Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-01-08

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Ianoyarioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Xronia polla kai kalh xronia. Eyxomai ygeia kai eytyxia se oloys.

Na sas enhmerwsw en taxei gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy kata tis prosexeis hmeres:

O Prwqypoyrgos ayth thn wra syzhta me ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs Niko Xristodoylakh, o opoios synodeyetai apo ton kaqhghth Biologias toy Panepisthmioy ths Krhths, giatro k. Xaralampo Sabbakh, poy exei ws episthmonas kai ereynhths kanei kati para poly spoydaio, oson afora to DNA. Exei epityxei, opws lene oi eidikoi, to perasma toy gonidioy apo mia morfh se mia allh. Ayto mporei na dwsei kai praktika apotelesmata. An h meqodos ayth tyxei eidikeymenhs efarmoghs qa allajei polla pragmata sthn koinwnia mas. Einai pragmatika prwtoporos episthmonas ston tomea ayto kai gi ayto akribws o Prwqypoyrgos ton kalese gia na ton timhsei kai na akoysei apo ton idio thn ereynhtikh ergasia poy exei kanei.

Argotera, stis 13.30, qa dexqei ton k. Benizelo kai ton kaqhghth k. Papadhmhtrioy, to nomiko symboylo toy, gia na syzhthsoyn qemata poy aforoyn thn epikeimenh syzhthsh gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, sthn olomeleia ths Boylhs, poy qa arxisei thn epomenh, telikws, ebdomada, thn Tetarth 17/1.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ton k. Laliwth gia qemata armodiothtas toy YPEXWDE. Argotera, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa dexqei thn k. Aggelopoyloy epikefalhs toy ``Aqhna 2004''. To apogeyma, stis 19.30, qa dexqei ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs Mixalh Staqopoylo gia qemata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa dexqei ton Ypoyrgo Paideias Petro Eyqymioy. Argotera, stis 11.30, qa dexqei ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas Akh Tsoxatzopoylo kai stis 13.00 qa dexqei omada boyleytwn toy Kinhmatos, sto plaisio toy programmatos synanthsewn ayths ths morfhs.

Thn Pempth, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me dieyrymenh synqesh. Exoyn klhqei na laboyn meros kai alloi ypoyrgoi poy askoyn kaqhkonta sxetika me ta qemata poy qa syzhthqoyn. Ta qemata poy qa syzhthqoyn aforoyn thn katastash poy dhmioyrgeitai meta toys bombardismoys kata thn krish sth Gioygkoslabia, thn politikh ths kybernhshs sto xwro twn MME kai th legomenh ``basilikh perioysia''.

Meta to peras ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs qa akoloyqhsei synedriash toy KYSEA.

Thn Paraskeyh, gnwrizete oti exei oristei na diejagetai sth Boylh ``H Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy'', alla pleon den qa sas enhmerwnoyme th Deytera gia to qema, giati logw ths xronikhs metaqeshs ths hmeras syzhthshs, oi erwthseis mporei na katateqoyn mexri thn Tetarth. Ara, qa epanelqoyme sto qema.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ara, qa ginei thn Paraskeyh;

REPPAS: Kat` arxhn, nai, an katateqoyn erwthseis. To programma ths Paraskeyhs, to prwi, paramenei anoikto, gia na labei meros o Prwqypoyrgos sth legomenh ``Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy''.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph den qa syzhthqei to qema twn epidomatwn;

REPPAS: To qema ayto qa to xeiristei h hgesia twn armodiwn ypoyrgeiwn, sto plaisio twn oswn eipame. Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh poy ekana meta th synedriash ths prohgoymenhs Pempths, oti prepei na apotelesei stoixeio sto plaisio twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn poy pleon isxyoyn me to neo nomiko kaqestws poy exoyme qespisei apo perysi kai gia to Dhmosio Tomea.

Sto telos ayths ths ebdomadas, o Prwqypoyrgos ths Iapwnias k. Mori episkeptetai thn Ellada. Qa exei to Sabbato, stis 18.30, synanthsh kai syzhthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena eisagwgiko sxolio gia to megalo qema ths epikairothtas kai epishs na sas enhmerwsw. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Ellada apo thn prwth stigmh eixe topoqethqei yper ths eirhnikhs antimetwpishs toy problhmatos sth Gioygkoslabia. Eixame proteinei me politika kai diplwmatika mesa na anazhthqei lysh sthn krish poy eixe jespasei sth geitonikh xwra. Otan ekane ton kyklo ths ayth h sygkroysh, me apofash ths dieqnoys koinothtas, dynameis stratiwtwn apo diafores xwres kai apo thn Ellada, exoyn egkatastaqei se diafores perioxes, prokeimenoy etsi na diasfalisoyn thn eirhnh, na empedwqei dhladh h staqerothta kai h asfaleia sthn perioxh. H epidiwjh toy stoxoy aytoy exei stefqei apo epityxia, giati pragmati para ta kata kairoys epeisodia h alla kroysmata, mporei na pei kaneis oti exoyme eirhnh kai staqerothta sthn perioxh. Kai oi dieqneis dynameis exoyn symballei se ayto kai prepei na to anagnwrisoyme.

