Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-11-14

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Noembrioy 2000

KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete ayth th dhlwsh-apeilh Tzem, oti h Kypros mporei na ginei Kossyfopedio.

REPPAS: H Kypros einai h xwra poy prokeitai na entaxqei sthn E.E. Einai to kratos poy exei proseggisei ta krithria poy qetei h E.E. se poly ikanopoihtiko baqmo, se sxesh me tis alles xwres poy epidiwkoyn thn entajh toys. H Kypros antimetwpizei ena sygkekrimeno problhma katoxhs. Pisteyw oti h dhlwsh ayth toy k. Tzem einai toylaxiston atyxhs. Prosferei arnhtikh yphresia opoios exei mia tetoia stash apenanti stis prospaqeies poy kataballontai gia thn epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos. H Kypros anhkei sthn eyrwpaikh oikogeneia. Kai dikaioytai na dei epiteloys na eyodwnontai oi prospaqeies poy kataballei o dieqnhs paragontas, wste ws eniaio kratos, me mia dieqnh proswpikothta, na entaxqei sthn eyrwpaikh oikogeneia kai na brei to dromo ths pros to mellon.

FILHS: Thn Pempth, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, qa yparjei syzhthsh toy nomosxedioy gia toys allodapoys sth xwra mas;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti qa syzhthsoyme qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Epeidh h ka Papandreoy prokeitai na analabei sxetikh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia, qa ginei mia anafora kai sto qema ayto.

FILHS: Shmera, yphrje syskech me antikeimeno to nomosxedio gia toys allodapoys;

REPPAS: Shmera, yphrje koinh synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn ka Papandreoy kai ton k. Xrysoxoidh gia qemata armodiothtas twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn. Sth synexeia, yphrje synergasia me thn ka Papandreoy.

FILHS: Gia to qema ayto h oxi;

REPPAS: Gia qemata armodiothtas twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn. Anaferomai sto synolo twn qematwn poy mporei na syzhthqoyn se mia tetoia syskech.

FILHS: Dhladh, gia na katalabw, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio thn Pempth, qa yparjei mia anafora, ean yparjei h h syzhthsh qa@

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti prokeitai na analabei sxetikh prwtoboylia h ka Papandreoy. Mporei to qema ayto -pantote ginetai kati antistoixo- na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy kai ws poy o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs qa ypoxrewnei ton kosmo pws qa ypografei; Me poio dikaiwma;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei mia sygkekrimenh qesh ths Anejarthths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn gia to qema ayto. Kaqenas exei mia orismenh ypografh, enan typo ypografhs ton opoio exei kaqierwsei apo tote poy arxise na qetei ypografh. Pisteyoyme, loipon, oti prepei o kaqenas na sebastei toys kanones, basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei ena eynomoymeno kratos, na ginontai sebastes oi apofaseis twn Arxwn kai bebaiws, na yparxei kai aytosebasmos. Pisteyoyme oti ta qemata pisths den einai swsto na eytelizontai me ayto ton tropo. Giati miloyme gia mia agoraia proseggish toy qematos, otan qeloyme me ayto ton tropo, mesw mias ypografhs, na diadhlwsoyme kati to opoio anhkei se mia allh sfaira kai oxi se ayto poy apotelei stoixeio, basei toy opoioy ejyphreteitai o poliths stis synallages toy, sthn epikoinwnia toy, me tis yphresies toy kratoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mexri twra, ypoxrewne to kratos pws qa ypegrafes; Giati apo twra;

