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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Ioynioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela, kat` arxas, na sas enhmerwsw oti chfisthke prin apo ligo sth Boylh, sto synolo toy, to nomosxedio gia thn anadiarqrwsh toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs toy ``Aqhna 2004''. H synqesh toy D.S. einai 17melhs, ypo thn eyreia ennoia, kai epishs problepetai h taktikh synqesh toy Symboylioy, poy einai 5melhs. Se aythn symmetexei o Proedros toy D.S., o Dieyqynwn Symboylos kai tria melh toy D.S..

H synqesh toy 17meloys D.S. einai h ejhs:

H k. Gianna Aggelopoyloy, h opoia einai Proedros.

O Antiproedros Xaralampos Nikolaoy, o opoios einai melos ths DOE.

O Petros Synadinos, o opoios analambanei kaqhkonta Dieyqynontos Symboyloy. Einai arxitektwn-poleodomos kai htan epikefalhs toy fakeloy ypochfiothtas ths Aqhnas sth diadikasia diekdikhshs ths analhchs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004.

Symmetexoyn epishs: O Dhmarxos Aqhnaiwn Dhmhtrhs Abramopoylos kai akomh, o Kwnstantinos Gewrgiadhs, Kosmhtoras ths Dieqnoys Olympiakhs Akadhmias, o Dhmhtrhs Gklabas, Proedros ths POESY, o Dhmhtrhs Diaqesopoylos, Genikos Grammateas ths Epitrophs Olympiakwn Agwnwn, o Spyros Kapralos, trapezikos, o Kwnstantinos Liaskas, Proedros toy TEE, o Iwannhs Manos, Genikos Grammateas ths Enwshs Ellhnikwn Trapezwn, o Iwannhs Papadogiannakhs, Antiproedros ths EOA, o Xrhstos Polyzwgopoylos, Proedros ths GSEE, o Iwannhs Pyrgiwths, arxitektwn-poleodomos, o Iwannhs Sgoyros, Genikos Grammateas Aqlhtismoy, o Marton Simitsek, oikonomologos, o Panagiwths Tzanikos, Dhmarxos Amaroysioy, kai o Nikolaos Filaretos, melos ths DOE.

Melh toy D.S., sthn taktikh synqesh toy, qa einai pleon: h Proedros toy D.S. Gianna Aggelopoyloy-Daskalakh, anaplhroymenh, se periptwsh apoysias h kwlymatos ths, apo ton Antiproedro Xaralampo Nikolaoy. O Dieyqynwn Symboylos Petros Synadinos kai tria akomh melh poy einai, oi Spyros Kapralos, Kwnstantinos Liaskas kai Marton Simitsek.

Prepei na sas anaferw oti o kaqhghths k. Papadhmhtrioy, symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eixe apo poly kairo zhthsei na apallagei twn kaqhkontwn toy, logw fortoy ergasias. Ayto ginetai me thn eykairia ths allaghs sth synqesh twn organwn aytwn.

Pisteyoyme oti h nea problech poy ginetai me to nomosxedio poy, hdh, chfisthke apo th Boylh kai einai nomos toy kratoys, qa bohqhsei sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn gia thn kalyterh proetoimasia ths xwras mas enocei ths Olympiadas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Me ton k. Mpakoyrh ti ginetai;

REPPAS: H lysh ths synergasias me ton k. Mpakoyrh egine se pneyma synennohshs kai me diaqesh ajiopoihshs toy se allh qesh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Gia thn apozhmiwsh toy k. Mpakoyrh;

REPPAS: Ayto poy sas eipa, an apokwdikopoihqei swsta, nomizw oti ta leei ola. Egine me pneyma katanohshs kai me diaqesh ajiopoihshs se allh qesh. Ola ta alla qemata, stis leptomereies toys, qa syzhthqoyn metajy twn dyo pleyrwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ta onomata ayta einai epilogh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h katopin synergasias me thn k. Daskalakh;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, asfalws, exei synergasia me thn k. Aggelopoyloy, kaqws kai me toys foreis poy exoyn symmetoxh se ayth th diadikasia proetoimasias ths xwras mas. H apofash einai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws problepei to nomiko plaisio.

KAPPOS: Ws pros th xqesinh sygkentrwsh qa hqela na rwthsw, an kai th sxoliasate xqes to brady, an ayto to gegonos syneisefere kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs kati to kainoyrgio, sta osa prokeitai apo edw kai pera na skeftei h na prajei h kybernhsh, se sxesh me to qema.

