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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Septembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas:

Ayth thn wra synantatai me to Gallo Prwqypoyrgo Lionel Zospen poy brisketai sthn Ellada. Sto prwto tmhma ths synanthshs toys, syzhthsan oi dyo Prwqypoyrgoi kat` idian. Sto deytero tmhma symmetexoyn sth syzhthsh kai oi Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn twn dyo xwrwn.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, synedriazei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, opws sas exw hdh anakoinwsei, me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn eisagwgh kai xrhsimopoihsh toy "Eyrw" sth xwra mas. Sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy qa symmetasxei kai o Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados, me toys ypodioikhtes ths.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10.30 to prwi, qa episkefqei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, sto plaisio twn taktikwn synanthsewn toys, prokeimenoy na ton enhmerwsei gia tis ejelijeis, oson afora qemata eswterikhs kai ejwterikhs politikhs. Argotera, stis 2 to meshmeri, qa dexqei ton k. Giannakh Omhroy poy einai o Proedros toy politikoy kommatos ths Kyproy KISOS.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa proedreysei se syskech, me eyreia symmetoxh, gia ta sygxrhmatodotoymena erga. Argotera, sth 1 to meshmeri, qa episkefqei to Dhmo Liosiwn, opoy qa paradoqoyn se polites poy exoyn plhgei apo to seismo peripoy 100 nees katoikies, opws eixame ejaggeilei.

Thn Paraskeyh, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei gia th Soyhdia, opoy qa parei meros sth synanthsh twn hgetwn sth Diaskech gia thn proodeytikh diakybernhsh ston 21o aiwna.

Qa moy epitrecete, prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, na sas pw oti paroysiazoyme shmera, me synoptiko tropo to plaisio drashs se kaqe ypoyrgeio, to opoio qa exete sth diaqesh sas me thn oloklhrwsh ths syzhthshs mas. Oi politikoi stoxoi einai metrhsimoi, kaqws epishs kai ta metra poy odhgoyn sthn epiteyjh twn stoxwn aytwn. To triptyxo ths kybernhtikhs politikhs sympyknwnetai sthn arxh ths anaptyjhs poy xarakthrizei thn politikh mas, sthn oikodomhsh toy neoy koinwnikoy kratoys kai sthn endynamwsh ths dieqnoys qeshs ths xwras mas.

Pisteyoyme oti me ayta ta politika protagmata odhgoymaste sthn isxyrh koinwnia, sthn isxyrh Ellada toy 2004. Aytos einai kai o orizontas toy sxedioy, to opoio paroysiazoyme shmera.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw poia einai telikws h diadikasia sthn kaqierwmenh synenteyjh Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Pws ginetai h epilogh twn erwthsewn;

REPPAS: Oi erwthseis einai toses oses epitrepei o xronos poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas. Kata ta alla, symfwna kai me to endiaferon poy exoyn ekdhlwsei oi synadelfoi sas, opws ayto to exoyme katagracei me toys synergates mas, dinoyme to logo stoys ekproswpoys twn MME, prokeimenoy na diatypwsoyn tis erwthseis toys. Sto plaisio mias tetoias synenteyjhs pantote kai sto parelqon, alla kai sto mellon qa epanalhfqei, exoyme ena problhma: Den einai dynaton oloi, osoi endiaferontai, na diatypwsoyn erwthseis.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Tote poios o logos na briskontai ekei;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti emeis kaloyme toys dhmosiografoys na parakoloyqhsoyn tis ekdhlwseis, tis diadikasies, sto plaisio ths DEQ. Einai dikh toys h prwtoboylia symmetoxhs kai eyxaristoyme gi ayto.

KWSTANTHS: Na to qesw kapws alliws: Ti prepei na kanei kapoios poy ekproswpei mia mesaias kykloforias efhmerida, wste na ypobalei erwthseis ston Prwqypoyrgo stis oytws h allws liges, elaxistes synenteyjeis poy exei paraxwrhsei apo to 1996 mexri shmera poy einai Prwqypoyrgos ki eseis me poia krithria, en pash periptwsei, dinete tis erwthseis, emmenontas tosa xronia twra, sxedon panomoiotypa, sta idia Mesa, apokleiontas kapoia alla kai sygkekrimena thn efhmerida poy ekproswpw;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, h epanalhch toy idioy tropoy deixnei oti akoloyqoyme enan orismeno dromo, kapoioys sygkekrimenoys kanones. Ayto einai kalo, einai qetiko, den einai arnhtiko. An oi erwthseis poy diatypwnontai epitrepoyn syntomes apanthseis, tote dinetai h dynatothta se oso ginetai perissoteroys na qetoyn erwthseis. Otan diatypwnontai makroskeleis erwthseis, poy anaferontai se qemata genikhs politikhs h erwthseis me polla skelh, antilambaneste pws ayto ej antikeimenoy apobainei se baros twn synadelfwn sas. Gi ayto, epishmana apo thn arxh -moy dinete thn eykairia na to prajw akomh mia fora- oti ayto prepei na apofeygetai.

