Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-03-28

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 28 Martioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPHRESIAKO YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS ARGYRH FATOYRO

Kalh sas hmera.

Eisagwgikws, qa hqela na sas anaferw, se synexeia kai mias erwthshs poy egine xqes, oti h Ellhnikh Proedria stelnei shmera @den exoyn stalei akomh, alla qa apostaloyn- ta sygxarhthria ths sto neo Proedro ths Rwsikhs Omospondias.

Qa hqela, epishs, na sas enhmerwsw oti, kata pasa piqanothta, mexri to telos ayths ths ebdomadas, qa epanasynelqei h Diakommatikh Epitroph, ayth th fora me toys ekproswpoys kai twn ektos Koinoboylioy kommatwn. Poia einai ayta, qa diapistwqei apo tis ypochfiothtes poy exoyn ypoblhqei. Alla h olh diadikasia gia th epishmansh toys einai se ejelijh. To Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn pisteyei pws mexri to Sabbato, piqanotata, qa exoyn ola ayta jekaqarisei. Ta kommata qa exoyn diorisei toys ekproswpoys toys kai qa ginei h syskech ths Diakommatikhs, wste na ginei kai h dianomh xronoy k.lp. sta kommata ayta.

Ayta apo meroys moy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

BITALHS: Na epanelqoyme sto qema toy dhmosieymatos ths toyrkikhs efhmeridas Sampax. Mhpws, yphrje tis teleytaies wres kapoia epishmh epikoinwnia ths ellhnikhs pleyras, toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me kapoion paragonta ths toyrkikhs pleyras, gia na aposafhnistoyn zhthmata poy teqhkan me to dhmosieyma;

FATOYROS: Ap` o,ti jerw, oxi. To qema einai oti ayth h kaqysterhsh dieykrinishs, h opoia den barynei thn ellhnikh pleyra, einai kai ayth kaqeayth, an qelete, endiaferoysa. Shmera to prwi, nomizw, oti egine sto radiofwno kapoia erwthsh ston Prwqypoyrgo panw se ayto to qema kai eipe oti h praktikh ayth einai aparadekth kai xarakthristikh aytarxikwn kaqestwtwn. Den einai, omws, akoma safes poies akribws einai oi sxetikes energeies twn toyrkikwn arxwn. Prokeitai, bebaia, gia mia aparadekth taktikh, mia energeia mh filikh, oxi mono pros thn Ellada, alla kai pros tis alles xwres gia tis opoies to exei prajei. Giati, edw den exoyme na kanoyme me apagoreysh mias kathgorias proswpwn, as poyme, poy gia kapoio logo den toys epitrepetai na eiselqoyn sth xwra, alla exoyme na kanoyme me epilogh proswpikothtwn, proswpwn poy exoyn politikh drash. Milaw me bash tis plhrofories poy exoyme, dhladh, ton katalogo opws yparxei. Ton akribh xarakthra toy, elpizoyme oti kapote, arga h grhgora, qa ta maqoyme.

BITSENTZOY: Gnwrizete ean h xwra mas diathrei lista anepiqymhtwn proswpwn, enanti politwn sta boreia synora mas h enanti Toyrkwn kai, epishs, nomimopoieitai ena kratos na diaqetei tetoies listes; Ta alla eyrwpaika krath h to amerikaniko kratos exoyn listes anepiqymhtwn proswpwn kai gia poioys logoys;

FATOYROS: Tetoioys eidoys apagoreyseis eisodoy yparxoyn se oles tis xwres ws pros kathgories proswpwn p.x. egklhmaties, anqrwpoys katadikasmenoys gia emporia narkwtikwn k.t.l. Lew tis eykoles periptwseis. H diafora me bash thn eidhseografikh -ayth th stigmh- plhroforhsh gia ton perifhmo katalogo poy milame einai oti prokeitai gia epilogh sygkekrimenwn proswpwn kai dh politika energwn proswpwn. Oi misoi, an den kanw laqos, einai boyleytes.

BITSENTZOY: Nai, alla syndeontai me thn istoria toy Otsalan; Poy gia thn Toyrkia einai mia politikh aposxistikh. Gi ayto sas lew, nomimopoieitai ena kratos@

FATOYROS: Den eimai sigoyros oti oles oi periptwseis, pera apo tis ellhnikes, exoyn na kanoyn me to Koyrdiko kai mono. Nomizw oti einai diafores kathgories anepiqymhtwn. Bebaiws, ena kratos exei to dikaiwma na empodisei thn eisodo sto edafos toy opoioydhpote allodapoy sto baqmo poy ayto den parabiazei sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis poy exei analabei. Ej oy kai eipa prohgoymenws oti prokeitai gia mh filikh xeironomia. Yparxei mia basikh diakrish, anamesa se parabiash toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy h paranomh prajh h energeia kai mh filikh xeironomia. Apo ekei kai pera, ekei einai poy to periexomeno ths apagoreyshs exei shmasia kai gi ayto par` oti moiazei na kaqysterei h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai aparaithtes oi leptomereies. Exei shmasia gia to an prokeitai gia mia apagoreysh poy me a@h ton b@ tropo exei perilabei diaforoys anqrwpoys h an prokeitai gia mia alloy eidoys energeia. Ekei einai poy h leptomereia exei shmasia. Einai ayto poy leme ``o diabolos krybetai sthn leptomereia''.