REPPAS: Kaqenas epilegei thn ypografh toy. Kaqenas mporei kai exei dikaiwma na allajei ton typo ths ypografhs toy. Antilambaneste, omws, oti qa prepei na sebastei orismenoys kanones. Prwton, ston typo ths ypografhs toy, h opoia -epanalambanw- xrhsimopoieitai gia tis synallages toy polith me to kratos, den einai dynato na emfiloxwroyn alla stoixeia ta opoia anaferontai se alla pedia, aforoyn tis pepoiqhseis twn politwn. Deyteron, gnwrizete pws, otan me ayto ton tropo odhgoymaste se mia katastrathghsh toy tropoy me ton opoio ypografoyme, toy tropoy me ton opoio exoyme anagnwrisei oti oi polites qetoyn thn ypografh toys, einai dynato na antimetwpisoyn diafora problhmata aytoi oi idioi oi polites, synallassomenoi me tis dhmosies yphresies, otan prepei na pistopoieitai h ypografh kai h taytoproswpia toys. Ola ayta einai qemata ta opoia antimetwpisan oi armodies yphresies. To ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs den ekane tipota allo, para sto plaisio mias egkyklioy, na epanalabei ayta poy apofasise h Anejarthth Arxh gia thn Prostasia Proswpikwn Dedomenwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Anejarthth Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn den eipe tipota tetoio. Den leei kati tetoio. Den eipe oti den qa dexetai thn ypografh me to X.O. H Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn den eipe tetoio pragma. Exete kati tetoio eseis;

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas apoch.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti allo qa mas epibalete;

REPPAS: Na mas chfizete kai na mas anadeiknyete kybernhsh!!!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oyte epi xoyntas den ginontan tetoia pragmata.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas apoch. Mhn ypotimate, omws, ton ellhniko lao.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Hqela na moy peite, pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh tis polles periptwseis ptwsewn polemikwn aeroskafwn kai pws antimetwpizei kai th zwh mesa sta stratopeda, giati yparxoyn kata kairoys -kai twra teleytaia plhqynan- diamartyries gia yperbolikh piesh stoys strateysimoys. Poy ofeilontai ola ayta;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti, me aformh to xqesino tragiko dystyxhma, einai se ejelijh mia ereyna. Asfalws, ayto to fainomeno einai qlibero. Oloys mas lypei. Alla, epeidh o tomeas aytos einai idiaitera eyaisqhtos, as afhsoyme tis armodies yphresies na kanoyn th doyleia toys, opws ekeines gnwrizoyn. Otan oloklhrwqei h ereyna, qa gnwrizoyme me kaqe leptomereia ta aitia gia ayto to dystyxhma. Den prepei na poyme tipota perissotero twra. Poly perissotero, poy exoyme thn apwleia ths zwhs enos ajiwmatikoy ths Polemikhs Aeroporias.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den hqela na to balw ws prologo, gia na mhn sas prokatalabw, alla, moy lete thn idia apanthsh stereotypws, kaqe fora poy ypoballw tetoia erwthsh.

REPPAS: Dioti kai eseis ypoballete thn idia erwthsh stereotypws!

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kaqe fora poy ginetai ena tetoio dystyxhma, mas lete ``einai fortismenh h atmosfaira, na mh biastoyme na apanthsoyme''.

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti mporei na apotelesei antikeimeno dhmosias syzhthshs h ereyna twn armodiwn yphresiwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, mesa sto xrono, epesan tosa aeroplana, skotwqhkan tosoi anqrwpoi kai to erwthma pros thn kybernhsh einai an parakoloyqei tis ejelijeis mesa sta stratopeda kai poy ofeilontai aytoi oi qanatoi kai oi ptwseis twn aeroskafwn. Ofeilontai se texnikh blabh, se kaka antallaktika, se metaxeirismena aeroplana poy pairnoyme, se kakh dioikhsh, sthn kakh ekpaideysh; Poy ofeilontai ayta; Ayta kostizoyn disekatommyria.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Alla h zwh enos ajiwmatikoy ajizei poly perissotero. Ayto to opoio exw pei kat` epanalhch -kai epanalambanw- einai toyto: Gia tetoioy eidoys atyxhmata h dystyxhmata, ta opoia ginontai se oles tis Polemikes Aeropories sto plaisio askhsewn -dystyxws ayth einai h pragmatikothta- den mas kaqhsyxazei to gegonos oti eimaste se ena epipedo analogo me ayto twn allwn xwrwn, apo apoch statistikhs. Emeis prospaqoyme na exoyme sygxrona aeroskafh ta opoia oi armodies yphresies synthroyn me ton kalytero tropo. To sygkekrimeno aeroskafos htan teleytaioy typoy. Htan ena F-16 typoy Block 30. Einai apo ta teleytaioy typoy polemika aeroskafh poy exei h Polemikh Aeroporia ths xwras mas. Qa prepei na ejetastei an o atyxos ajiwmatikos ekane toys katallhloys xeirismoys h an apo dikoys toy xeirismoys dhmioyrghqhke ayto to problhma, me apwleia ths idias ths zwhs toy, dystyxws. H ereyna poy ejelissetai qa antimetwpisei ola ayta ta qemata. Den mporei na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs h ereyna ayth. Kai nomizw oti to antilambaneste ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To katanow plhrws. Alla, en pash periptwsei, qa prepei na exoyme mia apanthsh apo thn kybernhsh, toylaxiston, ti eipwqhke kai ti diapistwqhke sta perasmena peristatika poy eixame kai nekroys kai apwleies aeroskafwn. Yparxei kati tetoio@;

