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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Ianoyarioy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PARIS: Kaqe mera blepoyme ston Typo dhmosieymata ta opoia sta reportaz toys lene oti epikaloyntai kybernhtikes phges, oson afora thn hmeromhnia twn eklogwn. Kai oi ekloges ginontai apo to telos Febroyarioy ews to Septembrio, ana ebdomada. Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Skeptetai h kybernhsh na kanei prowres ekloges kai an oxi giati diathrei ayto to klima. Dioti, diathrwntas ayto to klima den dinei qesh kai bhma se diafora symferonta, omiloys symferontwn na ths askoyn piesh, wste na prolaboyn tis kalpes;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola h kybernhsh den asxoleitai me otidhpote allo peran twn kaqhkontwn ths. Qema eklogwn den tiqetai, den mas apasxolei. To mono poy mas apasxolei einai na oloklhrwsoyme me epityxia to ergo poy mas aneqese o ellhnikos laos me thn chfo toy.

Oson afora, twra, tis diadikasies basei twn opoiwn mia xwra odhgeitai stis ekloges, aytes anaferontai rhta sto Syntagma. To Syntagma apotelei to plaisio, entos toy opoioy exoyme epilejei na kinoymeqa pantote. To symferon ths xwras apotelei to gnwmona kai to krithrio gia tis epiloges mas. Qema eklogwn den tiqetai. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn otan oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas kai th qhteia mas. Pisteyw oti gia th dhmioyrgia aytoy toy klimatos megalh eyqynh exei, kyriws, to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. O k. Karamanlhs htan aytos o opoios, epi polloys mhnes, apeyqynomenos sta akroathria toy kommatos toy isxyrizotan oti qa syrei th xwra se ekloges, oti qa anagkasei thn kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se prowres ekloges. Anadiplwqhke @qetikh htan h anadiplwsh ayth- toylaxiston ej antikeimenoy, giati parhgage sygkekrimeno apotelesma thn yposthrijh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias gia mia nea qhteia. Omws, h eklogologia thn opoia espeire h Nea Dhmokratia paramenei kai shmera, se kapoio baqmo, me eyqynh pollwn paragontwn, toys opoioys den mporei na elegjei h kybernhsh. Den mporei na elegjei ta MME, gia to ti proballoyn, ti grafoyn. Den mporei na elegjei toys paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs, otan miloyn gi` ayto to qema kai ekfrazoyn th dikh toys apoch. H kybernhsh diatypwnei th dikh ths qesh me safhneia kai kathgorhmatikothta. Den tiqetai qema eklogwn.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Efoson gia thn kybernhsh den tiqetai qema eklogwn, mhpws tiqetai gia to PASOK; Giati, xqes, apo o,ti emaqa syzhtoysan gia toys eterodhmotes, gia tis monoedrikes perifereies k.tl. Ti ginetai;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh asxoleitai me to kybernhtiko ergo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti se ligoys mhnes qa ginoyn ekloges. Eimaste sto etos poy qa diejaxqoyn koinoboyleytikes ekloges. To PASOK prepei na einai etoimo. Kai, bebaiws, olh ayth h ergasia poy ginetai me th symmetoxh stelexwn toy PASOK, antilambaneste pws apotelei stoixeio ths fysiologikhs leitoyrgias enos kommatos se mia periodo, h opoia einai poly konta se mia eklogikh anametrhsh. To PASOK exei kaqe logo, opws kai ta alla kommata, na einai panetoimo gia kaqe endexomeno. Jexnate oti h Nea Dhmokratia, edw kai arketoys mhnes, mesw prokrimatikwn eklogwn h allwn diadikasiwn, opws problepei to katastatiko ths h apofasise h hgesia ths, exei anadeijei toys ypochfioys ths gia tis epikeimenes ekloges;

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: H Nea Dhmokratia, omws, elege oti hqele ekloges.

