eite Genikos Grammateas -ayto dhlwse kai o Prwqypoyrgos- o opoios qa einai armodios gia thn olympiakh proetoimasia. Otan me to kalo ypografoyn oi armodiothtes apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, qa plhroforhqeite ki eseis, poio fysiko proswpo, poio stelexos kata ypoyrgeio, qa exei thn armodiothta ths olympiakhs proetoimasias.

ARGYROS: Se synenteyjh toy shmera sto ``SKAI'' o k. Kefalogiannhs milhse gia ``sthmenoys'' diagwnismoys sto YPEXWDE kai eipe oti kamia etaireia den mporei na symmetasxei se enan diagwnismo, ean den kataqesei prosfora se mia yperaktia etaireia kypriakhs proeleyshs, thn etaireia TORWIN. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Kefalogiannhs qa prepei na prosexei poly kala prin kanei aytes tis synhqeis ``kataggelies'' toy , dioti oles exoyn apodeixqei mexri twra, anypostates. H N.D. fainetai oti synexizei ayth thn taktikh twn ewlwn kataggeliwn kai thn prospaqeia dhmioyrgias enos klimatos poy dhlhthriazei thn politikh zwh. Ayto deixnei thn adynamia ths politikhs ths. Pisteyw oti gia mia akomh fora xrhsimopoiei meqodoys katadikasmenes kai prospaqei me th lasph kai th spilwsh na dhmioyrghsei problhmata. Omws, gia mia fora akomh ayth h prospaqeia qa pesei sto keno. Eidate poy katelhje h N.D. kai pws fanhke h kenothta ths politikhs ths sth gnwsth ypoqesh toy Aerodromioy twn Spatwn.

MPOTWNHS: Yparxoyn plhrofories oti h hgesia ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn allagh sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Mhpws etsi anoigei o dromos gia th synanthsh Prwqypoyrgoy-Arxiepiskopoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto den to gnwrizw. Ean exete plhrofories, emeis den tis exoyme. Panta sebomaste kai timoyme thn Ekklhsia ths Elladas kai to qesmo toy Arxiepiskopoy. Qelw na jekaqarisw oti to qema twn taytothtwn exei kleisei. Yparxei kai h dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Synedrio toy PASOK poy kleinei oristika to sxetiko qema. Gia ta loipa qemata -poy eyxaristws mporei na syzhthqoyn- yparxei mia ekkremhs synanthsh metajy toy ypoyrgoy Paideias kai antiproswpeias ths Ekklhsias, h opoia anamenetai na pragmatopoihqei.

KARGOYDH: Epi 19 hmeres bombardizetai to Afganistan. Kapoies xwres ths Eyrwphs, metajy aytwn h Germania kai h Gallia, epishmainoyn to meizon anqrwpistiko qema poy gennatai apo toys prosfyges , alla kai apo ta plhgmata kata twn amaxwn, kai arxizei na diamorfwnetai ena klima oti eite mexri to Ramazani, eite to syntomotero dynato, qa prepei ayth h politikh, dhladh, oi polemikes epixeirhseis na laboyn telos, wste na perasoyme se politikh lysh. H Ellada pws steketai apenanti se aytes tis ejelijeis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh oydepote epiqymei na ginetai polemos. Einai safes oti h qetikh stash ths apenanti stis epixeirhseis kata ths tromokratias epiblhqhke me bash sygkekrimenes synqhkes. Kaneis den mporei na dexqei thn tromokratia giati einai mia bradyfleghs bomba sta qemelia twn Dhmokratiwn. Ypo ayth thn ennoia, h Ellada syntaxqhke me th Dieqnh Koinothta stis prospaqeies gia thn katapolemhsh ths tromokratias. Qelw na qymisw oti h Ellada, h E.E. exei staqei antiqeth sto endexomeno dieyrynshs twn stoxwn se alles xwres, ektos ean apolytws dikaiologhmena kai sto plaisio twn apofasewn ths E.E. prokycei kati allo. Antiqesh h opoia, ejalloy, exei ekdhlwqei, oxi mono apo thn idia thn E.E., alla kai apo ta krath-melh ths. Ayth th stigmh th xwra mas thn apasxolei idiaiterws to qema twn amaxwn. Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn apofaseis ths E.E. oi opoies kaloyn tis xwres poy symmetexoyn stis epixeirhseis na mh xtyphsoyn amaxoys. Yparxei kai to megalo qema ths diaxeirishs toy anqrwpistikoy problhmatos. H xwras mas diadramatizei enan energo rolo se ayta ta qemata. Opws gnwrizete, exei analabei kai th bohqeia poy qa prosferei se ena stratopedo amaxwn kai prosfygwn sthn perioxh toy Iran kai, epishs, gnwrizete oti exei katateqei, hdh, ena megalo xrhmatiko poso sth Dieqnh Armosteia gia toys prosfyges, poy qa xrhsimopoihqei gia thn anakoyfish toys.

