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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Febroyarioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, synedriase shmera h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Gia to periexomeno ths synedriashs qa sas enhmerwsw, se genikes grammes.

O Prwqypoyrgos, lambanontas to logo anaferqhke, eisagwgikws, se orismenoys basikoys tomeis ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, kanontas synafh sxolia. Kat` arxas, milhse gia tis oikonomikes ejelijeis, legontas oti einai poly qetikh ejelijh h prosfath egkrish toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs ths xwras mas apo to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Epishs, ekane ena sxolio epishmainontas toys kindynoys poy mporei na prokycoyn apo thn endexomenh ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy, kaqws kai apo thn parathroymenh tash epibradynshs ths anaptyjhs sthn E.E. kai tis HPA, pragma omws poy symperasmatika -opws eipe- den prepei na afora emas idiaiterws, giati logw twn anaptyjiakwn porwn poy exoyme ejasfalisei, mporoyme na exoyme me bebaiothta poly ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs, opws oloi allwste anagnwrizoyn.

Anaferqhke, epishs, sto oti h E.E. exei egkainiasei th diadikasia dhmosieyshs diaforwn deiktwn poy aforoyn kapoia koinwnika megeqh. Oi deiktes aytoi emfanizoyn thn katastash mias koinwnias. Qa ginetai periodikh dhmosieysh tetoiwn deiktwn. Qa prepei na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas, wste kaqe fora, na mporei kaqe kalopistos melethths aytwn twn deiktwn na diapistwnei oti exoyme beltiwsei shmantika tis epidoseis mas, se sxesh me thn prohgoymenh periodo.

Oson afora thn ejwterikh politikh, o Prwqypoyrgos sxoliase idiaiterws to kypriako zhthma. Anefere oti eixe epikoinwnia, thn teleytaia periodo, me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Klhridh kai epanelabe oti htan orqh h epilogh ths kypriakhs kybernhshs, me symfwnh qesh kai ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, na parameinei sto trapezi twn synomiliwn, pragma poy exei odhghsei se dyskolh qesh thn allh pleyra. To lew ayto, giati qymaste oti eixan diatypwqei protaseis, eixan akoystei apoceis gia apoxwrhsh ths kypriakhs kybernhshs apo tis synomilies. Telikws, h epilogh gia paramonh ths Kyproy stis synomilies htan h orqh politikh, opws apodeiknyetai apo tis ejelijeis.

Oson afora to G@ Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs, meta thn oloklhrwsh twn diadikasiwn sta organa ths E.E., peripoy stis 15 Martioy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa einai etoimh na syzhthsei me leptomereies to qema ayto. Qa epanelqei, loipon, pros syzhthsh to qema, opws, epishs kai ta qemata toy agrotikoy tomea, poy me prwtoboylia toy o Prwqypoyrgos qa ta ferei pros syzhthsh se kybernhtiko organo, thn epomenh periodo.

Gia to asfalistiko zhthma, to opoio einai poly shmantiko, gnwrizete oti ginetai anafora sto qema apo to ECOFIN, sto plaisio toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs ths xwras mas. Anamenetai h meleth apo to bretaniko Oiko, ston opoio exei anateqei. H meleth ayth qa paradoqei se dyo doseis: To prwto tmhma ths qa afora thn apotypwsh ths shmerinhs katastashs, To deytero qa symperilambanei diafores enallaktikes dynatothtes poy exei h xwra mas, prokeimenoy katw apo orismenes -diaforetikes kaqe fora proypoqeseis- na fqasei sto epidiwkomeno apotelesma. Ypologizoyme oti sta mesa Martioy qa exoyme mia oloklhrwmenh eikona, afoy ayth h meleth qa einai pleon se gnwsh mas, prokeimenoy na diatypwsoyme thn prwth proseggish mas, tis prwtes apoceis mas kai na anoijei etsi enas kyklos dialogoy gia ta qemata ayta.

Oson afora thn Olympiakh Aeroporia, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti oloklhrwqhke to prwto stadio, meta thn anoikth prosklhsh endiaferontos. Proxwroyme sto epomeno stadio. Qa klhqoyn oi tesseris endiaferomenoi foreis -toys opoioys kat arxas exei epilejei o dieqnhs symboylos me ton opoio synergazetai h O.A.- na kataqesoyn tis desmeytikes prosfores toys.

Oson afora tis diarqrwtikes allages, proxwroyn symfwna me to plano poy exoyme. Hdh, apo tis 16 poy exoyme ejaggeilei, exoyme mia shmantikh proodo. Exoyn pragmatopoihqei eji. Thn epomenh periodo, entos toy mhnos Febroyarioy, gnwrizete oti apeleyqerwnetai h agora Energeias. H proqesmia poy exei orisei h E.E. einai h 27h Febroyarioy.

