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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Ioylioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos brisketai, shmera, sthn perioxh ths Aitwloakarnanias, sto fragma toy Eyhnoy. To ergo ayto einai poly shmantiko giati, prwton lynetai gia polla xronia, mexri to 2030 to ydrodotiko problhma ths prwteyoysas kai deyteron giati dhmioyrgoyntai proypoqeseis biwsimhs anaptyjhs sthn eyryterh perioxh ths Aitwloakarnanias.

Apotelei ena akomh deigma ths anaptyjiakhs prospaqeias poy kanei h xwra mas, poy afora kyriws thn ellhnikh perifereia gia na petyxoyme thn isorroph anaptyjh.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FILHS: Yparxoyn plhrofories oti prin apo ligo yphrje kai nea parempodish Ellhnwn diadhlwtwn na apobibastoyn sthn Ankona. Xqes, dyo ploia telika antimetwpisan problhmata. Sto deytero ploio, poy htan en plw, yphrxan 250 diadhlwtes kai 69 apo aytoys toys Ellhnes polites enhmerwqhkan oti oi italikes arxes toys apagoreyoyn thn eisodo. Dhladh, yparxei mia eikona oti oi italikes arxes jeroyn onomata kai kanoyn epilogh. Qelw na moy peite ti ektimhsh kanei h kybernhsh gi ayth th diapistwsh pia oti yparxoyn fakeloi sta xeria twn Italwn.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, me emfash kai kathgorhmatiko tropo epanalambanw oti apo tis yphresies toy ellhnikoy kratoys den exei stalei kanenas katalogos me onomata Ellhnwn politwn se opoiadhpote italikh yphresia. Ayto to lew me emfash kai qelw na dexqeite oti einai etsi. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete, oti h italikh presbeia sthn Ellada exei bebaiws sthn yphresia ths stelexh poy mporoyn na sygkentrwnoyn plhrofories kai na synergazontai me tis kentrikes yphresies toy italikoy kratoys.

H italikh kybernhsh exei nwph thn entolh toy italikoy laoy. Gnwrizete oti h italikh kybernhsh einai kybernhsh synthrhtikwn dynamewn. Exei kanei mia epilogh, h opoia sthrizetai se kapoies qeseis poy diatypwnei kai aforoyn th diasfalish ths tajhs kai ths asfaleias sto eswteriko ths xwras. Gia to logo ayto h italikh kybernhsh qewrei anagkaia th lhch aytwn twn metrwn, ths parempodishs dhladh ths eisodoy politwn apo alles xwres sthn Italia. Emeis, se synexh epafh, se diafora epipeda, me toys armodioys twn italikwn yphresiwn exoyme qesei apo thn prwth kiolas stigmh to qema. Dwsame entolh stis antistoixes diplwmatikes yphresies ths xwras mas sthn Italia na kinhqoyn sthn idia kateyqynsh. Exoyme ekfrasei thn entonh dysforia mas gia ton tropo me ton opoio edrasan, xqes, oi italikes astynomikes dynameis. Ayto poy qewrw skopimo, shmera, na epanalabw einai h qesh poy diatypwsa kai thn prohgoymenh Deytera (16/7), milwntas gia toys polites poy eixan programmatisei na breqoyn sth Genoba kai na diadhlwsoyn apenanti stoys hgetes poy diaskeptontai ekei: Eixa pei tote -kai einai sth diaqesh sas ta praktika ths syzhthshs mas- oti "apenanti se aytes tis anhsyxies, tis eyaisqhsies kai tis prosdokies twn politwn qa prepei na deijoyme endiaferon, na mhn tis agnohsoyme. Na exoyme ena anoikto diaylo epikoinwnias me tis dynameis aytes, giati qa prepei oles oi kybernhseis na pairnoyn ypoch toys kai na staqmizoyn ta qemata poy anadeiknyoyn oi polites poy kinhtopoioyntai sto plaisio aytoy toy kinhmatos". Bebaiws, oi polites aytoi, opws eipa kai tote, den synistoyn mia periqwriakh dynamh, den einai polites poy apoteloyn mia dynamh arnhshs, den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis oligariqmes omades twn politwn poy xrhsimopoioyn th bia kai epiqymoyn to mhdenismo kai thn katastrofh. Einai polites poy me ypeyqyno tropo qeloyn na diadhlwsoyn mia diaforetikh qesh. Gi ayto akribws prepei me eyaisqhsia na proseggisoyme th stash toys. Ws ellhnikh kybernhsh den exoyme na prosqesoyme kati allo, toylaxiston ayth thn wra. Pisteyoyme oti qa mporoysan na antimetwpistoyn diaforetika apo tis armodies italikes yphresies, alla ayto einai ena qema poy den qa to krinoyme emeis, qa to krinei o italikos laos.

