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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Febroyarioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete na pw, me aformh shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma efhmeridas, to opoio eixe ginei kai palaiotera kai afora thn apaithsh apo to IKA katabolhs anadromikws eisforwn, oti tetoio qema den tiqetai. Me to N. 2676, o opoios isxyei apo thn 5/1/1999, exei dhmioyrghqei plaisio, entos toy opoioy oi endiaferomenoi klhqhkan na ejoflhsoyn ypoxrewseis poy eixan pros to IKA me poly eynoikoys oroys. Apallaxqhkan apo tis prosayjhseis kai ta prostima se pososto 80% kai pleon. To qema ayto to exoyn antimetwpisei oloi oi endiaferomenoi se olh thn Ellada, ektos dyo perioxwn. Ara, qa prepei na antapokriqoyn sthn ypoxrewsh toys oi polites kai se aytes tis dyo perioxes ths xwras. Kakws dinetai h entypwsh oti to problhma ayto einai qema poy afora oloys toys Ellhnes se olh thn Ellada, giati oi polites poy exoyn synallages me to IKA einai ekatontades xiliades h kai ekatommyria kai den prepei na afhsoyme na planatai ayth h entypwsh. Tetoio qema, loipon, den yfistatai, toylaxiston, etsi opws paroysiazetai.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Mias kai anaferqhkate sto IKA, xqes, sto IKA Kalliqeas, poy to episkefqhke o k. Karamanlhs, zhthse, metajy twn allwn, thn ejiswsh twn misqwn twn giatrwn toy IKA me tis apodoxes twn giatrwn toy ESY. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs ep` aytoy;

REPPAS: Ayto apodeiknyei me peritrano tropo oti o k. Karamanlhs agnoei tis synqhkes katw apo tis opoies epilegontai, diorizontai kai ergazontai oi giatroi sto ESY kai oi giatroi sto IKA. Gnwrizete oti oi giatroi sto ESY einai plhroys kai apokleistikhs apasxolhshs, kata kyrio logo, enw sto IKA oi giatroi exoyn symbaseis me ton Organismo ayto kai diathroyn parallhlws ta iatreia toys. Apasxoloyntai poly liges wres kaqe hmera sto IKA, enw oi giatroi sto ESY exoyn plhres wrario. Epishs, gnwrizete oti oi giatroi poy diorizontai sto ESY epilegontai me diagwnistikes diadikasies, mesw twn symboyliwn krishs epiloghs proswpikoy nosokomeiwn, enw oi idiwtes giatroi poy synaptoyn symbaseis me to IKA den ypokeintai se analoges diagwnistikes diadikasies kai elegxoys. Se teleytaia analysh, qymizw -kai edw fainetai h ypokrisia ths N.D. kai ths hgesias ths- oti molis prosfata egine syzhthsh, me protash ths kybernhshs, gia th nomimopoihsh ergazomenwn symbasioyxwn giatrwn sto IKA, poy exoyn symplhrwsei toylaxiston oktw xronia yphresias sto Idryma. H N.D., me th gnwsth stash ths hgesias ths, poy anakalese thn arxikh symfwnia ths pros mia tetoia ryqmish, empodise na proxwrhsoyme sth monimopoihsh aytoy toy proswpikoy. Kai twra, o k. Karamanlhs zhta th monimopoihsh olwn twn apasxoloymenwn sto IKA iatrwn. An ginotan ayto kai an dinontan oi apodoxes poy exoyn oi giatroi toy ESY, den qa efqane enas proypologismos toy kratoys gia na kalycei ayth thn anagkh. Alla einai idion, nomizw, toy k. Karamanlh, thn teleytaia periodo na proxwra se paroxes. Me alogisto tropo moirazei epitages xwris antikrisma. Pisteyei o idios oti den prokeitai na ekteqei, giati den qa klhqei meta tis ekloges na efarmosei ayta ta opoia yposxetai. Ektiqetai, omws. Ektiqetai apo ton palaiokommatiko tropo me ton opoio politeyetai. Giati, mexri twra, me tis yposxeseis toy, exei moirasei dyo proypologismoys. Den jerw posoys qa moirasei akomh mexri tis ekloges. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia kai prepei na poyme einai oti qa mporoyse kapoios na ta kanei ayta prajh, alla qa eprepe, prwta ap` ola, na brei ta xrhmata. Epeidh ta xrhmata ayta den yparxoyn, me tis paroxes poy, toylaxiston mexri twra, exei ejaggeilei, qa odhgoyse se mia ayjhsh toy elleimmatos toy Dhmosioy, peripoy sto diplasio apo to epipedo sto opoio kymainetai shmera. Ayta einai prwtofanh pragmata. Alla, epeidh antilambanontai oloi oti oi ejaggelies aytes apoteloyn ``epitagh xwris antikrisma'', o k. Karamanlhs den qa katorqwsei na jegelasei toys polites. Einai adynaton, telika, aytes tis epitages xwris antikrisma poy moirazei, na tis ejargyrwsei me thn chfo, me thn empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy.

