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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Maioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Ayth thn wra diejagontai synomilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths ellhnikhs antiproswpeias me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths filhs xwras ths Tsexias k. Zeman poy episkeptetai thn Ellada. Qa akoloyqhsei geyma, enw qa ginoyn kai dhlwseis apo toys dyo Prwqypoyrgoys. Gnwrizete oti h Tsexia einai mia ek twn xwrwn toy prwtoy kykloy twn xwrwn ths Kentrikhs-Anatolikhs Eyrwphs, poy qa entaxqoyn sthn E.E. Gnwrizete poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Mas endiaferei idiaitera to qema ths dieyrynshs ths E.E. epeidh exoyme to eidiko endiaferon gia thn entajh ths Kyproy. Oi sxeseis me thn Tsexia briskontai se poly kalo epipedo. Pisteyoyme oti meta tis shmerines synomilies oi sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn qa ginoyn poly pio stenes kai h synergasia mas qa prowqhqei peraiterw.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Ta osa o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse, xqes, sth Boylh gia to qema ths anagrafhs toy qrhskeymatos stis taytothtes einai adiapragmateyth qesh ths kybernhshs h meta to salo poy exei dhmioyrghqei stoys kolpoys ths Ekklhsias gi` ayth th qesh kai tis apeiles peri kommatwn, peri syllalhthriwn k.lp. eiste diateqeimenoi na syzhthsete ton tropo efarmoghs toy nomoy kai mesw aytoy thn oysia;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei ypoxrewsh prwth ayth na efarmozei toys nomoys toy kratoys. Ara, loipon, o nomos toy kratoys qa efarmostei afoy oloklhrwqoyn oi typikes, oi dioikhtikes diadikasies poy problepontai, wste ta organa twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn poy einai entetalmena gia to sygkekrimeno skopo na mporoyn na feroyn se peras me epityxia to ergo poy toys exei anateqei. Prepei na pw, omws, oti to qema poy syzhtoyme den exei ayth th diastash, dhladh den afora tis sxeseis kybernhshs kai Ekklhsias. Kai ayto, giati den afora thn taytothta monon. Afora kaqe dhmosio eggrafo kai thn taytothta. Den afora to qrhskeyma monon, afora kaqe eyaisqhto, opws to kaloyme, dedomeno, metajy twn opoiwn kai to qrhskeyma. Kai anaferomai, bebaiws, se stoixeia ta opoia sxetizontai me tis proswpikes pepoiqhseis kai ta fronhmata twn politwn. Ayta apo to nomo toy 1997 qewroyntai eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena kai prepei na perifroyroyntai. Ara, loipon, ola ayta ta stoixeia, opws leei o nomos -kai o nomos aytos tygxanei twra efarmoghs- den dieykolynoyn se kati, giati den xreiazontai, afoy den exoyn kamia sxesh me ta dhmosia eggrafa ta opoia xrhsimopoioyntai, prokeimenoy na ejyphreteitai kaqe poliths stis synallages toy me tis dhmosies yphresies, me to kratos. Gi` ayto akribws ta stoixeia ayta poy aforoyn proswpikes pepoiqhseis kai fronhmata den prepei na perilambanontai se tetoioy eidoys dhmosia eggrafa, opws einai kai h taytothta.

MIXAHL: Eseis mporei san kybernhsh pragmatika na mh qelete na dwsete ayth th diastash antiparaqeshs kybernhshs kai Ekklhsias. Omws, h Ekklhsia dia diaforwn ekfrastwn ths, epishmwn h oxi, ayto qa mas to pei h idia oson oypw, qewrei oti einai casus belli h istoria ayth. Kai malista endexomenws ki eseis na akoysate Mhtropolites na milane gia idrysh kommatos. Kai, epishs, to gegonos oti me ayton ton tropo plhttetai h qrhskeia kai sygkekrimena h Orqodojia sthn Ellada. Blepete shmera dhmosieymata poy aforoyn polemo kybernhshs-Orqodojias. Ola ayta pws ta ermhneyete;