Apo thn prwth stigmh, epeidh akribws to problhma mporei na pei kaneis oti htan problhma poy den mporoyse na diafygei ths prosoxhs mas, afoy eixame bombardismoys, to problhma dhladh ths epibarynshs toy periballontos h ths ygeias twn politwn poy zoyn se aytes tis xwres h kai twn stratiwtwn bebaiws poy briskontai ekei sto plaisio ayth ths eirhneytikhs apostolhs, htan problhma poy h ellhnikh kybernhsh to eqese apo to 1999, toso sthn E.E., sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Periballontos, oso kai ston OHE, sthn Epitroph Biwsimhs Anaptyjhs, opoy mporw na pw @ta stoixeia einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy- oti o Ellhnas Yfypoyrgos, o k. Koliopanos poy htan tote yfypoyrgos PEXWDE, htan o monos kybernhtikos paragontas xwras ths E.E. kai xwras toy NATO poy epishmane toys kindynoys aytoys. Oi ygeionomikes yphresies toy GES exoyn, kata kairoys, proxwrhsei se ejetaseis kai elegxoys, oson afora thn epiptwsh gia to periballon, alla kai gia toys andres twn ellhnikwn enoplwn tmhmatwn poy stratopedeyoyn sto Kossyfopedio kai th Bosnia, gia na diapistwqei ti synepeies exoyn prokycei. Ta apotelesmata twn metrhsewn odhghsan sto symperasma oti den diatrexoyn kindyno oi andres poy exoyn stratopedeysei se ekeinh thn perioxh. Parallhlws, olh ayth thn periodo me prwtoboylia diaforwn Institoytwn kai ths Ellhnikhs Epitrophs Atomikhs Energeias ginontai diarkws elegxoi sth synoriakh grammh. Oi metrhseis deixnoyn oti den exoyme jeperasei ta epitrepta oria. Mporoyme me asfaleia na poyme oti se ellhniko edafos den exei prokycei opoiadhpote synepeia meta toys bombardismoys sth Gioygkoslabia. To problhma, loipon, poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme einai ayto poy afora to periballon ths Gioygkoslabias, tis perioxes idiaiterws poy exoyn plhgei sth diarkeia twn bombardismwn apo blhmata poy perieixan apemploytismeno oyranio, opws onomazetai to stoixeio ayto, kai bebaiws na doyme ta problhmata poy prokaloyntai gia thn ygeia twn stratiwtwn kai twn politwn se ekeinh thn perioxh. H kybernhsh einai se synexh epikoinwnia me th dieqnh koinothta, me to NATO, me tis yphresies toy OHE, me thn E.E., prokeimenoy na exoyme mia plhrh gnwsh twn dedomenwn. Ean den gnwrizoyme plhrws ta stoixeia, den einai eykolo na analabei kaneis thn antistoixh politikh prwtoboylia kai drash. Pisteyoyme oti einai ypoxrewsh olwn mas na antimetwpisoyme to qema me akraia eyaisqhsia kai prwtostatoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh ws xwra kai ws kybernhsh, se synennohsh me alles kybernhseis.

Meta th syskech poy kaname thn prohgoymenh Pempth, metajy twn allwn poy apofasisthkan ena metro einai ayto poy tiqetai amesws se efarmogh. Metabainoyn, dhladh, sthn perioxh, peran twn dynamewn ths ygeionomikhs yphresias toy Stratoy kai episthmones toy Dhmokritoy, ths Ellhnikhs Epitrophs Atomikhs Energeias, prokeimenoy na dienerghsoyn neoys elegxoys sto edafos kai ton aera. Bebaiws, qa epanalhfqei enas kyklos ejetasewn gia thn ygeia twn stratiwtwn. Oi ejetaseis aytes aforoyn oloys ekeinoys poy yphrethsan kata kairoys se ayta ta metwpa. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, idiaiterws to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, eixe egkairws labei diafora prolhptika metra, metajy twn opoiwn, periorizomai na anaferw oti h trofodosia twn stratiwtwn se ekeinh thn perioxh pantote ginotan me efodia apo thn Ellada. H trofh toys, dhladh, kai to nero, htan pantote eisagomena apo thn Ellada. Epishs, h perioxh poy eixan stratopedeysei eixe kalyfqei, se ycos 20 kai pleon ekatostwn, me ferto yliko apo alles perioxes poy den eixan plhgei apo bombardismoys.