REPPAS: H Nea Dhmokratia, tote, elege oti hqele ekloges. Malista, elege oti qa epebale ekloges. Argotera arkesthke sto na zhtaei ekloges kai twra exei perioristei sto na anamenei ton Prwqypoyrgo na aposafhnisei, opws leei h N.D., th qesh ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh exei aposafhnisei th qesh ths. Thn epanalambanoyme me kaqe eykairia. Den tiqetai qema eklogwn. Opoioi, loipon, epanerxontai se ayto to qema kai eklogologoyn prosferoyn arnhtikh yphresia. H eklogologia den einai o,ti kalytero gia na synexisoyme me wfelimo tropo thn kybernhtikh prospaqeia mas. Apo thn allh, omws, den prokeitai na astynomeysoyme thn ekfrash toy fronhmatos h th diatypwsh diaforwn apocewn gi` ayto to qema. Mh mas zhtate na to kanoyme ayto. Arkesteite sth qesh poy diatypwnoyme.

FILHS: Qa hqela mia poly safh apanthsh. An einai qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn me th lhjh ths qhteias ths paroyshs Boylhs.

REPPAS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai oti oi ekloges prepei na ginoyn me thn oloklhrwsh toy ergoy mas, me thn oloklhrwsh ths qhteias ths Boylhs kai ths kybernhshs. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

FILHS: Afhste to ``prepei''. Eseis kaqorizete. Ti shmainei ``prepei'';

REPPAS: Oti qa ginoyn oi ekloges, opws problepei to Syntagma, sto telos ths qhteias ayths ths kybernhshs. Einai safes ayto poy lew. Den prokeitai na metablhqoyme se manteis, edw, gia na problecoyme ti mporei na ginei thn allh ebdomada h ton allo mhna. Sas lew oti eimaste staqera prosanatolismenoi sto na ginoyn oi ekloges otan oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas. Kai mh biazeste, giati polloi qa apogohteyqeite poy kanete probleceis, prosdiorizontas, malista, kai sygkekrimenes hmeromhnies. Sas lew oti ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs kai paramenoyme staqera se ayth th qesh.

FILHS: Oi hmeromhnies den bgainoyn, se oles tis efhmerides kai ta MME apo to myalo twn dhmosiografwn. Edw exoyme diarroh plhroforiwn apo ypeyqyna kybernhtika stelexh.

REPPAS: Den yparxei oyte enas, o opoios mporei na epikalestei ton Proedro kai Prwqypoyrgo gia to qema twn eklogwn. Oyte enas. To o,ti diatypwnoyn ta stelexh tis apoceis toys den shmainei oti ekfrazoyn th qesh ths kybernhshs.

FILHS: Gi` ayto sas rwthsa eyqews. O Prwqypoyrgos qewrei oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn to Septembrio;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh einai taytoshmoi, den einai dyo diaforetikoi paragontes, oi opoioi malista mporei na breqoyn se diastash. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn to Septembrio toy 2000, otan oloklhrwnetai h qhteia ayths ths Kybernhshs. Einai safhs h qesh mas.

BITALHS: Tote, pws ejhgeite ayto poy lete oti qesh sas einai oti prepei na oloklhrwqei to ergo kai na oloklhrwqei h qhteia ayths ths kybernhshs kai paramones Prwtoxronias o Prwqypoyrgos na dhlwnei oti oi ekloges mporei na ginoyn apo twra mexri ton Oktwbrio;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala se ti erwthsh apanthse kai me poion tropo epeleje na apanthsei. Me ena yfos to opoio htan apokalyptiko gia to oti o Prwqypoyrgos edwse ayth thn apanthsh, oxi epeidh ejefraze mia politikh qesh, alla epeidh hqele na kanei to diko toy sxolio me ayton ton tropo, apenanti se mia erwthsh h opoia egine, epishs, me enan tropo, as moy epitrapei h lejh, xaritwmeno.