KWSTANTHS: Na oloklhrwsoyme me ayto to qema, giati symbainei me sas ola ayta ta xronia. Prepei na dwsoyme ki emeis kapoies apanthseis se aytoys poy mas rwtane, giati ginetai ayto to pragma. Eseis eiste kai o ypeyqynos Ypoyrgos Typoy, metajy allwn, kai gia th qespish orwn isonomias kai ygioys antagwnismoy twn MME. Qewreite oti h stash sas synadei me ayth thn ypoxrewsh sas;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti me thn paroysia kai thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme, edw sto Ypoyrgeio, exoyme katorqwsei pragmati na ejasfalisoyme, se megalo baqmo, aytoys toys kanones ths isonomias. Alla, sas parakalw na bohqhsete perissotero ki eseis, toso emas, oso kai toys eaytoys sas.

KWSTANTHS: Pws na toys bohqhsoyme; Den mporoysate na dwsete fetos alles dyo-treis erwthseis, giati den htan kai o polys kosmos, yphrxe xronos@

REPPAS: Htan polloi oi endiaferomenoi@

KWNSTANTHS: Kapoy aposkopei@

REPPAS: Sas parakalw, einai dynaton; Qelete na peite oti o stoxos mas einai na apokleisoyme esas apo th dynatothta na diatypwsete erwthseis;

KWNSTANTHS: Oxi. Ejhghste moy, omws, giati symbainei ayto;

REPPAS: Me ayto poy eipate qigete toys synadelfoys sas@

KWNSTANTHS: Kamia sxesh den exei, to jerete poly kala. Ti qa allaze an rwtoysan alloi dyo-treis synadelfoi;

REPPAS: Ayto poy qa allaze -poly apla qa sas apanthsw- einai eseis men na eiste ikanopoihmenos kai na diamartyretai kapoios allos dipla sas, o opoios den qa eixe rwthsei.

KWNSTANTHS: Den einai etsi. Kai kati allo: Giati ta alla kommata, kai na meinoyme sth Nea Dhmokratia poy einai to allo megalo komma, se aytes tis synenteyjeis pantote dinei to logo se osoys toylaxiston to zhtane. Emeis den zhtame kati tetoio, na dinete to logo se osoys to zhtane, alla en pash periptwsei, kapoioi poy exoyn mia synexh paroysia se aytes tis synenteyjeis@