FILHS: Yparxei kapoia epishmh ejhghsh apo thn italikh pleyra, meta ta osa thlefwnikws eipe o k. Papandreoy ston Italo omologo toy, giati synexizetai ayth h taktikh;

REPPAS: H ejhghsh poy doqhke apo tis italikes arxes gia thn epilogh toys na parempodisoyn thn eisodo twn politwn allwn xwrwn sthn Italia, afora toys polites apo oles tis alles xwres, poy episkeptontai thn Italia kai den afora mono thn Ellada.

Oson afora, to epeisodio poy egine xqes sto limani ths Ankona oi italikes yphresies isxyrizontai oti eprepe na dienerghsoyn ayth thn epixeirhsh, epeidh akribws qewrhsan oti dexqhkan epiqesh apo Ellhnes polites. Kati tetoio proballetai, opws plhroforoymai, kai sta radiothleoptika MME ths Italias. H eikona ayth einai streblwsh ths pragmatikothtas. Den pisteyoyme oti exei ginei kati tetoio. Para tayta, gnwrizete poly kala, oti oi mhxanismoi epikoinwnias xrhsimopoioyntai kata tetoio tropo, wste na dhmioyrgoyn polles fores mia parapeistikh eikona. Isxyrizontai, loipon, oi italikes yphresies oti exoyn enan traymatia astynomiko, o opoios dexqhke epiqesh apo Ellhnes polites. Emeis den exoyme dextei ayto ton isxyrismo. Gi ayto, allwste, ekfrasame thn entonh dysforia mas, epeidh qewroyme oti den einai endedeigmenos o tropos me ton opoio edrasan.

FILHS: Thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh sto Symboylio twn"15" Ypoyrgwn Dhmosias Tajhs-Eswterikwn Ypoqesewn ths E.E., opws legetai, yphrje koinh apofash poy epibebaiwqhke th Deytera apo to Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn twn "15", symfwna me thn opoia apofasizontai metra eyrwpaikhs astynomeyshs se kaqe dieqnh synanthsh, eite einai G-8, eite einai Synodos Koryfhs. Ekei me safhneia h ellhnikh kybernhsh -to exei prosypogracei- analambanei thn ypoxrewsh na enhmerwnei gia ta stoixeia poy exei stoys eqnikoys fakeloys gia proswpa poy qa phgainoyn ws diadhlwtes se aytes tis diadhlwseis. Alla leei stoys "15" kai alla kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh den eixe ypoch ths stoixeia ta opoia -mporei na pei kaneis- exoyn sxesh me tromokratikh drash tetoia, wste na eprepe na anakoinwsei pws atoma poy anhkoyn se ayth thn kathgoria eprokeito na metakinhqoyn sthn Italia. Gi ayto den qewrhse xrhsimo na proskomisei stis italikes arxes opoiodhpote analogo stoixeio. Kata ta alla, gnwrizete oti se ayth th Synodo twn Ypoyrgwn ths E.E. pragmati apofasisthke ena plaisio synergasias. Emeis epiqymoyme th synergasia sto plaisio ths E.E. Den qewroyme oti h xwra mas prepei na meinei ektos. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti eimaste antiqetoi se diafores protaseis poy diatypwqhkan apo alles pleyres, metajy twn allwn kai sthn protash poy diatypwse o Germanos Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn gia th dhmioyrgia, se eyrwpaiko epipedo, mias bashs dedomenwn gia toys polites poy diakinoyntai stis xwres ths E.E.

