Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-01-13

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 13 Ianoyarioy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARASABBA: Yparxei kapoia antidrash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sxetika me thn anastolh ths ekteleshs toy Ampntoylax Otsalan;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poia qesh exei labei h dieqnhs koinothta -idiaiterws h E.E.- gi` ayto to qema. H stash ths kybernhshs ths Toyrkias, opws ayth ekdhlwnetai ews twra toylaxiston, einai qetikh. Pisteyoyme oti den prepei na ektelestei h apofash toy dikasthrioy, na qanatwqei, dhladh, o Ampntoylax Otsalan.

KARASABBA: Wstoso, anhsyxeite isws gia tis epiptwseis poy mporei na exei to olo qema sthn politikh katastash ths Toyrkias.

REPPAS: Mia qesh h opoia einai swsth, mia stash h opoia einai qetikh den mporei na odhghsei se dysmeneis ejelijeis. Prepei na odhghsei se qetikes ejelijeis.

MIXAHL: Exei dhmioyrghqei enas qorybos apo toys endiaferomenoys, apo boyleytes toy PASOK, apo alloys paragontes, sxetika me th ryqmish gia ta ``panwtokia''. Qelw na rwthsw eyqews to ejhs: H kybernhsh exei kataqesei tropologia sto nomosxedio poy syzhteitai sth Boylh; Nai h oxi;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei diatypwsei diatajh, h opoia antapokrinetai sta osa exoyme ejaggeilei. Dinei mia apanthsh sto qema to opoio exei dhmioyrghqei edw kai arketa xronia. To problhma ayto dhmioyrghqhke idiws thn epoxh poy ta epitokia ekinoynto se ena ychlo epipedo. Pisteyoyme oti h apanthsh, h opoia didetai sto problhma, mesw ayths ths diatajhs, ikanopoiei kai dikaiwnei ekeinoys oi opoioi qeloyn na einai synepeis pros tis ypoxrewseis toys apenanti stis Trapezes, alla gia logoys peran twn dynamewn kai ths epiqymias toys den mporesan na antapokriqoyn se aytes. Giati, bebaiws, yparxoyn kai para polloi oi opoioi den exoyn diaqesh na antapokriqoyn stis ypoxrewseis toys etsi kai alliws kai den einai dynaton na yparxoyn ryqmiseis gia na ikanopoioyn thn epidiwjh aytwn twn sympolitwn mas. H ryqmish afora ekeinoys poy exoyn ena antikeimeniko problhma. Pisteyoyme oti einai ikanopoihtikh.

MIXAHL: Desmeyontai oi boyleytes toy PASOK me kommatikh peiqarxia gia thn chfish ths sygkekrimenhs diatajhs;

REPPAS: To qema qa syzhthqei sth Boylh. Einai gnwsth h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai. Pisteyoyme oti h ryqmish ayth qa chfistei ws exei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epi Toy idioy qematos, k. Ypoyrge. Tis apoceis sas den tis symmerizontai oi endiaferomenoi, symfwna me tis xqesines dhlwseis poy ekanan gi` ayto to qema. Wstoso, na staqoyme sthn politikh diastash toy qematos. Exei parelqei ena poly megalo xroniko diasthma sth diarkeia toy opoioy h kybernhsh den exei dwsei lysh se ayto to qema kai xrhsimopoiei texnasmata, analoga twn Trapezwn, gia na parapempetai stis kalendes. Eixate chfisei kai mia allh tropologia thn opoia eixan egkrinei oi daneiolhptes kai otan thn ferate sth Boylh htan diaforetikh apo ekeinh poy ypegracan. Twra kanete to idio pali. Lete oti einai ikanopoihmenoi, enw xqes sas dieceydan oi daneiolhptes.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola den xrhsimopoihsa th lejh ``ikanopoihmenoi'', xrhsimopoihsa th lejh ikanopoihtikh dioti h ryqmish dinei lysh sto problhma. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, an kapoios xrwsta se mia Trapeza kai den epiqymei na plhrwsei kaqoloy, oyte draxmh, oyte kan oloklhro to kefalaio to opoio exei daneistei -yparxoyn kai tetoies akraies periptwseis, alla pros Qeoy den anaferomai se oloys osoi exoyn analogh ypoxrewsh apenanti se Trapezes- asfalws, aytos qa einai dysaresthmenos. Alla, den prokeitai na yparjei kybernhsh, h opoia mporei na ikanopoihsei ena tetoio aithma. Kai to lew giati diatypwnontai kai tetoia aithmata. H kybernhsh brhke ayto to problhma. To problhma ayto dhmioyrghqhke edw kai arketa xronia, idiws apo thn epoxh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras apo th N.D., otan ta epitokia kinoyntan se poly ychla epipeda kai oydeis ta antimetwpise.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den hqela na pw ayto kai kala to lete.