REPPAS: Se kaqe synenteyjh Typoy, h opoia opws oloi dexeste exei mia orismenh diarkeia -kai h diarkeia ayths ths synenteyjhs Typoy eftase th miamish wra- logiko einai kapoioi na mhn exoyn telikws, logw aytoy toy xronikoy periorismoy, th dynatothta na diatypwsoyn thn erwthsh toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, se mia apanthsh toy eipe oti o k. Ebert ypejairese ayto to eggrafo gia th DEKA. Den gnwrize thn anakoinwsh ths Enwshs Eisaggelewn poy eipe oti o k. Ebert ws mhnyths eixe ennomo symferon kai enhmerwqhke proforika; To gnwrize ayto;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den eipe oti to ypejairese o k. Ebert. Eqese ena erwthma kai perimenei apanthsh gia to pws ypejaireqhke ayto to keimeno. Giati einai bebaio oti kapoioi exoyn ypoch toys ayto to keimeno. Alliws, den qa efqanan sth qesh na diatypwnoyn to symperasma oti prokyptoyn poinikes eyqynes gia ypoyrgoys. O k. Ebert kai polla stelexh ths N.D., me megalh eykolia ekdidoyn dikastikes apofaseis. Miloyn gia poinikes eyqynes ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs. Gnwrizete, omws, oti ayto den einai armodiothtas eisaggelea. H idia h Boylh, se aytes tis periptwseis, paizei to rolo toy eisaggelea sto plaisio toy syntagmatikoy kai nomikoy systhmatos poy isxyei sth xwra mas. H N.D. mporei na xrhsimopoihsei to swma ths Boylhs, afoy exei ton aparaithto ariqmo boyleytwn, ara kai tis ypografes poy problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs, gia na kinhsei ayth th diadikasia. Den xreiazetai th mesolabhsh opoioydhpote eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy. To oti prosfeygei stoys eisaggeleis to kanei gia profaneis logoys, prokeimenoy na toys prosetairistei kai na xrhsimopoihsei, kata kapoio tropo, kapoioys eisaggeleis akoma kai ws kommatarxes, wste na dwsei thn entypwsh sthn koinh gnwmh oti gia to qema ayto miloyn eisaggeleis, enw h N.D. exei ayth th dynatothta, xwris na prosfygei stoys eisaggelikoys leitoyrgoys. Na qesei to qema sth Boylh kai me sygkekrimeno ariqmo ypografwn na zhthsei th systash kai ejetastikhs kai proanakritikhs Epitrophs. Giati, prosfeygontas stoys eisaggeleis, den anamenei kapoio allo apotelesma, afoy oi eisaggeleis den exoyn armodiothta, opws problepei to Syntagma, na asxolhqoyn me qemata poy aforoyn thn poinikh eyqynh ypoyrgwn. Einai profanhs, loipon, h skopimothta. As mhn krybomaste pisw apo to daktylo mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai eseis edw lete, oti ama exei stoixeia na ta paei ston eisaggelea. Ma, ayto ekane o k. Ebert. Eixe ta stoixeia kai ta phge ston eisaggelea. Twra poy den sas symferei, lete na paei sth Boylh. Ti isxyei, dhladh;

REPPAS: Xairomai poy qesate ayth thn erwthsh, giati h N.D. xrhsimopoiei ayto ton isxyrismo ston opoio qa apanthsw eyqys amesws. Pragmati, leme oti an kapoios exei stoixeia gia otidhpote poy afora mia mempth epilogh toy...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai ston Kach to eipe.

REPPAS: Bebaiws -to epanalambanw ki egw twra- prepei na apeyqynetai ston eisaggelea. Ayto einai mia genikh qesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis lete alla.

REPPAS: Giati me diakoptete; Toso poly sas enoxlei otan mila aytos, ton opoio kaleite na apanthsei; Giati me rwtate tote; Ma, den jerete oti, otan diatypwnetai erwthsh, akoloyqei apanthsh apo emena; To jerete ayto. Mhn kanete erwthseis, an den qelete na ektiqeste toso. Moy dinete, loipon, thn eykairia kai sas eyxaristw gia th bohqeia sas, na apanthsw kai se ayto ton asthrixto isxyrismo ths N.D. Pragmati isxyei aytos o genikos kanonas oti opoios exei stoixeia qa prepei na apeyqynetai stoys eisaggeleis, prokeimenoy na apodoqoyn eyqynes se aytoys poy endexomenws exoyn gia opoiodhpote qema, gia opoiadhpote ypoqesh. Oson afora, omws, to endexomeno poinikwn eyqynwn ypoyrgwn, gia to Syntagma mas, poy orizei ena safes plaisio, tetoio qema antimetwpizetai jekaqara apo thn idia th Boylh. Den exei armodiothta opoiosdhpote eisaggelikos leitoyrgos. Ara, den isxyei ayto poy leei h N.D. H N.D. monh ths mporei na syllejei ypografes, na kataqesei to sxetiko aithma-protash gia th systash mias tetoias epitrophs. Den xreiazetai thn parembash twn eisaggelewn. Giati prosfeygei stoys eisaggeleis; Giati epixeirei na toys xrhsimopoihsei se ayth thn politikh meqodeysh ths, afoy o,ti ki an kanoyn oi eisaggeleis den ephreazei to pws akribws qa kinhqei h Boylh kai qa labei thn apofash ths; Giati to kanei ayto h N.D.; Gia logoys poy oloi antilambaneste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, eseis to lete na paei ekei.

REPPAS: To eipa kai shmera kai qa to leme panta, giati se mia eynomoymenh Politeia....