H qesh ths Elladas sthn E.E. epiballei ayth th synergasia, h opoia einai qetikh. Den einai ypoxrewsh thn opoia analambanoyme, epeidh qewroyme oti eimaste anagkasmenoi na thn analaboyme. Einai mia synergasia poy qa bohqhsei ki emas, giati ki emeis antimetwpizoyme problhmata kai pisteyw oti aytoy toy eidoys h synergasia einai wfelimh gia oloys.

FILHS: Epeidh gia allh mia fora ekfrazeste me qetiko tropo ws pros ta aithmata twn diadhlwsewn aytwn, ws pros thn pagkosmiopoihsh kai tis anhsyxies poy ekfrazontai, qelw na sas pw to ejhs: Enw sthn Italia me protroph toy prwhn prwqypoyrgoy Nt@Alema symmetexei to prwhn kybernhtiko komma sth diadhlwsh ayth epishma, edw eseis lete ayta, alla to kybernwn komma den symmetexei stis diadhlwseis.

REPPAS: Moy dinete thn eykairia, me thn erwthsh sas, na sxoliasw oti isws h katastash na htan diaforetikh, oson afora thn antimetwpish twn diadhlwtwn, twn politwn apo alles xwres, ek meroys twn italikwn yphresiwn, an htan mia allh kybernhsh sthn Italia, an htan o k. Nt@Alema prwqypoyrgos kai oxi o k. Mperloyskoni. Ayto einai ena qema poy afora ton italiko lao, ta eswterika ths Italias. Den prokeitai na ypeiselqoyme se ayto. Einai omws arketa didaktiko kai kapoioi qa prepei edw sthn Ellada na skeftoyn kai na kanoyn tis analogies kai toys parallhlismoys poy prepei. Kata ta alla, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, gnwrizete poly kala, oti exei sygkekrimenh qesh gia ola ayta ta qemata. Oi polites poy anhkoyn se opoiodhpote komma kai sto kybernwn komma einai eleyqeroi na kanoyn tis epiloges toys. Oydeis toys kaqodhghse pros th mia h thn allh kateyqynsh. Oydeis empodise opoiondhpote polith na analabei prwtoboylia se tetoia kateyqynsh. Sas plhroforw, omws -kai gnwrizw egw proswpikws- oti polites poy chfizoyn PASOK symmetexoyn@

FILHS: Omws, oxi organwmena, ws PASOK.

REPPAS: Oxi, alla symmetexoyn.

FILHS: Stelexh den phgan sto foroym@

REPPAS: Kaqe komma kanei tis dikes toy epiloges. Mhn epixeireite na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis. Kapoio komma qewrei oti ayto einai sanida politikhs swthrias kai prospaqei na anadeijei ayto to qema ws megisto qema. Ena allo komma exei alles proteraiothtes. Sebasto kai to ena, sebasto kai to allo. Alla sas lew -ki egw to gnwrizw ki eseis to gnwrizete- oti polites poy chfizoyn PASOK symmetexoyn se aytes tis kinhtopoihseis.

BIDALH: An katalaba kala, epishmh ejhghsh gia to ti synebh sthn Ankona, den sas exei dwsei h Italia, giati epikalesthkate ta radiothleoptika Mesa ths Italias.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayto isxyrizontai, pragma to opoio emeis den dexomaste. Ayto isxyristhke h italikh astynomia. Emeis den to dexomaste.