REPPAS: H parallhlh poreia, diaxronika, ths Politeias me thn Ekklhsia pisteyw oti apotelei thn poly kalh bash, wste oi sxeseis twra kai sto mellon na parameinoyn to idio kales. Emeis den epiqymoyme antiparaqesh. Den miloyme gia ojynsh stis sxeseis Ekklhsias kai Politeias. Poly perissotero poy gnwrizete oti qemata koinoy endiaferontos antimetwpizontai apo tis dyo pleyres me th boylhsh na prokycoyn oi kalyteres dynates lyseis. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, kaqenas einai eleyqeros na ekfrazetai me ton tropo poy ekeinos epilegei. Pantote, omws, sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn kai toy sebasmoy twn dikaiwmatwn twn sympolitwn toy. Den qa ypobaloyme emeis ton tropo me ton opoio kapoios qa askei nomimws ta kaqhkonta toy, metajy twn allwn qa ekdhlwnei ta fronhmata toy. Ayto to opoio qa kanoyme einai na perifroyrhsoyme tis leitoyrgies ths Politeias, toy kratoys, etsi wste oloi oi polites na mporoyn eleyqera na dhlwnoyn tis apoceis toys, xwris kanenan periorismo, alla pantote qa elegxontai gia to an ayto ginetai sto plaisio toy yfistamenoy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Kai prepei na sas pw oti oi ekdhlwseis oi opoies xarakthrizontai apo fanatismo kai misallodojia den exoyn kamia sxesh, den synadoyn, oyte prosidiazoyn se mia wrimh koinwnia, opws pisteyw -ki eseis to dexeste nomizw- oti einai h ellhnikh koinwnia, h opoia exei na antimetwpisei kai na lysei polla koinwnika problhmata. Ston tomea ayto qa prepei na afosiwqoyme, prokeimenoy na beltiwsoyme th zwh twn politwn, xwris @epanalambanw- na odhgoymeqa se sxhmata kai diaireseis poy den exoyn kamia sxesh kai me to mhnyma ths Orqodojhs Ekklhsias. Ekklhsia eimaste oloi.

FILHS: Pws ektimate thn kat` arxhn stash ths poimenoysas Ekklhsias, apenanti sthn ejaggelia toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: H dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai synexeia ths ryqmishs poy egine apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn, edw kai liga xronia. H Ekklhsia einai ayth, h opoia qa apofasisei gia th dikh ths stash. Den qa epibaloyme emeis se opoiondhpote ti einai ayto to opoio nomizei ekeinos oti prepei na kanei. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti qa yparjei nhfaliothta, aytosygkrathsh, hremos kai politismenos tropos proseggishs toy opoioy qematos prokyptei kai mesa se ena tetoio plaisio qa antimetwpisoyme qemata koinoy endiaferontos ta opoia ontws yparxoyn.

FILHS: Exete eseis th dynatothta, shmera, na prosdiorisete safestera thn ennoia toy eylogoy xronoy entos toy opoioy qa ekdoqoyn oi anagkaies egkyklioi gia thn efarmogh toy nomoy;

REPPAS: Einai prowro kapoios na prosdiorisei sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. To megeqos, omws, toy eylogoy xronoy mporei na pei kapoios oti afora hmeres h mhnes kai den afora xronia. Pantws, oi armodies yphresies exoyn hdh epilhfqei toy qematos. Exoyn jekinhsei oi sxetikes dioikhtikes diadikasies, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyme se plhrh efarmogh toy nomoy poy exei chfistei apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

FILHS: H Anejarthth Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn sthn apofash ths, poy kateqese xqes sth Boylh o Prwqypoyrgos, anaferei oti ena apo ta eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena poy den prepei na syllegetai apo tis kratikes yphresies einai ayto poy afora to genos. Me bash ayto to proswpiko dedomeno exei afaireqei h iqageneia apo xiliades Ellhnes polites meta to B@ Pagkosmio Polemo kai sygkekrimena ennow toys slabomakedones sth Makedonia. Me th ryqmish ayth poy proteinei twra h Epitroph Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, mhpws antimetwpizetai se nea bash kai to qema ths iqageneias twn slabomakedonwn;

REPPAS: Mporei na fainetai paremferes, alla den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Gnwrizete oti den yparxei anadromikh isxys nomoy. Apo ekei kai pera, to qema to opoio antimetwpizei o sygkekrimenos nomos toy 1997 afora, kai monon ayto, thn perifroyrhsh twn legomenwn eyaisqhtwn proswpikwn dedomenwn. Den afora tipote allo.