Oson afora tis allages sto forologiko systhma, epanabebaiwqhke h qesh mas, pws opoies forologikes metarryqmiseis ginoyn, qa pragmatopoihqoyn to 2002, gia na isxysoyn apo to 2003.

Oson afora thn Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, oi diadikasies syzhthshs sth Boylh proxwroyn me poly ikanopoihtiko ryqmo. Oi qeseis poy exoyme diatypwsei, qewroyme oti einai oi swstes. Ayto apodeiknyetai kai twra poy h syzhthsh dieyrynetai me th symmetoxh olwn twn boyleytwn sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs.

Oson afora ton tomea ths Paideias, qema aixmhs ths politikhs mas sto xwro ayto einai h prowqhsh toy nomosxedioy gia thn anwtatopoihsh twn TEI. Afoy oloklhrwqei o kyklos proetoimasias kai syzhthshs me toys endiaferomenoys foreis, to nomosxedio ayto qa prowqhqei sth Boylh, peri ta mesa Martioy.

Oson afora toys nomoys, toys opoioys exei chfisei prosfata h kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane idiaiterh mneia sto nomo gia to ESR, poy metajy twn allwn anabaqmizei perissotero thn anejarthsia toy organoy kai problepei ena neo tropo sygkrothshs toy, me diatajh poy qa teqei se isxy meta thn oloklhrwsh twn syzhthsewn gia thn Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos.

Oson afora toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, to qema ayto qa einai sto epikentro toy endiaferontos twn politwn, alla kai ths dieqnoys koinothtas gia para poly kairo, mexri tote, dhladh, poy qa diejaxqoyn oi Agwnes. H poreia einai omalh. Exoyme kerdisei to xameno xrono. H syzhthsh h opoia kaqe fora ginetai sta diafora organa, poy asxoloyntai me to qema ayto, opws kai sth xqesinh synedriash ths diypoyrgikhs epitrophs, einai mia anoikth syzhthsh, opoy me dhmioyrgiko tropo paratiqentai oles oi apoceis, prokeimenoy na yparxei plhrhs enhmerwsh olwn twn melwn aytwn twn organwn, gia to poia einai h pragmatikh katastash sthn opoia briskomaste shmera kai poia einai ta epomena bhmata poy prepei na ginoyn, prokeimenoy na fqasoyme sto stoxo mas. Oloi prepei na einai plhroforhmenoi. Gi ayto oloi, opws dikaioyntai na exoyn thn plhroforhsh gia tomeis poy den anhkoyn sth dikh toys armodiothta, qa prepei na dinoyn epishs plhroforhsh se oloys toys synadelfoys toys gia na yparxei ayto to kekthmeno enhmerwshs, poy bohqa para poly gia mia syntonismenh drash sthn poreia proetoimasias ths xwras mas gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004.

Oson afora to megalo ergo toy neoy Aerodromioy ``ELEYQERIOS BENIZELOS'' sta Spata, gia mia akomh fora anaferqhkan sygkekrimena stoixeia, ta opoia deixnoyn thn orqh politikh, alla kai thn yperoxh ayths ths politikhs mas, se sxesh me ayth poy akoloyqhse h N.D. poy gia mikro xroniko diasthma diaxeiristhke to zhthma ayto. Gnwrizete oti qa ginei ayrio syzhthsh sth Boylh, me aformh sxetikes erwthseis poy exoyn katateqei. O Prwqypoyrgos qa exei th dynatothta na dwsei apanthseis kai na anaferqei me leptomereies sto qema ayto. Pantws, sas lew se poly genikes grammes, oti ola einai etoima, wste h Ellada sto telos toy epomenoy mhna na qesei se leitoyrgia to pio sygxrono Aerodromio ths Eyrwphs. Exoyn ginei oi aparaithtes proergasies. Oloi oi foreis poy amesws h emmesws emplekontai me thn proetoimasia gia th leitoyrgia toy Aerodromioy exoyn kanei to kaqhkon toys. Oi ekkremothtes poy apomenoyn qa antimetwpistoyn apotelesmatika mesa stis epomenes hmeres. Qewroyme oti mexri to telos Martioy to Aerodromio sta Spata qa teqei se leitoyrgia, opws exoyme pei edw kai poly kairo.

To ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs gnwrizete oti exei sygkrothsei Epitroph apo empeirognwmones, episthmones, dikastikoys kai alloys, oi opoioi epejergazontai ena plaisio diatajewn gia thn antimetwpish toy organwmenoy egklhmatos. Bainei pros to telos h ergasia ayth. Qa ginoyn sxetikes anakoinwseis apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, stis arxes Martioy.

Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me antiproswpeia ths KEDKE kai sth shmerinh synedriash anaferqhke sta qemata Aytodioikhshs. Eipe oti h dikh mas kybernhsh einai ayth poy exei kanei qesmikes tomes kai exei parei shmantikes prwtoboylies se ayto ton tomea. Mas endiaferei na bohqhsoyme thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh na antimetwpisei ta problhmata poy exei shmera.

Telos, anaferqhke sto genikotero politiko klima. Eipe oti pantote, asfalws, h Antipoliteysh prospaqei na ektrecei th dhmosia syzhthsh apo to pedio twn pragmatikwn problhmatwn. Tonise oti epixeirei na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis. Emeis, omws, ypogrammise, prepei na eimaste apotelesmatikoi sth doyleia mas, prokeimenoy apo ta apotelesmata ayths ths doyleias na diapistwnei o poliths oti beltiwnetai h kaqhmerinh zwh toy. Taytoxronws, qa prepei na dinoyme pantote peistikes, isxyres kai ``epiqetikes'' apanthseis se oloys ekeinoys, oi opoioi me ceydeis isxyrismoys prospaqoyn na skiasoyn th shmasia toy ergoy mas.

Qa moy epitrecete, sto shmeio ayto, na epanelqw se orismena apo ta qemata poy syzhthqhkan:

Oson afora ta Balkania, parathreitai, kata thn teleytaia periodo, mia staqerothta me ejairesh kapoies esties krishs poy den anatrepoyn pantws to skhniko ths staqerothtas. Kai ayto se antiqesh me tis ejelijeis sth Mesh Anatolh, poy fainetai oti, toylaxiston se ayth th fash -kai elpizoyme oti ayth h fash qa einai proswrinh- paragoyn astaqeia.

Yphrje ayth h epikoinwnia me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn twn HPA. Qewroyme oti h kybernhsh twn HPA, poy proekyce meta tis prosfates ekloges, qa exei, sta qemata poy aforoyn thn perioxh mas, proseggiseis poy einai konta stis qeseis mas.

Oson afora tis thlepikoinwnies, ektimatai oti paroysiazetai dieqnws mia krish ston tomea ayto. Megaloi thlepikoinwniakoi organismoi se alles xwres ths E.E. briskontai se kamch. Gnwrizete oti sthn Ellada exoyn hdh doqei pente adeies staqerhs thlefwnias se idiwtikoys foreis. Ayto shmainei oti sto amesws epomeno diasthma, meta thn apeleyqerwsh ths agoras thlepikoinwniwn, o OTE qa exei na antimetwpisei antagwnistes, idiwtikoys foreis.

Oson afora to aerodromio "ELEYQERIOS BENIZELOS" sta Spata, gnwrizete oti to ergo ayto einai polysynqeto. Penhnta diaforetikes drasthriothtes kai foreis prepei na synerghsoyn, prokeimenoy na etoimastei kai na leitoyrghsei to aerodromio. Einai ena poly megalo ergo. Se liga 24wra ektimoyme oti qa exoyme ejasfalisei apo oloys toys armodioys organismoys tis bebaiwseis kai tis pistopoihseis poy einai aparaithtes, wste na prosdiorisoyme kai thn hmera enarjhs leitoyrgias toy. To ergo ayto -to megalytero poy ginetai ayth th stigmh sthn Eyrwph- gnwrizete oti, apo kataskeyastikhs apocews, exei oloklhrwqei apo ton prohgoymeno Oktwbrh. Olh ayth thn periodo ginontai dokimes kai elegxoi, prokeimenoy na yparjei plhrhs ajiologhsh twn leitoyrgiwn toy.

Oson afora tis prosbaseis -epeidh pollh syzhthsh ginetai gia to qema ayto- prepei na poyme oti oxi mono exoyme antapokriqei stis symbatikes ypoxrewseis mas, alla exoyme jeperasei kai to epipedo sto opoio shmera qa eprepe na exoyme fqasei. Enw apofeygw na to kanw se alles periptwseis, qa sas anaferw ena paradeigma: Eixame symbatikh ypoxrewsh na paradwsoyme to Martio thn odo poy syndeei ta Spata me thn Pallhnh. Emeis, peran aytoy toy tmhmatos, dinoyme sthn kykloforia kai to tmhma poy syndeei thn Pallhnh me to Geraka, opws epishs kai alla tmhmata se alla shmeia.