O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, metajy twn allwn, shmera eixe mia epikoinwnia, qa elega oti elabe meros se mia thlediaskech, me thn proedreyoysa ths E.E., thn k. Lint, Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Soyhdias. Sth diaskech ayth elaban meros kai alloi paragontes toy ellhnikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. H ellhnikh kybernhsh zhthse na proxwrhsei h ereyna kai na oloklhrwqei, to syntomotero dynaton, prokeimenoy, to argotero ews tis 22 Ianoyarioy poy prokeitai na synelqei to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn, na yparxei mia plhrhs gnwsh ths katastashs, wste na analhfqoyn sth synexeia oi opoies aparaithtes prwtoboylies. O Ypoyrgos Amynas Akhs Tsoxatzopoylos exei steilei epistolh me analogo periexomeno sto synadelfo toy k. Fon Sintof, to Soyhdo Ypoyrgo Amynas, o opoios exei thn proedria toy Symboylioy Amynas twn Ypoyrgwn ths E.E.. Epishs, prokeitai na synedriasoyn stis Bryjelles toso h Epitroph Politikwn Antiproswpwn toy NATO, oso kai h Epitroph Stratiwtikwn Antiproswpwn. Oi dyo ekproswpoi mas, o presbhs k. Kaskarelhs sthn politikh epitroph kai o k. Caropoylos sth stratiwtikh epitroph, qa qesoyn ta qemata kai qa zhthsoyn na analhfqoyn oi sxetikes prwtoboylies. Epishs, synedriazei, ayrio, stis Bryjelles, h Politikh Epitroph Asfaleias ths E.E., h opoia qa asxolhqei me ayto akribws to qema. H syzhthsh h opoia ginetai sth dieqnh koinothta, qa prepei na ginei me megalh eyqynh, me megalh prosoxh. Emeis pisteyoyme oti to qema ayto, epeidh afora thn ygeia politwn, qa prepei na to antimetwpisoyme me eyqynh kai sobarothta, xwris na epitrecoyme to legomeno ``syndromo twn Balkaniwn'' na odhghsei sth dhmioyrgia enos alloy syndromoy panikoy kai ysterias. Apo thn allh omws, den qa apofygoyme na analaboyme opoiadhpote prwtoboylia, prokeimenoy me bash sygkekrimena stoixeia, me gnwsh ths pragmatikhs katastashs na antimetwpisoyme ta opoia problhmata exoyn prokycei kai prepei na dwsoyme lyseis se ayta. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Pisteyoyme oti to qema, logw toy xarakthra toy, den prosferetai gia askhseis mikrokommatismoy. Qewroyme oti h stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs th dyskolh ekeinh periodo ths gioygkoslabikhs krishs htan stash eyqynhs kai epibebaiwqhke poso swsth htan h politikh poy xarajame kai akoloyqhsame ekeinh thn periodo. Twra, me idiaitero baros, giati aytos einai o skopos poy kyriws epidiwkoyme na petyxoyme sth diasfalish ths ygeias twn enstolwn kai twn allwn politwn sthn perioxh, qa kanoyme oti einai dynaton, prokeimenoy se synennohsh bebaiws me th dieqnh koinothta, na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARELIAS: Peran olwn aytwn poy mas eipate, den mas eipate tipote gia thn kaqara ellhnikh diastash toy qematos, dhladh, gia to ean exoyn xrhsimopoihqei apo tis ellhnikes Enoples Dynameis kai poses -ean eiste se qesh na to peite- apo aytes tis perifhmes bombes oyranioy se askhseis sto ellhniko edafos;

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola qa moy epitrecete na sas parapemcw se anakoinwsh poy exei ekdwsei to GEEQA. Se dhlwseis poy exei kanei o armodios ypoyrgos Amynas epishs anaferetai sta qemata ayta. Apo ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas, prokyptei oti den exoyn xrhsimopoihqei blhmata h opla akribws omoia me ayta poy xrhsimopoihqhkan sthn krish ths Gioygkoslabias gia bombardismoys. Einai diaforetikh h diametros twn blhmatwn se kaqe periptwsh. Pantws, exoyme promhqeytei to 1990, 50.000 blhmata ayths ths kathgorias, aytoy toy eidoys. Apo ayta, xrhsimopoihqhke apo to GEN enas shmantikos ariqmos, peripoy 35.000 blhmatwn, sth qalassia perioxh gia ekpaideytikoys skopoys. Kai bebaiws, exoyn apoqhkeyqei 10.000 blhmata se asfalh topoqesia. Epishs, 5.000 akomh blhmata htan apoqhkeymena, se dyo ploia, prokeimenoy na xrhsimopoihqoyn gia ekpaideytikoys skopoys kai pali, ta opoia metaferontai, prokeimenoy etsi na yparxei enas elegxos gia to ti problhmata mporei na dhmioyrghqoyn apo thn paramonh se kapoio xwro aytwn twn blhmatwn. Ta stoixeia ayta exoyn doqei apo to YPEQA kai sas parapempw stis sxetikes dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei. Ta ariqmhtika dedomena einai ayta akribws sta opoia anaferqhka.

Epishs, qa moy epitrecete, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, na prolabw isws kai erwthseis allwn synadelfwn sas kai na sas pw oti enas monon, ej oswn stratiwtikwn pasxoyn apo leyxaimia shmera, exei gia kapoia periodo yphrethsei sth Bosnia. Den einai alhqes oti kai kapoioi alloi, apo osoys stratiwtikoys shmera pasxoyn apo leyxaimia, exoyn yphrethsei se ekeinh thn perioxh. Ta kroysmata leyxaimias sto Strato einai 12 synolika gia to etos 2000. Enas ej aytwn stratiwtikos, o opoios htan eqelonths 5etoys qhteias eixe yphrethsei kai sth Bosnia. Hdh, to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas synexizei toys elegxoys ston tomea ayto. Oi armodies yphresies toy YPEQA meletoyn th syxnothta, thn pyknothta twn kroysmatwn poy exoyn ekdhlwqei -milw gia th leyxaimia- sto synolo toy strateymatos, prokeimenoy mesa apo ayth th statistikh meleth na exoyme mia plhrh eikona gia na gnwrizoyme pws exoyn ta pragmata, to syntomotero dynato. Giati, epanalambanw, pws ean den exeis plhrh gnwsh twn dedomenwn einai epipolaio kai aneyqyno na pairneis apofaseis.

