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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Dekembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, o Prwqypoyrgos proebh se dhlwsh, thn opoia exete ypoch sas. Den exw na prosqesw otidhpote. Gnwrizete oti akoloyqei synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai to dioikhth ths Eqnikhs Trapezas gia to gnwsto qema toy anatokismoy twn daneiwn. Qa akoloyqhsoyn dhlwseis meta apo ayth th synergasia. H kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na dwsei oristiko telos se ena kaqestws to opoio adikei toys daneiolhptes, se polles periptwseis. Pisteyoyme oti h ryqmish qa ikanopoiei oloys kai etsi to qema ayto poy afora ta perifhma panwtokia, syntoma qa apotelei parelqon, ws problhma.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas, an kai qa hqela, gia qemata armodiothtas moy, na probw se kapoies dhlwseis poy aforoyn to Symboylio Radiothleorashs. Qelete na to kanw meta h twra eisagwgikws;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Meta.

REPPAS: Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Apo th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, an katalabainw kala, exei allajei kati se sxesh me th stash mas sto Elsinki, se sxesh me tis prohgoymenes hmeres;

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola, emeis exoyme kat` epanalhch tonisei oti to plaisio entos toy opoioy qa kinhqoyme, einai apo th dikh mas pleyra aposafhnismeno, einai dedomeno. Eimaste etoimoi na apanthsoyme, otan teqei to krisimo erwthma, sympyknwnontas th qesh mas se ena "nai" h ena "oxi". H qesh ayth paramenei. To plaisio ayto synexizei na isxyei. H telikh apanthsh mas ejartatai, prwta kai kyria, apo ton tropo me ton opoio oi alles xwres ths E. E. qa antimetwpisoyn ta qemata poy qa apasxolhsoyn toys hgetes, sto plaisio ayths ths Synodoy. Prwtistws, ejartatai apo aytoys. Kai bebaiws, ejartatai kai apo thn Toyrkia -me thn opoia syzhtaei h E. E. - h opoia kaleitai na enarmonistei me to koinotiko kekthmeno, prokeimenoy na epityxei mia qetikh ejelijh, oson afora thn prospaqeia ths gia thn eyrwpaikh proseggish kai thn enswmatwsh ths sthn E. E.

EYSTAQIOY: O Prwqypoyrgos sthn episkech toy sthn Praga, eixe erwthqei, an qymaste, an prokeitai na qesei beto gia th dieyrynsh, se periptwsh poy h Kypros den einai sthn prwth omada twn xwrwn poy qa entaxqoyn sthn E. E. Kai h apanthsh htan qetikh. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean ejakoloyqei na isxyei h qesh ayth ths kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Ayth h qesh paramenei se isxy. Den afora, omws, to shmera ths E. E. Ayto to opoio qa antimetwpisei twra h E. E., kata th Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki, einai to qema ths dieyrynshs, poy metajy twn allwn, perilambanei thn apodosh h mh sthn Toyrkia toy xarakthra ths ypochfias pros entajh xwras. Sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn, h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E., anejarthtws ths poreias epilyshs toy politikoy problhmatos ths, katexei mia jexwristh qesh. H apofash mas gia to qema ths apodoshs sthn Toyrkia toy xarakthra ths ypochfias pros entajh xwras, qa kaqoristei, afoy lhfqei ypoch, metajy twn allwn, kai ayto to krithrio. Ayto to exoyme tonisei kat` epanalhch. Parakalw, omws, mhn epimenete, twra, prin kan arxisei h Synodos, na anakoinwsw me leptomereies th qesh mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, milhse gia ekloges toys epomenoys mhnes kai egkateleice to Septembrio toy 2000, poy elege alles fores, mhpws mporeite na mas prosdiorisete pote qa ginoyn oi ekloges;