H meleth poy egine apo Epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy kaqhghth k. Frantzeskakh, edeije oti oi katoikoi twn 82 apo toys 87 dhmoys ths Attikhs mporoyn na fqasoyn sto neo aerodromio se 60' kai oti oi katoikoi twn 52 dhmwn poy sygkentrwnoyn kai th megalh pleiochfia twn politwn poy katoikoyn sthn Attikh, qa exoyn th dynatothta na fqanoyn sto aerodromio se xrono mikrotero twn 45@. Genikws, ektimatai oti h prosbash sto neo aerodromio qa ginetai se mikrotero xrono, apo o,ti shmera.

Ajizei, bebaia, na anaferqoyme kai sto gegonos oti meta tis diapragmateyseis poy ekane h kybernhsh toy PASOK gia thn kataskeyh toy aerodromioy, eixame ena oikonomiko kerdos ycoys 100 dis. draxmwn. Opws, epishs, kai sto gegonos oti h synekmetalleysh toy aerodromioy qa einai gia 30 kai oxi gia 50 xronia, opws eixe symfwnhsei h kybernhsh ths N.D. Exoyn epishs allajei kai ta etairika meridia yper toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy. Enw h kybernhsh ths N.D. eixe symfwnhsei na einai 60% yper toy jenoy forea kai 40% yper toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, meta th diapragmateysh poy ekane h kybernhsh mas, ta pososta ayta diamorfwqhkan se ycos 45% gia to jeno forea kai 55% gia to ellhniko Dhmosio.

Oson afora thn Olympiakh Aeroporia, apo toys ennea omiloys poy arxika eixan dhmosiws anakoinwsei oti qa symmetasxoyn sth diadikasia ayth, kateqesan protaseis eji omiloi, apo toys opoioys epeleghsan -apo to dieqnh symboylo me ton opoio synergazetai h O.E.- tesseris omiloi. Poly syntoma oi tesseris aytoi foreis qa klhqoyn na kataqesoyn tis desmeytikes prosfores toys sto plaisio diagwnistikhs diadikasias. H O.A. qa toys enhmerwsei, tis epomenes hmeres, gia to synoliko paketo twn stoixeiwn poy idiwtikopoioyntai. Einai h Olympiakh Aeroporia, h Olympiakh Aeroploia, oi Makedonikes Aerogrammes, oi qygatrikes etairies ths O.A. sto synolo toys, ektos apo thn Olympiakh Toyristikh poy einai mia poly mikrh etairia kai brisketai edw kai kairo ypo ekkaqarish.

H ajiologhsh twn desmeytikwn prosforwn poy anamenetai na katateqoyn, ypologizetai oti qa ginei peri ta telh toy erxomenoy Aprilh.

Oson afora ta qemata Paideias, pisteyoyme oti, afoy oloklhrwqei o kyklos twn syzhthsewn me toys endiaferomenoys foreis, peri ta mesa Marth, qa katateqei to sxetiko nomosxedio sth Boylh pros syzhthsh kai chfish. Miloyme gia "anwtatopoihsh" twn TEI kai oxi gia thn "panepisthmiopoihsh" toys. Kai to lew ayto, giati dinetai entelws lanqasmena h entypwsh pws qigontai epaggelmatika dikaiwmata, pws qa exoyme mia apolyth taytish twn TEI me ta AEI. Gia na eimaste pio sygkekrimenoi, mporoyme na poyme oti h nea katastash poy qa diamorfwqei meta thn chfish toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy, qa einai antistoixh ayths poy epikratei stis alles xwres ths E.E. Qa dhmioyrghqoyn, dhladh, tesseris baqmides didaskontwn kai sta TEI, opws kai sta AEI. Qa yparxei diadikasia elegxoy kai ajiologhshs twn didaskontwn sta TEI. Eidika gia toys kaqhghtes twn TEI prwths baqmidas, h ajiologhsh qa ginei apo epitropes panepisthmiakwn kaqhghtwn. Stoxos mas einai na "anwtatopoihsoyme" ta TEI, xwris omws na qigontai epaggelmatika dikaiwmata. Ta AEI exoyn th dikh toys apostolh. Ta TEI, me th nea morfh toys, qa exoyn kyrio antikeimeno tis spoydes ston texniko kyriws tomea, spoydes efarmoghs, opws legontai.

Kleinontas ayth th syzhthsh, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti qa parei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na lhfqoyn syntoma oristikes apofaseis gia ta qemata poy paramenoyn akomh anoikta. Kai bebaiws, qa synexistei ayth h diadikasia elegxoy efarmoghs twn apofasewn poy exoyme labei gia qemata poy mas exoyn apasxolhsei sto parelqon, palaiotera kai prosfata.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prokeitai na ginei kapoio olympiako ergo;

REPPAS: Lypoymai giati o tropos me ton opoio qetete thn erwthsh sas topoqetei sthn kathgoria ekeinwn poy sthn Ellada, kyriws omws sto ejwteriko, me kaqe tropo diatypwnoyn amfibolies gia to an h Ellada mporei na diorganwsei toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den eipa gi ayto.