REPPAS: Yparxei ena sygkekrimeno qema epi toy opoioy exoyn analhfqei prwtoboylies ki exoyn ginei polles syzhthseis. H kybernhsh exei mia orqh qesh. H Ierarxia exei diatypwsei mia qesh, h opoia den mas briskei symfwnoys. Pisteyoyme oti den einai orqh h qesh ths. Ayto einai, telikws, poy exei shmasia. Ola ta alla, bebaiws, exoyn thn ajia toys, alla einai se deyterh moira, se sxesh me ayto poy einai to kyrio. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to opoio apotelese kai thn aformh gia oles aytes tis kinhtopoihseis kai th dhmosia syzhthsh, h kybernhsh exei diatypwsei mia qesh poy einai orqh.

KONTOPOYLOS: H xqesinh omilia toy Arxiepiskopoy nomizete oti afhnei periqwria dialogoy kai synennohshs gia na ektonwqei to klima twn kakwn sxesewn Politeias-Ekklhsias, opws toylaxiston diagrafetai h nomizete oti paramenoyn akomh sto shmeio ekeino poy den@

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h qesh ths kybernhshs einai orqh epi ths oysias, alla kai epi twn qematwn diadikasias h kybernhsh exei diatypwsei me krystallino tropo tis protaseis ths. Paramenei akomh ekkremhs h episkech toy Makariotatoy ston Ypoyrgo Paideias. Htan episkech, poy me dikh toy prwtoboylia, den egine. Exoyme pei polles fores oti o dromos toy dialogoy paramenei anoiktos kai einai o dromos ton opoio prepei oloi na akoloyqoyme. Kalo einai, oi ekproswpoi ths Ierarxias, apeyqynomenoi ston armodio Ypoyrgo, na syzhthsoyn ta qemata poy toys apasxoloyn. Apo thn prwth hmera diatypwsame th qesh ayth. Prepei na sas pw oti, apo thn paramonh ths sygklhshs ths Synodoy ths Ierarxias ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas, eipame pws o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio toy programmatos toy kai meta apo synennohsh, mporei na dexqei efoson yparxei sxetiko aithma ekproswpoys ths Ierarxias. Ola ayta, omws, antilambaneste pws prepei na ginoyn me enan kanoniko tropo. Qewroyme pws ews twra apofeygetai h episkech ston armodio Ypoyrgo kai ayto einai kati poy apotelei arnhtikh ekdhlwsh poy den symballei sto na jeperasoyme mia krish, h opoia dhmioyrghqhke ek toy mh ontos kai epanalambanw pws einai peritth kai epizhmia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhpws perimenoyme thn paraithsh toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs;

REPPAS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

KONTOPOYLOS: O k. Koyloyrhs, omws, to eqese kai eipe ``an hmoyn egw sth qesh toy qa ypebala paraithsh gia na yparjei ektonwsh ths katastashs'', xwris na diafwnei me th qesh ths kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Einai sebasth h apoch toy. Omws, den einai sth qesh toy. O k. Staqopoylos einai Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios orizei toys ypoyrgoys kai synexizei na askei kanonikotata ta kaqhkonta toy.

ARGYROS: Xqes, o Arxiepiskopos milhse gia sygkentrwsh ekatommyriwn ypografwn, ayto einai to ena qema kai to allo giati h ERT den metedwse thn omilia toy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h prwtoboylia ths Ekklhsias na proxwrhsei se kinhtopoihseis kai opoia allh prwtoboylia analhfqei sto mellon ek meroys ths den einai dynato na tyxei opoioydhpote sxoliasmoy apo th dikh mas pleyra. Afora thn Ekklhsia. Emeis, ayto poy prepei na kanoyme einai na synexisoyme aperispastoi sto ergo mas, antapokrinomenoi sthn entolh poy mas edwse o ellhnikos laos. Metajy twn allwn, qa prepei na proxwrhsoyme se oles ekeines tis qesmikes, nomikes prwtoboylies kai ryqmiseis, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyme ta atomika dikaiwmata twn politwn. Ayto to nohma kai monon exei h sygkekrimenh epilogh ths kybernhshs gia to qema ths mh anaforas toy qrhskeymatos, twn qrhskeytikwn pepoiqhsewn twn politwn sta astynomika deltia anagnwrishs twn politwn. Kai ayto, giati pisteyoyme oti ena tetoio stoixeio, opws kai ta alla kaloymena eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena, den exoyn qesh kai den prepei na periexontai se tetoia dhmosia eggrafa.