REPPAS: Qa apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, to opoio anakoinwnei o,ti krinei skopimo pros gnwstopoihsh sto koino.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Parakalw poly, mhn ta @jemperdeyoyme etsi ta qemata. Den einai qema mono toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy ayto, ektos an o k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai jexwristh kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Exei enhmerwqei h kybernhsh gia to ean yparxei qema paraithshs toy k. Petroy Synadinoy, apo thn Organwtikh Epitroph toy 2004;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy to plhroforoymai apo esas. Pisteyw oti o k. Synadinos exei epilegei epeidh symmeteixe sth diadikasia diekdikhshs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn apo th xwra mas. Kata koinh omologia einai anqrwpos poy gnwrizei to antikeimeno poy toy anateqhke. Qewrw oti paramenei kai synexizei na symmetexei sthn prospaqeia poy kataballei h xwra mas, apo thn ejairetikh qesh poy toy empisteyqhke h Politeia, prokeimenoy na proetoimastoyme me ton kalytero tropo gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004.

KONTOPOYLOS: To afhnete anoikto to qema. Lete oti to plhroforoymai apo esas..

REPPAS: Kanena anoikto qema. Den gnwrizw na exei qesei tetoio qema. Den exei qesei tetoio qema.

FILHS: Eipate oti ``qewrw oti paramenei''@

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs den gnwrizw. Milw apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs kai oxi ek meroys toy k. Synadinoy. Ean parei mia apofash ayrio, einai kati poy afora ekeinon kai qa to antimetwpisei, tote h politeia. Sas lew oti tetoio qema den yfistatai. Gnwrizete poly kala, epeidh epikoinwnoyme se kaqhmerinh bash, oti tetoioy eidoys fhmes kykloforoyn synexws. Den yparxei hmera poy na mh ginetai logos gia paraithsh kapoioy stelexoys se opoiodhpote epipedo kai oi fhmes aytes synhqws den epalhqeyontai. Me ayth thn ennoia, dinw thn apanthsh oti tetoio qema den yfistatai gia thn kybernhsh. O k. Synadinos pisteyw oti einai xrhsimos kai gi ayto akribws synexizei thn koinh prospaqeia, mazi me toys alloys poy exoyn analabei antistoixo ergo, prokeimenoy na proetoimastoyme gia thn Olympiada toy 2004.

SKOYRHS: Pws krinei h kybernhsh th dhlwsh toy k. Papaiwannoy oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn to 2003;

REPPAS: Den ekane ayth th dhlwsh o k. Papaiwannoy. Gnwrizete oti oi ekloges eginan ton Aprilio toy 2000 kai symfwna me to Syntagma oi ekloges qa ginoyn to 2004.

SKOYRHS: Mh lete oti den thn ekane@

REPPAS: Den eipe ayto akribws. Den eipe oti qa ginoyn ekloges to 2003.

SKOYRHS: Eipe, oti einai endexomeno@

REPPAS: Eidate, loipon; Eseis me thn erwthsh sas eipate oti o k. Papaiwannoy htan safhs kai kathgorhmatikos oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn to 2003. Sas apanthsa oti den eipe kati tetoio o k. Papaiwannoy.

SKOYRHS: Synypografete ayth th dhlwsh, opws thn eipe;

REPPAS: O k. Papaiwannoy, opws kaqe stelexos, leei tis apoceis toy. Ekloges einai endexomeno na ginoyn ana pasa stigmh gia diaforoys logoys. Leme, omws, ti einai ayto poy problepetai symfwna me to plaisio poy qetei to Syntagma ths xwras mas. Ekloges loipon -kai milw ek meroys ths kybernhshs- qa ginoyn to 2004.