REPPAS: Einai bebaio oti oi O.A. toy 2004, oxi aplws qa ginoyn sthn Ellada, alla qa einai apolytws epityxhmenoi. Gi ayto den prepei na exete kamia amfibolia. Kai sas kalw ki esas, opws kai oloys toys polites, na symballete, gia na fqasoyme se ayto to poly kalo apotelesma, to opoio allwste epiqymoyme oloi. Oson afora ta erga, gnwrizete poly kala oti oson afora tis kataskeyes, sto megalytero pososto toys exoyn ginei. Einai erga poy asfalws qa xrhsimopoihqoyn me thn eykairia ths diorganwshs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, alla einai erga poy exoyn mia diarkh xrhsh kai prin kai meta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Ta erga poy aforoyn ayth kaq eayth th diorganwsh twn O.A. bebaiws proxwroyn. Den exoyme kaqysterhseis poy na dhmioyrgoyn kindynoys gia th diorganwsh. Kaqe allo. Kalyptoyme to xameno xrono. Pisteyoyme oti htan qetikh ejelijh ayth twn teleytaiwn hmerwn, poy afora to Olympiako Xwrio. Bebaiws, prepei na kanoyme nyxqhmeron prospaqeia gia na fqasoyme sto stoxo poy exoyme qesei, gia th diejagwgh dhladh mias epityxhmenhs Olympiadas, alla eimaste diateqeimenoi, epeidh exoyme synaisqhsh toy xreoys kai twn eyqynwn mas, na kataballoyme thn prospaqeia kai na fqasoyme se ayto to aisio apotelesma. Kai qa fqasoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy peite tote giati yphrje ayth h gkrinia, ayto to ``mpaxalo'', sth diypoyrgikh epitroph xqes;

REPPAS: Milate san na gnwrizete ta panta...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw stis efhmerides ta diabasa.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti oydeis ej oswn grafoyn stis efhmerides den htan parwn se ayth th syskech. Na protimhsete na exete enhmerwsh apo aytoys poy einai parontes kai diamorfwnoyn ta gegonota kai oxi apo aytoys poy ta plhroforoyntai mesw tritwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo aytoys bgainoyn ta dhmosieymata.

REPPAS: Sas kalw kai pali na symballete mazi me oloys toys polites, giati ektos apo dhmosiografos, eiste poliths ayths ths xwras, wste h Ellada na proetoimastei kai na organwsei aytoys toys spoydaioys Agwnes me apolyth epityxia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa anoijei to Aerodromio thn 1h Martioy, opws eixe balei stoixhma o k. Laliwths, otan paralambane to Aerodromio; Giati shmera lete oti ola einai ``meli- gala'' kai oti den exei kaqysterhsei tipota.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti edw kai perissotero apo dyo xronia, toso h kataskeyastria etaireia, oso kai h kybernhsh eixan prosdiorisei to Martio toy 2001 -to exoyme syzhthsei allwste ki edw- ws to mhna ekeino kata ton opoio qa arxisei na leitoyrgei to Aerodromio. Eixe pragmati anaferqei kai h 1h Martioy. Edw kai dyo xronia. Ayto deixnei me poso qaymasth akribeia exoyme proseggisei xronika to stoxo mas: Na leitoyrghsei to Aerodromio to Martio toy 2001. Qymizw -giati eykola jexnoyme se ayth th xwra, alla nomizw oti otan exoyme thn eykairia kai eykola qymomaste- oti liges hmeres, ena mhna prin leitoyrghsei to Attiko Metro, h antipoliteysh se diaforoys tonoys kindynologoyse legontas oti den prokeitai na leitoyrghsei h oti qa yparjoyn kindynoi -to eipe ki ayto- giati qa sygkroyontai oi syrmoi! To METRO leitoyrgei, to xrhsimopoioyn ekatontades xiliades sympolites mas kaqe hmera. To idio qa ginei kai me to Aerodromio. Oi ``Kassandres'' qa diaceysqoyn, giati ayth einai h moira toys, fainetai, me thn politikh poy akoloyqoyn. Na eisprattoyn diaceyseis kai apogohteyseis. Emeis exoyme kanei o,ti prepei na kanoyme, prokeimenoy to Aerodromio na leitoyrghsei ton erxomeno Martio. Kai prepei na sas pw oti den yparxei logikos, kalopistos poliths se ayth th xwra, o opoios otan blepei na leitoyrgei ena sygxrono Aerodromio kai na symballei @giati exei megalh gewpolitikh kai oikonomikh shmasia gia th xwra mas h leitoyrgia aytoy toy Aerodromioy- sthn anaptyjh ths xwras mas, na periorizetai se ayth th memcimoirh kritikh, gia to oti kapoies hmeres meta apo aytes poy eixame pei edw kai dyo-tria xronia leitoyrgei to Aerodromio. Ayth h politikh poy askeitai apo politika kommata pisteyw oti ta katadikazei na metapiptoyn kai na ekfylizontai se omades kataggelias kai diamartyrias. Payoyn na einai pia sobara politika kommata.

