Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-03-09

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Martioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes, anakoinwqhke oti ekproswpos Typoy toy K.E.P. einai h k. Eliza Bozempergk. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: H k. Bozempergk, stelexos mexri protinos ths Neas Dhmokratias, topoqethqhke ekproswpos gia qemata Typoy toy neoy kommatos. Mporw na prosqesw oti, sthn periptwsh ayth, gia ena apolytws eswteriko qema, ena komma, exei ejasfalisei kai mia ejwterikh symfwnia, th dikh mas.

KALARITHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas prin apo ligo, eipe, metajy allwn, oti ayta ta peri antiparaqesewn poy grafontai ston Typo einai sth fantasia kapoiwn kai den isxyoyn. Wstoso, yparxoyn plhrofories, endeijeis kai apodeijeis oti yparxei ena genikotero klima.

REPPAS: Apodeijeis; Prepei na sas pw oti gnwrizw "apo prwto xeri" poio htan to periexomeno twn syzhthsewn poy eginan se ayto to "perifhmo" pleon deipno. Ola osa grafontai den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis syzhthseis poy eginan se ayth thn koinwnikh synanthsh. An to periexomeno twn syzhthsewn exei ermhneytei apo kapoioys ws oionei politikh synedriash, h opoia malista odhgei se rhjeis kai sygkroyseis, antilambaneste oti pragmatika mporei na mila kapoios gia mia myqistorhmatikh proseggish twn politikwn ejelijewn. Exw pei -me aformh alles erwthseis- oti kapoioi epidiwkoyn mia aqemith kai mataih myqoplasia. Epidiwkoyn, dhladh, mia politikh myqologia gia na ermhneysoyn tis politikes ejelijeis.

MOYRTZHS: Dhladh, probokatores einai aytoi poy egracan ayto to ypotiqemeno myqistorhma, opws lete; Den sthrixthkan kaqoloy se yparkta stoixeia;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti sthn Ellada yparxei eleyqerotypia. O kaqenas einai eleyqeros na diatypwnei tis apoceis toy. Pisteyw oti h politikh exei rolo, symfwna me th laikh entolh, na efarmozei ena programma gia thn poreia ths xwras, yperaspizomenh to dhmosio symferon. Ta MME, opws problepetai kai apo sxetikh rhth syntagmatikh epitagh, qa prepei na enhmerwnoyn me antikeimeniko tropo toys polites. Den einai dynato na epiblhqei opoiosdhpote periorismos sth leitoyrgia twn MME, sthn kateyqynsh na enhmerwnoyn -opws ekeina nomizoyn symfwna me to pneyma kai to gramma toy Syntagmatos- toys polites ths xwras.

MOYRTZHS: Orismenoi, opws o Kwstas Laliwths, mesw "kyklwn" toys, sxoliasan ton "mystiko deipno". Giati, aisqaneste thn anagkh na apologeiste ston k. Laliwth h stoys kykloys toy;

REPPAS: Prwta, apo ola den ekane kanena sxolio o k. Laliwths, oyte allos sxoliase, me tetoio tropo wste na dhmioyrgeitai pedio syzhthshs kai malista pedio apo to opoio na anadyetai eikona antiparaqeshs. Ena koinwniko gegonos anadeixthke me tetoio tropo, wste na entaxqei ws ena stoixeio stis politikes ejelijeis. Dwsame tis apanthseis mas se ayto. Den yparxei kamia apologia, kanena aisqhma enoxhs. Aplws, anaferame ayto poy einai pragmatikothta: Oti oi anqrwpoi, sto plaisio twn koinwnikwn synanastrofwn toys, synantwntai, syzhtoyn kai antallassoyn apoceis gia diafora qemata. Oi synanthseis kai oi syzhthseis aytes den synistoyn aparaithtws politikh synergasia.

KARELIAS: Poioi einai aytoi poy epidiwkoyn thn aqemith kai mataih, opws eipate "myqoplasia";

REPPAS: Ayto to eipa kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis. Epanalambanw ayta poy hdh eipa, xrhsimopoiwntas, sxedon, tis idies lejeis. Opoioi dinoyn tetoies ermhneies se gegonota poy exoyn koinwniko -kai monon- periexomeno, antilambaneste pws einai ektos pragmatikothtas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na moy kanete kapoio sxolio gia "retalia" poy eipe o k. Giannopoylos gia boyleytes toy PASOK.