REPPAS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai oti oi ekloges prepei na ginoyn to Septembrio toy 2000, epeidh ayth h Boylh mporei kai prepei na eklejei Proedro Dhmokratias kai pali ton k. Stefanopoylo. Apo th stigmh poy oloi anagnwrizoyn oti o k. Stefanopoylos askei acoga ta kaqhkonta toy, den tiqetai opoiodhpote dilhmma gia thn yposthrijh toy. O Prwqypoyrgos, kata th xqesinh omilia toy, anaferqhke sthn antipoliteysh. Eipe oti, ws fainetai, odhgoymaste se prowres ekloges, epeidh ayto epiqymei h antipoliteysh. Den milhse gia epilogh ths kybernhshs. Milhse gia kommatiko sxedio ths antipoliteyshs, poy odhgei ton topo, opws ola deixnoyn, se prowres ekloges. Gnwrizete oloi oti h N. D. exei topoqethqei arnhtika sto endexomeno na yposthrijei thn ypochfiothta toy k. Stefanopoyloy gia mia nea qhteia. Enas politikos analyths mporei na kanei thn ektimhsh oti h N. D. epidiwkei na odhghsei ton topo se prowres ekloges, me aformh th diadikasia ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Ayto to aytonohto, to opoio oloi gnwrizoyme kai kat` epanalhch exoyn dhlwsei stelexh ths N. D., epanelabe kai o Prwqypoyrgos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, egine politikos analyths o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos htan, einai kai qa einai Prwqypoyrgos. Kai oi prwqypoyrgoi kai oi politikoi, gnwrizete oti prepei na kanoyn kai politikes ektimhseis, prokeimenoy na exoyn ena orqo politiko sxediasmo. Ayto to opoio ekane o Prwqypoyrgos einai oti milhse ws Prwqypoyrgos. Ayto to opoio prepei na kanei h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh kai o arxhgos ths einai na milhsoyn me thn eyqynh toy kommatos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, pragma poy mexri twra den kanoyn kai apodeiknyontai katwteroi twn peristasewn. Kai ayto dioti stis epiloges toys fainetai oti prytaneyei to kommatiko kai mono krithrio kai oti adiaforoyn gia to eqniko symferon, otan gnwrizoyn oti to epomeno ejamhno h xwra mas qa diapragmateyqei thn oloklhrwsh ths prospaqeias arketwn xronwn poy kanei o ellhnikos laos, me thn politikh ths kybernhshs gia thn entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE. Ayto apaitei ena staqero oikonomiko, koinwniko kai politiko periballon, xwris perispasmoys sto eswteriko metwpo ths xwras. H N. D. qelei na odhghsei se prowres ekloges, opws ola deixnoyn, adiaforwntas gia tis epizhmies epiptwseis poy, ek twn pragmatwn, ej antikeimenoy, prokyptoyn otan dhmioyrgeitai ena proeklogiko skhniko. Ayth einai h alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwtaw, epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos eipe "toys epomenoys mhnes", mporeite na mas prosdiorisete poio mhna qa ginoyn ekloges;

REPPAS: H N. D. einai ayth h opoia, xwris na to zhtaei epishmws, me th stash ths fainetai oti qelei na odhghsei th xwra se ekloges. H N. D. einai ayth h opoia, otan telikws dieykrinisei th qesh ths, oson afora th diadikasia ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, ek twn pragmatwn, emmesws alla safws, qa orisei kai thn hmeromhnia twn eklogwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H N. D. einai ayth poy kybernaei, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: H N. D. einai antipoliteysh. Gia polla qemata h N. D. diatypwnei aithmata kai kalei thn kybernhsh na ta apodexqei. Den exei ejasfalisei, otan diatypwnei ena aithma, ek twn proterwn, th synainesh ths kybernhshs gia thn apodoxh opoioy aithmatos diatypwnei. Sto sygkekrimeno qema, omws -kai edw einai h ypokrisia ths N. D. - oydepote diatypwse aithma gia prowrh prosfygh se ekloges. Leei oti qelei ekloges, epishmws omws den to exei zhthsei. Kai leei "den mporoyme na tis epibaloyme kai gi ayto den tis zhtoyme". Ma, kai alla qemata den mporei na epibalei. Para tayta, qetei analoga aithmata. Ti shmainei ayto; Oti afenos, h N. D. fobatai thn eklogikh anametrhsh, afeteroy, ws apotelesma enos kakoy sxediasmoy, exei odhghqei se adiejodo. Oles tis epiloges mexri twra tis ekane me gnwmona ta kommatika krithria kai oxi to eqniko kai to koinwniko symferon, me apotelesma na odhgeitai twra se mia qesh, h opoia oysiastika einai se sygkroysh, se antiparaqesh me tis pepoiqhseis kai tis epiloges ths pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayth einai h alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H N. D. kai o proedros ths kai ta alla stelexh ths...

REPPAS: Egw milw ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. Eseis giati milate ws ekproswpos ths N. D.;

STAMATOPOYLOS: ... zhtoyn to syntomotero dynato ekloges, apo oti jerw egw.

REPPAS: Poy to exoyn zhthsei;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekato fores to exoyn pei.