Oson afora, th metadosh h oxi ths omilias, gnwrizete oti egine metadosh ektetamenwn apospasmatwn, sto plaisio toy programmatos ths ERT. Thn wra poy htan se ejelijh h ekdhlwsh ayth sthn Plateia Syntagmatos, h ERT den eixe enhmerwtikes ekpompes. Sto plaisio toy programmatos ths filojenhse thn ekdhlwsh ayth otan oi enhmerwtikes ekpompes hrqe h wra pleon na problhqoyn. Ara, loipon, den tiqetai opoiodhpote qema. Gnwrizete, ejalloy, oti h ERT exei filojenhsei para polloys poy miloyn gi` ayto to qema, sto plaisio twn enhmerwtikwn ekpompwn ths. Kai, bebaiws, stis eidhseografikes ekpompes ths, sta deltia eidhsewn filojenhse ektetamena apospasmata kai kalyce ayto to qema ws prwto kai shmantiko.

PAPPA: H anakoinwsh toy Arxiepiskopoy gia sygkentrwsh xiliadwn ypografwn poy qa staloyn ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai sth Boylh synista qema gia thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Ayto einai mia ypoqesh. Den eimaste, ayth thn wra, apenanti se ena pragmatiko gegonos. Den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma gia opoiadhpote drasthriothta poy ejelissetai entos toy plaisioy toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Alla, asfalws, oles oi energeies qa prepei na einai synnomes kai taytoxrona, oxi mono me to gramma, alla kai me to pneyma toy Syntagmatos krinomenes na einai energeies poy symballoyn sth diathrhsh ths eqnikhs omocyxias, ths koinwnikhs synoxhs kai sth dieykolynsh ths prospaqeias poy kanei h xwra mas kai o ellhnikos laos, prokeimenoy na petyxei thn proodo, thn anaptyjh kai thn eyhmeria.

KOYIN: Efoson qema anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos den yparxei, toylaxiston, gia mia 10etia kai to qema twn taytothtwn exei kleisei, poia ekkremh qemata yparxoyn gia na ta syzhthsei h Politeia me thn Ekklhsia;

REPPAS: Pantote yparxoyn qemata poy apasxoloyn thn Ekklhsia stis sxeseis ths me thn Politeia kai mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno mias tetoias syzhthshs. Exw anaferei kai alles fores paradeigmata, opws einai p.x. h aponomh ths ekklhsiastikhs dikaiosynhs, h ekklhsiastikh ekpaideysh h ta erga anaptyjhs gia ta opoia endiaferetai h Ekklhsia. Ola ayta mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs.

KOYIN: To qema ths ekklhsiastikhs perioysias einai ena apo ayta ta qemata;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h porta toy dialogoy einai anoikth. Bebaiws otan kaneis dialogo den shmainei oti sympipteis h symfwneis se ola ta qemata. O kaqenas exei to diko toy diakrito rolo. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, o dialogos apotelei mia ajia thn opoia oloi prepei na sebastoyme. Gia na thrhsoyme kai na perifroyrhsoyme ayth thn ajia prepei na prosfeygoyme me apotelesmatiko tropo sth diadikasia toy dialogoy. H kybernhsh, gnwrizete poly kala, den exei analabei olh ayth thn periodo opoiadhpote prwtoboylia, h opoia qa mporoyse na tyxei kritikhs, isws, apo kapoion kakopisto, gia to oti prospaqei na antiparateqei pros thn Ekklhsia, prospaqei na yponomeysei tis drasthriothtes ths Ekklhsias. Antiqetws. H kybernhsh synexizei aperispasta to ergo ths. Den exei emplakei kaqoloy se aytes tis diadikasies h tis prwtoboylies poy analambanei h Ekklhsia, deixnontas etsi me ton kalytero tropo, sthn prajh pleon, oti ayto poy thn apasxolei einai to mellon ths xwras.

MPEKAS: Exei prosklhqei o Arxiepiskopos sthn apocinh dejiwsh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, xqes, sthn idia erwthsh.