BIDALH: Ektos apo toys Ellhnes, yparxoyn 686 polites, symfwna me anakoinwsh toy italikoy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, stoys opoioys exei parempodistei h eisodos sthn Italia...

REPPAS: Apo diafores xwres. Ta metra ayta, eipame oti aforoyn polites apo diafores xwres, oxi mono polites proerxomenoys apo thn Ellada.

BIDALH: Yphrje synergasia se epipedo ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn me alles xwres, twn opoiwn oi polites den mporesan na pane sthn Italia;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kapoia eidikh epikoinwnia gia to qema ayto me alles xwres.

KAPPOS: Stoixeia sth bash dedomenwn ths Sengken, giati exoyn yparjei orismenes apagoreyseis, sygkekrimena apo to deytero karabi, poios dinei;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai ayto to opoio rwtate. Apanthsa prin se sxetikes erwthseis. Exei anastalei h efarmogh ths Synqhkhs Sengken. Isxyei edw to arqro 2 poy dinei th dynatothta se ena kratos na askhsei ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata toy, opws kanei en prokeimenw h Italia kai na anasteilei thn efarmogh ths Synqhkhs,

KAPPOS: Se o,ti afora thn Ellada, apo poy pairnoyn stoixeia; Dhladh, yparxoyn kapoioi Italoi poy erxontai edw kai mazeyoyn stoixeia;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin. Opws emeis epikoinwnoyme me tis diplwmatikes arxes mas se kaqe allh xwra -kai to kaname xqes, kat` epanalhch, me thn Italia- etsi kai oi italikes arxes epikoinwnoyn me tis diplwmatikes yphresies toys se opoiadhpote allh xwra kai sthn Ellada. Alla, ayto einai mia genikh qesh gia to pws ergazontai oi diplwmatikes apostoles.

KAPPOS: Egw ayto, oysiastika, to lambanw ws paradoxh kapoias paroxhs plhroforiwn. En pash periptwsei, ayto einai allh istoria...

REPPAS: Den einai, pantws, h orqh apoch.

KAPPOS: To eklambanw opws qelw. Yparxei mia kataggelia poy einai poly periergo oti den exei diaceysqei, h opoia anaferetai se omada Ellhnwn astynomikwn poy synodeyoyn toys Ellhnes diadhlwtes. Qa hqela mia apanthsh.

REPPAS: Den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia kati tetoio. Einai pantelws ceydes.

FILHS: Oti sto arxhgeio ths Euroform yparxoyn Ellhnes astynomikoi, einai ceydes;

REPPAS: Sas eipa, xqes kai gnwrizete oti einai enas ariqmos mikroteros twn daktylwn toy enos xerioy, oi opoioi symmetexoyn, sto plaisio ths dieqnoys synergasias kai bebaiws, metexoyn prokeimenoy na apokthsoyn empeiria, na ekpaideytoyn kai na syndiaxeiristoyn ayth thn krish mazi me toys synadelfoys toys allwn xwrwn poy anhkoyn sto idio symfwno synergasias. Alla, den exei kamia sxesh ayto me ayto poy eipate oti Ellhnes astynomikoi synodeyoyn toys diadhlwtes. Prokeimenoy na kanoyn ti;

KAPPOS: Feroyn fwtografikes, kinhmatografikes mhxanes...

REPPAS: Oxi. Mh milate gia mhxanes, kinhmatografikes k.t.l., mhn exete tetoia efesh sta senaria.

KOYI@N: Ektos apo thn ekfrash ths entonhs dysforias ths kybernhshs pros tis italikes arxes, epishmo diabhma egine;

REPPAS: Egine proforiko diabhma, xqes, epeidh akribws qewrhsame oti den eprepe na parempodistei h eisodos Ellhnwn politwn sthn Italia.

KOYI@N: Dhladh, not verbal. Den phge o presbhs na epidwsei diabhma;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti th diamartyria ayth, ypo typon diabhmatos, thn ejefrase o idios o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas ston Italo omologo toy.