MOYRTZHS: H synqesh ths kybernhshs einai apokleistiko syntagmatiko pronomio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Alla, epeidh yparxoyn kriseis, sxolia kai eikasies oti o k. Pagkalos plhrwse th mh symmetoxh toy sthn kybernhsh, giati den eisakoyse th systash toy Prwqypoyrgoy na mh qesei ypochfiothta sto E.G.. dhladh, na mhn apodexqei thn ``koptatsia'', qa hqela ena sxolio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. H synqesh ths kybernhshs einai apokleistiko qema toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kata to Syntagma mas. Me bash thn apotelesmatikothta ths kybernhshs toy o Prwqypoyrgos ekane th synqesh, h opoia anakoinwqhke proxqes. Ayto poy qelw na eyxhqw ston k. Pagkalo einai na toy zhsoyn ta didyma agorakia toy kai na ta dei opws epiqymei kalytera.

MOYRTZHS: Poia einai h proqesh ths kybernhshs gia ton mhtropolitiko Dhmo. Giati o k. Abramopoylos eipe pro oligwn hmerwn oti qa epanejetasei isws thn ypochfiothta toy pali sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas, ean ginei mhtropolitikos. Xqes, o k. Skandalidhs eipe oti aytos prwtos proteine to 1995 th metabolh toy Dhmoy se mhtropolitiko, afhnontas anoikto to qema. Yparxoyn sxolia oti paraskhniaka ginetai ena idiotypo politiko pazari sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas. Ti lete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanena pazari den ginetai sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas. Oson afora ta ypoloipa qemata poy qesate, den exoyn jekinhsei sto PASOK sxetikes syzhthseis. Ayto, omws, einai ena qema toy PASOK, den prepei na sas enhmerwsw egw. Ayto poy exw na sas pw, se sxesh me ton kybernhtiko tomea einai oti o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn qa enhmerwqei kai qa proetoimasei, se xrono poy o idios qa kaqorisei, tis eishghseis toy gia ola ayta ta zhthmata.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h nea kybernhsh xreiazetai, zhta periodo xaritos. H N.D. eipe oti den dinei periodo xaritos. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs; Giati eipate pro oligoy gia kapoia organwtika problhmata, se o,ti afora ta yfypoyrgeia gia thn organwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den milhsa gia kanena organwtiko problhma. Edwsa kapoies apanthseis gia na dieykrinisw pws qa ginei h olympiakh proetoimasia. H kybernhsh oydepote zhthse periodo xaritos. Synexizei to ergo ths. Bgainei akomh pio isxyro to PASOK kai h kybernhsh toy apo to Synedrio. O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths phre thn kaqarh kai dynath entolh poy zhthse kai proxwrame, ayth th stigmh, akoma pio dynata sthn ylopoihsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

GIAKOYMHS: Gia to qema toy mhtropolitikoy Dhmoy. Se periptwsh poy dhmioyrghqei mhtropolitikos Dhmos sthn Aqhna kai me to dedomeno oti o k. Abramopoylos afhnei anoikto to endexomeno na diekdikhsei kai pali to Dhmo ths Aqhnas, to PASOK skeftetai na ton yposthrijei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai kybernhtikos ekproswpos kai oxi ekproswpos toy PASOK kai qa hqela apo thn arxh na to jekaqarisoyme ayto. Yparxei kainoyrgios Grammateas sto PASOK, yparxei kainoyrgio E.G. kai gia ta qemata toy kommatos qa enhmerwneste apo to komma.