KWSTANTHS: Sth xqesinh sygkentrwsh parabreqhke kai o k. Papaqemelhs, enw ekane dhlwseis kai o k. Koyloyrhs. Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs den apolambanei ths empistosynhs kapoiwn boyleytwn ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias;

REPPAS: Asfalws, apolambanei ths empistosynhs twn boyleytwn o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. Oi boyleytes yposthrizoyn thn kybernhsh sth Boylh. Den exei qesei opoiosdhpote qema gia ena melos ths kybernhshs.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Xqes, milhsate gia ekdhla politika xarakthristika poy exoyn oi sygkentrwseis san th xqesinh. Pws skeftetai h kybernhsh na synexisei; Me kybernhtikes anakoinwseis kaqe fora poy symbainei kati tetoio; Arkei, dhladh, ayth h antimetwpish;

REPPAS: Sthn kybernhsh exoyn anateqei sygkekrimena kaqhkonta apo ton ellhniko lao. Me ayta asxoleitai h kybernhsh. H kybernhsh prowqei to kybernhtiko ergo, epeidh etsi pisteyei oti dhmioyrgei tis proypoqeseis gia thn anaptyjh, thn proodo kai thn eyhmeria. Ayto einai to ergo ths kybernhshs. Diasfalizei ta eqnika symferonta kai, bebaiws, einai ana pasa stigmh, sth diaqesh twn endiaferomenwn forewn gia na syzhthsei qemata poy toys aforoyn. Alla, ayto den shmainei oti qa akyrwsei th dikh ths aytonomia na pairnei prwtoboylies kai na proxwra se epiloges, oi opoies kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs -symfwna me ta osa to Syntagma kai oi nomoi problepoyn- odhgoyn se mia beltiwsh toy epipedoy zwhs twn politwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Me thn kathgorhmatikh sas diaqesh na epimenete se ayth th qesh ths kybernhshs, den fobaste h den skefteste mhpws plhgei gia mia akomh fora h ajiopistia toy kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy;

REPPAS: Pote exei plhgei ayth h ajiopistia;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ean qymamai, sas eixa rwthsei gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas, ean qa th dwsete ston Kwstopoylo, kai diaceydate edw, legontas oti den qa ginei kai egine. Sto BINTEOLOTTO mas kanate alles dhlwseis to meshmeri kai meta sas ``adeiase'' o k. Shmiths. Proxqes, o k. Staqopoylos ekane dhlwseis, hrqate edw kai mas eipate oti einai oi proswpikes toy apoceis kai meta allajan ola ta dedomena. Mhpws ayth h kathgorhmatikh sas diabebaiwsh tinaxqei ston aera me mia kinhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pali; Giati emeis pisteyoyme o,ti mas lete.

REPPAS: Egw, pantws, den pisteyw ta osa grafete, gia na eimai eilikrinhs. Prepei -kai anaferomai se sygkekrimenes periptwseis- na pw to ejhs: Otan einai se ejelijh mia diadikasia metoxopoihshs h pwlhshs den einai dynato kapoios, prin oloklhrwqei h diadikasia na gnwrizei poia einai h ekbash ths. Einai dynaton kapoios apo prin na orioqethsei ena apotelesma; Kai na pw poios qa einai@

PAPADOPOYLOS: Sto qema ths Boylhs@

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti gia to qema ayto exoyn asxolhqei ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs. Pws protrexete, loipon; An ayrio kapoios, ton opoio eseis exete ypoch sas, einai aytos poy telikws qa analabei ena ergo, ti shmainei ayto; Kaqista ypopth th diadikasia; Den yparxoyn organa sthn Politeia mas poy ta elegxoyn ola ayta; Yparxoyn kanones diafaneias poy diasfalizoyn ayto to agaqo. Loipon, den einai dikaiologhmenh ayth h kritikh sas. Oson afora to BINTEOLOTTO, gnwrizete oti gia logoys taktikhs kai mono, xwris na dexqoyme oti epi ths oysias yphrxe problhma, proxwrhsame se ayth thn kinhsh -to tonisame malista entonws ayto, tote- epeidh den qelame na epitrecoyme sth N.D. na dhlhthriasei to dhmosio bio me kathgories oi opoies htan ewles. Giati emeis eixame sygkekrimenes proteraiothtes. Qelame to kybernhtiko ergo na anadeixqei kai den qelame na afhsoyme periqwrio se opoiondhpote -oyte ston pleon kakopisto- na xrewnei thn kybernhsh me alles epidiwjeis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To meshmeri legate alla.