REPPAS: Stis efhmerides to zhtoyn; Den yparxei Boylh; Den yparxei Syntagma; Den yparxoyn diadikasies poy problepontai, basei twn opoiwn tiqetai to qema ayto; Tis exei ajiopoihsei aytes tis diadikasies h N. D.;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto xeri ths kybernhshs den einai na kanei ekloges opote qelei;

REPPAS: Synennohqhkame, apolytws. Sas parakalw, mh milate ws ekproswpos ths N. D. Oloi katalabainoyme poly kala ti ginetai se ayto ton topo. Kai epeidh oi polites katalabainoyn -giati ayto exei shmasia- qa kanoyn thn epilogh toys otan erqei h wra. Oi polites, metajy twn allwn, exoyn katalabei poia einai h stash twn kommatwn kai poio komma exei ypeyqynh stash kai poio exei stash mikrokommatikh.

BITALHS: Epanalabate, prohgoymenws, th qesh ths kybernhshs, oti qelei ejantlhsh ths tetraetias, dedomenoy oti h Boylh mporei kai prepei na eklejei Proedro. Prokeitai o Prwqypoyrgos na exei kapoio kyklo synanthsewn me toys politikoys arxhgoys gia na lyqei to diafainomeno adiejodo, to opoio perigracate prohgoymenws, wste na apofygoyme tis prowres ekloges; Palaiotera, eixate pei kai eseis oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me toys politikoys arxhgoys gia na diereynhsei to qema ths ekloghs Proedroy Dhmokratias. Qa ginoyn aytes oi kinhseis; Qa yparjei synennohsh h apla eimaste twra se ena proeklogiko paixnidi enqen kai enqen;

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti ayth h skech den exei egkataleifqei. Ayto to opoio, omws, prepei na labete ypoch sas einai toyto: Oti o arxhgos ths N. D. exei dhlwsei epishmws kai dhmosiws oti sto telos toy Ianoyarioy qa kanei gnwsth th qesh toy. Ara, einai oxi aplws piqano, alla bebaio, oti kaloymenos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia na syzhthsei ayto to qema, mporei kallista na epikalestei ayth thn epilogh toy kai na parapemcei se metagenestero xrono, dhladh sto telos Ianoyarioy, opote kai qa anakoinwsei th qesh toy. Ara, parelkei opoiadhpote syzhthsh. Ayto einai ena stoixeio to opoio prepei na laboyme ypoch mas. Kai me ayth thn ennoia, toylaxiston twra, den exei programmatistei kai den tiqetai qema tetoiwn diaboyleysewn.

BITALHS: Moy fainetai ligo antifatiko ayto. Apo th stigmh poy o arxhgos ths N. D. den exei jekaqarisei th qesh toy sto zhthma toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, pws ginontai tetoioy eidoys epishmanseis toy typoy "pame se ekloges", eidika se toso epishmes omilies enwpion twn epixeirhmatiwn;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola eipa oti ayto fainetai na prokyptei apo th stash ths N. D. H stash ths N. D. ekdhlwnetai me polloys tropoys. Prwta kai kyria me tis omilies kai tis dhlwseis twn stelexwn ths. Gnwrizete poly kala poies einai aytes. Aytes, loipon, oi dhlwseis, h stash ths N. D. odhgei abiasta se ayto to symperasma.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela ena sxolio sas gia shmerina dhmosieymata poy anaferoyn sxediasmoys kybernhtikoys gia meiwsh aisqhth twn epitokiwn syntomotata.

REPPAS: H politikh ths kybernhshs ston tomea ayto, den allazei twra. Antilambaneste, omws, pws, kaqws proxwroyme pros thn ONE, opws kai h idia h entajh poy pisteyoyme oti qa epiteyxqei, qa odhghsei se allagh toy topioy ston tomea twn epitokiwn. Gnwrizete pia einai h diafora, h apostash poy xwrizei to epipedo twn ellhnikwn epitokiwn apo ayto sto opoio kinoyntai ta epitokia stis eyrwpaikes xwres. Einai ena anoixto qema.

KARGOYDH: Ta dhmosieymata kanoyn logo gia piqanh anakoinwsh thn erxomenh Tetarth. Dhladh, oti einai mesa stoys amesoys sxediasmoys sas. Gi ayto rwtaw.

REPPAS: Den exei lhfqei tetoia apofash. Para to oti, opws antilambaneste, ta qemata ayta den apofasizontai me ayto ton tropo kai sto plaisio kybernhtikwn organwn.

EYSTAQIOY: Giati anafereste synexeia sth stash ths N. D. sthn proedrikh eklogh, apo thn wra poy h N. D. den exei 121 boyleytes, wste na mporei na thn ephreasei apofastistika. Epeidh yparxoyn kai alla kommata sth Boylh, giati ejartate th stash sas apo to ti qa prajei h N. D.; Allwste, na sas qymisw oti to 1995 to PASOK den htan ayto poy eixe proteinei ton Kwsth Stefanopoylo. Ton eixe proteinei h Politikh Anoijh.