REPPAS: Bebaiws, kala to lew. Einai gnwsto. H kybernhsh, loipon, einai ayth h opoia phre prwtoboylies gia na antimetwpisei to qema. Ekane shmantiko bhma me thn prohgoymenh ryqmish. Proxwra se ayth th nea ryqmish, h opoia einai poly kala zygismenh, prokeimenoy na bohqhsei etsi ekeinoys poy exoyn sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis, na tis antimetwpisoyn xwris na afanistoyn, na katastrafoyn. Alla, apo thn allh, h ryqmish ayth epiballetai na diasfalizei thn omalh leitoyrgia toy trapezikoy systhmatos.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa epimeinw, k. Ypoyrge, dioti, ayth th stigmh, yparxei sto Tzanneio enas asqenhs apo thn Krhth, 82 etwn, o opoios phre daneio 9 ekatommyriwn, edwse stis Trapezes 90 ekatommyria kai toy zhtoyn alla 520. Einai dynaton se tetoies periptwseis, poy den einai mia, giati lete eseis an einai enas apatewnas, entajei na plhrwsei, na mhn toy ta xarisoyme. Edw miloyme gia swreia tetoiwn parabasewn. Kai blepete oti akoma pleisthriazoyn kai ta probata stis agrotikes perioxes. Sthn Agrotikh Trapeza bgazoyn se pleisthriasmo ta probata kai ta katsikia.

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena pragmatiko problhma to opoio antimetwpizoyn arketoi sympolites mas. Gi ayto akribws h kybernhsh edeije eyaisqhsia kai endiaferon kai proxwrhse sth sygkekrimenh diatajh. Den gnwrizw epimeroys periptwseis. Kanate mia anafora periptwsiologikh. Den qelw na mpw se ayth th syzhthsh, giati den gnwrizw ola ta stoixeia. Asfalws, dexomai oti yparxoyn sympolites mas, oi opoioi antimetwpizoyn analoga problhmata. Mia ryqmish, omws, qa prepei na staqmizei ola ta dedomena, oles tis parametroys kai na einai tetoia, wste apo th mia na ikanopoiei -ypo th genikh ennoia- ena aithma poy yparxei kai exei diatypwqei gia thn antimetwpish kai th lysh toy pragmatikoy problhmatos kai apo thn allh, h epilysh aytoy toy problhmatos, na mhn odhgei, dia ths allhs odoy, sth dhmioyrgia problhmatos se enan tomea, opws einai o trapezikos. Gnwrizw oti ayto to problhma yparxei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, me ayta poy lete yposthrizete tis Trapezes, den yposthrizete toys daneiolhptes.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h gnwmh sas. Epishmainw to endiaferon kai thn eyaisqhsia poy edeije h kybernhsh na asxolhqei me ayto to qema, to opoio -epanalambanw- einai shmantiko. Afora polloys sympolites mas. H kybernhsh breqhke apenanti se ena problhma poy dhmioyrghqhke meta apo polla xronia. Oi kybernhseis poy prohghqhkan kai den edeijan to analogo endiaferon, asfalws, qa prepei na stigmatistoyn gi ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Omws, yioqethsate ki eseis thn idia politikh.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Mia kybernhsh, h opoia pairnei prwtoboylies kai prowqei ryqmiseis gia na antimetwpisei to problhma, den menei dhladh, adiaforh kai apaqhs, den mporei na kathgoreitai oti exei thn idia stash me prohgoymenes kybernhseis. Antiqetws.