GIAKOYMHS: H kybernhsh estw;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh den yposthrizei proswpa gia toys Dhmarxoys. Apo kei kai pera, den ypekfeygw sthn erwthsh sas. Kanw safh th diakrish twn armodiothtwn, dioti pisteyw oti oi kaloi logariasmoi kanoyn toys kaloys filoys. Oson afora th dhmioyrgia h mh mhtropolitikoy Dhmoy, exw, hdh, apanthsei. O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn Kwstas Skandalidhs, ws armodios ypoyrgos, exei pei oti qa enhmerwqei, qa etoimasei tis dikes toy eishghseis kai qa tis ferei otan kai opws aytos krinei sta kybernhtika organa. Tipota allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Farmakhs paradidontas, xqes, eipe oti o idios kai o k. Giannitshs emeinan mono me to asfalistiko kai oti oloi oi alloi ypoyrgoi eginan lagoi, symperilambanomenoy kai esas. Den sas ejairese. Gi ayto qa hqela na rwthsw, apodexeste oti ginate oloi lagoi kai to afhsate to asfalistiko stoys dyo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw th gnwmh oti kai ej aitias twn swmatikwn moy prosontwn -as to pw etsi- kai na qelw, den mporw na ginw lagos!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Metaforikh htan h ennoia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na tonisw oti eixa mia poly kalh synergasia me to Niko Farmakh mexri thn teleytaia stigmh. Htan pragmatika ejairetikh h doyleia poy ekane o k. Farmakhs sto yfypoyrgeio Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn. Kai pisteyw oti qa meinoyme me tis kalyteres anamnhseis apo th synergasia mas, h opoia qa synexistei, bebaiws, me tis nees idiothtes mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To asfalistiko qa synexistei me tis protaseis toy k. Giannitsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete poly kala me poio tropo qa synexistei to asfalistiko. Sto Synedrio mas phrame omofwna, anagkastika xrhsimopoiw to komma edw, giati einai qema kybernhtikhs epiloghs, apofaseis me oktw shmeia, oi opoies mas desmeyoyn. Fysika to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn qa epejergastei ta eidika zhthmata poy syndeontai me to asfalistiko. Exei prohghqei mia shmantikh proetoimasia kaq` olh th diarkeia twn qerinwn mhnwn kai toys prwtoys mhnes toy Fqinopwroy, ypo thn epopteia twn kyriwn Giannitsh kai Farmakh. Exei leitoyrghsei mia episthmonikh epitroph, h opoia eixe thn eyxereia na synanthsei kai ekproswpoys twn koinwnikwn etairwn se episthmoniko epipedo, prokeimenoy na ejetastoyn ola ta symperasmata ths analogistikhs meleths toy bretanikoy Oikoy. Hdh, ginontai oi telikes proetoimasies. Bebaiws, qa yparjoyn kai epejergasies, protaseis kai "pinelies" -kai ayto einai para poly fysiko- ths neas politikhs hgesias kai poly syntoma qa eimaste se qesh na jekinhsoyme to neo kyklo dialogoy gia to asfalistiko, me bash kai tis kateyqynseis poy exoyn doqei apo tis apofaseis toy Synedrioy mas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na zhthsw to sxolio sas oxi gia thn aqwwsh toy Lesperogloy, to tonizw. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th drasthriothta twn diwktikwn yphresiwn asfaleias meta thn aqwwsh Lesperogloy kai me dedomenh pleon ayth.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws jerete den krinoyme dikastikes apofaseis. Ayto ta leei ola, Apo ekei kai pera den nomizw oti yphrxe kati to ejairetiko h kati poy na dhmioyrgei problhmata gia kapoia Arxh.