MIXAHL: To YPEXWDE, ti metrhseis exei kanei; Giati o k. Laliwths den anakoinwnei ti metrhseis ekane ekeinh thn periodo to YPEXWDE sth Boreia Ellada, sta nera, to ypedafos k.lp.;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti apo thn armodia Epitroph toy DHMOKRITOY poy diejagei ereynes gia thn atomikh energeia exoyn egkatastaqei oloi oi mhxanismoi metrhshs gia th rypansh aytoy toy eidoys. Ta apotelesmata aytwn twn metrhsewn exoyn odhghsei sto symperasma pws den dikaiologeitai anhsyxia. Den eimaste panw apo ta oria ekeina ta opoia qa epebalan na analaboyme kapoia prwtoboylia. Ayth einai h kathgorhmatikh qesh twn episthmonwn. Prepei na sas pw oti h qesh ayth ejhghqhke me polles leptomereies sth syskech poy egine thn prohgoymenh Pempth, me symmetoxh kybernhtikwn paragontwn, alla kai episthmonwn. Emeis anamenoyme h ellhnikh Epitroph Atomikhs Energeias, h opoia synergazetai me tis analoges armodies yphresies twn allwn xwrwn, tis ereynes poy diejagei kai ta apotelesmata sta opoia odhgeitai, na ta anakoinwsei, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme oloi pws exoyn ta pragmata. H agnoia h h hmimaqeia polles fores einai para poly kakoi symboyloi.

MIXAHL: Alhqeyei h oxi oti apo tis metrhseis aytes, poy kat entolhn toy YPEXWDE, diejhxqhsan, kai gia tis opoies o poliths den exei enhmerwqei dhmosia, yparxei problhma sto potamo Ajio;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti oi metrhseis oi opoies ginontai, kata kairoys, exoyn odhghsei se apotelesmata, exoyn ginei anakoinwseis apo Institoyta, apo kaqhghtes Panepisthmioy. O dialogos sthn panepisthmiakh koinothta, metajy twn eidikwn, twn episthmonwn, twn empeirognwmonwn einai ploysios. Kai ayth thn periodo, malista, qa elega, oti exei parei mia megalh ektash, ginetai me entash kai qa elega me episthmoniko paqos. Emeis synergazomaste me oloys toys foreis, idiaiterws me thn ellhnikh Epitroph Atomikhs Energeias, h opoia mas symboyleyei gia to pws exoyn ta pragmata. Den exw ypoch moy, ayth thn wra, metrhseis oi opoies na deixnoyn oti exoyme jeperasei to orio. Sas lew oti analogws twn synqhkwn poy epikratoyn sthn eyryterh perioxh, mporei -alla ola ayta einai ypoqeseis poy kalo einai na apofygoyme na tis syzhthsoyme edw- na exeis metafora aytoy toy ylikoy se mia allh perioxh, otan fysaei anemos h mesw twn ydatwn h an ephreastei o ydroforos orizontas. Ayta, omws, epanalambanw einai episthmonikes ypoqeseis. Oi metrhseis poy exoyn ginei mexri twra kai ta apotelesmata poy exoyn proskomisqei se mas deixnoyn oti den dikaiologeitai opoiosdhpote panikos. Ayto to opoio, omws, epiballetai, einai na eimaste poly prosektikoi, prokeimenoy na doyme pws exoyn ta pragmata.

MIXAHL: Oi episthmones kanoyn th doyleia toys, opws nomizoyn aytoi kai me bash toys kanones ths episthmhs toys. To YPEXWDE poy exei thn politikh eyqynh gia to periballon, o k. Laliwths giati den kanei mia dhlwsh kai na pei oti emeis poy exoyme thn politikh eyqynh gia kalo periballon, den yparxei logos na anhsyxeite k.lp. Den prepei na enhmerwqei o poliths;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h kybernhsh exei enhmerwsei thn koinh gnwmh kai pisteyw oti exete ki eseis ena meridio eyqynhs na metadwsete ayth th qesh stoys polites, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyn pws exoyn ta pragmata. To YPEXWDE, dia toy armodioy ypoyrgoy, exei qesei prwto apo oloys sth dieqnh koinothta to qema ayto. Ston OHE, otan teqhke gia prwth fora to qema apo ton k. Koliopano, mono o ekproswpos ths Rwsias diatypwse analoges parathrhseis, oydeis allos. Sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh de, qesame to qema kai zhthsame na sygkrothqei epitroph, h opoia qa proxwrhsei sthn katartish mias ekqeshs gia to qema ayto. Deijame eyaisqhsia. To YPEXWDE pantote se stenh synergasia me toys episthmonikoys foreis plhroforeitai pws exoyn ta pragmata. Mexri twra poy syzhtoyme, den exei prokycei ws apotelesma mias metrhshs, stoixeio tetoio poy na mas odhgei sto na laboyme alles prwtoboylies peran aytwn poy exoyme analabei. Eimaste akomh sto stadio poy ereynoyme gia na gnwrizoyme pws akribws exoyn ta pragmata. Giati ean den to gnwrizoyme ayto den einai sobaro na paroyme prwtoboylies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, afoy eipate oti o k. Koliopanos to 1999 eqese ayto to qema kai yphrxe problhma, giati steilate fantaroys sth Bosnia;