MIXAHL: Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia tis xqesines ejelijeis sto Xrhmatisthrio;

REPPAS: Kanena sxolio gia th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Gnwrizete poly kala oti ayto poy dhmioyrghqhke den ofeiletai sth leitoyrgia toy systhmatos. Exei systaqei Epitroph, prokeimenoy ta epoptika organa na ereynhsoyn pws akribws dhmioyrghqhke ayto to fainomeno. Alla, exei ginei safes, eyqys ej arxhs, oti ayto to problhma den ofeiletai se kakh leitoyrgia toy systhmatos, basei toy opoioy leitoyrgei to Xrhmatisthrio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se ti ofeiletai;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ta epoptika organa exoyn analabei na ejetasoyn to qema. Profanws, ta stelexh kapoias xrhmatisthriakhs etaireias ekanan xeirismoys, oi opoioi mporei na dhmioyrghsan to qema. Ayto, omws, menei na apodeixqei. Ayto poy exei apodeixqei kai einai bebaio, einai oti to qema ayto den ofeiletai se adynamies, se laqh toy systhmatos leitoyrgias, dhladh ths ylikotexnikhs ypodomhs toy Xrhmatisthrioy.

MIXAHL: Mas eipate oti qa antapokriqei qetika h Ellada sto aithma toy k. Koysner na parei reyma gia to Kossyfopedio. O k. Koysner poy hrqe sthn Aqhna, ekane tis synennohseis kai h diadikasia proxwraei. Qa yparjei kostos lhchs; Den qa plhrwqei apo kapoy ayto to reyma h ginetai sto plaisio ths bohqeias poy dinei h Ellada gia to Kossyfopedio;

REPPAS: Ola ayta syzhtoyntai. Asfalws, den qa paraxwrhqei dwrean ayth h hlektrikh energeia. Apo thn allh, bebaiws, h energeia ayth qa doqei kai sto plaisio ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme, na prosferoyme anqrwpistikh bohqeia kai yposthrijh se mia perioxh, h opoia dokimazetai. Alla, ola ayta stis leptomereies toys, ta syzhtoyn oi armodioi. Pantws o k. Koysner den exei erqei sthn Aqhna.

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REPPAS: Giati den rwtate toys armodioys ypoyrgoys, afoy sas endiaferei ayto to qema toso poly;

MIXAHL: Giati politiko qema einai, k. Ypoyrge. An apofasisei h kybernhsh@

REPPAS: Sas parakalw. Oi leptomereies, basei twn opoiwn qa parasxoyme thn hlektrikh energeia, einai politiko qema; Politiko zhthma einai to oti apofasisame na xorhghsoyme amesws energeia.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me sygxwreite. Einai politiko zhthma to an apofasisete na dwsete thn energeia dwrean h an th dwsete me kapoio timhma. Twra, an to timhma ayto qa einai symboliko, qa einai panakribo h oxi, emena den me afora.

REPPAS: Sas eipa, oti oi texnikes leptomereies ths symfwnias kaqorizontai apo toys armodioys foreis. Tipote allo den yparxei. Syzhthseis yphrjan.

SOYRMELH: O k. Koysner hrqe sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, prin.

KARASABBA: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti yphrje dysforia apo thn pleyra toy Beligradioy, sxetika me th ellhnikh diplwmatikh apostolh sto Kossobo.

REPPAS: Tetoia ekfrash dysareskeias h dysforias den exei ekdhlwqei, toylaxiston pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Oyte qa mporoyse na eixe ekdhlwqei, afoy sto Kossyfopedio exei metabei kai parakoloyqei tis ejelijeis o Grammateas ths Ellhnikhs Presbeias sto Beligradi. Ara, kai di aytoy toy tropoy, pistopoieitai to eniaio ths diplwmatikhs ekproswphshs ths xwras mas sth Gioygkoslabia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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