KARAGIANNH: Gia th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs eipate oti qa prepei na dinetai plhroforhsh. Kai to erwthma einai, ean o Prwqypoyrgos exei diapistwsei aproqymia, sthn poreia proetoimasias gia toys O.A., na doqoyn plhrofories gia to ergo enos ekastoy.

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola ayto einai mia genikh qesh. Einai kanonas. Bebaiws, oloi prepei na plhroforoyntai, sto plaisio mias omadas poy exei synergazomena melh, gia thn epiteyjh enos koinoy stoxoy. Kai oi ypoyrgoi prepei na plhroforoyn, o enas ton allon kai to ``2004'' kai to ``2004'' prepei na plhroforei thn kybernhsh kai toys ypoyrgoys gia tis drasthriothtes toy, prokeimenoy etsi na gnwrizoyme poio einai to epipedo anaforas, poia einai h katastash sthn opoia briskomaste, poia einai ta epomena bhmata poy prepei na kanoyme gia na fqasoyme sto stoxo mas.

KARAGIANNH: O Prwqypoyrgos, se liges hmeres, metabainei sta Skopia sto plaisio ths Diabalkanikhs Diaskechs kai qa exei epafes me to Skopiano omologo toy. To erwthma einai, o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh qewroyn oti stis syzhthseis poy qa ginoyn sth geitona xwra einai desmeytikh h apofash twn politikwn arxhgwn toy 1992, se o,ti afora to onoma ayths ths xwras.

REPPAS: To qema ayto antimetwpizetai sto plaisio toy OHE. Ara, exei mia poly sygkekrimenh kai kaqorismenh poreia h syzhthsh gia to qema ths onomasias toy geitonikoy kratoys. To klima, bebaiws, exei allajei se sxesh me to parelqon. Apodeijh aytoy einai kai to gegonos oti organwnetai sta Skopia ayth h Diabalkanikh Diaskech Koryfhs, h opoia opws gnwrizete kaqierwqhke me prwtoboylia ths Elladas. Pisteyoyme oti h beltiwsh aytoy toy klimatos symballei wste na proseggisoyn oi filoi twn Skopiwn to qema ths onomasias -ayth thn ekkremothta, dhladh- me ena diaforetiko pneyma. Giati, tote yphrxe kaxypocia kai entash. Twra, ta pragmata einai diaforetika. Alla, to qema ayto paramenei sto plaisio toy OHE kai pisteyoyme oti mporei na breqei lysh amoibaiws wfelimh. Ayth einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, h opoia paramenei sthn protash poy einai gnwsth se sas, thn protash poy exei kanei, oson afora to qema ths onomasias.

MPOYRDARAS: Mhpws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos poia einai ta anoikta qemata, epi twn opoiwn qa analabei prwtoboylies gia th lhch oristikwn apofasewn;

REPPAS: Den eipa oti o Prwqypoyrgos desmeyqhke na ferei pros syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio sygkekrimena qemata; Ta qemata toy agrotikoy tomea, epi paradeigmati Gia qemata politikhs se orismenoys tomeis, opws ths ygeias, paideias, dhmosias dioikhshs, ergasias kai asfalishs, opws gnwrizete, exoyme labei apofaseis se epipedo kybernhtikwn organwn. Yparxoyn kai alloi tomeis orismena qemata twn opoiwn prepei na syzhthqoyn se ena analogo epipedo. Ayto einai poy epishmane.

MIXAHL: Mhpws eseis, ws melos ths kybernhshs, kai h kybernhsh genikotera gnwrizei pws parapemfqhke o Andreas Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Ayta einai istorika stoixeia, ta opoia einai apolytws didaktika gia osoys endiaferontai na melethsoyn thn prosfath politikh istoria toy topoy mas. Kapoioi, bebaiws, den didaskontai apo ta laqh toys, gi ayto akribws kai ta epanalambanoyn. To qema einai oti gia thn periodo ekeinh, h xwra mas, alla kai o politikos kosmos plhrwse bary qesmiko kai politiko timhma. O Andreas Papandreoy gnwrizete oti ejelegh kai pali prwqypoyrgos, to 1993, me panhgyriko tropo. Ayth einai h megalh dikaiwsh gia enan politiko, h ekdhlwsh sto proswpo toy ths empistosynhs twn sympolitwn toy. Kata ta alla, h Nea Dhmokratia as jekaqarisei ta eswterika ths, giati fainetai pws eite exei asqenh mnhmh, eite exei enoxes kai prospaqei na parapoihsei ta istorika stoixeia.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Eipate oti den yparxoyn kaqysterhseis sta erga, kalyptoyme to xameno xrono kai qa kanoyme prospaqeia gia aisio apotelesma. Efoson den yparxoyn kaqysterhseis, giati pisteyete oti h k. Aggelopoyloy eipe oti prepei na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi;

