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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Febroyarioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios htan o logos poy mphke mhxanhma asfaleias, gia toys dhmosiografoys sth xqesinh dejiwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Prwth fora ginetai ayto na se kalei kapoios se dejiwsh kai na se pernaei apo mhxanhma.

REPPAS: Pantote lambanontai metra asfaleias. Se aytes tis periptwseis pisteyw oti einai endedeigmeno na lambanontai tetoia metra. Gnwrizw kai apo proswpikh empeiria oti se oloys tis Synodoys ths E.E. kai se alles dieqneis synergasies yparxoyn ayta ta hlektronika mhxanhmata elegxoy twn proserxomenwn gia logoys asfaleias. Ayto den shmainei oti oi ypoyrgoi h oi alloi epishmoi poy proserxontai se mia tetoia diadikasia, poy dexontai, dhladh, na ypoblhqoyn se ayto ton elegxo einai ypoptoi h aytoprosdiorizontai ws atoma ta opoia mporei na kinhsoyn opoiadhpote ypocia. Pisteyw oti se mia tetoia synanthsh, opoy para polloi polites pairnoyn meros prepei na lambanontai metra asfaleias. Einai aytonohto kai nomizw oti oloi symfwnoyme se ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ta atoma htan sygkekrimena kai eixan onomastikes prosklhseis. Den htan anwnymoi.

REPPAS: Mh synexizete ayth th syzhthsh, giati exete adiko. Prepei na sas pw oti kai stis dieqneis synanthseis ta atoma poy symmetexoyn einai poly sygkekrimena ki exoyn analoges diapisteyseis. Prepei., epishs, na sas pw oti oi prosklhseis eixan apostalei sta MME. Sto fakelo anagrafontan, bebaiws, ta onomata twn apodektwn. Sthn kaqe prosklhsh, omws, den anaferotan sygkekrimeno onoma. Ayto prepei na to jerete, giati ta idia ta MME, sta opoia eixame apeyqynqei, proetoimazontas ayth th synanthsh, eixan epilejei toys synergates toys poy qa toys ekproswpoysan se ayth th dejiwsh. Prepei na pw, epishs oti para polloi den eixan mazi toys thn prosklhsh. Antilambaneste pws oi arxes asfaleias den einai dynato na gnwrizoyn ekatontades sympolites mas poy ergazontai se kapoia MME. Eprepe na exoyn kapoio stoixeio, to opoio na apodeiknyei oti pragmatika exoyn prosklhqei. Stis prosklhseis, epanalambanw, den anaferontan sygkekrimena onomata twn dhmosiografwn. Polloi, malista, den eixan thn prosklhsh mazi toys. Allwste, den yparxei kanena qema, giati oloi dexthkan na ypostoyn me th mia h allh morfh ena sxetiko elegxo gia logoys asfaleias. Den diatypwse kaneis antirrhsh. Giati, loipon, dhmioyrgeite qema xwris logo;

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Proedros ths ESHEA, k. Kiaos, diatypwse antirrhsh.

REPPAS: Ara, loipon, oloi oi alloi shmainei oti dexthkan na ypostoyn mia@ ejeytelistikh diadikasia h oti aytoprosdiorizontai ws "tromokrates" h ypoptoi gia paranomes energeies me to na dextoyn na ypostoyn ayto ton elegxo; Ayta einai yperbolika pragmata.

KARELIAS: Epeidh exei dhmioyrghqei sygxysh mporeite na mas peite an o Prwqypoyrgos apodokimazei h aspazetai tis apoceis poy exoyn ekfrasei, ton teleytaio kairo, ypoyrgoi h synergates toy, opws o k. Pantagias, gia thn anagkh ananewshs toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Exw dwsei leptomereis kai safeis apanthseis gia to qema ayto. Exw pei oti einai qemito na diatypwnontai problhmatismoi, oi opoioi einai gonimoi, symballoyn sth diakinhsh idewn kai apocewn kai odhgoyn sthn ananewsh twn kommatwn. Exw pei oti to Kinhma , to opoio sthrizei ayth thn kybernhsh, einai dynamh diarkoys ananewshs kai allaghs. Exw pei, epishs, oti o Prwqypoyrgos asfalws den gnwrize kai den yioqetei tis apoceis poy diatypwnontai, xwris na shmainei oti mporei na epibalei opoioysdhpote periorismoys sth dynatothta kai to dikaiwma poy exei o kaqenas na diatypwnei tis apoceis toy. Den prepei, loipon, apo th mia na yparxei ayth h eyqygrammh xrewsh, oyte apo thn allh na antimetwpizetai h dynatothta poy oloi anejairetws exoyme na diatypwnoyme eleyqera tis apoceis mas, me tropo poy na enoxopoiei opoion diatypwnei tetoies apoceis. Gnwrizete, omws, oti o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai se ligo me toys neoeklegmenoys grammateis twn tomeakwn kai nomarxiakwn epitropwn toy PASOK kai qa exei th dynatothta na anaferqei se ayta ta qemata, kaqws kai se polla alla.