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Na mhn pw ki egw, k. Papadopoyle, ti exete gracei kata kairoys. Ayto den shmainei oti den eiste ajiopistos. Me sygxwreite para poly. Kaqe kybernhsh exei th dynatothta -kai prepei na thn exei- na kineitai etsi, wste gia logoys taktikhs na yperaspizetai kai na prowqei to dhmosio symferon. Kriname, loipon, oti xwris na yparxei problhma, epi ths oysias, gi ayto kaq` eayto to qema, gia logoys taktikhs, yperaspizomenoi to dhmosio symferon, eprepe na proxwrhsoyme se ayth thn allagh. Den shmainei tipota ayto. Oson afora to teleytaio qema, to pleon prosfato kai epikairo, asfalws -giati exei milhsei kai o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs gia to idio qema- exei apodeixqei apolytws oti ta pragmata einai, kaqe allo, para etsi opws eseis ta paroysiasate. Ma, molis proxqes o k. Staqopoylos edwse synenteyjh se synadelfo sas kai eipe oti ``poly swsta eipe o k.Reppas kai symfwnw apolyta me ayta poy eipe. Tis apoceis moy ejefrasa. Den proteina ena neo nomiko plaisio''. Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy ekana ekeinh thn hmera. An qymaste, eipa oti yparxei mono ena problhma, meta to nomo toy 1997, poy afora thn anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos stis taytothtes, epeidh einai proswpiko dedomeno. Ayto den eida na anadeiknyetai se opoiodhpote Meso, entypo h hlektroniko. Eipa sthn prwth apanthsh moy, oti yparxei pragmati ena tetoio qema kai oti oi apoceis toy k. Staqopoyloy diapneontai apo sebasmo pros ta dikaiwmata twn politwn. Den eida na dhmosieyetai olh h apanthsh poy edwsa apo thn prwth hmera. Allo ean eseis, poy eiste toso ikanoi kata ta alla, ta kwdikopoieite me tetoio tropo, giati qelete na prokalesete entypwsh kai oxi na enhmerwsete apolytws. Kai ayto to fainomeno to zoyme syxna.

PAPADOPOYLOS: (den akoygetai)

REPPAS: Eseis epilegete ti qa anadeijete. Alla, den qa prepei na xrewnete emas, an ayto poy epilegete eseis den antapokrinetai plhrws stis diaqeseis h tis epiloges ths kybernhshs. Einai diko sas qema. Den qa sas elegjw egw gi ayto. Alla, den qa dexqoyme kai kathgories apo panw. Otan eseis apo pente seires poy eipame, probalate mono th mia, antilambaneste pws aytos o apospasmatikos tropos -kai einai poly synhqismeno fainomeno ayto- syxna odhgei se dhmioyrgia lanqasmenwn entypwsewn. Ftaiei h kybernhsh gi ayto; Parakalw poly. Ayta einai lymena qemata.

KAPPOS: Prwton, h kybernhsh epimenei oti opoiadhpote synergasia dialogoy Ekklhsias-Politeias pernaei, kat` arxhn, apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias kai, en dynamei, synexizetai me mia synanthsh Prwqypoyrgoy-Arxiepiskopoy; Kai deyteron, anejarthta apo to gegonos oti h kybernhsh epimenei se ena qema, ayth th stigmh, kata thn apoch ths, epeidh kata diasthmata yparxoyn antidraseis, laikes kinhtopoihseis gia diafora qemata. Poios ariqmos diadhlwtwn krinei h kybernhsh oti mporei na ephreasei tis apofaseis ths;