KAPPOS: Anejarthta me toys isxyrismoys poy yparxoyn gia th N.D., ennow se epipedo dhmoskophsewn poy eipate sthn arxh, yparxei kai kapoia allh diastash, kati ligotero apo enamish mhna prin tis ekloges. Proxeira lew, twn ergazomenwn poy apergoyn sth BIOMAT, symbasioyxwn kai allwn. Apo thn allh pleyra, yparxei kai to xarti toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Me bash olo ayto ton orizonta, poso mporei na aisiodojei h kybernhsh gia to apotelesma twn eklogwn;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh askei politikh, den paizei xartia. To Xrhmatisthrio exei th dikh toy aytonomh poreia. Den anamenoyme apo th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, oso qetikh ki an einai h ejelijh ths sto problepto mellon, na apokomisoyme politika ofelh. Einai kati poy den epidiwkoyme. Den endidoyme se enan tetoio peirasmo. Me thn eykairia, mporw na pw oti oi ejaggelies toy k. Karamanlh, oi paroxes stis opoies anaferetai me ayton ton aneyqyno tropo, ephreazoyn dysmenws thn poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, giati dhmioyrgoyn klima abebaiothtas.

Oson afora twra ta qemata sta opoia anaferqhkate, h kybernhsh me thn politikh tomwn poy akoloyqhse ta teleytaia xronia, breqhke kapoies fores apenanti se kritikes h se kinhtopoihseis ergazomenwn, poy asfalws apo th dikh toys pleyra exoyn to diko toys tropo na proseggizoyn ta pragmata. H kybernhsh, omws, qa prepei na yperaspistei to dhmosio symferon, to symferon toy koinwnikoy synoloy. Qewroyme oti o dialogos, otan einai apodotikos, apotelei thn kalyterh lysh. Se teleytaia analysh, omws, h kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia pairnei tis apofaseis kai krinetai gia aytes.

KAPPOS: Ayto to opoio parathreitai teleytaia oti, anti gia dialogo, oi ergazomenoi antimetwpizoyn kai astynomikh bia@

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti an xarakthrizei kati th xwra mas, ayto einai h yperbolh. Kai metajy twn allwn, gnwrizete poly kala oti omades politwn, poy diadhlwnoyn kai kinhtopoioyntai, syxnotata dhmioyrgoyn problhmata se alloys polites, oi opoioi epiqymoyn kai aytoi na askhsoyn ta dikaiwmata toys. Exoyn ki aytoi symferonta proswpika, epaggelmatika, ta opoia prepei na perifroyrhsoyme. Ara, askeitai ena eidos bias di` aytoy toy tropoy. Kata ta alla, ayth h kybernhsh exei empedwsei, pisteyw, ena klima dialogoy me oloys toys endiaferomenoys polites gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn toys. Ayto den shmainei, omws, oti sto plaisio toy koinwnikoy dialogoy, h kybernhsh payei na exei thn eyqynh gia th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Kai ayto epanalambanw, einai kati poy mas aneqese, ws kyrio kaqhkon, o ellhnikos laos.

KAPPOS: Epimenw sthn erwthsh. Den jerw an prokeitai gia yperbolh, giati egw proswpika, toylaxiston apo thn empeiria poy exw, mia diadhlwsh sthn Aqhna akoloyqeitai apo pollaplasies astynomikes dynameis. Den mporw na antilhfqw th logikh ayths ths taktikhs.