REPPAS: Einai ena koino aithma ayto. O Prwqypoyrgos, kat` epanalhch, exei milhsei gia thn anagkh na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi ws kybernhsh. Oi ypoyrgoi, ki egw gia qemata toy dikoy moy tomea, einai anagkh na eimaste pantote perissotero apotelesmatikoi. Aytes oi diapistwseis einai aytonohtes, sto plaisio ths prospaqeias na kerdisoyme ena toso megalo stoixhma. H synergasia einai poly kalh. Kai pisteyw oti me ayth th synergasia exoyme qesei tis baseis kai exoyme ejasfalisei tis proypoqeseis gia na ftasoyme se mia apolytws epityxhmenh diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh einai enoxlhmenh apo to gegonos oti h k. Aggelopoyloy epeleje ayth th stigmh, poy einai kai o k. Rogk edw, na kanei aytes tis dhlwseis;

REPPAS: Ola ayta einai symperasmata dika sas. Einai ermhneies poy dinete eseis se osa lene diaforoi paragontes. Egw gnwrizw tis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Rogk, meta tis prwtes synanthseis poy eixe. Kai oi dhlwseis toy htan para poly qetikes. Gnwrizete oti, metajy twn allwn, me kathgorhmatiko tropo, xarakthrizontas ta malista san hliqiothtes, san blakeies, san asteiothtes, eipe oti den yparxei qema allaghs edras twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004. Alla, synhqws, aytos einai o kanonas sthn enhmerwsh: Paraleipoyme o,ti qetiko anaferetai kai estiazoyme to endiaferon mas ekei poy mporei na prokycei kati, to opoio apotelei, kata thn apoch mas, stoixeio gia kritikh, gia apodokimasia. Epiteloys, h Ellada einai mia sxetika mikrh xwra poy exei analabei ena toso megalo egxeirhma. Den einai polles xwres me to diko mas megeqos poy exoyn analabei th diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Qa antapokriqoyme me apolyth epityxia se ayth thn proklhsh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh poy epimenw, alla aytes tis dhlwseis tis ekane h k. Aggelopoyloy, ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy, den tis kataskeyasan oi dhmosiografoi. Gi aytes qa hqela ena sxolio.

REPPAS: Milhsa gia ermhneies kai symperasmata.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ma, h k. Aggelopoyloy eipe oti den jerw an oloi oi ypoyrgoi exoyn synaisqhsh ti shmainei katepeigon. Ti shmainei ayto, dhladh, gia sas;

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta apanthsa molis prin me aformh alles erwthseis. Den eipa oti exoyme apolyth synaisqhsh toy xreoys kai ths eyqynhs mas, kaqws etoimazomaste gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes;

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Nai, alla h k. Aggelopoyloy leei@

REPPAS: Na rwthsete thn k. Aggelopoyloy. Emeis pisteyoyme oti ola bainoyn etsi opws prepei. Apo ekei kai pera aporw giati apeyqynete se mena mia erwthsh poy prepei na exei allo apodekth kai aporw giati den to exete kanei mexri twra, afoy eiste toso kalos syntakths. Thn rwthsate; Phrate apanthsh apo thn k. Aggelopoyloy;

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Th rwthsame kai mas eipe oti aytos einai o qesmikos ths rolos@

REPPAS: Thn rwthsate, loipon, giati ta eipe ayta kai sas apanthse oti aytos einai o rolos ths o qesmikos. O qesmikos, loipon, rolos ths k. Aggelopoyloy, opws kai o qesmikos rolos twn ypoyrgwn, einai o kaqenas sto diko toy tomea, oi ypoyrgoi sto plaisio kybernhtikwn armodiothtwn kai h k. Aggelopoyloy ws epikefalhs toy "2004" na synergastoyn, prokeimenoy na ftasoyme ston koino stoxo. Oi ypoyrgoi enhmerwnoyn allhloys. Enhmerwnoyn kai ton "2004". O "2004" enhmerwnei toys ypoyrgoys poy synergazontai mazi toy, prokeimenoy etsi na ftasoyme ston teliko stoxo. Kai ayto ginetai.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Apo tis dhlwseis, omws, prokyptei oti den yparxei ayth h synergasia.