MPOTWNHS: O Prwqypoyrgos tis epomenes hmeres qa synanthqei me to Qeodwro Pagkalo;

REPPAS: Sas exw anakoinwsei poio einai to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gi ayth thn ebdomada. H synanthsh ayth qa ginei th Deytera.

MOYRTZHS: Symfwna me shmerino dhmosieyma, o yfypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias k. Paxtas egine stoxos kritikhs sto xqesino Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo synadelfoys toy, giati ton qewroyn ypeyqyno, ws kaq` ylhn armodio gia tis kaqysterhseis sto G` K.P.S. Qa hqela ena sxolio.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio opoy syzhthqhke to qema ayto, katalhjame oloi, omofwnws, sth qesh oti den exoyme kaqysterhseis, oi opoies na dikaiologoyn opoiodhpote fobo gia to oti den qa aporrofhsoyme poroys, oti den qa proxwrhsoyn ta erga egkairws, oti qa meinoyme pisw apo toys stoxoys mas. Antiqetws, oloi anagnwrisan thn prospaqeia poy exei kanei to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai idiaiterws o kaq` ylhn armodios yfypoyrgos, o k. Paxtas. Epainesan thn prospaqeia kai to ergo toy kai oloi anagnwrisan oti exei syntelestei shmantikh proodos, thn teleytaia periodo, pragma to opoio epishmane kai o Prwqypoyrgos, afoy eixame th dynatothta sto qema ayto poy syzhthsame kai ligoys mhnes prin -nomizw ton prohgoymeno Aprilio- syzhtwntas to xqes kai pali, na doyme poia einai h apostash poy en tw metajy exoyme dianysei. Kai exoyme dianysei mia poly shmantikh apostash. Kinoymaste se apolytws qetikh kateyqynsh.

PANAGIWTIDOY: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma sto "Eqnos" poy afora to "Eselor" kai anaferetai sto dhmosieyma, metajy allwn, oti parakoloyqeitai stena h Ellada, Ellhnes politikoi, thlefwna, fax k.t.l.

REPPAS: Anafereste se mia ekqesh mias omadas boyleytwn toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy. Qa melethsoyme ayth thn ekqesh. Den exoyme opoiadhpote gnwsh allwn stoixeiwn kai den exoyme opoiadhpote symmetoxh se ena programma tetoias morfhs. Alla, qa melethsoyme me endiaferon to periexomeno ayths ths ekqeshs.

KAPPOS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti h apozhmiwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy gia fysikes katastrofes, alla kai apo opoiadhpote allh aitia, einai qema forologhshs yperterhs, se sxesh me toys foroys poy kataballoyn hdh oi Ellhnes polites;

REPPAS: Edw kai kairo eipame na qespisoyme ayto to metro. Ginetai kati analogo se oles tis sygxrones xwres kai idiaitera se ekeines poy einai seismogeneis. Pisteyw oti einai swsto metro na yparxei ena asfalistro, se xamhlo xrhmatiko epipedo pantote, opws einai to poso aytoy toy asfalistroy, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme enan endexomeno kindyno.

KAPPOS: Epeidh aytes oi katastrofes den einai oi monadikes, qa doyme foroys kai gia alles periptwseis; Hdh, exei yparjei, edw kai arketa xronia, epi ypoyrgias k. Andrianopoyloy, poy apeyqynotan oysiastika gia thn prostasia toy periballontos. Apo tote, exoyn eispraxqei, me bash ayto to foro, apeira xrhmata. Kaneis den gnwrizei, milame gia oktw-ennea xronia kai kati perissotero...

REPPAS: Den prokeitai gia foro, alla gia ena asfalistro kai malista poly xamhlo. Gia ola ayta ta qemata, opws gnwrizete, milhse xqes me kaqe leptomereia o armodios ypoyrgos.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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