REPPAS: Dhladh, oi pollaplasies astynomikes dynameis, poy me thn paroysia toys ejasfalizoyn thn omalh roh twn drasthriothtwn se mia polh, einai kati to enoxlhtiko; Antiqeta. Asfalws, otan dynameis ths Astynomias ektrepontai apo to rolo toys, antimetwpizontai analogws. Omws, den exete paradeigmata na anaferete oti synebh kati tetoio. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw oti yparxei problhma, otan mikres omades sympolitwn mas, prokeimenoy na diekdikhsoyn th lysh twn aithmatwn toys, katafeygoyn se meqodoys poy ej antikeimenoy odhgoyn se parakwlysh ths epaggelmatikhs drasthriothtas allwn sympolitwn. Ayto einai ena pragmatiko problhma to opoio oloys mas apasxolei kai mas problhmatizei. Xwris na periorizoyme ta dhmokratika dikaiwmata twn politwn, kaloyme oloys toys polites na antilhfqoyn pws dhmokratika dikaiwmata exoyn kai oi sympolites toys.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Apo shmera to prwi, diejagetai mia apo tis legomenes epixeirhseis ``skoypa'', ston Ag. Stefano, sta boreia proastia ths Attikhs, k.t.l. Malista, o astynomikos dieyqynths Khfisias, erwthqeis apo dhmosiografoys, eipe enwpion toys, gia thn taktikh ths Astynomias shmera, ``eixame kalh sodeia''. Mias kai anaferqhkate se parektropes, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia to an tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis synistoyn parektroph kai epishs, na moy peite, giati diejagetai ayth h epixeirhsh shmera.

REPPAS: Den dexomai oti diejagontai epixeirhseis ``skoypa''. Ayto to opoio, omws, qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyme se ayth th xwra einai oti opoios zei kai drasthriopoieitai sthn Ellada, qa prepei na exei ta nomima eggrafa, na analabei sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis kai desmeyseis, opws kai oi alloi polites. H xwra mas einai mia syntetagmenh politeia. Yparxei ena plaisio, entos toy opoioy prepei oloi na kinhqoyme. Kai sas parakalw, prepei na anagnwrisoyme sta Organa ths Politeias th dynatothta na feroyn se peras to ergo poy toys anatiqetai, efoson to ergo ayto diekperaiwnetai entos toy plaisioy toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Den einai dynato @giati thn eyaisqhsia pros polites apo alles xwres poy briskontai sthn Ellada, thn exoyme oloi ston idio baqmo- na afhsoyme opoiodhpote periqwrio se dynameis oi opoies yparxoyn se ayth th xwra, akomh kai polites poy paranomws briskontai se ayth th xwra, na qewrhsoyn oti mporoyn etsi na diabioyn edw, xwris na analaboyn opoiadhpote ypoxrewsh, xwris na ypokeintai se opoiondhpote elegxo. Ayto poyqena den symbainei. Toylaxiston stis xwres ths Eyrwphs me tis opoies kolakeyomaste na sygkrinomaste. Pantote yparxei mia epimeleia. Ayto prepei na ginetai kai edw.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O pio epimelhs epikefalhs Astynomikhs Dieyqynshs, einai aytos poy exei poia ``sodeia'';

REPPAS: Eseis, epeidh asfalws antilambaneste ta pragmata me ena diaforetiko tropo, analogws pws ta proseggizete kaqe fora, qelete na sxoliasoyme mia sygkekrimenh lejh. Mporw, loipon, na sas pw eyqews oti, otan miloyme gia anqrwpoys, den mporoyme na toys synariqmoyme san na einai antikeimena. Den mporoyme na milame gia ``sodeia''. Sas to lew eyqews ayto. Den dinei, omws, h kybernhsh se kanenan to dikaiwma na milaei me tetoio tropo, wste na yponoei pws h eyaisqhsia mas, gia polites proerxomenoys apo alles xwres, einai meiwmenh. Oyte h dhmokratikh eyaisqhsia mas leipei kai ayto to gnwrizete poly kala. Giati se ayth th xwra exoyn brei katafygio ekatontades xiliades oikonomikoi kai alloi prosfyges kai metanastes, anazhtwntas mia kalyterh tyxh. Kai ayth h patrida, katorqwnei kai shkwnei ayto to baros, xarh sthn politikh ths kybernhshs. Antilambaneste ti qa shmaine, oson afora thn anatroph eyaisqhtwn koinwnikwn isorropiwn, h eisodos aytoy toy megaloy reymatos jenwn sthn patrida mas, an h Ellada den eixe thn ikanothta, xarh sth dikh mas politikh, na toys entajei armonika, sto megalytero h mikrotero baqmo, sthn koinwnia mas. Ola ayta, kalo einai na ta antimetwpizoyme xwris na epidiwkoyme th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, me synaisqhsh ths eyqynhs poy exoyme kai epignwsh oti yparxoyn problhmata kai prepei na ta lysoyme, xwris na mhdenizoyme tis prospaqeies poy exoyn ginei mexri twra se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Xqes, o k. Rompertson, eipe oti ``an xreiastoyn perissoteres dynameis sto Kossyfopedio, xwris kamia amfibolia, oi xwres toy NATO qa parasxoyn tis dynameis toys''. Diabazw aytoleji tis dhlwseis toy. Aphxei kai tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs o k. Rompertson;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den exei teqei tetoio qema, oyte eqese o k. Rompertson kata tis syzhthseis qema na ayjhqei h paroysia stratiwtikwn dynamewn, proerxomenwn apo tis diafores xwres-melh toy NATO sthn perioxh ekeinh. Apanthsa tis prohgoymenes hmeres se sxetikh erwthsh. Epanalambanw oti den antimetwpizoyme qema apostolhs stratiwtwn, tmhmatwn toy ellhnikoy stratoy, sto Kossyfopedio.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: An xreiastei, qa poyme oxi ston k. Rompertson;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Gnwrizete poly kala oti me dikh mas epilogh eimaste xwra-melos toy NATO. Den exei teqei tetoio qema kai ws fainetai, den prokeitai na teqei, giati h stratiwtikh hgesia toy NATO exei dhlwsei, prosfata kiolas, oti den xreiazetai na ayjhqei o ariqmos twn stratiwtwn poy einai egkatesthmenoi se ekeinh thn perioxh.