PITTARAS: Symfwna me th dhmoskophsh ths ALCO poy paroysiase xqes to Tempo, ta dyo trita twn Ellhnwn poy rwthqhkan, fainetai oti den einai ikanopoihmenoi apo th synqesh kai th morfh ths kybernhshs. Qelw to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw th gnwmh oti prepei na diabasete prosektika th dhmoskophsh. Dioti, opws jerete, stis etaireies dhmoskophsewn yparxei to "poly ikanopoihmenos" kai to "ikanopoihmenos". Qa symboyleya na aqroisete kai ta dyo mazi.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, blepoyme prwtoselida shmera gia paraineseis, entoles, aysthres proeidopoihseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Deka entoles sygkekrimena, efta, oktw ton ariqmo. Giati to ekane xqes o prwqypoyrgos kai den to ekane sthn prohgoymenh kybernhsh; Kai an to ekane poia problhmata yphrjan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, panta o Prwqypoyrgos sto prwto ypoyrgiko symboylio poy ginetai, ws eiqistai, meta ton anasxhmatismo jekaqarizei kapoia pragmata, qetei toys stoxoys ths kybernhshs. Dinei kai orismenes entoles gyrw apo ta leitoyrgika ths zhthmata. Opws jerete kai xqes edwse kapoies odhgies gia th synergasia twn ypoyrgeiwn, gia ta qemata poy syndeontai me th dhmosionomikh peiqarxia, opws epishs kai kapoies dieykriniseis poy aforoyn thn olympiakh proetoimasia. Alla, to kentriko shmeio ths omilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy, xqes, den htan ayto. To kentriko shmeio eixe na kanei me thn yparjh toy oramatos, twn stoxwn kai ths tolmhs ayths ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei dynamika mprosta. O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, ypogrammise, gia mia akomh fora, oti to orama mas einai panta h isxyrh Ellada, me isxyrh kai enwmenh koinwnia. Epishs, tonise oti stoxoi mas einai h proodos, h anaptyjh, h diaxysh ths eyhmerias se oso to dynaton perissoteroys polites, to neo koinwniko kratos kai h endynamwsh ths dieqnoys qeshs ths xwras. Akomh eipe oti me tolmh kai apofasistikothta qa proxwrhsoyme se oles tis anagkaies metarryqmiseis, tis allages gia to baqy eksygxronismo poy xreiazetai h xwra gia na diasfalisei to mellon ths mesa stis nees synqhkes. Exoyme, loipon, kai orama kai stoxoys kai tolmh. Ayto einai to kentriko shmeio ths xqesinhs omilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se ena allo shmeio ths xqesinhs toy omilias sto prwto ypoyrgiko symboylio, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane paraineseis oti den prepei na yparjei kataspatalhsh twn xrhmatwn toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ti wqhse ton Prwqypoyrgo na kanei aytes tis paraineseis. Yphrje kati tetoio apo thn prohgoymenh synqesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ayto einai ena idiaitera krisimo zhthma. Prepei oi dhmosionomikes ejelijeis kai prooptikes na apoteloyn antikeimeno ths prosoxhs olwn mas. Eimaste se mia idiaitera eyaisqhth periodo, opws jerete. Ola ayta ta zhthmata poy exoyn prokycei meta tis 11 Septembrioy, opws kai h anataraxh poy yparxei sthn perioxh ths Meshs Anatolhs, dhmioyrgoyn problhmata sthn pagkosmia oikonomia. Ayta ta qemata xrhzoyn idiaiterhs prosoxhs. Kai epeidh "twn fronimwn ta paidia prin peinasoyn mageireyoyn", einai logiko h xwra mas, h Kybernhsh mas na lambanei ola ta anagkaia metra apo prin kai na dinei th deoysa prosoxh se oles tis oikonomikes ejelijeis, prokeimenoy na einai plhrws proetoimasmenh gia na antimetwpisei opoiodhpote problhma. Me ayth thn ennoia, einai fysiko o Prwqypoyrgos na qelei ton elegxo twn dapanwn gia na ejasfalistei h staqerothta poy xreiazetai h oikonomia gia na proxwrhsei dynamika.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh bghke enisxymenh meta to Synedrio toy PASOK, to opoio, bebaiws, htan mia diadikastikh, kaqara kommatikh ekdhlwsh. Ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti eiste perissotero enisxymenoi apo thn periodo poy yphrxe h krish kai proxwrhsate sto Synedrio, mexri shmera poy teleiwse to Synedrio kai egine kai o anasxhmatismos. Yparxei kapoios apoxrwn logos poy sas dinei ayth thn aisiodojia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwta apo ola, yparxei to idio to kybernhtiko ergo. Kai nomizw, xwris na exoyme anagkh piqana kapoies metrhseis kai dhmoskophseis, oti opoios exei amesh sxesh me thn koinwnia, katanoei oti to idio to kybernhtiko ergo olwn twn teleytaiwn mhnwn exei dhmioyrghsei mia diaforetikh eikona, ena diaforetiko klima, ena poly kalytero klima gia thn kybernhsh mas. Den mporoyme, omws, na paragnwrizoyme oti se mia koryfaia diadikasia, opws htan to Synedrio toy PASOK, o Kwstas Shmiths phre thn kaqarh kai dynath entolh poy zhthse. Den mporoyme na paragnwrizoyme oti yphrxan omofwnes -kai to tonizw ayto- apofaseis gyrw apo tis politikes qeseis mas. Kai, bebaiws, einai logiko to Synedrio ayto na apotelei to bathra ths dikhs mas antepiqeshs mesa sthn koinwnia gia na ylopoihsoyme to ergo mas. Na ylopoihsoyme ayto gia to opoio exoyme desmeytei enanti toy ellhnikoy laoy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Yparxei ki ena ypoloipo apo ton k. Xythrh, o opoios twra den einai edw. Moy eixe yposxeqei oti qa diereynhsei mia erwthsh poy toy eixa qesei proxqes, ean exoyn kleisei 20 fylakia sta synora ths Kentrikhs Makedonias apo ta 30 poy yparxoyn. Den moy apanthse. Epifylaxqhke na moy dwsei mia tetoia enhmerwsh. Kai to syndew ayto to erwthma kai me ayta poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos proxqes sth Synodo Koryfhs sth Gandh gia toys laqrometanastes kai ti metra qa labete gia na antimetwpisete ayth thn katastash poy yparxei shmera, to teleytaio xroniko diasthma. Dhladh, sta taktika aktoploika dromologia, proseteqhsan kai dromologia metaforas metanastwn. Kaqe hmera exoyme kai ena tetoio ektakto dromologio. Qa synexistei ayth h katastash;