REPPAS: Qesate dyo erwthmata:

Oson afora to prwto, ola osa leme gia th N. D. isxyoyn kai gia ta alla kommata ths antipoliteyshs, ta opoia kaloyntai kai ayta na synainesoyn, wste na anadeixqei kai pali, opws epiballei to pneyma kai to gramma toy Syntagmatos, me thn pleon synainetikh diadikasia, o k. K. Stefanopoylos gia mia nea qhteia sthn Proedria ths Dhmokratias. Gnwrizete, omws, poly kala oti o men Synaspismos exei epilejei kai ypodeiknyei ws ypochfio gia to ajiwma ayto ton k. Lewnida Kyrko, to de KKE exei dhlwsei kat arxas -kai pisteyw oti ayth qa einai kai h telikh qesh toy- oti den qa probei se opoiadhpote protash. Ara, antilambaneste pws h symmetoxh ths N. D. se ayth th synainetikh diadikasia gia thn eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias einai ek twn wn oyk aney, wste na exoyme ena qetiko apotelesma.

EYSTAQIOY: Einai kai to DHKKI.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o ariqmos twn boyleytwn toy PASOK kai toy DHKKI den eparkei, prokeimenoy na symplhrwqei o ariqmos twn 180 boyleytwn poy apaiteitai se ayth thn periptwsh.

EYSTAQIOY: Eimaste se oriako shmeio, omws, opote polla mporei na symboyn.

REPPAS: Ta kommata sth Boylh einai sygkekrimena. H qesh poy qa diatypwsei kaqe komma, pisteyw oti qa ekdhlwqei me thn chfo olwn twn boyleytwn toy kaqe kommatos. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw, h Boylh ayth mporei kai prepei na eklejei Proedro Dhmokratias. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Kai afora th N. D., to KKE, to Synaspismo kai to DHKKI.

Oson afora to deytero erwthma, h eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias to 1995, poy anedeije sto ajiwma ayto ton k. Stefanopoylo, gnwrizete oti eixe th synainesh ths Politikhs Anoijhs, poy tote ekproswpeito sth Boylh, kai toy PASOK. Ayto einai swsto. Qymaste, omws, epishs, oti h N. D. den yperchfise ayth thn ypochfiothta. Kathgorhse malista politika thn POLAN poy synainese se ayth th diadikasia, epeidh kata th N. D. qa eprepe ej aformhs ths adynamias ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, h xwra na odhghqei se ekloges. Kai tote, dhladh, o kommatikos sxediasmos htan aytos poy kaqorise th stash ths N. D. se ena megalhs shmasias qesmiko, politeiako zhthma. Ayto deixnei oti, enw sta logia oloi lene oti prepei na aposyndeqei h eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias apo th qhteia ths Boylhs -einai allwste kati to opoio syzhteitai sto plaisio twn allagwn toy Syntagmatos kai opws gnwrizete h syzhthsh ayth brisketai se ejelijh- h N. D. kai tote kai twra syndeei thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me mikrokommatikoys sxediasmoys. Ayto einai qesmiko olisqhma kai exei timhma, to opoio h N. D. qa katabalei, an epimenei se ayth th stash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh mhpws skeptetai na aposyrei to nomo me to idiwnymo gia tis katalhceis;

REPPAS: O nomos o opoios afora ta sygkekrimena qemata, isxyei. Den prokeitai peri neoy nomoy, den prokeitai peri idiwnymoy. Aplws, parexetai pleon stoys eisaggelikoys leitoyrgoys h dynatothta na parembainoyn aytepaggelta kai na askoyn poinikh diwjh enantion ekeinwn, oi opoioi parempodizoyn, diatarassoyn h diakoptoyn th leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. H qesh mas einai safhs. Pisteyoyme oti oloi exoyme eyaisqhsia gia ta dikaiwmata twn politwn, alla h eyaisqhsia ayth den temaxizetai. Afora ta dikaiwmata olwn twn politwn. Yperaspizomaste ta dikaiwmata twn politwn. Kai den prepei na qewreitai h paroysia twn eisaggelewn, poy isa-isa eggywntai th nomimothta, ws shmeio anataraxhs h ektrophs apo th nomimothta. Antiqetws, ta dikaiwmata twn politwn prepei na ginontai sebasta, olwn twn politwn, omws. Giati ekei poy arxizei h eleyqeria toy enos, teleiwnei h eleyqeria toy alloy. Ayth einai mia gnwsth frash, h opoia edw apodidei ta pragmata. Emeis, loipon, yperaspizomaste ta dhmokratika dikaiwmata kai tis eleyqeries twn politwn, xwris na kanoyme diakriseis. Giati den einai dynato na qewreitai pws einai nomimo kai qemito na yperaspizomaste thn epidiwjh twn ligwn na epibaloyn th qelhsh toys stoys polloys. Exoyn kai oi polloi eleyqeries kai dhmokratika dikaiwmata, poy kai ayta prepei na ginontai sebasta. Einai h dikh toys apaithsh kai prepei na thn akoysoyme kai na th sebastoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwtaw, giati efere antiqeta apotelesmata apo ayta poy perimenate.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas ektimhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayjhqhkan oi katalhceis, bghkan oloi stoys dromoys.