FILHS: An pisteyete oti ayth thn periodo yparxei se ejelijh kapoio eqniko qema;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kanena qema se ejelijh, to opoio na mporei na pei kaneis oti den to elegxei h kybernhsh. An qelete na xarakthrisete eqniko qema th syzhthsh poy ginetai kai tis prospaqeies poy kataballontai gia thn oristikh yperbash ths krishs stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, pragmati ayto einai eqniko qema. An qelete na xarakthrisete eqniko qema thn prospaqeia poy kaname, ews twra, prokeimenoy na feroyme se apostash anapnohs th xwra mas apo thn entajh ths sthn ONE kai thn prospaqeia poy prepei na kanoyme apo edw kai pera gia na epityxoyme sto teliko stadio thn oristikh entajh, thn isotimh symmetoxh ths Elladas sthn ONE, nai kai ayto einai ena eqniko qema. Kai alla qemata exoyn eqnikh shmasia. Alla, ola ta qemata aytoy toy xarakthra elegxontai apo thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh exei staqerh bash, isxyrh yposthrijh sth Boylh kai to lao. Mporei na synexisei aproskopta kai adiataraxta to ergo ths. Kai ayto qa kanei h kybernhsh.

FILHS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos synefage me ton Makariotato, sto Megaro Majimoy. Syndaithmwn, omws, htan kai o k. Laliwths, opws maqame apo to reportaz. Endiaferetai h Ekklhsia gia qemata ths armodiothtas toy k. Laliwth me ta olympiaka erga h gia alla qemata; Kai gi` ayto proseklhqh kai o k. Laliwths sto koino trapezi;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. To deipno poy pareqese o Prwqypoyrgos sto Makariotato egine se antapodosh palaioterhs synanthshs toys sthn oikia toy Arxiepiskopoy. Kai sth synanthsh ekeinh htan parontes oi idioi anqrwpoi, oi opoioi symmeteixan kai sto deipno xqes to brady.

FILHS: Htan kai o k. Laliwths;

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Den exei kanena allo nohma, oyte prepei na dinetai allh ermhneia se ayth th synqesh. Einai ena koinwniko gegonos.

FILHS: O k. Laliwths exei kapoia kybernhtikh armodiothta gia th sxesh me thn Ekklhsia;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, eseis qa orisete th synqesh twn paragontwn ths kybernhshs h toy kratoys, me toys opoioys qa synantatai o Prwqypoyrgos h poioi mazi me ton Prwqypoyrgo qa synantwntai me alloys paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs; Kamia sxesh den exei ayto kai sas parakalw mh bgazete ayto to symperasma.

FILHS: O k. Arsenhs htan parwn, xqes; Symmeteixe sto deipno;

REPPAS: Se ena koinwniko gegonos, gnwrizete poly kala, oti den einai h armodiothta ayth poy kaqorizei th synqesh. Kai sas eipa oti to deipno htan se antapodosh palaioteroy deipnoy poy eixe paraqesei o Makariotatos pros ton Prwqypoyrgo, sto opoio symmeteixan kai osoi parabreqhkan xqes.

FILHS: Sto deipno poy kalei o Makariotatos toys syndaithmones symmeteixe o k. Laliwths kai oxi o k. Arsenhs. Sto deipno to opoio diorganwnei o Prwqypoyrgos janasymmetexei o k. Laliwths@

REPPAS: Den htan synanthsh ergasias@

FILHS: @gia to deipno milw@

REPPAS: Ena koinwniko gegonos einai. To poios qa kalesei poion einai diko toy qema.

FILHS: Ti eidoys koinwnikes sxeseis einai aytes poy exei anaptyjei o k. Laliwths@

REPPAS: Sas parakalw, k. Filh. Den antilambaneste oti prokaleite twra th nohmosynh mas h kai to gelwta; Einai dynaton;

FILHS: Oyte gelwtes katalabainw, oyte@

REPPAS: Den to katalabainete, alla prepei na sas pw oti toys prokaleite.

FILHS: Eseis prokaleite th nohmosynh mas me thn apanthsh sas. H erwthsh, loipon, einai@

REPPAS: Se synanthseis koinwnikoy xarakthra qa orisete eseis poia qa einai h synqesh twn paragontwn poy symmetexoyn;

FILHS: Egw qa orisw; Rwtw poia einai ta krithria.