REPPAS: Kaqenas leei tis apoceis toy, me ton tropo poy epilegei. Kaqenas mporei na leei tis apoceis toy kai aytes na tiqentai sthn krish olwn twn allwn. Den mporw na kanw kanena sxolio gia to pws kaqe stelexos, kaqe paragontas ths politikhs zwhs ths xwras epilegei na ekfrazetai. Ayto einai qema poy afora ton idio. Kai bebaiws, kaqenas exei ayto to dikaiwma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis aisqaneste "retali";

REPPAS: Eidika eseis poy eiste kaqe mera edw, opws kai oi synadelfoi sas -kai sas tima ayto, opws tima ki emena- exete thn apanthsh sto erwthma sas. Nomizw oti exete thn apanthsh apo ton tropo me ton opoio syzhtoyme kaqe mera. Kai afoy exete ayth thn apanthsh, den prepei na kanete thn erwthsh. Giati, gia qemata epi twn opoiwn exete apanthseis, den dikaiologoyntai oi erwthseis.

GIANNISHS: Mia erwthsh sto qema toy paidioy apo th Mytilhnh. Exei ekfrastei h epiqymia apo thn oikogeneia toy, ta xrhmata toy eranoy poy mazeythkan na doqoyn se alla paidakia, gia na bohqhqoyn paromoies periptwseis. Yparxei proqesh apo thn kybernhsh na kanei kati tetoio;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, gia to qema ayto. Ta xrhmata ayta qa ajiopoihqoyn gia koinwnikoys skopoys me ton kalytero tropo.

ALEJAKH: Exw thn ejhs aporia: An oi katoikoi ths Mytilhnhs prosfygoyn sta dikasthria kata ths Eqnikhs Trapezas, den qa dikaiwqoyn; Ayth th stigmh, einai nomimo na exei parakrathsei ena logariasmo katoikwn, oi opoioi ton prosferan gia ena sygkekrimeno paidi;

REPPAS: Eqese to qema ayto kai o k. Stamatopoylos, xqes. Paramenw sth qesh poy diatypwsa thn prwth mera kai epanelaba xqes. Thn prwth mera eipa oti ta xrhmata ayta -kai prepei na anazhthqei h nomimh diadikasia gia na doyme an ayto einai efikto- mporei na doqoyn se aytoys oi opoioi ta eixan kataqesei kai epiqymoyn na ta paroyn pisw. Epishs eipa oti, bebaiws, ta xrhmata ayta mporei na doqoyn se ena idryma poy exei koinwniko, paremferh dhladh skopo. H qesh ayth poy exw ekfrasei apo thn prwth stigmh pisteyw oti einai h orqh kai paramenw se ayth. To bebaio einai ena kai se ayto symfwnoyme oloi: Oydeis epitrepetai, oydeis mporei na idiopoihqei ayta ta xrhmata.

KALARITHS: Dieykrinistika: Prin den anaferomoyn mono sto ``deipno'', otan miloysa gia apodeijeis. Anaferomoyn sto genikotero klima poy yparxei...

REPPAS: To ``deipno'' eseis to qewreite "apodeijeis". Gi` ayto sas lew oti yparxei mia diaforetikh antilhch.

KALARITHS: Oxi, oxi. Afenos anaferomoyn sto genikotero klima. Oi dhlwseis twn k. Pagkaloy kai Giannopoyloy, den einai myqoplasies kanenos. Afeteroy, qa hqela na allajw qema: Dhmosieyontai shmera ston Typo kapoies diatajeis gia ton periorismo twn diadhlwsewn. Exei skefqei h kybernhsh, an me aytes tis diatajeis anoigei o dromos gia kapoioys na elegxoyn...

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola -epeidh den qa apofygw na sxoliasw thn eisagwgh ths erwthshs sas- sas lew oti emeis den epidiwkoyme th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, giati den einai aytos o skopos mas. Emeis, symfwna me th laikh entolh, prepei na paragoyme ergo. Ayto einai to kaqhkon mas kai se ayto exoyme afosiwqei. Kata ta alla, para polloi exoyn apogohteyqei, epeidh kata kairoys miloyn gia krish sto PASOK, gia fainomena poy odhgoyn se mia tetoia dysmenestath ejelijh gia to PASOK, xwris pote na epalhqeyqoyn. Qa apogohteyqoyn gia mia akomh fora, poy den qa einai kai h teleytaia. Giati eimai bebaios, oti kai apo thn pleyra toys den qa einai h teleytaia fora poy asxoloyntai me to PASOK, proseggizontas kai analyontas to politiko fainomeno PASOK h thn kybernhsh poy sthrizetai sto PASOK, me ayto ton tropo, o opoios einai apolytws lanqasmenos.