REPPAS: Tis apofaseis ths kybernhshs tis ephreazei h aisqhsh yperaspishs toy eqnikoy kai dhmosioy xreoys poy th diakatexei. Ayto kai tipota allo. Ola ta alla, asfalws, lambanontai ypoch. Ola ta dedomena staqmizontai. Giati mia kybernhsh leitoyrgei se ena sygkekrimeno koinwniko kai politiko periballon, se sygkekrimenes istorikes synqhkes. Den leitoyrgei se kapoio keno h mesa se stegano. Apo thn allh, omws, h kybernhsh exei thn politikh ths. Kai otan qewrei oti h politikh ths -etsi opws ejelissetai kai efarmozetai- prowqei to eqniko kai dhmosio symferon, menei ametakinhth se ayth thn politikh. Oson afora to qema ths synanthshs poy qesate, qelw na pw, oti apaj diatypwqhke aithma synanthshs ekproswpwn ths ierarxias me ton Prwqypoyrgo, th sygkekrimenh mera, th sygkekrimenh wra, katw apo sygkekrimenes synqhkes. Kai h apanthsh poy doqhke gia synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo htan arnhtikh. Den diatypwqhke aithma gia synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo genikws, prokeimenoy me symfwnia twn dyo pleyrwn na oristei hmera kai wra gia thn pragmatopoihsh ths. Ayta gia na aposafhnisoyme, giati dhmioyrgoyntai polles paranohseis, to pws exoyn ta pragmata. Kai bebaiws, h porta toy ypoyrgoy Paideias einai anoikth kai sth diaqesh twn ekproswpwn ths Ierarxias apo thn prwth stigmh. Kai sto plaisio ayto, bebaiws, mporei na antimetwpistei kai to qema -efoson diatypwqei aithma- synanthshs me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Alla, o Prwqypoyrgos otan synanta foreis h paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs, pantote yparxei mia analogh proetoimasia, prin ayth th synanthsh. To idio prepei na ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

BITALHS: Htan qema kyroys h qema oysias;

REPPAS: Asfalws einai qema oysias.

FILHS: Pote problepetai na ekdoqoyn oi taytothtes xwris thn anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos; An yparxei kati neotero;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti oi armodies yphresies exoyn analabei to sxetiko ergo, to opoio qa feroyn se peras, poly syntoma.

FILHS: Twra, to kalokairi;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia gia na anakoinwsw ayth thn wra. Pisteyw, omws, oti h proetoimasia twn armodiwn yphresiwn ginetai etsi, wste poly grhgora na proxwrhsoyme sthn efarmogh ayths ths apofashs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi egkyklioi ekdoqhkan;

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

SOYRMELIDHS: Opws fainetai apo ta praktika ths syzhthshs sthn amerikanikh Geroysia gia thn tromokratia, oi bohqoi dieyqyntes ths yphresias gia thn tromokratia toy FBI kai toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs twn HPA, dhlwnoyn oti yparxei synergasia twn ypeyqynwn sthn Ellada kai zhtoyn perissotera metra apo thn Ellada gia na epektaqei ayth h synergasia. Ekfrazontas kai thn anhsyxia toys gia to olo qema poy exei dhmioyrghqei. Zhtoyn akoma gia peraiterw metra. qelw na sas rwthsw, poia einai ayta ta peraiterw metra poy zhtoyn kai ean skeftetai kati tetoio h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, se aytes tis erwthseis. Eipame oti yparxei qesmiko plaisio to opoio krinetai eparkes. Mporoyme na proxwrhsoyme se oriakes beltiwseis, oson afora mia ptyxh ths desmhs twn metrwn poy lambanontai mexri twra. Apo kei kai pera, pragmati yparxei stenh synergasia twn armodiwn yphresiwn twn dyo xwrwn. Ta apotelesmata einai gnwsta se esas. Den prepei, loipon, na kathgoroyntai h kybernhsh kai oi yphresies ths xwras mas oti den einai apotelesmatikes, otan h prospaqeia poy kataballoyn einai prospaqeia poy apo koinoy kataballetai me paragontes yphresiwn allwn xwrwn.

ARGYROS: Ti allaje apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai h kybernhsh metebale thn apoch ths gia ton k. Mpakoyrh kai ton allaje;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti shmera chfisthke sth Boylh ena sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, to opoio problepei th dhmioyrgia enos organoy, poy den yphrxe sto prohgoymeno nomiko plaisio. Antimetwpizei, loipon, h kybernhsh, me ta nea dedomena, ena sygkekrimeno erwthma poy afora th synqesh aytoy toy organoy. Ektima ton k. Mpakoyrh kai -epanalambanw- h diaqesh einai na ajiopoihqei se mia allh qesh. Krinei, omws, oti qa prepei sth synexeia ta atoma ta opoia anakoinwqhkan na stelexwsoyn ta organa, na proxwrhsoyn pio grhgora se kalytera apotelesmata.

