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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Ioylioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh dhmosieyma ths Wall Street Journal poy anaferei oti h xwra mas den einai asfalhs xwra poy mporei na filojenhsei toys Olympiakoys Agwnes;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, h eyqynh gia thn antikeimenikh enhmerwsh einai poly megalh, wste na xrhsimopoioyntai tetoioy eidoys mikrothtes, oi opoies diatrexontai, kaq` oloklhrian, apo asynarthsies kai mia epipolaih proseggish twn qematwn. To qema ths asfaleias, oson afora th diejagwgh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004, einai gia mas prwtarxikhs shmasias. Lambanoyme ola ta metra, diaqetontas o,ti mporei na diaqesei shmera h episthmh, o politismos, h dioikhsh se mesa, anqrwpino dynamiko, meqodoys, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsoyme tis proypoqeseis gia th diejagwgh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn se synqhkes apolyths asfaleias. H Ellada qa diorganwsei mia artia Olympiada kai h Aqhna, einai bebaio oti qa sygkatalexqei stis poleis ekeines poy diorganwsan O.A., opws einai h Barkelwnh, h Seoyl, to Los Antzeles, xwris to paramikro problhma. Asfalws, den qa exei kamia sxesh h Olympiada ayth me thn Olympiada poy diorganwqhke sthn Atlanta to 1996. Prepei na pw oti einai fanerh h skopimothta poy ejyphretoyn tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata. Den prosferoyn, an qewrhtika lene kapoioi oti ayto epidiwkoyn, opoiadhpote bohqeia sthn kateyqynsh na antimetwpisoyme problhmata. Antiqetws, fanerwnoyn, aprokalypta pleon, th diaqesh na yponomeysoyn thn prospaqeia mas h thn proetoimasia ths xwras mas gia thn Olympiada toy 2004. Se teleytaia analysh, einai poly nwris gia na mporei kapoios, me toso kathgorhmatiko tropo, na anakalyptei toso polla problhmata. Exoyme diorganwsei shmantikes ekdhlwseis sthn Ellada, xwris to paramikro problhma. Mporoyme, loipon, na kriqoyme kai apo to parelqon mas, oson afora th diorganwsh megalwn ekdhlwsewn. Den dexomaste kai aporriptoyme tetoies kathgories. Sas diabebaiw oti mporei kapoios na pinei ton kafe toy se opoiodhpote shmeio ths Elladas kai ths Aqhnas, xwris na diatrexei ton paramikro kindyno. Ayto, allwste, apodeiknyei kai to kyma twn toyristwn apo oles tis xwres kai apo tis HPA, poy kaqe xrono ayjanetai kai malista, fetos, qa einai idiaitera ayjhmeno. H Ellada einai mia xwra asfalhs. H Olympiada, thn opoia qa diorganwsoyme, qa einai mia monadikh Olympiada se oloys toys tomeis. Kai ston tomea twn synqhkwn asfaleias poy qa diasfalisoyme.

KAPPOS: Epeidh milhsate gia ``faneres skopimothtes'', sygkatalegete se aytes kai kapoio plagio polemo gia thn analhch toy paketoy asfaleias;

REPPAS: Den pisteyw oti mporei ayto na qewrhqei ena kinhtro h mia afethria gia tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata. Allwste, to endexomeno proslhchs symboyloy, prokeimenoy na odhghqei h xwra mas sth diorganwsh twn Agwnwn, mporei na pei kaneis oti afora ena periorismeno sxetika xrhmatiko poso, poy an ginei ayth h epilogh, qa anerxetai peripoy sto ena disekatommyrio draxmes. Den nomizw oti einai logos aytos. Asfalws, yparxoyn alloy eidoys ``paixnidia'' poy exoyn sxesh me th leitoyrgia ths dieqnoys olympiakhs oikogeneias. Qelw na pisteyw oti opoia skopimothta ki an ejyphreteitai h prowqeitai me tetoia dhmosieymata, telikws oloi qa antilhfqoyn -kai aytoi poy meterxontai tetoia mesa- oti h Ellada kanei mia entimh kai systhmatikh prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na diasfalisei oroys kai synqhkes diejagwghs ths Olympiadas, opws kai se alles periptwseis sto parelqon otan eginan O.A. xwris to paramikro problhma, me ejairesh bebaia thn Atlanta, poy anaferetai ws arnhtiko paradeigma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan lete ``yponomeyoyn'', oi Amerikanoi yponomeyoyn thn prospaqeia mas;

REPPAS: Den milhsa gia Amerikanoys, milhsa gia dhmosieymata poy filojenoyntai, kata kairoys, se diafora entypa. Den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata. To periexomeno toys, einai fanero oti kati allo epidiwkei.