REPPAS: Ta symperasmata ta bgazete eseis. Eipa egw kati tetoio;

SOYRMELH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas qesw dyo erwthseis: H prwth einai gia to "Makedoniko". Eipate oti h kybernhsh paramenei sthn protash poy exei kanei peri toy onomatos. Mhpws epigrammatika qa mporoysate na mas peite ayth thn protash; Kai h deyterh einai sxetika me thn Olympiakh. Otan lete telh toy erxomenoy Aprilioy, tote ypologizete oti qa exei jekaqarisei poios qa thn parei;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti tote mporei na ginei h ajiologhsh twn desmeytikwn prosforwn kai na fqasoyme se mia telikh apofash. Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, h diadikasia ston OHE, argosyrth mporei na pei kaneis, alla pantws einai se ejelijh kai den xreiazetai na poyme tipota allo sxetika me ayto.

SOYRMELH: Epeidh eipate gia thn ellhnikh protash@

REPPAS: To qema ayto, epanalambanw, paramenei sto shmeio ekeino poy htan otan jekinhse h syzhthsh.

SOYRMELH: Gia thn Olympiakh, eipate gia tesseris omiloys. Qa dwsete sth dhmosiothta ta onomata twn omilwn;

REPPAS: Exoyn doqei sth dhmosiothta kai nomizw oti h O.A. kai to armodio ypoyrgeio qa kanoyn anakoinwseis tis hmeres aytes, kaqws qa jekinhsei h diadikasia gia thn ypobolh twn desmeytikwn prosforwn, opoy ola ayta ta stoixeia qa gnwstopoihqoyn.

KARAGIANNH: Sthn agwgh poy kateqese o k. Mpompolas kata toy "Eleyqeroy Typoy" kai toy dieyqynth toy, zhtaei dyo dis, diatypwnontai kai emmeses, alla safeis apeiles kata ths zwhs toy k. Kyrtsoy. Sygkekrimena shmeiwnetai oti symfwna me to Astiko Dikaio stoys sykofantes epiballetai o qanatos. Me aformh, loipon, aytes tis emmeses, alla safeis apeiles o k. Kyrtsos se kyrio arqro ths efhmeridas, shmera, zhtaei thn prostasia toy apo thn eynomoymenh Politeia. Parakalw qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: To qema ayto den afora thn kybernhsh. Einai mia diafora metajy paragontwn, oi opoioi kaqenas apo th dikh toy pleyra proballoyn tis qeseis toys h diekdikoyn ta symferonta toys, me ton tropo poy h syntetagmenh politeia mas toys epitrepei na kanoyn. Mia efhmerida askei thn kritikh ths me ton tropo poy nomizei oti prepei na thn askhsei. Enas paragontas xrhsimopoiei ta endika mesa poy h dhmokratikh politeia mas toy parexei, prokeimenoy na yperaspistei ton eayton toy, thn proswpikothta toy, efoson qewrei oti qigetai. Den afora thn kybernhsh. Na sas pw oti egw shmera, epeidh exw dexqei agwgh apozhmiwshs apo dikhgoro gia kati poy pote den eipa, sto plaisio ayths ths enhmerwshs, egkaloymai na dikastw apo to Prwtodikeio Aqhnwn. O dikhgoros k. Stamoylhs me egkalese gia to legomeno qema twn germanikwn apozhmiwsewn, epeidh qewrhse oti eipa kati, to opoio oydepote eipa, oti dhqen apedwsa alla kinhtra se ayth thn prwtoboylia toy, antiqetws me ta osa anaferontai sthn politikh enhmerwsh poy kaname tote. Egkaloymai gia kati poy den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Ara, loipon, o k. Stamoylhs askei to dikaiwma toy. Egw qa xrhsimopoihsw ta mesa poy exw sth diaqesh moy, prokeimenoy, apeyqynomenos sta dikasthria ths xwras mas, na katadeijw oti den exei dikio.

KARAGIANNH: Dhladh, afhnei adiaforh thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti enas paragontas toy dhmosioy bioy se ena epishmo nomiko eggrafo diatypwnei apeiles kata ths zwhs enos alloy paragonta toy dhmosioy bioy;

REPPAS: Edw, loipon, an yparxei qema gia tis dikastikes arxes ths xwras mas, kapoios eisaggeleas, efoson krinei oti diatypwnetai mia tetoia apeilh prepei na epilhfqei. Den einai, omws, qema ths kybernhshs ayto. Einai qema twn dikastikwn arxwn. Emeis, edw, den mporoyme na poyme tipota parapanw.

Eyxaristw poly.

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