REPPAS: Se efarmogh apofashs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, briskontai oi Ellhnes stratiwtes ekei. Briskontai sto plaisio eirhneytikhs apostolhs. Epeidh akribws eixame ayth thn apoch na antimetwpistoyn oi kindynoi poy egkymonoyntai gia to periballon, gia thn ygeia twn politwn proxwrhsame apo tote se diafores metrhseis kai elegxoys. Oi metrhseis poy eginan stis ygeionomikes yphresies deixnoyn oti den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote anhsyxia. Ayto to qema epanerxetai. Emeis synexizoyme -giati pote den stamathsame- toys elegxoys kai tis metrhseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixate kanei tote metrhseis ekei poy phgan oi fantaroi;

REPPAS: Oi stratiwtikoi, oi fantaroi poy yphretoyn ekei exoyn elegxqei apo tis ygeionomikes yphresies twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Epishs, prepei na sas pw oti apo tis opoies alles metrhseis poy eixan ginei kata kairoys, den eixan prokycei stoixeia tetoia poy na odhgoyn sto symperasma oti eprepe na exei ginei mia diaforetikh politikh epilogh, ekeinh thn periodo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla lete oti o k. Koliopanos ekane parembash. Pws ekane parembash kai gnwrize oti ekeinh h perioxh htan epikindynh kai stelnate ekei toys fantaroys;

REPPAS: Kanete laqos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis to lete kai to ena kai to allo.

REPPAS: Mh shkwnete ton tono ths fwnhs sas, to qema einai poly sobaro.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sobarotato. Peqainoyn anqrwpoi.

REPPAS: Einai poly sobaro to qema, wste na qelei analogo sobaro yfos gia na to antimetwpisoyme. Sas lew, loipon, oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh, apo thn wra poy exeis polemo, exeis bombardismo, ejefrase gia logoys eyaisqhsias kai eyqynhs enan problhmatismo. Eqese ena qema kai klhqhke tote o dieqnhs paragwn na antimetwpisei katamata ayto to problhma.

Emeis phrame sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies me prolhptika metra kai anefera sygkekrimena paradeigmata. Kaname, kata kairoys, metrhseis kai elegxoys gia na gnwrizoyme pws exoyn ta pragmata. Synexizoyme kai klimakwnoyme tis energeies mas pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia to xwma poy eipate prohgoymenws, gia to oti phgan kapoioi kai ekanan metrhseis toy edafoys, oi fantaroi den kaqontai mono mesa sto stratopedo, phgainoyn kai se alles perioxes kai poly makria kai se topoqesies poy hdh exoyn rifqei bombes. Den kaqontai se ena shmeio.

REPPAS: Gi ayto akribws ginetai elegxos. Oson afora tis metrhseis poy kanoyn oi armodies yphresies toy Stratoy gia thn ygeia twn stratiwtikwn kai twn stratiwtwn, den exei prokycei problhma, to opoio na dikaiologei opoiadhpote allh epilogh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite, kyrie Ypoyrge; Den exei prokycei problhma; O anqrwpos poy exei prosblhqei apo leyxaimia sth xwra mas kai stis alles xwres poy einai perissoteroi oi prosblhqentes;

REPPAS: Oydeis mporei na pei kathgorhmatika -mhn to kanete ki eseis- oti o logos gia ton opoio pasxei o sympoliths mas einai aytos kai monon aytos. Sas eipa oti exoyme 12 poy pasxoyn, opws kai kaqe xrono kapoioi pasxoyn. Qa prepei na eimaste para poly prosektikoi. Gi ayto sas eipa oti oloklhrwnetai ayth h statistikh meleth. Ara, loipon, mexri tote, kalo einai na mh bgazete ``dikastikes apofaseis'', kathgorwntas kai enoxopoiwntas. Sas eipa oti anagnwrizoyme pws yparxei poly megalo problhma. Qa prwtostathsoyme, prokeimenoy na gnwrizei h dieqnhs koinothta kai oloi mas, pws exoyn ta pragmata gia na analaboyme tis analoges draseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me toys Ellhnes foithtes ti skepteste na kanete;

REPPAS: Protoy exoyme ypoch mas to synolo twn stoixeiwn ta opoia sygkrotoyn thn pragmatikothta, den einai dynato na lhfqei opoiadhpote apofash.