REPPAS: Ayta ta grafete sthn efhmerida sas, prosqetontas kai diafora ta opoia den exoyn kan syzhthqei, opws antilambanomai ej oswn diabazw. Apo ekei kai pera, to symperasma sto opoio odhgeiste einai lanqasmeno, apolytws lanqasmeno. Ta ariqmhtika stoixeia to martyroyn. Apo thn allh, qa anamenete pws qa ejelixqei to qema ayto tis epomenes hmeres, gia na exete ena teliko symperasma. Giati pisteyw oti kai eseis -kai to pisteyw apolyta- opws oloi mas, qelete na epanaleitoyrghsoyn, to syntomotero dynato, ola ta sxoleia ths xwras. Na perifroyrhsoyme to dhmosio sxoleio ws perioysia kai kyriws ws ennoia sto plaisio ths ekpaideytikhs diadikasias. Pisteyw oti ayto to qelete ki eseis: thn omalh leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn, to syntomotero dynato.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: O ekproswpos ths N. D. k. Sphliwtopoylos, prin apo ligo kathgorhse thn kybernhsh gia farisaismo kai ypokrisia sto qema twn katalhcewn kai kinhtopoihsewn genika sto xwro ths paideias, ypenqymizontas malista kai seira dhlwsewn kybernhtikwn stelexwn thn periodo toy 1990, poy kathgoroysan thn tote kybernhsh gia aytarxismo sthn antimetwpish twn tote katalhcewn. Exete kapoio sxolio gi ayto dedomenoy oti ola ta stelexh toy PASOK kai shmerinoi ypoyrgoi, akoma kai o Prwqypoyrgos, miloysan tote gia dialogo me toys maqhtes, me toys kaqhghtes, kati to opoio, opws toylaxiston anefere o k. Sphliwtopoylos den yparxei shmera.

REPPAS: Akomh kai h idia politikh se diaforetikes politikes synqhkes einai diaforetikh politikh. Apo ekei kai pera den xreiazetai na dwsw opoiadhpote apanthsh. Thn apanthsh thn exei dwsei o ellhnikos laos. Oi polites chfisan kai to 1993 kai to 1996. Eixan ypoch toys ola ayta ta dedomena kai anedeijan kai pali to PASOK kybernhsh kai Prwqypoyrgo to shmerino Prwqypoyrgo Kwsta Shmith. Ola ta alla peritteyoyn. Apo kei kai pera, oi synqhkes toy 2000 apaitoyn mia ekpaideysh sth xwra mas, h opoia na parexei sta paidia, stoys Ellhnes maqhtes efodia gia na antimetwpisoyn tis proklhseis ths zwhs, se ena idiaitera antagwnistiko dieqnes periballon. Pisteyoyme oti einai h orqh h politikh poy akoloyqoyme. Kai epiteloys, afoy epi ths oysias h N. D. den diafwnei, einai ajioshmeiwto -den einai bebaia aporias ajio- oti kaqe fora anazhtei ena tropo, prokeimenoy na diaforopoihqei apo thn kybernhsh kai na thn kathgorhsei telikws. H N. D. einai komma kataggelias, komma diamartyrias. Pisteyoyme oti ta megala kommata poy filodojoyn na ginoyn kai kybernhsh prepei na epideiknyoyn mia pio ypeyqynh stash.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Epimenei h kybernhsh se ena xronodiagramma apodoxhs ek meroys ths Agkyras ths dikaiodosias toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs h sto Elsinki qa ginei h apotimhsh ths qeshs Tzem; Dhladh apodesmeysh...

REPPAS: Qa meinw stis apanthseis poy edwsa prin. Mhn perimenete na ejantlhsoyme twra olh thn epixeirhmatologia mas, pragma to opoio qa kanoyme sto plaisio twn diapragmateysewn. Oi diapragmateyseis qa einai sklhres kai dyskoles. Prepei na sas pw oti emeis exoyme poly jekaqaro plaisio qesewn kai to exoyme kanei gnwsto stoys etairoys mas. Pisteyw oti h prospaqeia poy kanoyme -para ta empodia, tis dyskolies kai tis antidraseis poy ekdhlwnontai - mporei na einai epityxhs. Sas kalw oloys na symbaloyme se ayto, antimetwpizontas me cyxraimo kai ypeyqyno tropo ta qemata kai ston tomea ths enhmerwshs twn politwn.