SKOYRHS: O Proedros toy SEB exei dhlwsei oti exei dwsei xrhmata se stelexh olwn twn kommatwn. Pws krinete ayth th dhlwsh;

REPPAS: O Proedros toy SEB mporei na einai pio sygkekrimenos kai eite aytoboylws, eite efoson klhqei qa prepei na dwsei perissoteres leptomereies.

SKOYRHS: Epeidh, kata to parelqon, exoyn diatypwqei enstaseis apo boyleytes gia to qema toy nomosxedioy gia thn Apasxolhsh, opws ews twra exei diamorfwqei, yparxei endexomeno h kybernhsh na qesei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias;

REPPAS: O ypoyrgos Ergasias, o k. Giannitshs paraxwrei ayth thn wra synenteyjh Typoy stoys synadelfoys sas kai anaferetai se ola ayta ta qemata. H kybernhsh exei dhlwsei -kai to epanalambanw- oti prokeitai na labei sxetikh prwtoboylia giati prepei twra na antimetwpisoyme ola ayta ta qemata, prokeimenoy me to jekinhma ths neas xronias, na eimaste etoimoi dhmioyrgwntas ena neo plaisio, diamorfwnontas ena neo topio, na antimetwpisoyme problhmata ta opoia h ellhnikh koinwnia, gia para polla xronia, den mporese na antimetwpisei kai na lysei. An qeloyme, p.x. meiwsh ths megisths wras apasxolhshs ebdomadiaiws sthn Ellada, me th nea xronia qa prepei na paroyme twra mia sygkekrimenh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia. Ayto kanei h kybernhsh.

ANTYPAS: Den apanthsate gia thn kommatikh peiqarxia.

REPPAS: Den syzhtoyme me ypoqeseis. Gnwrizete oti ayth thn wra den exei katateqei to nomosxedio sth Boylh. Ean dwsw apanthsh se ayth thn erwthsh einai san na symfwnw me thn ypoqesh-ektimhsh poy kanete -qemith bebaiws h politikh ektimhsh- oti yparxei qema na mhn prowqhqei h na mh ginei dekto to nomosxedio. Arnoymai na mpw se ayto to dialogo.

FILHS: Yparxei kati kainoyrgio sxetika me thn ellhnikh stash sth dieqnh diaskech gia to Periballon sth Xagh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti symmetexoyn ekproswpoi ths xwras mas se ayth th diaskech. Oi problhmatismoi einai idiaitera xrhsimoi, giati to qema poy syzhteitai afora th zwh ston planhth mas. Qa enarmonistoyme me ayto poy qa apofasistei sto plaisio ths diaskechs kai eimaste etoimoi na analaboyme oles tis sxetikes prwtoboylies. Ayto einai ena meizon zhthma poy afora idiaiterws kai th xwra mas. Qa to antimetwpisoyme me idiaiterh eyqynh kai eyaisqhsia.

FILHS: Wstoso, synainesame wste na ayjhqei kata 25% to orio twn rypwn.

REPPAS: Qa to antimetwpisoyme se armonia me tis apofaseis poy qa lhfqoyn sth diaskech me eyqynh kai eyaisqhsia, alla sto pneyma poy qa kinhqoyn kai oi alles xwres.

FILHS: Sth diaskech chfizei kai h Ellada, kata kapoio tropo, afoy symmetexei.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Kai exoyme ayjhmenh eyaisqhsia gia ayta ta qemata.

MOYRTHS: Yparxei qesh ths kybernhshs sxetika me shmerina dhmosieymata peri metaforas syntelesth rypanshs apo tis anaptygmenes biomhxanikes zwnes;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ginetai syzhthsh ekei, kai prin oloklhrwqoyn, ekdoqoyn kai anakoinwqoyn ta porismata, as mhn protrejoyme. To qema einai poly shmantiko kai oloi prepei me eyqynh kai eyaisqhsia na to antimetwpisoyme.

Eyxaristw poly.

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