KALARITHS: Ayth h epidiwjh qa mporoyse na htan h analhch, apo kapoia allh xwra, twn Olympiakwn; Epeidh, metajy allwn, anaferetai sto dhmosieyma oti oi sponsores skeptontai na aposyroyn thn empistosynh toys.

REPPAS: Me panhgyriko tropo apofasise h Dieqnhs Olympiakh Epitroph thn anaqesh twn O.A. toy 2004 sthn Aqhna. Gnwrizete poly kala pws h polh poy exei analabei th diorganwsh twn Agwnwn einai ayth poy telikws diorganwnei toys Agwnes. Emeis proetoimazomaste katallhlws. Meta pollwn epainwn mas doqhke ayth h dynatothta. Qa antapokriqoyme sto epakro se ayth thn epilogh kai thn timh poy egine sth xwra mas kai sthn Aqhna. Pisteyw oti oloi aytoi poy anaferontai se diafora problhmata, to kanoyn me ena tropo poy einai yperbolikos kai telika ejwpragmatikos. Asfalws, sthn poreia proetoimasias mias xwras gia thn Olympiada poy exei analabei na diorganwsei, polla problhmata prepei na antimetwpistoyn. Otan, omws, dinetai aytos o tonos, o yperbolikos kai ejwpragmatikos, tote mporei kaneis na odhghqei sto symperasma oti kati allo epidiwketai. Alla, opoiadhpote skopimothta -epanalambanw- ki an ejyphreteitai me tetoia dhmosieymata, den dikaiologei ayth thn epanalhch, ayth thn epanafora, pali kai pali, ths syzhthshs gia thn Olympiada toy 2004 se ena pedio, san ayto poy afora thn tromokratia h tis synqhkes asfaleias, doqentos oti tipota den dikaiologei ayth thn emmonh.

FILHS: Gia to qema twn germanikwn apozhmiwsewn: Anaferqhkate kai proxqes sto qema. Xqes, egine h syskech sto Megaro Majimoy. Erwtw, ean o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, kat` entolh ths kybernhshs, bebaiws, qa epitrecei thn katasxesh germanikwn perioysiakwn stoixeiwn sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Isxyoyn apolytws ta osa exoyme pei. To shmantiko ayto qema, to opoio einai lepto, xreiazetai idiaiterh prosoxh sth diaxeirish toy apo th dikh mas pleyra, alla kai apo oles tis alles pleyres. Prepei na to antimetwpisoyme me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. Yparxei apofash dikasthriwn, thn opoia oydeis mporei na agnohsei kai na parakamcei. O ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs exei seira epafwn me paragontes, oi opoioi exoyn mia oysiastikh emplokh se ayto to qema. Shmera, synanthqhke me to dikhgoro, ton k. Stamoylh, kai syzhthse to qema. H prospaqeia poy kanoyme oloi einai tetoia, wste na epityxoyme to kalytero dynato, gia aytoys oi opoioi dikaiwqhkan me mia dikastikh apofash, alla, bebaiws, taytoxronws to kalytero dynato prepei na epityxoyme kai gia th xwra mas, sto plaisio twn dieqnwn sxesewn ths.

FILHS: Pera apo to qema toy kratikoy symferontos, to opoio oloi synypologizoyme, yparxei ena qema dikaiwmatwn twn politwn kai anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn. Otan h Ellada egkalei -kai orqws- thn Toyrkia oti parabiazei anqrwpina dikaiwmata, opws einai oti agnoei apofaseis dikasthriwn, einai dynato na mhn lambanei ws prwtisth arxh h kybernhsh, thn arxh toy sebasmoy twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn;

REPPAS: Symfwnw apolytws mazi sas. Eipa ayto akribws poy epanalabate ki eseis me alla logia. Den milhsa mono gia kratiko symferon. Milhsa gia eqniko symferon. Yparxei mia diafora. Kata ta alla, o sebasmos mas stis apofaseis twn dikasthriwn einai apolytos kai antilambaneste oti to qema ayto, logw ths idiaiterothtas toy, qa prepei na to antimetwpisoyme sth swsth diastash toy. Ayto kanoyme.