REPPAS: Den yparxoyn krithria. Yparxei gnwrimia, yparxei h filikh sxesh poy exei anaptyxqei metajy diaforwn paragontwn. Giati qelete na sas prosdiorisw egw me poia synqesh pragmatopoioyntai oi koinwnikes synanthseis, oi koinwnikes synanastrofes; Gnwrimies, filikoi desmoi einai aytoi poy, polles fores, prosdiorizoyn kai th synqesh twn omadwn, twn anqrwpwn poy synantwntai.

FILHS: Yparxei tetoia filikh kai koinwnikh sxesh toy k. Laliwth me ton Arxiepiskopo;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Sxoliazoyn polloi mazi).

REPPAS: Parakalw poly ayta na katagrafoyn. Ta sxolia twn synadelfwn sas qelw na einai mesa sto <i><strong><FONT COLOR=#ff0000>briefing</FONT></strong></i>, giati antilambaneste@

FILHS: Alla, den einai onomastika ta sxolia. Opoios qelei na kanei sxolio na parei to logo. Afhste, loipon, ta genika peri sxoliwn, giati sxoliazoyme ki esas otan gelame apo katw. Afhste, loipon, thn eykolh lysh ths qymhdias.

REPPAS: Bebaiws, twra sxoliazete ki emena. Alla, mhn epanerxeste sto idio qema otan exw dwsei, hdh, apanthsh.

FILHS: Epanerxomai giati einai sobaro qema.

REPPAS: Einai sobaro qema;

FILHS: Pro mias ebdomadas apasxolhse to <i><strong><FONT COLOR=#ff0000>briefing</FONT></strong></i>, edw, h epiqesh toy Makariotatoy ston k. Laliwth, poy eipe oti oi ypoyrgoi den sebontai ton Arxiepiskopo. Meta apo mia ebdomada monos apo olh thn kybernhsh proskaleitai -sto koinwniko ayto gegonos, sto opoio symmetexei o k. Xristodoylos- apo ton Prwqypoyrgo o k. Laliwths. Ayto den exei politikh shmasia;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh@

FILHS: Gelate pali.

REPPAS: Qa kanw gelasth thn apanthsh moy!

FILHS: Apanteiste gelwntas, loipon.

REPPAS: O k. Laliwths, loipon, apanthse me th dikh toy qesh se ayth th qesh poy diatypwse o Makariotatos. Gnwrizete ti eipe o k. Laliwths. Kai oi dyo paragontes, diatypwnontas thn apoch toys gia sygkekrimeno zhthma, ekanan safes oti den yparxei ypostrwma proswpikhs antiqeshs, oyte krish sthn proswpikh sxesh. Yparxei mia diaforetikh proseggish se ena qema, to opoio apasxolei thn ellhnikh koinwnia, apasxolhse kai toys sygkekrimenoys paragontes poy milhsan gi` ayto. Den einai ayto logos gia na mh miloyn oi anqrwpoi metajy toys. To oti diatypwnontai diaforetikes apoceis, den shmainei oti tsakwnontai oi anqrwpoi kai den synantwntai. Yparxei enas filikos desmos o opoios paramenei. Den anatrepetai, oyte diarrhgnyetai. Kai aporw giati aporeite. Eseis sto komma sas poy einai, ypotiqetai, opws kai sto diko mas kai se alla kommata, poly pio perioristikes oi diadikasies, symfwneite se ola; Kai otan ekfrazoyme diaforetikes apoceis shmainei oti stamatoyme na pinoyme mazi ena kafe, na synantiomaste kai na antallasoyme apoceis;

FILHS: O Makriotatos einai PASOK;

REPPAS: Lew, otan ayto symbainei.

FILHS: Giati kanete parallhlismoys; H fobaste mpas kai einai Nea Dhmokratia o Makariotatos; Gia na katalabw, dhladh.