MPOYRDARAS: Dyo erwthseis: Prwton, eipate oti h kybernhsh gnwrize toys piqanoys kindynoys gia toys Ellhnes fantaroys. Wstoso, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos se dhlwseis toys proxqes to brady, erwthqeis sxetika eipe oti den enhmerwqhkan oi fantaroi gia piqanoys kindynoys apo radienergeia h apo apemploytismeno oyranio, giati den to gnwrizan tote. Enhmerwqhkan gia toys eidikoys kindynoys poy eprokeito na antimetwpisoyn se mia stratiwtikh epixeirhsh. Giati synebh ayto, efoson...;

REPPAS: Me sygxwreite. Sto plaisio mias eirhneytikhs apostolhs briskontai ekei oi Ellhnes stratiwtikoi. Kai gia prolhptikoys logoys eipa oti exoyn lhfqei diafora metra. Asfalws, me tetoia leptomereia kai gia to sygkekrimeno stoixeio, den htan kaneis gnwsths ekeinh thn periodo. To stoixeio ayto anadeiknyetai twra. Genikws, omws, gia to oti prokyptoyn kindynoi meta apo th xrhsh tetoiwn oplwn, einai kati to opoio prepei na to ektimhseis gia na labeis kapoia metra. Sto plaisio ayto kinhqhkame. Kai qa elega oti eimaste, isws, apo toys ligoys poy exoyme labei tetoia metra.

MPOYRDARAS: Yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories gia synanthseis poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me kapoioys epixeirhmaties, oi opoioi drasthriopoioyntai sto xwro ths enhmerwshs. To epibebaiwnete;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, kata kairoys, synanta diaforoys paragontes ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, opws epixeirhmaties. Ayto pantote ginotan kai qa synexisei na ginetai. Den qewrw oti einai eidiko qema pros syzhthsh. O Prwqypoyrgos prepei na syzhta me anqrwpoys poy drasthriopoioyntai se diaforoys tomeis, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwnei gia to ti symbainei kai na akoyei kai tis dikes toys apoceis.

MPOYRDARAS: Eixe kapoies synanthseis, aytes tis hmeres;

REPPAS: Eixe kai qa synexisei na exei synanthseis aytoy toy eidoys o Prwqypoyrgos.

MPOTWNHS: Meta apo ola ayta mpainei zhthma aposyrshs twn ellhnikwn enoplwn dynamewn apo thn perioxh;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayto to qema qa to syzhthsoyme kai pali, meqayrio, sth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Prepei na exoyme ypoch mas ta plhrh stoixeia, prokeimenoy na laboyme mia telikh apofash. H apofash ayth exei megalh politikh shmasia. Den mporei mia tetoia apofash na lhfqei, xwris na gnwrizoyme ola ekeina ta stoixeia ta opoia na dikaiologoyn ayth thn apofash.

KAPPOS: Mporei na mas dwsei h kybernhsh ton ariqmo twn andrwn, twn stelexwn twn ekstrateytikwn swmatwn poy briskontai sth Gioygkoslabia poy exoyn zhthsei na epanapatristoyn; Kai ena deytero poy qa hqela na rwthsw, einai ean exoyn ginei metrhseis ston ellhniko qalassio xwro poy eginan askhseis kai exoyn pesei dekades xiliades blhmata, opws ki eseis anaferate sthn arxh.

REPPAS: Oson afora tis metrhseis ston ellhniko xwro, exoyn ginei kyriws sthn parameqorio zwnh. Qa ginoyn kai metrhseis opoy alloy xreiazetai. Kata ta alla, se sxesh me to "aithma" poy isws kapoioi exoyn diatypwsei, den exw na sas dwsw kanena stoixeio. Mporeite na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Apla, kanw thn parathrhsh oti oi stratiwtes h ta stelexh toy stratoy yphretoyn th qhteia toys h briskontai sto plaisio mias apostolhs se mia perioxh ektos Elladas. Ara, antapokrinontai stis ypoxrewseis kai ta kaqhkonta toys. H diafylajh ths ygeias toys einai kai diko mas melhma. Melhma ths kybernhshs, ths Politeias, ths patridas mas kai sthn kateyqynsh ayth, qa laboyme ola ta anagkaia metra.

SOYRMELH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton apo poy einai ta blhmata ayta poy exei to Naytiko; Deyteron, an mesa stoys 12 poy pasxoyn apo leyxaimia einai kai naytikoi poy symmeteixan se gymnasia, sta opoia xrhsimopoihqhkan ayta ta blhmata. Triton, ean stis metrhseis toy 1990 gia paradeigma, poses periptwseis leyxaimias eixame. Kai tetarton, poies perioxes ennoeite otan milate gia parameqories zwnes.

REPPAS: Ennow th Boreia Ellada, sta synora me ta Skopia kai thn Albania. Prepei pantws na sas pw oti ayto to problhma prokaleitai otan exoyme proskroysh kai ekrhjh twn blhmatwn.

Oson afora to prwto qema, sas eipa oti to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas dienergei tetoioys elegxoys kai kanei statistikes meletes, prokeimenoy na gnwrizei ta stoixeia kaqe etoys. Ayth thn wra, den exw stoixeia sth diaqesh moy. To Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas qa probei se sxetikes anakoinwseis.

Oson afora thn proeleysh twn blhmatwn aytwn, den gnwrizw na sas pw leptomereies. Gnwrizw, omws, oti paragontai stis HPA.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis Tzem, o opoios eipe oti h Toyrkia einai apofasismenh na prosarthsei ta edafh poy kratoyntai apo ton Ntenktas, efoson proxwrhsei h entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy, prin apo th lysh toy Kypriakoy. Kai deyteron, qa hqela na sas pw oti einai terastio to qema toy Ellhnokyprioy Tziakoyrma poy krateitai apo tis katoxikes arxes kai einai arrwstos. Exoyme gegonota sthn Kypro kai qa hqela na jerw ti qa ginei me ayth thn ypoqesh.