FILHS: Antimetwpizei h kybernhsh to endexomeno oi Ellhnes polites, ean h kybernhsh den toys symparastaqei, opws ofeilei na toys symparastaqei kai nomikws, prosfygoyn sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio kai h Ellada breqei na einai kathgoroymenh gia parabiash anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn;

REPPAS: Jekinate apo mia lanqasmenh bash gia na anaptyjete thn erwthsh sas, epeidh h skech poy kanete, metajy twn allwn, periexei ena stoixeio to opoio egw den dexomai: oti brisketai se diastash kai antidikia h ellhnikh Kybernhsh h to kratos kai oi yphresies toy me sygkekrimenoys polites, toys opoioys afora h apofash toy dikasthrioy. Ayto den symbainei. Ayto to opoio symbainei einai h diaxeirish enos qematos, to opoio einai prwtofanerwto kai prepei na to antimetwpisoyme me analogh sobarothta kai eyqynh. Ayto kanoyme, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon, xwris bebaiws na agnooyme kai na apallotriwnoyme ta symferonta twn politwn poy exoyn dikaiwqei me apofash dikasthrioy.

FILHS: Wstoso, o k. Staqopoylos synanthqhke, shmera, me to dikhgoro twn politwn kai h kybernhsh den exei kanei analogo diabhma sth germanikh pleyra@

REPPAS: Den exei kanena logo na probei se diabhma h ellhnikh kybernhsh, doqentos oti den exei dexqei kati apo thn pleyra ths Germanias, prajh, logo, energeia, prwtoboylia, h opoia na odhgei sthn anagkh mias tetoias antidrashs. Yparxei apofash dikasthrioy. Oi foreis oi opoioi exoyn emplakei sthn ypoqesh ayth, diatypwnoyn tis qeseis toys. H kybernhsh, se ayto to plaisio topoqeteitai. Kai epanalambanw, parembainei kai anaptyssei thn opoia prwtoboylia ths, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Bghke mia apofash apo to Anwtato Dikasthrio. Dhladh, o k. Staqopoylos kanei epafh me ton k. Stamoylh gia na mhn efarmostei ayth h apofash; Giati qelei na dei ton k. Stamoylh;

REPPAS: Ayth einai mia ypoqesh poy kanete eseis. Den einai o k. Staqopoylos poy qelei na dei ton k. Stamoylh. Einai kai o k. Stamoylhs poy qelei na dei ton k. Staqopoylo. Oydeis mporei na synanthsei kapoion ean den to epiqymoyn oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi synantwntai. Loipon, mhn probainete sthn ejagwgh symperasmatwn gia logoys entypwsewn. Sas lew kai pali oti h kybernhsh, sto qema ayto, exei na paijei ena rolo. O rolos aytos ths kybernhshs orioqeteitai sto plaisio poy periegraca, molis prin.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Proxqes, mas eipate oti basei toy arqroy 223 toy Kwdika Politikhs Dikonomias, alla ayto exei katarghqei@

REPPAS: Ayth einai h nomikh ekdoxh poy paroysiazei mia allh pleyra. H kybernhsh menei se ayth th qesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exei katarghqei;

REPPAS: H symbash, sthn opoia anafereste, einai genikh kai polla arqra ta opoia yparxoyn sto eswteriko diktyo, mporei na pei kaneis, an dexqei ayth thn ekdoxh, payoyn na isxyoyn. Oxi. Yparxei mia eidikh ryqmish, sygkekrimenh, sthn opoia anaferqhkame, poy qewroyme oti paramenei se isxy.