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, ola ayta ta opoia lete asfalws qa ta xrhsimopoihsete gia na bgalete kapoia symperasmata sthn efhmerida sas ayrio. Qa to diabasoyme ayto. Alla, otan oi periorismoi aytoi einai poly megaloi se ena komma kai para tis antiqeseis poy diatypwnontai epi sygkekrimenwn qematwn den odhgoyntai se rhjh oi sxeseis twn anqrwpwn, antilambaneste pws ayto einai adianohto na symbei se koinwniko epipedo. Ayto, to aytonohto kai logiko, lew. Einai dynaton h diatypwsh diaforetikhs apochs gia ena qema na odhghsei se rhjh proswpikwn sxesewn; Poy to eidate ayto; Symbainei kapoy alloy ayto kai qewreite epibeblhmeno na symbei ki edw;

MOYRTZHS: Amfitrywn htan o Prwqypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Sas parakalw, k. Moyrtzh. Einai se antapodosh palaioteroy deipnoy.

MOYRTZHS: Proskalese ton k. Laliwth sto deipno mazi me to Makariotato, dhladh, aphyqyne proswpikh prosklhsh;

REPPAS: Symmeteixan ta idia stelexh, ta opoia elaban meros kai sto deipno poy pareqese palaiotera o Makariotatos pros ton Prwqypoyrgo.

KARELIAS: Par` oti htan synanthsh @opws thn eipate- koinwnikoy xarakthra, mhpws jerete ean o Arxiepiskopos eqese kapoio aithma ston prwqypoyrgo h ton k. Laliwth; Giati to reportaz kati tetoio leei.

REPPAS: Kanena aithma. Poio aithma; Na anaferete sygkekrimena kapoio aithma gia na sas dwsw kai safesterh apanthsh. Parakalw na to kleisoyme to qema, giati pame sth ``deipnologia'' twra, meta thn eklogologia.

MOYRTZHS: Zhthse ekloges meta to Pasxa;

REPPAS: Kathgorhmatika, den eqese opoiodhpote tetoio qema.

FILHS: To ekkremes qema ths Mhtropolhs Aqhnwn, poy qa oikodomhqei h nea Mhtropolh poy zhta o k. Xristodoylos. Dhmosiws exei ekdhlwsei@

REPPAS: Anthllaghsan apoceis gia diafora qemata. Den eteqh opoiodhpote qema me th morfh aithmatos. Ayta ta qemata tiqentai kai syzhtoyntai, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn ergasias poy ginontai se takta diasthmata.

FILHS: H Mhtropolh yphrje qema syzhthshs, dhmosiws, yparxei mia diafora gnwmhs toy k. Laliwth me thn protash toy k. Xristodoyloy na ginei h Mhtropolh, edw, sto Xilton mprosta. Xqes, proteine alloys xwroys.

REPPAS: Ayto to qema exei syzhthqei metajy twn dyo paragontwn, toy Makariotatoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy. Einai ena qema to opoio syzhtoyn.

FILHS: Eteqh jana;

REPPAS: Den eteqh ws aithma. Antallasontai apoceis gia diafora qemata ths epikairothtas. Den htan synanthsh ergasias gia na teqoyn qemata kai na lhfqoyn apofaseis, na xaraxtei, dhladh, politikh. Eimai safhs se ayto.

KARGOYDH: Kata th synanthsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me ton Prwqypoyrgo kaqoristhkan oi akribeis xronoi ths ekloghs kai ths orkwmosias toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias;

REPPAS: Oxi. H orkwmosia toy Proedroy qa ginei symfwna me osa problepei to Syntagma. Qa yparjoyn synennohseis me ton Proedro ths Boylhs kai ta politika kommata. Kai mesw ths gnwsths diadikasias, qa oristei h sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia.

KARGOYDH: Poio htan akribws to periexomeno ths synanthshs;

REPPAS: H enhmerwsh gia qemata eswterikhs kai ejwterikhs politikhs. Exei kanei dhlwsh o Prwqypoyrgos.