REPPAS: Oson afora to deytero qema, h Kypriakh kybernhsh, poy to parakoloyqei kai mas enhmerwnei, kanei oles tis aparaithtes energeies. Oi xeirismoi prepei na einai tetoioi, wste na diasfalizoyn kai thn ygeia kai thn eleyqeria gi` ayton ton polith. Taytoxrona, omws, den qa prepei na dwsoyme opoiodhpote prosxhma sthn allh pleyra na apofygei na analabei tis eyqynes ths kai na proselqei kai na labei meros se synomilies gia thn antimetwpish kai th lysh toy Kypriakoy.

Oson afora to prwto qema, oi dhlwseis stis opoies anafereste, einai pragmatika aparadektes. An exei apofasisei kati tetoio h Toyrkia, shmainei oti exei apofasisei taytoxronws na mhn proxwrhsei sthn eyrwpaikh diadikasia, na mhn entaxqei dhladh sthn E.E. Giati, h E.E. exei parei sygkekrimenh apofash gia to qema ayto. Exei aposyndesei thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. apo thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy, ws proypoqesh gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, qewrw oti logoi taktikhs odhgoyn toys ajiwmatoyxoys ths Toyrkias se tetoies dhlwseis. Ektos an h Toyrkia exei parei apofaseis na allajei ton prosanatolismo ston tomea ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths. Alla, nomizw oti tetoies apofaseis den exoyn lhfqei. H Toyrkia den qa apofygei na analabei tis eyqynes ths. Brisketai apenanti se mia pragmatikothta thn opoia, anti na apofeygei na antimetwpisei, kalo einai na th dei me cyxraimo mati, na thn analysei kai na parei tis swstes kai symferoyses apofaseis ths kai gia thn idia kai th Dieqnh Koinothta kai gia emas.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th shmerinh synenteyjh sta "NEA" toy k. Staqopoyloy, o opoios proxwrei se mia aytokritikh, legontas oti sthn poreia ths qhteias toy sto Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs diapistwse kai o idios oti eixe enan problhmatiko syntonismo me toys synadelfoys toy, ton opoio qewrei oti mporei na anatrecei. Ayth h aytokritikh toy, o problhmatikos syntonismos, eblace thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H symmetoxh toy k. Staqopoyloy sto kybernhtiko sxhma, oxi mono den exei blacei thn kybernhsh, alla thn exei wfelhsei. Apodeijh aytoy einai oti synexizei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy ws Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs.

KARAKWSTAS: Mporeite na mas peite me poioys epixeirhmaties synanthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio h na dwsw synexeia se ayth th syzhthsh. Einai kati to opoio, efoson o Prwqypoyrgos exei apofasisei na to xeiristei me ena sygkekrimeno tropo, etsi qa ejelixqei.

KARAKWSTAS: Den einai kako na peite me poioys synanthqhke.

REPPAS: Asfalws, den einai kako, alla den mporei na apotelesei eidiko qema syzhthshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Krybete me poioys synanthqhke;

REPPAS: Asfalws oxi. Alla, einai prwth fora poy blepw ena toso entono endiaferon gia na syzhthsoyme ena qema to opoio epanalambanetai.

PITTARAS: Thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me ton k. Kokkalh. Amesws meta th synanthsh, qelw na moy peite, an yphrxe kapoia skopimothta gia to gegonos oti to Megaro Majimoy dieceyse th synanthsh, th stigmh poy htan katagegrammenh kai se thleoptikh kamera.

REPPAS: Sas eipa kai pali oti ayto to qema to xeirizetai o Prwqypoyrgos. Den einai qema pros syzhthsh. Den mporei na eimaste enhmerwmenoi, ana pasa stigmh, gia to poies synanthseis ginontai.

BITALHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exete diaqesima kapoia stoixeia, oson afora ta blhmata poy xrhsimopoihqhkan apo to Polemiko Naytiko kai an stis 12 periptwseis leyxaimias poy exoyme ayth th stigmh, yparxoyn kapoioi poy anhkan se plhrwmata...

REPPAS: Oxi, den prokyptei kati tetoio. Alla, sas eipa oti apo thn wra poy teqhke ayto to qema me ayto ton tropo, oi ereynes poy ginontai klimakwnontai kai qa ginoyn se poly megalyterh ektash, qa aforoyn perissoteroys, se sxesh me to parelqon. Ara, loipon, ayto to qema, para to oti apo thn prwth stigmh mporoyse kapoios na ypoqesei oti dhmioyrgoyntai kindynoi meta apo bombardismoys, twra mpainei sthn hmerhsia diatajh poly pio epitaktika.