GARGALAKOS: Me thn eykairia mias protashs nomoy ths N.D. gia ta panwtokia, h kybernhsh genika prosanatolizetai na kanei mia nea ryqmish panw se ayto to zhthma kai an nai, pote qa thn kanei;

REPPAS: O k. Papantwnioy, ws armodios ypoyrgos, exei dhlwsei oti h kybernhsh qa epidiwjei th xrysh tomh anamesa sta eyloga, opws ta xarakthrise, symferonta twn trapezwn kai ta aithmata poy exoyn diatypwsei oi daneiolhptes, oson afora to qema twn tokwn. Egw kanw mia parathrhsh poy qewrw oti einai xrhsimh: to epipedo sto opoio kinoyntan ta epitokia sth xwra mas kapoia xronia prin, einai poly diaforetiko apo to epipedo sto opoio kinoyntai shmera. Antilambaneste oti ayto paizei to rolo toy, oson afora thn ejelijh poy exei o anatokismos twn tokwn. Apo ekei kai pera, gia to qema ayto to logo exei o armodios ypoyrgos. Paramenoyme se ayta poy exei pei.

GROMAN: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh kapoies efhmerides exoyn dhmosieysei, shmera, kapoia nea stoixeia, qa hqela na rwthsw an yparxei kamia ejelijh sthn ypoqesh Sonters.

REPPAS: Yparxei pragmati olh ayth h proetoimasia sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, gia thn katartish enos neoy nomosxedioy, oson afora thn antimetwpish toy organwmenoy egklhmatos. Sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn diatypwnontai diafores apoceis. Metajy twn allwn, qa ginoyn kai prosqhkes h allages epi ta beltiw sto plaisio poy isxyei shmera gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn aytwn. To arqro 19 toy Syntagmatos problepei katw apo poies proypoqeseis kai gia poioys logoys einai dynato na arqei to aporrhto twn idiwtikwn syndialejewn, na perioristei to aporrhto ayto gia logoys sobarwn egklhmatwn h gia logoys eqnikhs asfaleias, an prokycei qema. Epishs, o n.2225/1994, sto arqro 4, problepei katw apo poies proypoqeseis kai me poio tropo einai dynato na arqoyn aytoi oi periorismoi. O nomos gia thn prostasia twn proswpikwn dedomenwn, sto arqro 11, exei epishs sxetikes diatajeis. H nea diatypwsh h opoia syzhteitai, ayth thn periodo, sto plaisio ths ergasias poy ginetai sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, qa gnwstopoihqei otan oloklhrwqei h diadikasia, otan oloklhrwqei, dhladh, h katastrwsh toy neoy nomosxedioy, poy anamenetai na ginei entos toy Martioy, prokeimenoy na parei to dromo pros th Boylh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tropopoieitai to arqro 19 toy Syntagmatos; Qa to tropopoihsete kai ayto;

REPPAS: Ayto katalabate; Isa-isa leme oti to arqro 19 toy Syntagmatos anaferei ena plaisio poy dinei th dynatothta mias proseggishs, san ayth poy exei yioqethqei se prohgoymena nomosxedia. Sto ypo katartish nomosxedio problepetai na ginei me enan tropo kapws diaforetiko, prokeimenoy na beltiwsoyme thn apotelesmatikothta twn yphresiwn sthn kateyqynsh antimetwpishs sobarwn egklhmatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai ayto to peri "eyqynhs ypoyrgwn" poy anakoinwse shmera o k. Benizelos, allazete olh ayth th diadikasia;

REPPAS: Sas parapempw sth syzhthsh poy egine sthn Epitroph gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Ekei qa deite oti yphrje mia sygklish olwn twn kommatwn, oson afora tis nees diatypwseis sto Syntagma. Syzhthsh gia to qema ayto ginetai kai shmera sth Boylh. Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se ayto to qema. O eishghths ths pleiochfias diatypwse me safhneia tis qeseis ths pleiochfias. H syzhthsh einai akoma se ejelijh. Oi apofaseis qa lhfqoyn thn katallhlh stigmh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kalyptete toys ypoyrgoys sas, dhladh.