FILHS: Qa eimaste se ena diasthma, den jerw gia poso, poy qa isxyoyn oi mple palies taytothtes me to qrhskeyma kai oi kainoyrgies, ocepote typwqoyn mple, xwris to qrhskeyma. To erwthma einai: Giati h kybernhsh den prostateyei kai toys ypoloipoys Ellhnes polites, dhladh th megalh kathgoria twn Ellhnwn politwn poy exoyn anagrammeno to qrhskeyma, ena proswpiko dedomeno, sthn taytothta toys kai den proxwrei sth stadiakh antikatastash twn taytothtwn aytwn; Den einai paranomh h synyparjh kai twn dyo taytothtwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o typos taytothtas, o opoios ekdidetai shmera, prokeimenoy na allajei qa prepei na yparjei mia proetoimasia stis armodies yphresies kai h allagh ayth, metajy twn allwn, synepagetai kai sxetika ychlo oikonomiko kostos. Kata ta alla, o typos taytothtas poy qa ekdidetai, symfwna pleon me th diatajh poy perilambanetai sto nomo poy chfise h Boylh twn Ellhnwn, qa einai idios kata ta ejwterika gnwrismata me ton typo taytothtas poy diaqetoyme kai shmera. Apla, den qa symplhrwnontai h den qa anaferontai ta stoixeia ekeina ta opoia aforoyn ta eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena, stoixeia ta opoia einai symplhrwmena, me analogo tropo, stis taytothtes poy exoyn ekdoqei kai xrhsimopoioyntai shmera apo emas. Opoios poliths epiqymei, gia diaforoys logoys, na ekdwsei nea taytothta mporei na ypobalei sxetikh aithsh kai qa exei mia nea taytothta, h opoia qa perilambanei ola ta stoixeia ekeina poy einai aparaithta gia tis synallages toy me to kratos kai den qa perilambanei, bebaiws, ta legomena eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena.

FILHS: Dhladh, mas lete, einai proairetikh h efarmogh toy nomoy.

REPPAS: Eipa oti yparxoyn qemata poy exoyn sxesh me to kostos ekdoshs enos neoy typoy taytothtas. Apo ekei kai pera, eseis ean exete kapoio logo, epeidh exete xasei thn taytothta sas, epeidh allaje h oikogeneiakh katastash sas, giati pantreythkate, epeidh akribws den exete isws mexri twra gia polloys logoys taytothta kai prepei na ekdwsete taytothta, h taytothta meta thn aithsh poy qa ypobalete den qa periexei ta legomena eyaisqhta proswpika dedomena.

FILHS: Mporw na zhthsw thn akyrwsh ths taytothtas moy;

REPPAS: Den problepetai tetoia diadikasia apo to nomo. Gnwrizete poly kala, omws, oti yparxei tropos na zhthsete thn ekdosh neas taytothtas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixate pei, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oti qa yparjei dialogos. Me poion qa kanei dialogo h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola -gia na einai safhs h dikh mas qesh, opws panta htan, alla kai gia na einai to idio safhs kai eyqys kai o tropos me ton opoio h qesh mas metaferetai pros thn koinh gnwmh- qa moy epitrecete na sas ypenqymisw th dhlwsh poy ekana thn prwth kiolas hmera, otan teqhke to qema. Einai sth diaqesh sas h dhlwsh moy ekeinh. Metajy twn allwn, anaferqhka sto qema ths anagrafhs toy qrhskeymatos stis taytothtes kai eipa oti edw yparxei ena problhma, to opoio prepei na antimetwpisoyme, meta thn chfish toy nomoy toy 1997. Ayto paraleifqhke. Den eida na metaferetai sthn koinh gnwmh. Epishs, xarakthrisa tis apoceis toy k. Staqopoyloy, apoceis oi opoies deixnoyn oti diapneetai apo sebasmo pros ta atomika dikaiwmata twn politwn. Ayta den metaferqhkan. Pisteyw, loipon, pws prepei, tetoioy eidoys qemata, ta opoia prokaloyn entaseis, xwris na yparxei pantote o analoghs barythtas logos gia tetoioy eidoys entaseis, na ta antimetwpizoyme me poly megalh prosoxh. Eipa, epishs, oti exoyme chfisei ena nomo, to yfistameno nomiko plaisio isxyei, h qesh mas paramenei ayth. Den protiqemeqa na to allajoyme. Hmoyn safhs kai ws pros ayto. Ayto to nomiko plaisio efarmozetai. Kai eipa, akomh, oti gia ta synafh qemata, profanws qa ginei dialogos. Synafh qemata yparxoyn. Molis prin, milhsa gia qemata koinoy endiaferontos. Yparxei, gia paradeigma, to qema poy afora thn ekklhsiastikh ekpaideysh, thn allagh toy tropoy aponomhs ekklhsiastikhs dikaiosynhs, to anaptyjiako ergo ths Ekklhsias. Ola ayta, einai qemata -kai paradeigmatika emeina se kapoia apo to synolo toys- ta opoia apasxoloyn thn Politeia kai thn Ekklhsia se ena dialogo, o opoios einai diarkhs. H epikoinwnia ayth yphrxe, yparxei kai qa yparxei pantote. Giati einai pros to symferon ths Ekklhsias, alla kai ths Politeias, aytes oi sxeseis na parameinoyn adiataraktes. Einai kati poy endiaferei kai emas, idiaiterws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Emeis syzhtoysame gia tis taytothtes kai eipate gia dialogo. Den syzhtoysame, oyte gia ekklhsiastikh ekpaideysh, oyte tipote allo. Meta th xqesinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me poion qa kanei dialogo;