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati me diakoptete;

REPPAS: Ma, den kanete allh erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, den teleiwsa. Erwthsh kanw kai lew oti eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos lete na pane ston eisaggelea. Kai ston k. Kach thn allh fora poy eipe kapoia stoixeia, oti kapoioi ta pairnoyn, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos eipe na paei ston eisaggelea. Den ton dexqhke kaqoloy. Kai otan paei ston eisaggelea kai kanei mhnysh, o eisaggeleas prepei na enhmerwsei kai to mhnyth gia to apotelesma, ti egine. Kai molis ton enhmerwnei, lete eseis oti ypejairese to eggrafo.

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti aytos einai o kanonas poy isxyei se mia eynomoymenh Politeia. Pragmati, gia opoia ypoqesh -kai th sygkekrimenh poy afora to IKA h opoia allh- opoios diaqetei stoixeia prepei na prosfeygei ston eisaggelea. Apo ekei kai pera, gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma poy afora endexomenes poinikes eyqynes ypoyrgwn, to Syntagma mas orizei safws poio einai to plaisio. Oi eisaggeleis den exoyn kamia armodiothta na antimetwpizoyn tetoio qema. To antimetwpizei h Boylh. Kai h N.D., me bash ta osa problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs, diaqetei ton aparaithto ariqmo boyleytwn, ara kai ypografwn, gia na kinhsei ayth th diadikasia. Kai den to kanei ayto h N.D. Prosfeygei stoys eisaggeleis, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis. Epixeirei na xrhsimopoihsei eisaggeleis, sto plaisio ths dhmioyrgias entypwsewn. Sto plaisio ayths ths politikhs meqodeyshs ths, adiaforei an etsi plhttetai h ellhnikh oikonomia -kai milw pleon gia th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh- kai telikws, an etsi me thn politikh ths stash strefetai enantion twn symferontwn twn politwn. Gi` ayto apostasiopoioyntai oi polites apo th N.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra poy efqase to qema sth Boylh, h kybernhsh qa to proxwrhsei; Efqase ston Proedro ths Boylhs ena eggrafo, to opoio den jeroyme akoma ti leei akribws. H kybernhsh qa to proxwrhsei;

REPPAS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. H N.D. einai ayth poy qa prepei na dwsei apanthseis. Kai h N.D., ws komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, exei tis texnikes diadikastikes proypoqeseis, opws orizei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs, gia na labei tis sxetikes prwtoboylies, alla kai th megalh politikh eyqynh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, ebgale to apotelesma ths dikhs, oti den exei kanenas eyqynes. Einai dikasths, ti einai;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kapoios, ayth thn wra, poy na diapistwnei thn apoch oti yparxoyn poinikes eyqynes ypoyrgwn. Oydeis to leei ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poy to jerete;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kaneis poy na to isxyrizetai ayto, ektos isws apo esas. An h N.D., loipon, exei ayth th qesh, qa mporoyse edw kai poly kairo, polloys mhnes prin, na eixe analabei th sxetikh prwtoboylia, xwris na anamenei to eisaggeliko eggrafo. Giati, ta stoixeia gia ta opoia syzhtoyme, htan gnwsta edw kai peripoy ena xrono. Exoyn syzhthqei, kat` epanalhch, sth Boylh, toso sthn Olomeleia, oso kai stis armodies koinoboyleytikes epitropes. Den exei prokycei kati allo, giati ayth h anafora sth leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, stamata xronika stis ekloges toy Aprilioy toy 2000 h ligo meta. Tosoi mhnes exoyn perasei. Anelabe h N.D. kapoia prwtoboylia gia na anazhthqoyn poinikes eyqynes ypoyrgwn; Oxi. Anemene to eisaggeliko eggrafo. Ma, ayto den exei kamia epiptwsh, giati oi eisaggeleis den exoyn tetoia armodiothta, opws rhta problepei to Syntagma. Pros ti, loipon, ayto to politiko paixnidi, to opoio epixeirei h N.D. se baros twn qesmwn kai toy kyroys ths Dikaiosynhs; Ayto einai to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, den exei dikaiwma o eisaggeleas; Poses fores den stelnei eggrafa kai zhta thn arsh asylias boyleytwn kai ypoyrgwn; Den exei to dikaiwma ayto; Toy to afaireite kai ayto to dikaiwma;

REPPAS: Mplekete orismena pragmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mplekw.