MIXAHL: Exei jeshkwqei megalos qorybos me aformh to prostimo poy ``fagame'' apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio gia to qema toy Koyroyphtoy. Den qa sas rwthsw gia to texniko meros, giati ayto einai armodiothta alloy ypoyrgeioy, toy YPEXWDE. Wstoso, qelw na sas kanw to ejhs politiko erwthma: Pote h kybernhsh qa paijei to rolo ths gia na efarmosei toys nomoys poy h idia chfizei; Dioti kai to qema toy Koyroyphtoy to exei ryqmisei me prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy, kat` arxhn, kai palaiotera me alles prajeis se ryqmisiako epipedo kai ekkremoyses alles ypoqeseis exei, analoges, sthn ypoloiph Ellada kai den blepoyme na lynetai to problhma.

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto milhsame, xqes. Milhse kai o armodios ypoyrgos. Pragmati, eimaste se mia dysaresth qesh na prepei na katabaloyme ena xrhmatiko poso ws prostimo, epeidh synexizei na leitoyrgei o Koyroyphtos, ws topoqesia sylloghs aporrimmatwn. Gnwrizete oti to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, se prosfath synedriash toy, elabe sygkekrimenh apofash. Sto Dhmo Akrwthrioy dhmioyrgeitai xwros sympieshs, dematopoihshs kai apoqhkeyshs twn aporrimmatwn. Einai mia meqodos poy antapokrinetai plhrws stis proypoqeseis gia th diasfalish ths dhmosias ygeias. Kai exoyme th dynatothta na thn akoloyqhsoyme, exoyme, dhladh, ton analogo ejoplismo sth diaqesh mas. Epipleon, malista, anabaqmizei to periballon. Ara, den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote antidrash apo thn pleyra twn katoikwn kai twn topikwn forewn. Emeis proxwroyme sthn efarmogh ayths ths apofashs. Kai kaqws proxwroyme, prepei na kalesoyme ki esas, ta MME, na symbalete sthn eyaisqhtopoihsh twn katoikwn, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyn, apo th dikh toys pleyra, sthn efarmogh ayths ths apofashs, poy enarmonizetai me ta dika toys symferonta. Na mhn antidroyn, na mhn yponomeyoyn kaqe prospaqeia, wste na efarmostei to dikaio kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Giati etsi den antistrateyontai mono ta symferonta ths xwras, alla diaiwnizoyn mia katastash, h opoia apobainei se baros kai twn dikwn toys symferontwn kai twn symferontwn toy topoy toys. Kai ayto, giati yparxei enas xwros, opws einai aytos toy Koyroyphtoy, poy pragmatika, xwris stoixeiwdeis synqhkes ygieinhs, riptontai kai kaigontai ta skoypidia. Ayto to opoio eprepe na kanei h kybernhsh to ekane. Aytos einai o rolos ths. Gnwrizete -mias kai miloysame analoga kai gia allo qema- oti prepei na sebomaste tis apofaseis twn Dikasthriwn. Prepei, loipon, na labete ypoch sas oti to Symboylio Epikrateias exei ekdwsei seira apofasewn gia to qema ayto, meta apo allepallhles prosfyges katoikwn kai topikwn forewn. H kybernhsh efqase, hdh, shmera se ayth thn apofash, thn opoia qetei se efarmogh. Sas kalw ki esas na symbalete sthn eyaisqhtopoihsh twn katoikwn kai twn forewn ths perioxhs gia thn efarmogh ths, xwris antidraseis.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sygnwmh, einai antifatiko ayto poy lete. Kaleite ta MME oysiastika na mhn probaloyn tis diamartyries twn katoikwn kai na katanohsoyn pws einai pros ofelos toys to oti prepei na yparxei tafh twn aporrimmatwn. Omws, thn idia wra, tis apofaseis poy exete parei @kai opws xqes o k. Laliwths me mia makroskelh anakoinwsh toy mas ejhghse ti akribws exei kanei to kratos- den tis efarmosate. Kai sas qetw to poly aplo erwthma: Giati den efarmosthkan oi apofaseis toy YPEXWDE toy 1998,1996,1994; Giati den efarmozontai sthn periptwsh ths Anatolikhs Attikhs, giati den efarmozontai kai se polles alles periptwseis; Gia na to pw eyqews, pio apla de ginetai, poia symferonta de qelete na ``xtyphsete'';