REPPAS: Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy ekana. Hmoyn pantote safhs sta osa elega.

MPOTWNHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh dhlwseis stelexwn toy PASOK, opws toy k. Papaqemelh, alla kai ths N.D. poy eipan oti ayto to qema eprepe na exei teqei prin apo tis ekloges;

REPPAS: Oles oi apoceis einai sebastes. Ayto einai stoixeio ths dhmokratias mas.

SOYRMELH: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th xqesinh bebhlwsh toy spitioy ths Melinas Merkoyrhs kai toy Zil Ntassen, me antishmitika synqhmata;

REPPAS: Tetoies energeies tis katadikazoyme. Apoteloyn prosbolh gia thn Ellada. Oxi gia kapoio proswpo. Oxi gia kapoion, o opoios exei mia sygkekrimenh katagwgh. Oxi gia ena sympolith mas. Tetoies energeies einai prosbolh gia thn Ellada, gia oloys toys Ellhnes.

SOYRMELH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean prokeitai na yparjei kapoia apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h dikh sas se ena gramma poy apesteile o Synaspismos twn Eleyqerwn Eyrwpaiwn Prasinwn toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy, poy zhta thn anagnwrish ths makedonikhs glwssas kai thn entajh ths sto ekpaideytiko programma ths Boreias Elladas. Ayto estalh stis 3 Maioy.

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh den antimetwpizei tetoio qema.

KARELIAS: Mporeite na mas peite, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs sthn apofash toy k. Lints na apagoreysei th diakinhsh ths efhmeridas ``Kaqhmerinhs'' stoys epibates ths O.A.;

REPPAS: Xairomai, giati moy qetete ayto to erwthma. Qelw dhmosiws na sygxarw, gia thn eyaisqhsia toy, ton Proedro toy D.S. ths O.A. k. Zygogiannh -o opoios, xqes to prwi, me enhmerwse gia ayto to qema- giati h antidrash toy htan amesh. Edwse entolh stis yphresies ths O.A. h efhmerida ``Kaqhmerinh'' na symperilambanetai, opws pantote, mazi me tis alles efhmerides, sto legomeno ``swma toy Typoy'', poy dianemetai stoys epibates ths O.A. Den einai dynato na epiblhqei tetoios periorismos. Einai adianohto na lambanontai tetoies apofaseis. Kai prepei na pw oti tetoia entolh, para to oti pragmati doqhke, den efarmosthke oyte gia mia mera. Xarh kai sto endiaferon toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Xrhstoy Berelh to qema antimetwpisthke en th genesei toy kai etsi den yphrje opoiadhpote diatarajh ths omalhs dianomhs ths ``Kaqhmerinhs'', mazi me tis alles efhmerides, stoys epibates ths O.A. Htan aparadekth ayth h prwtoboylia.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti o k. Lints dinei th sygkekrimenh entolh thn opoia katopin parembashs toy k. Zygogiannh, oi yphresies ths O.A. den thn efarmozoyn. To gegonos oti sysswmoi oi ergazomenoi sthn O.A. ton kathgoroyn oti oysiastika apefyge enamish xrono na eksygxronisei h na ejygianei thn etairia, ayjhqhkan ta elleimmata k.t.l. Mhpws, loipon, h kybernhsh skeptetai na epanejetasei synolika th symfwnia ths me toys manatzer Bretanoys;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti exei ginei mia symfwnia. Exoyn analhfqei amoibaiws sygkekrimenes desmeyseis. Ola ayta qa ejetastoyn thn katallhlh stigmh kai qa lhfqoyn oi sxetikes apofaseis gia to kalo ths O.A.

Sas eyxaristw.

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