PRWTOPAPAS: To gegonos oti anakalyptontai kai parempodizontai, en pash periptwsei, aytes oi kinhseis exei na kanei kai me ta metra poy exoyn lhfqei. Kai pragmati, exoyn lhfqei poly shmantika metra- panta sto metro toy dynatoy- oson afora th fylajh twn synorwn mas. H Ellada einai mia xwra anoikth se opoiadhpote morfh epikoinwnias kai sygkoinwniwn. Poly perissotero sto xwro ths naysiploias, opoy ta qalassia synora mas einai poly megala. Ta nhsia mas froyroyntai gia na mhn eiserxontai laqrometanastes. Kai bebaiws yparxoyn kai ta eidika swmata sta synora mas, poy opws gnwrizete exoyn dhmioyrghqei ta teleytaia xronia. Pisteyw oti den xreiazetai na ginei kati allo. Omws, xreiazetai na prosexoyme. Yparxei mia astaqeia poy exei dhmioyrghqei se kapoies xwres ths Meshs Anatolhs, me apotelesma na ayjanoyn ta kymata laqrometanastwn poy proerxontai apo ekei. Emeis qa synexisoyme na lambanoyme ola ta anagkaia metra.

Oson afora thn eidikh erwthsh sas, qa moy epitrecete na sas apanthsw ayrio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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