BITSENTZOY: H efhmerida ``SAMPAX'' anaferei oti qeloyn eidikh adeia ayta ta atoma.

FATOYROS: To oti yparxei apagoreysh, qa shmainei, dhladh, oti mporoyn na mpoyn se periptwsh poy toys afhsoyn. Apo kei kai pera -gi ayto epimenoyme na jeroyme poia einai h typikh fysh aytwn twn apagoreysewn- den jerw kan an prokeitai gia lista.

BITSENTZOY: H Ellada qewrei anepiqymhtoys mono poinikoys, dhladh, egklhmaties, laqremporoys narkwtikwn k.lp.; Gia poinikoys mono diathrei tetoia lista;

FATOYROS: Den nomizw. Nomizw oti yparxoyn kai alles kathgories.

BITALHS: Milhsate prohgoymenws, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti yparxei mia kaqysterhsh stis dieykriniseis poy prepei na doqoyn gi ayth th lista, h opoia den barynei thn ellhnikh pleyra, htan xarakthristiko, opws to eipate. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Mexri poy nomizete oti mporei na fqasei h diadikasia; Dhladh, exoyme ena xronodiagramma mesa sto opoio qa prepei h Agkyra na dwsei kapoies dieykriniseis gi aythn th lista; Ean den tis dwsei se ayto to eylogo xroniko diasthma, protiqetai h ellhnikh pleyra na parei kapoia prwtoboylia kai pros thn E.E. h kai na diamartyrhqei epishma;

FATOYROS: Apo thn enhmerwsh poy exw, h kybernhsh protiqetai na qesei to qema sthn E.E. Alla ayto, bebaia, den einai amesh energeia, mia kai qa teqei sto epomeno Symboylio, to opoio qa synelqei se deka hmeres. Prokeitai gia mia mh filikh energeia. Mia diamartyria, ypoqetw, einai dynath. Alla, apo ekei kai pera, otan ena kratos askei mia armodiothta thn opoia exei, thn opoia kaneis den toy exei arnhqei, einai dyskolo ena allo kratos na pei ``giati thn askeis''. Mporei na pei ``giati thn askeis sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, gi` aytoys toys anqrwpoys, gia mena''. Me sygxwreite, an moiazw yperbolika typolatrhs, alla se ayta ta pragmata to typiko einai oysiastiko.

BITSENTZOY: Gnwrizete an alla eyrwpaika krath diamartyrhqhkan gia th lista, poy symperilambanei epishs boyleytes toys; As poyme, diabasa oti apo th Boylh twn Lordwn einai enas Agglos boyleyths@

FATOYROS: Einai arketoi Aggloi boyleytes. Oxi mono apo th Boylh twn Lordwn, alla kai apo th Boylh twn Koinothtwn, oi opoioi, synhqws, einai pio entonoi.

BITSENTZOY: Diamartyrhqhke kaneis;

FATOYROS: Den exw dei na yparxei diamartyria. Alla h sxetikh eidhseografia, opws jerete, den kalyptei ola, alla nomizw oti qa eixame thn plhroforhsh ean eixe yparjei kapoia tetoia diamartyria.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite, epishma, ws kybernhsh, h Ellada ti qa kanei;

FATOYROS: Ayto to exei pei, hdh, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Ti perissotero na sas pw; To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn exei pei oti qa teqei to qema sthn E.E.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs mhpws aisqanetai thn anagkh na paraithqei, meta ta osa exoyn symbei to teleytaio kairo, opws einai h epiqesh enantion kapoiwn kommatikwn stelexwn toy KKE, ston Pyrgo kai o fonos enos nearoy 18 etwn apo astynomika organa;

FATOYROS: Sthn prwth periptwsh, opws legame edw kai dyo hmeres, oi Astynomikes kai Dikastikes Arxes exoyn, hdh, epilhfqei toy qematos. Sthn deyterh periptwsh, epishs, exoyn epilhfqei oi Dikastikes Arxes kai malista me poly entonh energeia. Twra pali qa to rijw sta ``daskalistika'' kai na me sygxwreite@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenh apo aytes tis@

FATOYROS: Oxi, alla h parabiash kapoiwn kanonwn, to oti ginontai pragmata ta opoia den prepei na ginoyn, den shmainei oti den leitoyrgei to Dikaio. To Dikaio leitoyrgei, antidrwntas stis parabiaseis toy. Ean den yphrxe parabiash toy Dikaioy, den qa yphrxe logos yparjhs toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs. Tote qa eprepe na paraithqei o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, epeidh den qa yphrxe periptwsh na parabiastei to Dikaio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, prepei na toys bazoyn na parabiazoyn gia na yparxei ypoyrgos;

FATOYROS: Ayto, an qelete, gia na brei logo yparjhs ena ypoyrgeio, qa htan enas logos, alla moy fainetai ligo parakindyneymeno.