MOYRTZHS: Mporeite na mas sxoliasete ta porno sta deltia eidhsewn, giati o Synaspismos me erwthsh toy pros ton Prwqypoyrgo kataggellei oti den mporei na parembei to ESR epeidh einai akefalo.

REPPAS: Oson afora to deytero qema poy qesate, asfalws to ESR mporei na analabei sxetikh prwtoboylia. Aporw giati den to exei kanei mexri twra. To ESR peran toy Proedroy exei kai ton anaplhrwth toy, peran twn taktikwn melwn exei kai ta anaplhrwmatika melh. O anaplhrwths Proedros h ta anaplhrwmatika melh diorizontai gia ayto to logo, gia na antimetwpizoyn mia ektakth katastash se mia metabatikh periodo. Mporei to ESR na epilhfqei. Ola ta alla ta opoia kapoioi isxyrizontai einai ek toy ponhroy. Lypoymai poy diatypwnontai tetoioy eidoys apoceis. Den eystaqoyn. Asfalws mporei. Einai toso dyskolo na synedriasei to ESR kai na asxolhqei me ena qema, -an qewrei oti prepei na asxolhqei -kai na labei mia apofash; Asfalws oxi. Den einai toso megalos fortos ergasias gia ta melh toy. Apo kei kai pera me to nomo 2644 poy eishghqhke o omilwn, dwsame to dikaiwma kai th dynatothta sto ESR na mporei na epilambanetai tetoiwn qematwn aytoboylws. Xwris na xreiazetai, dhladh, na prohghqei sxetiko erwthma apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, ton ypoyrgo Typoy, en prokeimenw, opws isxye mexri tote. As ajiopoihsei ayth th diadikasia to ESR. Mporei na to kanei. Opoioi isxyrizontai to antiqeto, epanalambanw, to kanoyn gia alloys logoys.

Oson afora, twra, thn oysia toy qematos, pisteyw oti se tetoies periptwseis prepei na staqmisoyme ta agaqa ta opoia diakybeyontai. Yparxei -kai ayth einai h prospaqeia toy dhmosiografoy, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh- enas sygkekrimenos stoxos: na anadeixqoyn fainomena diafqoras kai etsi me ayton ton tropo na epidiwxqei h antimetwpish toys. Bebaiws, ta agaqa ta opoia prepei na staqmisoyme sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh einai apo th mia h eleyqeria ths ekfrashs kai h eleyqeria ths enhmerwshs twn politwn kai apo thn allh, to agaqo ths prostasias toy idiwtikoy bioy twn politwn, poy den prepei na agnoeitai, alla na perifroyreitai. Epishs, den prepei na mas diafeygei oti den einai dynaton me paranomh diadikasia na epidiwkeis na ejyphrethseis ena nomimo, ena dikaio skopo. Ola ayta ta qemata mporei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno ejetashs apo to ESR. An den analabei sxetikh prwtoboylia, opws dikaioytai kai dynatai, qa qesw egw sxetiko erwthma. Mporw gia ayto na sas enhmerwsw argotera.

EYSTAQIOY: Den nomizete oti h prostasia toy idiwtikoy bioy mporei na epiteyxqei me ena para poly aplo tropo, patwntas to koympaki kai kleinontas thn thleorash h gyrizontas se allo kanali;

REPPAS: Einai qema seminarioy, einai qema episthmonikhs syzhthshs, h enasxolhsh mas me thn oysia toy problhmatos poy exei dhmioyrghqei. Den einai qema enhmerwshs kai den xwra sto plaisio mias politikhs enhmerwshs. Oyte exoyme th dynatothta na to ejantlhsoyme. Bebaiws, o poliths mporei na epilejei poio programma qa parakoloyqhsei, apo thn allh, omws, mh sas diafeygei oti oi thleoptikoi staqmoi filojenoyntai se syxnothtes poy apoteloyn dhmosia kai eqnikh perioysia. Kai exoyn analabei ayto to ergo kata paraxwrhsh apo to Dhmosio, epeidh akribws exoyn desmeyqei oti qa ejasfalisoyn oles tis eggyhseis kai qa sebontai aytoys toys kanones, aytes tis arxes oi opoies, metajy twn allwn, ejasfalizoyn afenos thn enhmerwsh toy polith me antikeimeniko kai ployralistiko tropo kai afeteroy thn prostasia toy. Kai ayto den prepei na diafeygei apo kanenan.