KARGOYDH: Diabebaiwse o Prwqypoyrgos ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias oti oi ekloges qa ginoyn sto telos ths qhteias;

REPPAS: Gi ayto to qema milhsame. Ayta poy sas lew aphxoyn tis qeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs.

KARGOYDH: Gia ton Proedro, lew.

REPPAS: Den leme diaforetika pragmata ston Proedro apo ayta poy leme ston ellhniko lao. Oyte ston ellhniko lao leme diaforetika pragmata apo ayta poy leme ston Proedro.

KARGOYDH: Ara, apasxolhse th syzhthsh twn dyo andrwn to qema;

REPPAS: Ma, h qesh mas einai safhs. Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

MIXAHL: O Arxhgos ths ELAS kathgoreitai pleon me boyleyma gia thn ypoqesh ths odoy Niobhs. H kybernhsh protiqetai, loipon, na proxwrhsei parayta sthn antikatastash toy, dioti pleon, h kathgoria apo ton Eisaggelea einai eyqeia.

REPPAS: Den tiqetai qema antikatastashs toy. Ta dikastika organa exoyn armodiothta kai prepei na kanoyn th doyleia toys. O Arxhgos ths Astynomias paramenei sth qesh toy, exei thn empistosynh ths kybernhshs kai prepei na askhsei ta kaqhkonta toy.

MIXAHL: Mexri pote paramenei;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti den exei ekdoqei opoiadhpote apofash. Apexei para poly h dikastikh energeia, sto stadio poy twra briskomaste, apo to na pei kaneis oti exei ekdoqei mia apofash poy katamartyra sygkekrimenes eyqynes ston Arxhgo ths Astynomias. Bebaiws, den qa sxoliasw egw thn prwtoboylia twn dikastikwn organwn. Apo thn allh omws, epanalambanw -kai diatypwnw ayth th qesh- oti o Arxhgos synexizei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy, opws prepei na kanei.

MIXAHL: Kai gia ton shmerino Arxhgo ths ELAS isxyei oti tiqetai ypo krish stis taktikes kriseis toy Swmatos;

REPPAS: Ma, ti lete, k. Mixahl; Lew oti synexizei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy. Otan erqei h wra na ginoyn kriseis, ta armodia organa qa laboyn tis apofaseis toys. Einai ayto qema poy mas apasxolei twra; Qelete na kanoyme emeis krish prin erqei ekeinh h wra; Poio einai to qema poy qetete; Sas lew oti apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths kybernhshs kai synexizei to ergo toy.

MIXAHL: Kai sas rwtw ean isxyoyn kai gia ton idio ta krithria poy isxyoyn gia oloys toys alloys ajiwmatikoys, dioti oi kriseis -to jerete poly kala- oti qa ginoyn se ligotero apo ena mhna. Telos Febroyarioy qa ginoyn oi kriseis gia thn Ellhnikh Astynomia.

REPPAS: H erwthsh poia einai, an qa ginoyn se ena mhna;

MIXAHL: H erwthsh einai, ean isxyoyn kai gia ton idio ta idia krithria poy isxyoyn gia toys alloys Ajiwmatikoys;

REPPAS: Gia oloys toys Arxhgoys, eite twn Enoplwn Dynamenwn, eite twn Swmatwn Asfaleias, eite allwn Swmatwn, ta krithria einai pantote ta idia: H ikanothta toys, h empeiria toys, h apotelesmatikothta poy exoyn epideijei kata thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toys, einai ayta ta opoia ektima h kybernhsh gia na labei thn telikh apofash ths. Pantoy, ta idia krithria isxyoyn, den exei ginei pote kati diaforetiko.

PARIS: O Arxhgos ths ELAS qa fqasei mexri tis kriseis; O Arxhgos ths ELAS, ayth th stigmh, brisketai peripoy ypo kathgoria apo ameleia kai diafores alles kathgories. Den einai ena baros ayto gia thn ELAS;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin se ola ayta. Isxyoyn ta osa eipa.