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, sthn apanthsh moy anaferqhka se ayto, to opoio eseis qewrhsate ws synolo apanthshs, mono kata th mia pleyra, ws ena stoixeio kai mono, metajy twn allwn. Ayto poy prepei na exete ypoch sas einai oti, prwton, oi apofaseis twn Dikasthriwn kai toy StE, en prokeimenw, den mporei na parakamfqoyn apo th dikh mas pleyra. Deyteron, mporw na anagnwrisw eyqews -kai pali shmera, opws ekana xqes- oti pragmati yparxei kaqysterhsh kai apo thn pleyra toy kratoys, sthn efarmogh ayths ths apofashs. Se teleytaia analysh, den einai qema diko sas, twn MME, h efarmogh ths apofashs. Omws, h enhmerwsh kai h eyaisqhtopoihsh twn politwn, ths koinhs gnwmhs, gia ena qema poy exei parei megalh diastash, einai kai diko sas ergo. Asfalws, qa probalete tis antidraseis kai tis kinhtopoihseis twn katoikwn. Sto plaisio, omws, toy sxoliasmoy qa prepei ki eseis na paijete epoikodomhtika enan rolo, se ayth thn periptwsh, prokeimenoy na yperaspisteite mia qesh, poy einai orqh kai prepei na tyxei efarmoghs. Peri aytoy o logos.

FILHS: Molis liges hmeres meta thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE, yparxei mia apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy, sthn opoia h Ellada kathgoreitai gia parabiash ths periballontikhs nomoqesias. Giname Eyrwph gia esas. Loipon, gnwrizete oti h Ellada einai h monadikh eyrwpaikh xwra, h opoia exei katadikastei gia periballontikh parabiash; H monadikh xwra poy exei katadikastei gia parabiash periballontikhs nomoqesias. Qa hqela ena politiko sxolio gia ayth th qliberh prwtia ths Elladas kai qa hqela na gnwrizw an h tropologia poy chfisthke xqes sth Boylh kai poy afora th xaristikh ryqmish gia katapathtes toy Dhmosioy entassetai akribws se ayth th qliberh prwtia ths xwras mas.

REPPAS: Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo. Parabiazete anoiktes portes. Milhsa gia dysaresth qesh, sthn opoia exoyme breqei. Ara, loipon, exw dwsei ek prooimioy apanthsh sto erwthma sas ayto. Ayth h ejelijh, asfalws, einai arnhtikh. Apo thn allh omws, den qa prepei na asxoloymaste me qemata ta opoia sygkyriaka anafyontai mono kai mono gia na dhmioyrgoyme entypwseis. Eida, fer` eipein, enan eyrwboyleyth toy SYN, ton k. Alabano, na kataqetei twra mia erwthsh, h opoia -leei- qa syzhthqei apo to Septembrio kai meta sto Eyrwkoinoboylio. Ton prohgoymeno mhna h ton proprohgoymeno, oydeis eixe eyaisqhtopoihqei na kinhsei kapoia diadikasia sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy. Twra, egine meizon qema. H Ellada katadikasthke. Qa prepei, loipon, twra, kapoioi na ``ajiopoihsoyn'' ayto to qema!!

FILHS: To qema ayto, to katanthma toy Koyroyphtoy, to eqese prwtos sthn Eyrwboylh o k. Papagiannakhs.

REPPAS: Jerete pote egine ayto;

FILHS: Pro ejaetias. Giati parabiazete anoiktes qyres.

REPPAS: Tis anoiktes qyres tis parabiasate eseis prin.

FILHS: Frontizete na anoigete kerkoportes parabiashs ths nomoqesias.

REPPAS: Den exoyme oyte na krycoyme kati, oyte na prostatecoyme kati poy den einai nomimo, wste na xreiazetai na to kalycoyme. Emeis leitoyrgoyme me anoiktes portes kai me apolyth diafaneia, ws pros ta qemata ayta. Den dikaiologeitai ayth h kathgoria apo thn pleyra sas. Antilambanomai oti qelete na syzhthsoyme gia tis eyqynes ths xwras mas kai na anadeijoyme oti einai h monh xwra ths E.E. poy exei ypostei mia tetoia katadikh@

FILHS: Isxyei h den isxyei;

REPPAS: Ayto sas dysarestei para poly! To gnwrizw. Giati, dystyxws, einai alhqeia.