BITALHS: Ta ypoloipa blhmata poy yparxoyn, skefteste na ta aposyrete;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti qa ginoyn metrhseis. Exoyn ginei, hdh, metrhseis kai se kapoioys xwroys, opoy einai apoqhkeymena ayta ta blhmata, gia na doyme ti problhmata dhmioyrgoyntai.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia toys topikoys plhqysmoys, oi opoioi katoikoyn se aytes tis perioxes;

REPPAS: Exete apolyto dikio. Kai qa parathrhsate, isws, stis apanthseis poy edwsa, oti milhsa gia thn ygeia kai twn politwn, pera twn stratiwtwn, se aytes tis perioxes. Sto plaisio ths syzhthshs poy eixe kai shmera o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn me th synadelfo toy, proedreyoysa ths E.E. sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn, eqese kai ayto to qema, ths epibarynshs, dhladh, toy periballontos sthn perioxh kai milhse gia toys kindynoys poy egkymonei h xrhsh aytwn twn oplwn gia toys polites poy zoyn ekei. Kai bebaiws, tis epomenes hmeres, epeidh yparxei mia taktikh epikoinwnia toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me thn kybernhsh ths Gioygkoslabias kai twn allwn xwrwn, metajy twn allwn, qa syzhthqei kai ayto to qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh eginan oi sxetikes dhlwseis, epibebaiwnete oti yphrjan ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs oi opoioi ton Aprilh kai to Mah toy @99, kata th diarkeia dhladh twn bombardismwn, diafwnhsan me th rich bombwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti oles oi apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei se kybernhtika organa, sto KYSEA, gia paradeigma, mias kai miloyme gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma, einai apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei omofwnws. Kata ta alla, an qelete kai mia politikh qesh, ena politiko sxolio, mporw na sas pw, bebaiws, oti h Ellada pantote diafwnoyse me toys bombardismoys kai me th xrhsh stratiwtikwn meswn gia thn antimetwpish ths gioygkoslabikhs krishs. Ayto to eixame pei apo tote. Mporw na sas parapemcw se dhlwseis poy eixame kanei ekeinh thn periodo se diaforoys tonoys h na exw, ayrio kiolas, sth diaqesh sas ta stoixeia poy epibebaiwnoyn ayta poy lew. Apo ekei kai pera, asfalws oi apofaseis poy exoyme parei sta kybernhtika organa, einai apofaseis poy elhfqhsan omofwnws.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Allo rwtw. Yphrjan problhmatismoi apo stelexh ths kybernhshs, kata th diarkeia twn bombardismwn, gia th rich tetoiwn bombwn;

REPPAS: Enw exoyme dedomenh mia apofash poy exei labei h kybernhsh, zhtate na sas perigracw th syzhthsh poy egine, gia dyo-treis wres, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme se mia apofash. Sas lew oti oydeis einai eytyxhs, otan prokeitai na jespasei polemikh krish. Oydeis einai eytyxhs, otan h epilogh einai bombardismoi h xrhsh tetoiwn oplwn.

KALARITHS: Throyntai apo tis armodies yphresies stoixeia gia thn emfanish leyxaimias kai karkinoy...;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin se sxetikh erwthsh. Ayth h statistikh meleth qa mas bohqhsei, me orqa symperasmata, na laboyme prwtoboylies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti o k. Koliopanos to 1999 eixe kanei ayth thn parembash. Thn idia periodo, o k. Apostolakhs elege, gia tis idies bombes, oti periorizontai se ylikes katastrofes kai den einai epikindynes, se kamia periptwsh, gia molynsh ths atmosfairas. Giati, apo th mia pleyra, o enas diabebaiwne oti den yparxei problhma kai o allos diamartyrotan ston OHE;

REPPAS: Den kateqese kapoios stoixeia kai sygkekrimena o armodios yfypoyrgos Periballontos, oyte diatypwse kapoia diamartyria. Eqese ena qema, enan problhmatismo -afoy ayto syzhtiotan se ayta ta Organa- o opoios yphrxe sthn kybernhsh mas, gia to oti h Dieqnhs Koinothta qa prepei na antimetwpisei kai ayth th diastash gia na doyme ti problhmata exoyn dhmioyrghqei. Ayto einai to nohma. Mhn to blepete san kati to opoio qa prepei na to kaythriazoyme san na einai kati arnhtiko, enw prwtoporhse h Ellada se ayto to qema. Oydeis gnwrize ola ayta ta stoixeia, ta opoia anapodrasta qa odhgoysan sth lhch mias apofashs, na mh staloyn, isws, ekei dynameis h oi dynameis poy einai ekei na klhqoyn na apoxwrhsoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se poies ellhnikes qalassies perioxes epesan ayta ta blhmata;

REPPAS: Opoy exoyn ginei askhseis toy GEN, se kapoies periptwseis exoyn xrhsimopoihqei kai ayta ta blhmata. Den mporw na sas anaferw twra oles tis perioxes opoy to GEN ekane askhseis.

KAPPOS: Synarthsate, prohgoymenws, apopeira h prajh prosarthshs twn katexomenwn ths Kyproy me dysmeneis epiptwseis sthn entajiakh prooptikh ths Toyrkias. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean mia tetoia energeia qa energopoioyse to kybernhtiko dogma, opws eixe diatypwsei o Andreas Papandreoy, peri casus belli.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia ta qemata ayta. Paramenoyme staqera se ayth th qesh. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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