BITALHS: Pote qa synanthqei h amerikanikh antiproswpeia poy exei erqei me ton k. Wayne Merry gia na synanthqoyn me toys kyrioys Papandreoy, Tsoxatzopoylo, Xrysoxoidh;

REPPAS: Otan lete ``amerikanikh antiproswpeia'' ti ennoeite; Giati dinetai h entypwsh oti einai ekproswpoi ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs.

BITALHS: Yparxei mia omada Amerikanwn empeirognwmonwn, episthmonwn poy exoyn erqei, meta apo prosklhsh toy k. Mperns, sthn Ellada kai oi opoioi exoyn zhthsei synanthseis me toys kyrioys Papandreoy, Tsoxatzopoylo, Xrysoxoidh kai nomizw kai me ton Arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs.

REPPAS: Oi empeirognwmones aytoi poy anhkoyn sta legomena ``think thanks'' h se kapoia ej aytwn poy leitoyrgoyn stis HPA, pragmati prokeitai na pragmatopoihsoyn episkech, tis epomenes hmeres, sthn Ellada kai qa synanthqoyn me diaforoys paragontes ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Qa ginoyn dektoi apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, qa synanthsoyn kai ton arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, opws problepetai kat` arxas sto programma. Kanei entypwsh giati titlos efhmeridas emfanizei toys paragontes aytoys ws anakrites. Anaferei to dhmosieyma: ``Erxontai sthn Ellada gia na anakrinoyn toys ypoyrgoys'', otan o syntakths gnwrizei, prepei na gnwrizei, oti qa synanthsoyn kai ton arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Profanws, oxi gia na ton ``anakrinoyn'', gia na ``anakriqoyn'' apo ayton h na toy metaferoyn ayta ta opoia emaqan apo thn ``anakrish'' sthn opoian ypebalan toys paragontes ths kybernhshs! Den einai sobara pragmata ayta.

BITALHS: Dhmioyrgei skeceis@

REPPAS: Poies skeceis dhmioyrgei k. Bitalh; To oti erxontai kapoioi paragontes, kapoioi politikoi analytes h sxoliastes sthn Ellada kai qa synanthqoyn me ekproswpoys ths kybernhshs kai alloys paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy, dinei thn entypwsh oti erxontai gia na ``anakrinoyn'' thn ellhnikh kybernhsh;

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan sthn antiproswpeia ayth epikefalhs einai o k. Wayne Merry, o opoios exei prwtagwnisthsei se mia seira apo kathgories -tis opoies eseis o idios aporricate- emplekontas ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs kai stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos se tromokratia, erxetai edw gia na syzhthsei gia tromokratia me koryfaioys ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs, einai ena qema ayto.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete kala oti sto plaisio programmatwn poy kai to Ypoyrgeio mas exei efarmosei, episkeptontai thn Ellada kai paragontes twn MME allwn xwrwn. Exoyme th dynatothta, sto plaisio aytwn twn episkecewn, ektos twn allwn, na syzhthsoyme mazi toys. Qetoyn erwthmata gia opoiodhpote qema. Den einai dynato na epibaloyme periorismoys. Kai dinoyme tis apanthseis mas, anadeiknyontas thn politikh mas. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, oi paragontes aytoi oi opoioi, se shmantiko baqmo, diamorfwnoyn thn koinh gnwmh sthn patrida toys, qa exoyn thn eykairia na syzhthsoyn me paragontes ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai alloys paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy kai apo ``prwto xeri'' na plhroforhqoyn thn politikh mas se diaforoys tomeis. Kalo einai ayto, den einai kako. Den einai dynaton kapoios poy exei mia sygkekrimenh idiothta na apokleistei, mono kai mono epeidh den symfwnoyme me tis apoceis toy. Isa-isa, qa prepei na diekdikhsoyme apo th dikh mas pleyra thn yper hmwn ejelijh twn qematwn, wste o idios paragontas poy isws exei apo kakh plhroforhsh mia allh qesh, na peistei gia thn orqothta ths politikhs mas.