REPPAS: Opws fainetai, h monh elpida poy exei h N.D. einai na "kynhga" synexeia toys ypoyrgoys kai thn kybernhsh toy PASOK gia na kanei antipoliteysh, afoy ta stelexh ths qewroyn pia oti den exoyn kamia prosdokia na ginoyn ypoyrgoi kai h idia na ginei kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, eseis ti qelete; Na kalyptete th diafqora;

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. H diafqora kalyptetai otan polloi, me enan tropo bermpalistiko, qewrhtiko, xwris na proteinoyn ypeyqyna, qetika metra, epitrepoyn na synthreitai mia katastash, thn opoia diaxeirizontai apokleistika kai mono gia logoys epikoinwniakoys h dhmioyrgias entypwsewn.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh exei anakoinwsei th diadikasia poy qa akoloyqhsei gia th metarryqmish sto asfalistiko. Qa labete ypoch sas sth diamorfwsh twn protasewn sas, tis protaseis ths GSEE poy anakoinwqhkan xqes kai ti sxolio kanete, afoy tis eidate;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, einai pagia arxh, einai qesh ths kybernhshs na proxwra se koinwniko dialogo me oloys toys emplekomenoys foreis, enocei ths katartishs enos nomosxedioy, enocei ths lhchs twn telikwn ths apofasewn. H kybernhsh, opws kai se prohgoymenes periptwseis, etsi kai gia to sygkekrimeno qema qa kinhqei me bash thn idia arxh. Den mporoyme na diatypwsoyme thn protash mas, afoy den exoyme sth diaqesh mas th meleth poy jenos symboylos, jenos oikos, exei analabei na ekponhsei gia logariasmo ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Otan qa exoyme sth diaqesh mas ayth thn ekqesh, ayto to porisma, qa proxwrhsoyme sth diatypwsh ths protashs mas poy qa einai, an qelete, kai to "enarkthrio laktisma" gia th diejagwgh aytoy toy koinwnikoy dialogoy. Kai tote o kaqenas qa pei tis apoceis toy, me kalh diaqesh kai me stash proseggishs kai synqeshs twn apocewn, giati to zhthma ayto einai poly shmantiko. Ypenqymizw oti sto programma staqerothtas kai anaptyjhs gia th xwra mas, to opoio enekrine to EKOFIN prin apo liges hmeres, anaferetai metajy twn allwn kai to asfalistiko san ena apo ta qemata poy prepei h Ellada na antimetwpisei epeigontws, dioti apotelei bomba sta qemelia anaptyjhs ths eqnikhs oikonomias.

MIXAHL: To gegonos einai to ejhs: San kybernhsh dwsate se enan oiko na sas kanei th meleth, na sas etoimasei kapoies protaseis. Qa tis labete ypoch sas, qa diatypwsete tis telikes apofaseis. Erxetai, omws, enas allos foreas amesa endiaferomenos, h GSEE, kai kataqetei tis dikes ths protaseis. Aytes qa tis labete ypoch sthn katartish twn dikwn sas protasewn;

REPPAS: Den qa proxwrhsoyme se diatypwsh allwn protasewn se ayth th fash. Qa to kanoyme sto plaisio toy koinwnikoy dialogoy. Afoy den exoyme katalhjei sth dikh mas protash, den mporoyme na diatypwsoyme kritikh gia alles protaseis.

MIXAHL: Oxi, qelw na maqw ean sth dikh sas protash qa labete...

REPPAS: Ma, h dikh mas protash qa diamorfwqei afoy laboyme thn ekqesh, th melethsoyme, ajiologhsoyme ta stoixeia ths kai katalhjoyme se ena sygkekrimeno keimeno.

MIXAHL: Rwtaw allo pragma: H GSEE eipe ta dika ths. Ayta qa ta labete ypoch sas sth diatypwsh twn protasewn sas; Einai safes to erwthma moy.

REPPAS: Emeis qa diatypwsoyme thn protash mas me bash th meleth poy qa perielqei se gnwsh mas. Kai bebaiws, sto plaisio toy koinwnikoy dialogoy, qa lhfqoyn ypoch oles oi apoceis poy diatypwnontai apo toys koinwnikoys foreis, prokeimenoy na fqasoyme sto epiqymhto apotelesma.

MPEKAS: Pote qa exete th meleth sta xeria sas;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei se sxetikh anakoinwsh poy ekdwsame thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, meta apo th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, oti ayth h meleth qa mas apostalei se dyo doseis:

-To prwto tmhma ths qa afora thn apotypwsh ths shmerinhs katastashs,

-To deytero tmhma ayths ths ekqeshs qa anaferetai se enallaktikes dynatothtes poy exoyme katw apo diaforetikes, kaqe fora, proypoqeseis, gia na fqasoyme ston epidiwkomeno skopo. Ayto anamenetai na ginei peri ta mesa Martioy.

MPOYATAR: Oi telikes protaseis ths kybernhshs pote qa doqoyn;

REPPAS: Otan laboyme thn ekqesh, th melethsoyme kai ajiologhsoyme to periexomeno ths, qa diatypwsoyme kai thn protash mas, prokeimenoy na arxisei o koinwnikos dialogos.

Sas eyxaristw.

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