BITALHS: Exei enhmerwqei epishma h ellhnikh kybernhsh, an yparxei endexomeno, mexri to telos toy xronoy, antikatastashs toy Amerikanoy Presbh sthn Ellada k. Mperns kai poios qa einai o diadoxos toy;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizei tipota sxetiko h kybernhsh. Den afora thn kybernhsh to qema ayto.

BITALHS: Den exei enhmerwsh h kybernhsh, oson afora tis allages presbewn, edw; Dhladh, th stoixeiwdh enhmerwsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti stis HPA prokeitai na ginoyn ekloges thn epomenh periodo. Tis apofaseis ths kybernhshs twn HPA den mporei na tis gnwrizei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Egw pisteyw oti oyte h kybernhsh twn HPA den gnwrizei, ti mporei na apofasisei mia epomenh stigmh, gia ena qema.

KOYIN: Fantazomai oti o k. Mpakoyrhs qa ajiopoihqei kai pali, sto plaisio twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn@

REPPAS: Na mh fantazeste tipota. Einai ena qema to opoio, poly genika, ayth thn wra, proseggisame sto plaisio ths syzhthshs mas. Qa parei sygkekrimenh morfh, thn epomenh periodo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton k. Mpakoyrh qelw na rwthsw ki egw: Htan ``troxopedh'' gia thn prowqhsh twn ergwn gia thn Olympiada, gi` ayto antikatastaqhke;

REPPAS: Apanthsa kai sthn arxh se sxetika erwthmata. Den prokeitai peri aytoy. Gi` ayto, allwste@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati meta manias to diaceydate, edw. Sas rwtoysame kaqe mera kai to diaceydate. Legate oti den yparxei periptwsh, oti kanei kala th doyleia toy. Jafnika, apo th mia mera sthn allh@

REPPAS: Parakalw poly. Qa deite tis apanthseis poy edwsa, tis lejeis poy exw xrhsimopoihsei. Kai qa diapistwsete oti ayta ta opoia eipa, antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: An den kanw laqos, o k. Synadinos askei ta kaqhkonta toy ws Genikos Grammateas ypoyrgeioy@

REPPAS: Profanws, qa paraithqei apo th qesh poy katexei. Einai aytonohto.

KAPPOS: Exei oristikopoihsei h kybernhsh tis proqeseis ths se sxesh me ta oria h tis posostwseis apolysewn ston idiwtiko tomea;

REPPAS: H politikh mas den allazei ston tomea ayto. Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn leitoyrgika qemata, ta opoia prepei na antimetwpisei h hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias. Kai gi` ayta milhse o k. Giannitshs. Dhmioyrghqhke mia paranohsh. Prokeitai to Anwtato Symboylio Ergasias na ekdwsei thn ekqesh toy, opws kanei kaqe xrono, ayth thn periodo. To mono problhma to opoio prepei na antimetwpistei, me dialogo bebaiws me toys koinwnikoys foreis, afora kapoies oriakes periptwseis. Den yparxei tipote allo poy na synista allagh ths politikhs mas.

KAPPOS: Aytes oi oriakes periptwseis, poies einai;

REPPAS: O nomos poy isxyei gia polla xronia, problepei oti oi epixeirhseis toy idiwtikoy tomea poy apasxoloyn perissoteroys apo 51 ergazomenoys, exoyn dikaiwma na proboyn se apolyseis, mexri toy posostoy 2%. Enw gia epixeirhseis poy apasxoloyn, to poly, 50 ergazomenoys, o ariqmos aytos einai anoiktos. Den yparxei orio. Antilambaneste, loipon, oti mia epixeirhsh poy apasxolei 51-52 ergazomenoys kai mia epixeirhsh poy apasxolei 49 h 50 ergazomenoys briskontai se ena poly diaforetiko kaqestws. Qa prepei na antimetwpistoyn tetoia qemata leitoyrgias, ta opoia den exoyn sxesh me th fysiognwmia -as to pw etsi- ths politikhs mas. Paramenoyme staqeroi sthn arxh ths prostasias twn ergazomenwn kai toy dikaiwmatos toys, efoson apasxoloyntai, na einai dhmioyrgikoi kai na ameibontai gia thn ergasia toys, xwris na diatrexoyn kindyno apolyshs. Ara, loipon, kakws dhmioyrgeitai mia entypwsh, h opoia den antapokrinetai se kamia apofash ths kybernhshs. Yparxei problhmatismos gia ena qema to opoio prepei na antimetwpisoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa meinei to 2%;

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Sas eipa oti den allazei h politikh mas ston tomea ayto. Prepei na antimetwpistoyn oriakes periptwseis. Kai hmoyn sygkekrimenos. Anefera kai sygkekrimeno paradeigma oriakwn periptwsewn, oson afora ton ariqmo twn apasxoloymenwn se epixeirhseis.