PARIS: Hqela na rwthsw esas, ws ypoyrgo Typoy, apo thn prwth matia kai pera apo thn epixeirhmatologia gia yper kai ta kata th sygkekrimenh ekpomph, thn katadikazete h nomizete oti einai kati to opoio prosferei enhmerwsh kata kapoio tropo;

REPPAS: Den qa ekfrasw proswpikh apoch. Anamenw to ESR na epilhfqei toy qematos. An den analabei to idio sxetikh prwtoboylia, qa qesw se ayto to analogo erwthma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Jerete oti sthn perioxh ths Messhnias, exoyn kleisei oloys toys radiofwnikoys staqmoys;

REPPAS: Exw sxetikh erwthsh synadelfoy toy Nomoy Messhnias sthn opoia qa apanthsw shmera to apogeyma. Sas parapempw sthn apanthsh ayth h opoia qa exei kai arketa nea enhmerwtika stoixeia.

MOYRTZHS: Den ekfrazete apoch gia thn "tsonta";

REPPAS: Eipa oti prepei na staqmisoyme sygkekrimena agaqa, opws h prostasia toy idiwtikoy bioy, poy prepei pantote na einai dedomenh. Ayto to qema den xreiazetai na to syzhtoyme. Prepei na epishmanw oti se aytes tis periptwseis qa prepei na yparxei synainesh olwn twn symmetexontwn, prokeimenoy na pei kapoios oti to yliko to opoio perihlqe sth diaqesh toy, mporei na xrhsimopoihqei, kata ton tropo poy ekeinos qewrei epibeblhmeno. Ayta einai jekaqarismena qemata. Den epitrepetai, omws, na proxwrhsoyme se perissotero baqos th syzhthsh. Se poly genikes grammes sas eipa poia einai h kratoysa qesh, thn opoia kai emeis apodexomaste. Epishmana prin -mh sas diafeygei- pws den mporeis na ejyphrethseis ena nomimo h dikaio skopo me paranomes diadikasies. Htan poly safes ayto poy eipa.

PARIS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an qa proteinete sto ESR na asxolhqei kai me allh pleyra toy qematos, pera apo ayth ths enhmerwshs kai thn prostasia toy idiwtikoy bioy opws px. me thn aisqhtikh.

REPPAS: H apanthsh poy edwsa perilambanei to synolo twn qematwn ta opoia sxetizontai me ayto to problhma. Apo kei kai pera qetw erwthma. Den ypodeiknyw kai den proteinw. Ayto gia na mhn yparxei parejhghsh, giati se tetoies epoxes akomh kai oi lejeis enoxopoioyntai kai dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata.

Qa moy epitrecete kleinontas, na kanw mia dhlwsh oson afora to ESR kai tis qeseis poy exei ekfrasei o arxhgos ths N. D. o opoios proebh shmera se sxetikes dhlwseis, opws kai o Synaspismos me xqesinh dhlwsh toy.

H N. D. kai o Synaspismos, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, exoyn jeperasei ta oria ths synhqoys antipoliteytikhs yperbolhs, poy toys diakrinei. Prospaqoyn na metatrecoyn to ESR apo anejarthth dioikhtikh arxh se kommatiko organo, kai etsi na to xeiragwghsoyn, prokeimenoy na epityxoyn sygkekrimenoys skopoys. Skopoys poy aforoyn thn ejasfalish ths probolhs toys apo ta MME, me alla krithria poy den exoyn sxesh me ta dhmosiografika krithria h thn antikeimenikh enhmerwsh twn politwn. Peri aytoy prokeitai.

Lypoymai poy to lew, alla den gnwrizoyn akomh pws sygkroteitai to ESR kai poia einai h fysiognwmia toy. Gi ayto o k. Karamanlhs leei shmera oti diorizetai apo thn kybernhsh. Ypodeiknyetai apo ta politika kommata to kaqe melos toy ESR, o de Proedros kai o anaplhrwths toy apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs. Oydeis ypodeiknyetai apo thn kybernhsh. Epishmainw, omws, oti kai ekeina ta melh toy ESR poy ypodeixqhkan apo to kybernwn komma, exoyn parameinei siwphla, diatypwnontas sto plaisio twn synedriasewn toy organoy tis apoceis toys, opws exoyn kaqe dikaiwma, xwris na prostrexoyn se opoiasdhpote morfhs energeia h opoia mporei na ermhneytei kai ws yposthrijh pros thn kybernhsh. Giati den noiwqoyn ayth thn anagkh, opws den thn noiwqei kai h kybernhsh. Ayto apodeiknyei me ton kalytero tropo oti to kybernwn komma proteine gia th stelexwsh toy ESR proswpikothtes, sympolites mas me krithria teleiws diaforetika apo ayta poy xrhsimopoihsan ta alla politika kommata, ta opoia proteinan kata bash kommatikoys ekproswpoys, me apotelesma na exoyme thn ekdosh anakoinwsewn apo ta kommata gia to ESR. Kai malista anakoinwsewn melwn toy ESR apo Grafeia Typoy kommatwn. Ta melh toy ESR qa prepei na perifroyrhsoyn to kyros toys kai to kyros toy organoy sto opoio symmetexoyn. As to kanoyn oso mporoyn. Emeis sta qemata leitoyrgias toy ESR exoyme meinei se apostash tetoia, wste na mhn mporei kaneis na mas kathgorhsei gia opoiadhpote prospaqeia ephreasmoy toy. To kanoyn ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, kyriws o Synaspismos kai h N. D.