FILHS: Mas prosballei, bebaiws, ayth h symperifora.

REPPAS: Qa eprepe, omws, otan exoyme symperifores apo omades politwn poy deixnoyn oti h Ellada den einai etoimh na enarmonistei me osa isxyoyn se alles xwres, na kaythriazoyme aytes tis symperifores. Opws, epishs, qa prepei na epainoyme symperifores kai drasthriothtes se alles periptwseis, oi opoies deixnoyn oti h Ellada einai sthn prwtoporia ths Eyrwphs. Kai exoyme tetoia paradeigmata. Ara, loipon, otan eimaste toso apolytoi sthn katadikh kai ton cogo, qa prepei na eimaste, se alles periptwseis, kai proqymoi gia to dikaio epaino. Giati yparxoyn kai ajiepaines prwtoboylies. Den einai ola pros katadikh sthn Ellada. Alla, en pash periptwsei, to qema ayto einai mia arnhtikh ejelijh kai ws tetoia thn epishmainoyme.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epeidh to qema ths dhmosias ygeias kai ths prostasias toy periballontos, einai ejisoy shmantiko, oso kai ayto twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, qelw na rwthsw giati h kybernhsh den epideiknyei thn idia boylhsh, opws epideiknyei sto qema twn taytothtwn gia paradeigma.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti ayto to qema to exoyme antimetwpisei kai exoyme diatypwsei thn telikh qesh mas. Den exoyn kamia sxesh ta dyo qemata, metajy toys. Oson afora thn erwthsh sas qa epanalabw oti h Ellada einai mia xwra sthn opoia ta atomika dikaiwmata ginontai sebasta. Bebaiws, oi synqhkes gia th dhmosia ygieinh prepei na einai se ychlo epipedo, opws se oles tis xwres ths E.E. Den exoyme kanena periqwrio, edw, na diekdikoyme ena ychlo pososto. Prepei 100%, apolytws dhladh, na petyxainoyme to skopo mas, se tetoioys tomeis, oi opoioi einai neyralgikoi, einai idiaiteroi. Kai stoys tomeis aytoys, mporei na dei o kaqenas, ta stoixeia ths taytothtas mas, ws koinwnias poy poreyetai sto neo aiwna, me ajiwseis kai filodojies.

KAPPOS: Xqes, eipate, to ejhs se sxesh me to prostimo: Oti to ellhniko Dhmosio mporei na problecei, wste to poso ayto na afaireitai apo tis ekastote xrhmatodothseis poy proorizontai gia th sygkekrimenh perioxh. Qelw na rwthsw eyqews to ejhs: Prwton, me poia nootropia h kybernhsh, oysiastika proxwra se mia prajh timwrias, me antilhch syllogikhs eyqynhs twn forewn mias perioxhs kai, deyteron, an me bash ayth th logikh toy epimerismoy toy prostimoy, skeftetai h kybernhsh na epimerisei to prostimo kai pros to StE, to opoio me mia apofash, sygkekrimena thn 284 toy 2000, oysiastika dikaiwnei toys katoikoys toy Koyroyphtoy.

REPPAS: Oson afora to deytero skelos, den exw na pw tipota allo. Asfalws, antilambaneste pws h apanthsh poy sas dinw, den mporei na einai allh apo to oti oi apofaseis twn Dikasthriwn prepei na ginontai sebastes. Den einai dynaton ta Dikasthria, otan ekdidoyn apofash na ypokeintai se epibolh kyrwsewn, se epibolh prostimwn gia apofash poy exoyn ekdwsei. Ayto den einai dynato na symbei kai den exei symbei pote. Xairomai, omws, poy to anaferete, giati etsi katadeiknyetai oti, metajy twn allwn, den einai apotelesma oligwrias ths kybernhshs to oti odhghqhkame se ayth thn katastash. Deyteron, h arxh ths syllogikhs eyqynhs einai arxh poy xarakthrizei to Mesaiwna. Den einai dynaton ayth h arxh na afora mia sygxronh politeia. Se teleytaia analysh, apokwdikopoiw th xrhsimothta ayths ths arxhs, legontas pws den einai dynaton oi polites se olh th xwra na analambanoyn ena baros, gia to opoio den exoyn kamia eyqynh. To baros ayto qa prepei na to analaboyn ekeinoi, oi opoioi eyqynontai gia to oti odhghqhkame se ayth thn katastash. Exei tropoys h politeia, prokeimenoy na epimerisei aytes tis eyqynes. Kai oi eyqynes epimerizontai. Ayto, allwste, apotelei systatiko stoixeio enos kratoys dikaioy kai oxi to antiqeto, opws isws isxyrizeste eseis. Giati, asfalws, den yparxei h arxh ths syllogikhs eyqynhs sth xwra mas. Makria apo mas mia tetoia antilhch. Aytoi poy exoyn eyqynh qa prepei na thn analaboyn. Epanalambanw oti ayth h eyqynh qa prepei na toys apodoqei me kaythriasmo ths stashs toys kai apo ta MME.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sthn ayrianh syzhthsh gia thn protash nomoy ths N.D. qa teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias;