REPPAS: Einai allo h diadikasia ths asylias kai allo h apodosh poinikwn eyqynwn. Kai prepei na sas pw, se teleytaia analysh, oti o eisaggeleas, opws orizei to Syntagma, opws anaferetai kai sthn egkyklio toy prwhn eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy k. Dhmopoyloy, ayto poy prepei na kanei einai h aplh diabibash eggrafwn sth Boylh. O,ti katateqei ston eisaggelea, efoson afora ypoyrgo, stelnetai sth Boylh kai tipote allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto ekane o k. Asprogerakas, poy eipate sto telos. Esteile to eggrafo sth Boylh kai sas peiraje esas.

REPPAS: Kaqoloy. Ayto to opoio peirazei einai h epixeirhsh ths N.D. na metamfiezetai. Alla, o anaxronismos, h synthrhsh, o aytarxismos, osa proswpeia kai an epixeirhsoyn na xrhsimopoihsoyn, den paraplanoyn toys polites.

IWANNOY: Se mia wra apo twra, o k. Ebert anamenetai na probei se kapoies dhlwseis, poy, opws xqes toylaxiston afhse na diarreysei apo synergates toy, qa "tsoyroyflisei" ton Prwqypoyrgo. Dedomenoy oti sthn prohgoymenh dhlwsh toy gia to qema ths diarrohs toy eggrafoy, eixe yposthrijei kai eixe afhsei na ennohqei oti h diarroh egine mesa apo thn kybernhsh, apo kybernhtika stelexh, kai malista eipe oti "fagwnontai" metajy toys o k. Papantwnioy me ton k. Xristodoylakh kai as ta broyne metajy toys poios ekane th diarroh. Oysiastika, ayto mas eipe. Kai isws kai shmera na exoyme mia synexeia. Pws apanta h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Ayta einai paidariwdeis profaseis, einai kakotexnes ypekfyges, giati kapoios den qelei na analabei thn eyqynh toy. To eggrafo ayto to esteile o eisaggelikos leitoyrgos ston Proedro ths Boylhs, xwris th mesolabhsh proistamenhs arxhs h allhs yphresias. Eixe gnwsh ayths ths diadikasias o k. Ebert. To erwthma poy prokyptei einai, pws eixe gnwsh aytoy toy stoixeioy. O idios prepei na mas pei.

IWANNOY: Apo kybernhtiko stelexos, eipe oysiastika o k. Ebert oti eixe plhroforhsh.

REPPAS: Kaqenas mporei na leei o,ti qelei. Oi idioi oi polites bgazoyn teliko symperasma gi` ayto poy leme kai ayto poy kanoyme.

TAKHS: Apokleiete, dhladh, na eixe gnwsh toy eggrafoy h toy periexomenoy toy o k. Papantwnioy h o k. Xristodoylakhs poy fainontai kai ws oi emplekomenoi sthn olh ypoqesh, ektos apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs kai ton Eisaggelea;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den exoyme gnwsh toy periexomenoy aytoy toy eggrafoy. Ara, den mporei na gnwrizoyme poia einai ta proswpa sta opoia mporei, estw kai emmesws na anaferetai o Eisaggeleas. Asfalws, oydeis allos den eixe gnwsh aytoy toy eggrafoy. Milw panta apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. O Proedros ths Boylhs leitoyrgwntas symfwna me ton Kanonismo toy Swmatos exei krathsei ayto to eggrafo sto syrtari toy. Den gnwrizoyme to periexomeno toy. Kai opws eipa, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, den qa eixame antirrhsh na doqei epiteloys sth dhmosiothta, gia na miloyme pleon me dedomenh th gnwsh toy periexomenoy toy eggrafoy.

IWANNOY: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Gnwrizete ean telika exei ginei kapoia synennohsh h an qa doqei mesa sthn ebdomada apo ton k. Kaklamanh;

REPPAS: Einai qema poy qa antimetwpisei o Proedros ths Boylhs. Gnwrizete ti dialambanei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs gia to qema ayto. Apo kei kai pera, asfalws o Proedros ths Boylhs, logw twn synqhkwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma, kaleitai na parei mia apofash. Prepei na sebastoyme to rolo toy kai bebaiws, ekeinos qa analabei thn eyqynh.

GARGALAKOS: O k. Tzoxatzopoylos dinontas mia synenteyjh shmera yposthrije oti h sygkrothsh ths kybernhshs qa ephreastei apo tis apofaseis toy Synedrioy. Analoga me ti politikes -leei- poy qa yioqethsei to Synedrio. Poio einai to sxolio sas se ayth thn apoch toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy;

REPPAS: Kaqe stelexos, kaqws exei jekinhsei hdh h prosynedriakh diadikasia, diatypwnei tis apoceis toy. Oi apoceis toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy einai xrhsimes kai gonimes. Einai mia qetikh symbolh se olh ayth thn poreia pros to Synedrio. Apo kei kai pera, exoyme pei oti meta to Synedrio qa ginei anasxhmatismos kai to kybernhtiko sxhma qa to sygkrothsei o Prwqypoyrgos apo mhdenikh bash.