Yphrje mia diafwnia se nomiko, episthmoniko zhthma poy afora thn anadromikh epibolh kyrwsewn. Eimaste antiqetoi kai -opws isxyei se kaqe kratos dikaioy, se kaqe eynomoymeno kratos- qewroyme pws den epitrepetai h anadromikh epibolh kyrwsewn, poy exoyn hqiko xarakthra en prokeimenw kai problepontai se nomo metagenestero toy symbantos, me to opoio asxolhqhke to ESR. Oson afora tis apofaseis toy ESR, poy aforoyn thn epibolh xrhmatikwn prostimwn se parabates-staqmoys, oi apofaseis aytes exoyn epikyrwqei, exoyn ekdoqei oi apofaseis moy kai exoyn klhqei oi staqmoi na plhrwsoyn ta prostima. Giati yparxei kai ayth h paranohsh, oti den epikyrwnoyme apofaseis poy aforoyn thn epibolh prostimwn, epeidh qeloyme na eimaste arestoi stoys thleoptikoys staqmoys. Epikrinomaste emeis, poy exoyme kalesei toys staqmoys kai to antallagma xrhshs na kataballoyn, enw to Dhmosio den phre oyte draxmh apo toys thleoptikoys staqmoys, ta xronia poy htan kybernhsh h N. D., gia tis syxnothtes poy eixan paraxwrhqei. Alla kai ola ta prostima, ta xrhmatika posa, oi xrhmatikes poines poy exoyn epiblhqei, exoyn ypografei oles apo th dikh mas pleyra kai ypoxreoyntai ta Mesa na antapokriqoyn sthn ypoxrewsh toys ayth kai na ejoflhsoyn to xreos poy exoyn enanti toy Dhmosioy. Apo kei kai pera, lypoymai, giati opws apodeiknyetai, ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs h stelexh twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs se polles periptwseis, otan qewroyn oti etsi qa strafoyn enantion ths kybernhshs, giati nomizoyn oti plhttoyn thn kybernhsh, prosetairizontai to ESR. Otan, omws, oi apofaseis toy ESR den toys einai arestes, eite ws dikhgoroi thleoptikwn staqmwn kataqetoyn aithseis akyrwsews sto Symboylio Epikrateias gia na mhn efarmostoyn oi apofaseis toy ESR, eite ws ekproswpoi kommatwn, otan ekdidetai apofash toy ESR p. x. gia th xorhghsh adeiwn se radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Attikhs, ekdidoyn anakoinwseis, opws ayth toy ekproswpoy ths N. D h opoia ekdoqhke stis 2 Ioylioy toy 1999, poy katalhgoyn me thn parotrynsh pros emena: "H N. D. kalei ton armodio ypoyrgo Typoy na anapemcei thn apofash toy ESR". Na mhn dextw, dhladh, thn apofash toy ESR. Kai shmera o arxhgos ths N. D. leei oti qa prepei na exei apofasistikes armodiothtes to ESR. Otan apofasizei omws to ESR kai den mas aresei h apofash toy, kaloyme ton ypoyrgo Typoy na mhn thn kanei dekth. H ypokrisia exei ta oria ths.

Ayto apodeiknyei me ton kalytero tropo, pws antilambanontai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs to ESR. Oxi ws anejarthth dioikhtikh arxh, alla ws kommatiko organo. Kai dystyxws ta melh poy exoyn proteinei sto ESR, th teleytaia periodo, me th stash toys deixnoyn oti leitoyrgoyn perissotero ws kommatikoi ekproswpoi kai oxi ws melh enos organoy poy prepei na leitoyrgei me aytonomia kai anejarthsia. Jekaqara pragmata.

Eyxaristw poly.

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