BITALHS: Nai, alla h ellhnikh presbeia sthn Oyasigkton proebale foberes antirrhseis gia thn paroysia toy k. Wayne Merry se ayth thn antiproswpeia, me dedomeno to klima poy eixe dhmioyrghqei me to arqro toy, paramones ths episkechs toy k. Klinton.

REPPAS: To ena den prepei na ephreazei to allo. Gnwrizete poly kala, poies einai oi qeseis poy ekfrasame emeis gia tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata. To exoyme kanei para polles fores se analoges periptwseis. Den qa distasoyme na to kanoyme kai sto mellon, an ayto epiballetai. Apo to shmeio ayto, omws, mexri toy shmeioy na lete pws qa prepei na apokleioyme kapoioys poy exoyn mia sygkekrimenh idiothta -kai etsi ki alliws me thn idiothta toys ayth sygkatalegontai se kapoies omades- kai poy exoyn klhqei na episkefqoyn thn Ellada, yparxei megalh apostash. Emeis syzhtoyme me oloys kai qetoyme ta qemata ths politikhs mas.

FILHS: Ean katalaba kala, ayth h omada qa ginei dekth apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

REPPAS: Kat` arxas, ayto problepetai sto programma poy exoyme, mexri twra, sth diaqesh mas.

FILHS: Ayto den genna orismena erwthmata; To na synanthqei me toys armodioys ypoyrgoys -estw kai an einai treis-tesseris aytoi, mia armaqia- exei mia logikh. Poia logikh exei na synantatai@

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti thn apostolh ayth thn organwnei to legomeno ``Kentro Dytikhs Politikhs''. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to Kentro Dytikhs Politikhs einai ena kentro sto opoio exoyn energopoihqei paragontes ths omogeneias, ellhnikhs katagwghs paragontes oi opoioi yperaspizontai ta eqnika mas qemata. Oi idioi eixan thn prwtoboylia na sygkentrwsoyn paragontes oi opoioi leitoyrgoyn se diafora @think-thanks@ twn HPA, na toys feroyn sthn Ellada, na dwsoyn th dynatothta stoys paragontes aytoys na syzhthsoyn me ekproswpoys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs diafora qemata. Kai bebaiws, na synanthsoyn kai alloys paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs gia na gnwrisoyn kalytera thn Ellada. Na exoyn mia kalyterh gnwmh gia to ti ginetai sthn Ellada. Kako einai ayto;

FILHS : Egw de lew an einai kalo h kako. Pantws, den einai kati synhqismeno, o Proedros ths Dhmokratias na dexetai tetoioy eidoys episkeceis.

REPPAS: Kalws. Den einai, pragmati, synhqismeno, alla exei janaginei. Kai prepei na sas pw, oti paragontes, oi opoioi paizoyn ena shmantiko rolo sth diamorfwsh ths koinhs gnwmhs sthn patrida toys, kalo einai na briskontai se epafh mazi mas, prokeimenoy me thn anadeijh twn qesewn mas na toys peiqoyme gia thn orqothta ths politikhs mas. Kalo einai ayto.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh ginetai syzhthsh gi ayto to qema, hqela na sas rwthsw: Yphrje, prin apo 10 hmeres peripoy, mia -en pash periptwsei- kat` arxas symfwnia gia to periexomeno ths Symfwnias Astynomikhs Synergasias kai gia th Symfwnia poy ryqmizei ta qemata toy proswpikoy twn amerikanikwn basewn sthn Ellada. Pote peripoy blepei h ellhnikh pleyra oti aytes oi symfwnies qa ypografoyn apo thn amerikanikh pleyra ;

REPPAS: Efoson kai stis teleytaies leptomereies prokycoyn symfwnies, qa ypografoyn. Ayto, omws, einai kati panw sto opoio prepei na ergastoyme gia na to petyxoyme.

PARIS: H synanthsh stis Prespes qa ginei k. Ekproswpe;

REPPAS: Malista. H trimerhs synanthsh stis Prespes qa ginei, qa symmetasxei s` aythn kai o Prwqypoyrgos.

Eyxaristw poly.

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