REPPAS: Kaqe boyleyths exei dikaiwma na chfizei kata syneidhsh, symfwna me thn krish kai tis dikes toy apoceis. Oi boyleytes poy einai parontes kai askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys, den antikaqistantai kai den tiqetai qema kommatikhs peiqarxias gia toys boyleytes poy askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Osoi qa apexoyn, qa antikatastaqoyn;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ayto. Opoios askei ta kaqhkonta toy, symmetexwn sth diadikasia, kai dhlwnei oti apexei, den einai dynato na antikatastaqei. Opoios den symmetexei sth diadikasia, asfalws, den askei ta kaqhkonta toy. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti se kaqe Tmhma, o ariqmos twn boyleytwn poy sygkrotei to Tmhma einai poly sygkekrimenos.

MPOTWNHS: Pws antimetwpizei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ta fainomena tromokratias, to teleytaio diasthma, se baros ths ellhnikhs meionothtas sthn Albania;

REPPAS: Prepei h kybernhsh ths Albanias na labei kapoia metra, na antimetwpisei th drash symmoriwn, giati pisteyw oti mia tetoia katastash den blaptei mono tis dimereis sxeseis, den odhgei mono se polla problhmata th meionothta, alla dhmioyrgei adiejoda kai gia thn idia thn Albania. Kai epeidh blepw paragontes ths politikhs zwhs ths Albanias na probainoyn se dhlwseis poy apokalyptoyn me peritrano tropo oti zoyn se ena kosmo fantasiwsewn, qa elega, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, pws kalo einai h kybernhsh ths Albanias kai oloi oi paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs ths geitonikhs xwras, na antilhfqoyn oti h beltiwsh twn ellhno-albanikwn sxesewn den einai monodromos. Apaitei kai apo tis dyo pleyres na kataballoyn kaqe prospaqeia gia na Petyxoyme enan koino skopo. Den einai dynato na ``trabaei koypi'' o enas, se mia barka h opoia exei ena sygkekrimeno proorismo. Qa prepei kai o synepibaths toy, se ayth thn poreia twn kalwn sxesewn, na kataballei analogh prospaqeia. Kai den blepoyme na ginetai ayto.

FILHS: Xqes, sth dejiwsh toy k. Mperns, akoysthke enas dialogos kai apo thn thleorash kai synadelfoi to epibebaiwnoyn, metajy toy Arxiepiskopoy kai toy k. Mhtsotakh. Erwthse o k. Xristodoylos pws qa ginei na perasei h protash nomoy sth Boylh. Kai apanthse, o empeiros koinoboyleytika k. Mhtsotakhs, oti den prepei na yparjei onomastikh chfoforia, an qelei na perasei h protash. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` ayto to endiaferon, peri ta koinoboyleytika hqh, toy k. Arxiepiskopoy;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti, epeidh einai gnwstes oi apoceis toy Makariotatoy epi toy qematos, opws kai oi apoceis toy epitimoy Proedroy ths N.D, logiko einai na epidiwkoyn apo koinoy thn yperchfish mias protashs poy den briskei symfwnh thn kybernhsh. Alla, nomizw oti o k. Mhtsotakhs diaqetei megalh empeiria kai arketh texnognwsia gia thn antimetwpish tetoiwn qematwn, wste na mh xreiazetai tis idees toy Makariotatoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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