FILHS: Gia to gegonos poy anefere kai o synadelfos nwritera, gia to fono, mallon gia th dolofonia, giati gia dolo milaei o eisaggeleas, gia endexomeno doloy toy 18xronoy apo astynomo, hqela na rwthsw, ean problhmatizei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti ypo to kalymma ths eleyqerias twn kommatwn na diatypwnoyn tis qeseis toys kata thn proeklogikh periodo -poy einai ena apolyta sebasto dikaiwma- exei gemisei h thleorash apo jenofobikes politikes diafhmiseis. Kai ayto, einai ena klima to opoio, den mporw na pw oti yparxei hqikh aytoyrgia bebaiws, einai ena klima omws poy, kata kapoio tropo, sprwxnei eykola to xeri sto oplo. Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh ayto to pragma;

FATOYROS: H kybernhsh problhmatizetai se kaqe periptwsh poy oi energeies astynomikwn, oi energeies organwn ths Tajhs, den einai acoges. Sthn kalyterh periptwsh, yparxoyn problhmata cyxraimias, yparxoyn problhmata ekpaideyshs, yparxoyn, an qelete, problhmata tropoy antimetwpishs. Oi astynomikoi exoyn ws ergo, akribws, na mporoyn na xeiristoyn katastaseis ektropwn, diataraxhs. Einai dyskolo kai epikindyno ergo, opws oloi jeroyme. H doyleia toys den einai aplws na paristantai se eortes kai parelaseis. Gi` ayto to logo, xreiazetai mia ekpaideysh, xreiazetai mia dynatothta, wste na mporoyn na antapokriqoyn swsta. Kai exw thn entypwsh -ayto den mporw na sas to sthrijw, twra, me statistika dedomena- oti exei beltiwqei h ikanothta twn astynomikwn organwn na antimetwpizoyn, xwris na yperantidroyn. Twra, apo ekei kai pera, kaqe yperbolikh emfash sthn egklhmatikothta twn ``allodapwn''. Einai allo qema. Kata prwto logo, den prokeitai gia allodapo, prokeitai gia omogenh, Ellhna dhladh. H Ellada dexetai oti o omogenhs einai Ellhnas. Ektos an yparxei mia nea diatypwsh toy ti einai h ellhnikh iqageneia kai ti einai to ellhniko eqnos. Qa prepei ayto to pragma na jekaqaristei. H yperbolikh emfash sto oti h egklhmatikothta taxa ofeiletai stoys allodapoys, einai problhmatikh. Dioti oi statistikes den lene ayto to pragma. H Ellada den exei ychlh egklhmatikothta. Exei, sth xeiroterh periptwsh, mia ayjhsh ths egklhmatikothtas. Alla, ayto den shmainei oti h synolikh egklhmatikothta einai ychlh. Ara, kai to pososto egklhmatikothtas twn allodapwn -kai milaw pia gia allodapoys- einai periorismeno. Yparxei kai ayto kai einai, an qelete, koinwniologika profanes. Den einai oi ploysioi katoikoi twn boreiwn proastiwn, oi opoioi qa proboyn se diarrhjeis h se klopes. Alla, apo ekei kai pera, yparxei ena problhma sthn eikona poy exoyme ths xwras mas. An qeloyme na einai mia xwra poy antimetwpizei oloys toys anqrwpoys ws anqrwpina onta, ta opoia dikaioyntai kapoioy epipedoy metaxeirishs. Einai problhma, einai kainoyrgio fainomeno gia mas. Ayto einai to qema. Ayta ta fainomena ta eixa antimetwpisei, otan hmoyn neos, stis HPA, opoy yphrxe ayth h logikh ths egklhmatikothtas twn allodapwn h twn ``egxrwmwn'', opws toys elegan tote. H Ellada antimetwpizei gia prwth fora fainomena metanasteyshs pros thn Ellada kai oxi apo thn Ellada kai den exoyn akoma oi antilhceis mas kai oi symperifores mas jekaqarisei teleiws, panw se ayto to problhma. Einai poly dyskolo, alla kai poly kentriko problhma ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, shmera. Den qelw na proxwrhsw parapera.

Sas eyxaristw.

H epomenh politikh enhmerwsh qa ginei meqayrio, Pempth (30/3/2000).

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