FILHS: Mia epixeirhsh me 51 atoma, me bash th shmerinh nomoqesia, mporei na apolysei ena atomo kai kati kai qa meinoyn 50 ergazomenoi. Ara, qa paei sthn kathgoria poy mporei na kanei apolyseis xwris periorismo@

REPPAS: Den einai etsi, giati kaqe epixeirhsh exei sygkekrimena stoixeia ta opoia th synodeyoyn. An oi epixeirhseis mporoysan na metapiptoyn apo th mia kathgoria sthn allh, xrhsimopoiwntas tetoioy eidoys ``texnasmata'', antilambaneste pws den qa eixame mia safh eikona gia th leitoyrgia toys.

FILHS: Den symbainei ayto, shmera;

REPPAS: Oxi, den symbainei. Dioti kapoios mporei na exei mia epixeirhsh, na th ``spaei'' se diafora tmhmata kai kaqena na apasxolei, to poly, 50 ergazomenoys kai na ypagetai se allo kaqestws. Den qa exoyme mia safh eikona gia tis epixeirhseis sthn agora. Den symbainei ayto.

FILHS: Shmera, anakoinwsate to deytero proswpo sth nea katastash toy 2004, ton k. Synadino, o opoios kata symptwsh anhkei ston kyklo twn proswpwn, poy mazi me thn ka. Aggelopoyloy eixan ergastei gia thn ypochfiothta...

REPPAS: To eipa sthn arxh.

FILHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ayto den apotelei mia omologia, mia paradoxh ek meroys ths kybernhshs -rwtw ws aplos poliths perissotero kai ligotero ws dhmosiografos- oti h epilogh poy egine pro dietias me to allo hgetiko sxhma htan mia epilogh h opoia paragnwrize thn pragmatikothta;

REPPAS: H epilogh apotelei ekdhlwsh toy endiaferontos ths kybernhshs na epitaxynoyme tis prospaqeies mas kai na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi. Ayto den shmainei apotyxia. Den omologoyme kati tetoio. Gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h dieqnhs empeiria. Se alles poleis poy diorganwqhkan Olympiakoi Agwnes, eixame allagh toy dieyqyntikoy sxhmatos para polles fores. Se kapoies periptwseis panw apo deka fores. Epeidh polla problhmata prokyptoyn, kaqws kaqe polh, kaqe fora, proetoimazetai, qa prepei na exoyme mia eyelijia. Ara, loipon, einai ekdhlwsh endiaferontos, na eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi kai den synista omologia apotyxias.

FILHS: Eipate oti eixame dyo proswpa koryfaia, prin apo dyo xronia, ta opoia kerdisan thn Olympiada. Den ta ajiopoieite sthn Organwtikh Epitroph. Twra, meta thn pareleysh peripoy dyo etwn toys lete, elate jana eseis. Ayth ti omologia einai;

REPPAS: Einai ekdhlwsh toy endiaferontos mas na paroyme metra, prokeimenoy na epitaxynoyme tis diadikasies kai na eimaste perissotero etoimoi th dedomenh stigmh. Exoyme kaqysterhseis. Exoyme pei ki emeis oti se polloys tomeis den exoyme petyxei tis epidoseis poy qa qelame. Alla ayto den synista omologia apotyxias. Einai kati teleiws diaforetiko. Giati pantote legame, leme kai qa leme, oti h xwra mas qa einai etoimh, thn katallhlh stigmh, na diorganwsei mia artia Olympiada, pragma to opoio allwste qa apodeixqei kai sthn prajh. Martyres aytoy qa eisaste kai eseis oi idioi. Den einai kati to opoio mporoyme na krycoyme. Ara, loipon, as mhn probainoyme se tetoioy eidoys kathgories, xwris logo, ayth thn wra.

Sas eyxaristw.

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