GARGALAKOS: Epishs, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos yposthrije oti einai anepikairo na anoijei shmera qema onomasias twn Skopiwn.

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola, gnwrizete oti ayto to qema ths onomasias twn Skopiwn antimetwpizetai sto plaisio toy OHE. Emeis paramenoyme sth qesh poy exoyme diatypwsei, oti prepei na ejeyreqei mia lysh, sto plaisio symfwnias metajy twn dyo kybernhsewn. Se ayth th qesh paramenoyme kai qetoyme, se kaqe eykairia, ayto to problhma gia to opoio prepei na breqei lysh. Kata ta alla, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas eqese sthn E.E. ayto to qema, zhtwntas apo toys ekproswpoys twn kybernhsewn kai twn megalwn Organismwn na xrhsimopoioyn thn proswrinh onomasia poy exei apofasisei o OHE gia to geitoniko kratos. Na apofeygetai, dhladh, h xrhsimopoihsh enos onomatos, poy h kybernhsh kai oi polites toy geitonikoy kratoys, xrhsimopoioyn mexri twra. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Ayto einai ena poly shmantiko zhthma gia emas. Epiqymoyme na ejeyreqei, to syntomotero dynato, lysh, dioti pisteyoyme oti ayto qa symbalei sth staqerothta sthn perioxh. Apo kei kai pera qa prepei kai h kybernhsh twn Skopiwn na analabei tis eyqynes ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Zospen poy brisketai edw eqese qema onomasia twn Skopiwn ston Prwqypoyrgo; Gnwrizete ean eqese ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti kai sth syzhthsh poy eixan se filikh atmosfaira, me poly kalh diaqesh, xqes to brady, den syzhthqhke tetoio qema, giati h gallikh kybernhsh kai o Gallos Prwqypoyrgos den qetoyn ayto to qema. Emeis, apo th dikh mas pleyra, otan miloyme gia ta qemata ths perioxhs, anaferomaste se ayth thn ekkremothta, zhtwntas na yparjei analhch eyqynhs apo thn kybernhsh toy geitonikoy kratoys, wste na antimetwpistei ayto to qema, to opoio me eyqynh ths kybernhshs twn Skopiwn, mexri twra, den exei antimetwpistei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, to syzhthse qelete na moy peite.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti emeis, se kaqe eykairia qetoyme ayto to qema gia na deijoyme oti einai shmantiko gia mas, oti einai ena problhma poy prepei na antimetwpistei. Otan qetoyme ta problhmata, poy qewroyme oti einai shmantika kai prepei na antimetwpistoyn, mas kathgoreite giati ta qetoyme;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, den sas kathgorw. Alla, ti apanthse o k. Zospen, afoy to qesate;

REPPAS: O k. Zospen, h kybernhsh ths Gallias exei sygkekrimenh qesh kai gnwrizete oti ayth ekfrazetai apo thn apofash poy exei parei o OHE. Epishs, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn toy OHE, oloi symfwnoyn oti prepei na ejeyreqei lysh. Sthn E.E. @h Gallia einai prwtagwnistria stis syzhthseis sthn E.E. se tetoia qemata- apofasisthke o k. Solana na exei ena rolo, na parakoloyqhsei apo konta, pws ejelissetai ayto to qema kai na steilei ek meroys ths E.E. , pleon, ena mhnyma pros to geitoniko kratos, gia to oti prepei na antimetwpistei kai ayth h ekkremothta me th dikh toys symbolh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qema Kypriakoy kai entajews ths Kyproy sthn E.E. syzhthqhke; To eqese o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme, mias kai qetete ayto to qema, oti ajizei na kanoyme mneia ths syzhthshs poy egine sto deipno twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn ths E.E. me toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn twn ypochfiwn pros entajh xwrwn. Ekei, metajy twn allwn, o k. Tzem -kai qelw na to shmeiwsete ayto- eipe oti den diatypwnontai apeiles apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias h den prepei etsi na ermhneyetai h qesh ths Toyrkias, oson afora thn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy pros thn E.E. Eipe oti, efoson syntelestei h entajh ths sthn E.E., einai bebaio oti qa yparxoyn polla problhmata sthn Toyrkia. Emeis kaloyme thn Toyrkia na ajiopoihsei to plaisio poy exei qespisei h E.E., idiaitera meta thn apofash toy Elsinki, prokeimenoy etsi na ejasfalisei kai th dikh ths proseggish pros thn Eyrwph. Oso den to kanei, dhmioyrgei problhmata, kyriws, ston idio ton eayto ths.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Tzem eipe, omws, sthn idia ayth synanthsh oti xwris toys Toyrkokyprioys den mporei h kypriakh pleyra na mpei sthn E.E.