MIXAHL: Sas anhsyxei kaqoloy h katastash ekei; Kai to rwtw ayto, dioti qymamai oti perysi, me to poy jespase h krish prin apo peripoy 10-11 mhnes, h Ellada htan nai men eixe genikotera thn apoch oti den lynontai ta problhmata me toys bombardismoys, tis parembaseis, kai to ena kai to allo. Sas anhsyxei, loipon, h nea ejarsh poy teinei na diamorfwqei, malista enocei proeklogikhs periodoy;

REPPAS: Prepei na poyme oti h perioxh ayth einai mia estia krishs. Ayto, ek twn pragmatwn, apotelei phgh anhsyxias. Apo thn allh, den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote diaforetikh anhsyxia, giati, kaqe allo para mporei na isxyristei kapoios oti eimaste sta proqyra mias neas polemikhs syrrajhs. Xwris na efhsyxazoyme, mporw na pw oti den anhsyxoyme. Alla to oti h perioxh ayth brisketai akomh se synqhkes entashs, einai kati poy oloi to anagnwrizoyme kai to antilambanomaste. Gi` ayto akribws eimaste kai emeis ekei, gi` ayto exoyme parei sygkekrimena metra. Apo thn allh, omws, para to oti eimaste toso konta se mia estia krishs, blepete pws h poreia ths xwras mas den anakoptetai kai ayto kai pali apodeiknyei thn terastia proodo poy exoyme kanei ws xwra ta teleytaia xronia.

KAPPOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti den yparxei qema ayjhshs twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn ths Elladas sto Kossyfopedio. Pera apo stratiwtikes dynameis yparxoyn kai astynomikes dynameis. Epalhqeyete oti yparxei mia epilogh metaforas kapoiwn dekadwn astynomikwn pleon sto Kossyfopedio; Ayth einai h prwth erwthsh. Kai h deyterh erwthsh: Shmera ginetai to Symboylio Monimwn Antiproswpwn toy NATO, poy asxoleitai, metajy twn allwn, kai me idiaiterh emfash gia kapoia sygkekrimenh perioxh ths notias Serbias, opoy yparxei enas albanofwnos qylakas. Apo ekei phgazoyn kapoies dynamikes, na symballoyn se ananewsh persinwn gegonotwn, kai anaferomai sthn ikanothta xersaiwn stratiwtikwn epembasewn, neoy typoy epembasewn, sth Serbia. Se ayth thn periptwsh anaferomai.

REPPAS: Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh sas, den problepetai anazwpyrwsh aytoy toy metwpoy, thn epomenh periodo. Einai kati to opoio, para tis krisimes synqhkes poy parathroyntai sthn perioxh ayth, mporei kapoios na pei oti den anamenetai.

Oson afora thn anagkh na yparxoyn ekei astynomikes dynameis, oi opoies qa epithrhsoyn kai qa perifroyrhsoyn thn tajh, thn asfaleia kai th diakinhsh twn politwn, pragmati yparxoyn ekei Ellhnes astynomikoi. Einai poly ligoi ston ariqmo, einai ligoteroi twn deka. Pragmati, h dynamh ayth, apo th dikh mas pleyra qa enisxyqei me peripoy eikosi akomh andres. Exei, hdh, apofasistei ayto, alla miloyme gia astynomika kaqhkonta se perioxes opoy qa prepei na perifroyrhqei, epanalambanw, h dhmosia tajh. Den miloyme gia stratiwtika tmhmata. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

Eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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