Kata ta alla, gnwrizete oti edw kai poly kairo, syzhteitai ena qema poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme. Einai ayto poy dinei th dynatothta stoys polites na ekfrazoyn tis pepoiqhseis, ta fronhmata toys, na diadhlwnoyn proballontas ta aithmata toys, xwris, omws, na periorizoyn etsi, ej antikeimenoy, th dynatothta allwn politwn na askoyn ta dika toys dikaiwmata. Ayto apotelei ena qema syzhthshs. H kybernhsh, ta armodia ypoyrgeia, asxoloyntai me ayto to qema, giati prepei na asxolhqoyn. Mas afora oloys.

MPOYRDARAS: Me bash to teleytaio sas sxolio, poy eipate oti kapoioi qa apogohteyqoyn, aytoi poy blepoyn krish sto PASOK: Ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs h synomilhths toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den exete thn entypwsh oti yparxei ayth th stigmh krish sto PASOK;

REPPAS: Epeidh akribws eimai polla xronia se ayth th qesh, prepei na sas pw oti sthn poreia aytwn twn xronwn, polles fores gia diaforoys logoys, antimetwpizontas tis antistaseis kai tis antidraseis pollwn paragontwn ektos PASOK, eixame polles dyskolies. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti opws tis jeperasame sto parelqon, to idio ginetai kai twra. Giati exoyme sygkekrimeno programma poy efarmozoyme, exoyme politiko sxedio gia th xwra kai thn poreia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayto akribws me kanei na pisteyw, na eimai bebaios, oti telika h prospaqeia mas qa stefqei apo epityxia. Giati einai koinh prospaqeia, oloys mas syndeoyn koinoi agwnes. Osoi eimaste se ayto ton politiko xwro, exoyme koino orama, ara, loipon, exoyme oles tis proypoqeseis na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytoys poy lete oti qa apogohteyqoyn, ennoeite ton k. Pagkalo kai ton k. Giannopoylo;

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Gi` ayto qa gracete eseis sta sxolia sas.

XRHSTAKOS: Lene diaforoi poy krinoyn thn kybernhsh -kai stelexh ths kybernhshs- oti exei jexasei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh to ``oloi mazi'', to synqhma poy isxye palaiotera. Isxyei ayto;

REPPAS: Isxyei to entelws antiqeto. Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi synedriaseis twn kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn organwn einai syxnotates. O Prwqypoyrgos exei amesoys synergates toys ypoyrgoys kai ta melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy. Sto plaisio aytwn twn synergasiwn lambanontai apofaseis gia ta megala qemata ths xwras.

GARGALAKOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres, tiqetai ypo amfibolia ena pragma poy palaiotera qewreito dedomeno, dhladh, an o Prwqypoyrgos epimenei se ayto poy onomazetai syntetagmenh poreia toy PASOK h an epidiwkei mia rhjh mesa sto idio to PASOK gia na prokalesei thn ananewsh. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti hmaste stis paryfes ths "nomimothtas", otan syzhtoyme qemata toy Kinhmatos, sto plaisio ayths ths kaqhmerinhs synanthshs mas. Den qa apofygw thn apanthsh. Exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, oti to Kinhma poy sthrizei ayth thn kybernhsh, to PASOK, exei mia kyriarxh, hgetikh paroysia sto politiko fasma ths xwras. Einai dynamh diarkoys ananewshs kai allaghs. H poreia mas einai syntetagmenh, einai symfwnh me tis katastatikes diadikasies. Bebaiws, pantote yparxei anagkh allagwn. Ayto exei deijei h peira poy exoyme apokomisei apo th symmetoxh mas sthn politikh zwh. Exoyn ginei sto parelqon shmantikes allages, se epipedo proswpwn kai se epipedo politikwn. Ginontai kai shmera allages, qa synexisoyn na ginontai kai sto mellon. Ayto einai symfyto me to nohma, to periexomeno ths politikhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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