REPPAS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti den qa prepei oi dynameis katoxhs na apotrecoyn toys Toyrkokyprioys na ekfrastoyn kai na symmetasxoyn se aytes tis diadikasies diapragmateyshs, gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. H kypriakh kybernhsh, apo thn prwth stigmh, me ypeyqyno tropo, kalese toys Toyrkokyprioys na paroyn meros se ayth thn omada, h opoia diapragmateyetai thn entajh ths Kyproy ws eniaioy kratoys sthn E.E. Den toys exei epitrapei, to apofeygoyn, to arnoyntai. Einai se baros toys. Ayth h protash poy exei diatypwqei apo thn kypriakh kybernhsh, einai mia ypeyqynh protash, poy paramenei se isxy. Kai pisteyw oti qa prepei, epiteloys, na antapokriqoyn se ayth thn protash.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Sto qema toy onomatos: h kybernhsh syndyazei thn ejelijh ths ypoqeshs toy onomatos me ayta poy dhlwse o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, prin apo meres, sthn Epitroph Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn, sxetika me th diaforopoihsh twn synorwn sta Balkania; Exete kati kainoyrgio; Kai apodexetai h kybernhsh toys problhmatismoys toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei se ayto kai paramenw se ayth th qesh. Asfalws, den prepei na syndeoyme ta dyo qemata. Oson afora tis mellontikes ejelijeis, pisteyoyme oti aytes, metajy twn allwn qa xarakthrizontai kyriws apo th staqerothta kai thn asfaleia sthn perioxh, pragma poy dhlwnei oti ta synora qa parameinoyn ayta poy kai shmera yfistantai sthn perioxh. Kata ta alla, stis opoies mellontikes ejelijeis, emeis -to dhlwnoyme apo twra- qa eimaste parontes gia na yperaspistoyme to eqniko symferon.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai kati gia th Qessalonikh: h kybernhsh synolika kai o idios o k. Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos apo thn eikona poy emfanize h Qessalonikh, eidikotera to brady ths omilias toy sto Bellideio; Ws kybernhsh, toylaxiston, kai ws ekfrash dhmokratikhs politeias; Einai enhmeros;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh niwqoyme ikanopoihmenoi, epeidh akribws eixame th dynatothta sto plaisio ths DEQ, apo to bhma ayto, na diatypwsoyme tis politikes mas qeseis gia ta problhmata ths perioxhs kai genikotera toy kosmoy. Apo kei kai pera, den einai dikh mas h eyqynh gia to oti gia logoys asfaleias kai tajhs, gia na perifroyrhsoyme thn asfaleia twn idiwn twn politwn ths Qessalonikhs, eprepe na lhfqoyn orismena metra, ws apanthsh se prwtoboylies gia sygkentrwseis, oi opoies kata kapoio tropo eixan kai enan biaio xarakthra. Prepei oloi na katadikazoyme energeies kai prajeis bias. Den einai dikh mas eyqynh, dikh mas prwtoboylia. Emeis eimaste sth Qessalonikh, prokeimenoy na diatypwsoyme thn politikh mas protash. Oloi prepei na exoyn ayto to dikaiwma sto plaisio poy orizei to Syntagma kai h nomimothta. Apo ekei kai pera, den qa prepei -giati ayto odhgei se enan ekfylismo toy qesmoy ths DEQ- na xrhsimopoioyntai tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis, mono kai mono gia na fqarei aytos poy qewreitai antipalos mas h gia na meiwqei to mhnyma poy stelnei aytos poy qewreitai oti exei mia allh politikh. Ayto poy prepei na kanoyme, einai o kaqenas me qetiko tropo na prosdiorizetai kai na proteinei th dikh toy protash.

Sas eyxaristw.

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