Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-12-06

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 6 Dekembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

* Shmera to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos, ekfwnhse omilia sth Synodo toy Symboylioy Apodhmoy Ellhnismoy, sth Qessalonikh. Se ligo, qa milhsei sto Eyrwpaiko Kentro gia thn Anaptyjh ths Epaggelmatikhs Katartishs (CEDEFOP). To brady qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna. Oi omilies toy einai sth diaqesh sas.

* Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa proedreysei ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, me antikeimeno thn politikh poy qa akoloyqhsei h xwra mas sthn epikeimenh Synodo Koryfhs, sto Elsinki. Gia th Synodo ayth, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei, epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs antiproswpeias, thn Pempth to prwi, gia thn prwteyoysa ths Filandias. Symplhrwnw oti qa prepei osoi apo sas laboyn meros sthn apostolh, na einai sto aerodromio stis 8 to prwi.

Gia tis ypoloipes synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa sas enhmerwsw, otan oristikopoihqoyn.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PARIS: Exw dyo erwthseis se dyo diaforetika qemata. To prwto qema einai gia to Elsinki. Mexri twra oi endeijeis tis opoies pairnoyme apo toys etairoys mas kai apo thn Toyrkia, mas parakinoyn na askhsoyme beto h na mhn askhsoyme; Einai dhladh qetikes h arnhtikes oi endeijeis;

REPPAS: Oi meres poy apomenoyn mexri th Synodo Koryfhs einai liges. Taytoxrona einai kai polles. Mas epitrepoyn na ergastoyme prokeimenoy na exoyme to apotelesma poy oloi epiqymoyme. Na syzhthqei to qema ths dieyrynshs ths E. E. kai sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs na apofasistei, me qetiko tropo kai h apokthsh apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias ths idiothtas ths ypochfias pros entajh sthn E. E. xwras. Ayto einai ena qema to opoio, toylaxiston me ta dedomena poy exoyme ypoch mas, paramenei anoixto. Oi syzhthseis einai se ejelijh. Qa synexistoyn kai tis epomenes hmeres. Yparxei katanohsh gia tis ellhnikes qeseis. Yparxei, qa elega, mia anagnwrish toy orqoy kai toy dikaioy twn qematwn kai toy tropoy me ton opoio ta qetei h ellhnikh pleyra. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, me thn opoia syzhtoyn oi koinotikoi etairoi, na yparjei mia analogh qetikh antapokrish, giati kyriws aythn afora h ejelijh. H politikh poy exoyme akoloyqhsei mexri twra, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon, alla lambanontas ypoch kai to symferon ths E. E., einai apolyta orqh. Epiqymoyme mia E. E. poy qa synexisei na leitoyrgei me arxes kai kanones, opws mexri twra kai pisteyoyme oti se ayto to plaisio arxwn kai kanonwn, qa enarmonistei kai h Toyrkia, opws allwste, oles oi alles xwres poy epiqymoyn na exoyn stenes sxeseis me thn E. E.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti yparxei katanohsh gia tis ellhnikes qeseis. Apo poioys;

REPPAS: Apo oles tis xwres ths E. E. me tis opoies exei syzhthsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Bghke sth Germania o k. Srenter kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Germanias, opws kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Italias kai taxqhkan yper ths Toyrkias. Poia katanohsh yparxei tote;

REPPAS: Oydeis exei taxqei yper ths Toyrkias. Emeis exoyme pei, opws oles oi xwres ths E. E. oti epiqymoyme h ejelijh na einai qetikh, arkei na ergastoyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh oloi kai oxi mono emeis h kapoies xwres ths E. E., alla kai h Toyrkia. Oloi epiqymoyme ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths Toyrkias. Oloi epiqymoyme to apotelesma ayths ths syzhthshs na einai qetiko. Ejartatai, omws, apo energeies, oi opoies prepei na prohghqoyn kai oi energeies aytes prepei na proerxontai kyriws apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, afoy aythn afora prwtistws mia tetoia ejelijh. Ayta einai qemata ta opoia exoyn aposafhnistei, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn. Einai se ejelijh -epanalambanw- oi syzhthseis aytes kai den einai politika orqo na poyme kati perissotero ayth thn wra.

PARIS: Se allo qema. Eixe syzhthqei kai sto briefing to qema ths akyrwshs toy diagwnismoy gia to Olympiako Xwrio. Apo tis apanthseis poy eida -den hmoyn edw- exw akomh orismenes apories, giati akyrwqhke o diagwnismos. Yphrxe kapoio problhma ston diagwnismo;

REPPAS: Den egine dhmosios, dieqnhs, anoixtos diagwnismos. Yphrje mia proepilogh. Qewroyme oti apo thn wra poy apofasisthke na emplakei se ayth th diadikasia kataskeyhs toy Olympiakoy Xwrioy kai o Organismos Ergatikhs Katoikias, qa eprepe na akoloyqhsoyme mia allh diadikasia, anoixtoy diagwnismoy, thn opoia kai qa akoloyqhsoyme. Qema anaqeshs den yfistatai. Kakws grafhke kai anaferqhke kati tetoio. Qa ginei anoixtos diagwnismos, o opoios pisteyoyme oti qa stefqei apo epityxia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn Ekqesh ths Qessalonikhs, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos eixe allh apoch xqes poy ekane dhlwseis, gia thn akyrwsh toy diagwnismoy. Ejefrase thn aporia, giati akyrwqhke o diagwnismos.

REPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos den exei allh apoch. Sto erwthma "giati akyrwqhke o diagwnismos", exei doqei apanthsh, h opoia epanalambanetai se kaqe tetoia erwthsh oti den kriqhkan symferontes oi oroi, basei twn opoiwn zhthse o agorasths na apokthsei to meridio ayto, to 45% twn metoxwn ths HELEXPO A. E. Pisteyoyme oti h epanalhch toy diagwnismoy qa einai epityxhs. Exei symbei ayto kai se alles periptwseis. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh ayto poy proexei einai na diasfalisoyme ta symferonta toy Dhmosioy, alla kai ta symferonta ths polhs, ypo thn ennoia ths prooptikhs gia thn polh kai sthn kateyqynsh ayth, einai kaqoristikh h swsth leitoyrgia ths Anwnymhs Etaireias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xronika pote qa ginei h epanalhch toy diagwnismoy;

REPPAS: Einai qema ligoy xronoy. Efoson chfistei h diatajh poy odhgei sthn ypagwgh sto Ypoyrgeio Makedonias Qrakhs, toy Organismoy aytoy, opws allwste eixe ejaggeilei o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy sthn Ekqesh Qessalonikhs, syntomotata arxizei h nea diagwnistikh diadikasia, prokeimenoy na exoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios logos yphrje gia na proxwrhsei h kybernhsh sthn prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy kai na kanei "idiwnymo" thn katalhjh; Den yphrxan diatajeis ston poiniko kwdika poy qa mporoyn na leitoyrgoyn ta organa ths tajhs;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn diatajeis ston Poiniko Kwdika, oi opoies paramenoyn kai isxyoyn. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Den allazei o Poinikos Kwdikas. Aplws, epekteinetai to dikaiwma askhshs poinikhs diwjhs kai apo thn eisaggelikh arxh me aytepaggelto tropo. Ayto ginetai. To dikaiwma, h ejoysia poy eixan oi dieyqyntes twn sxolikwn monadwn paramenei se isxy. Apo kei kai pera, kriname skopimo, epeidh h isxyoysa diatajh apodeixqhke mh leitoyrgikh, na epekteinoyme to dikaiwma ayto, prokeimenoy oi eisaggelikoi leitoyrgoi na exoyn th dynatothta, aytepaggeltws na askhsoyn diwjh enantion opoioydhpote parempodizei, diatarassei h diakoptei th leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Pisteyoyme oti ayto antapokrinetai sto aisqhma ths megalhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn, idiaiterws twn gonewn, alla kai twn maqhtwn. Perifroyroyme th dhmosia perioysia kai symballoyme, wste ta sxoleia na leitoyrghsoyn, na ginoyn pali topoi maqhshs kai gnwshs kai na mhn einai ypoxeiria twn opoiwn politikwn h kommatikwn epilogwn, stoixeiwn poy se megalh klimaka den exoyn sxesh me th maqhtikh koinothta. Ayto exei apodeixqei. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, oi eisaggeleis me thn paroysia toys -exei tonistei ayto kai ajizei na to epanalabw- diasfalizoyn kai ta dikaiwmata twn maqhtwn. Oi eisaggeleis einai ekproswpoi ths tajhs, toy nomoy. Ayto shmainei oti h dikh toys parembash, se ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kineitai, prokeimenoy kai ta dikaiwmata twn maqhtwn na ginoyn sebasta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati to kanate idiwnymo;

REPPAS: Den prokeitai peri aytoy. Einai dikos sas xarakthrismos, me ton opoio den symfwnoyme. Eseis exete ayth thn apoch, thn grafete kai kanete analoga sxolia. H diatajh toy Poinikoy Kwdika synexizei na isxyei. Aplws dinetai h dynatothta aytepaggelths diwjhs apo toys eisaggeleis enantion ekeinwn poy perempodizoyn th leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Tipota allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prin den eixan to dikaiwma aytepaggelths diwjhs apo toys eisaggeleis;

REPPAS: Den eixan ayto to dikaiwma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den to eixan;

REPPAS: Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh den eixan ayto to dikaiwma. Eprepe na prohghqei egklhsh apo to Dieyqynth ths sxolikhs monadas, kati to opoio den synebaine gia logoys poy antilambaneste.

BITALHS: Den sas problhmatizoyn oi mexri stigmhs antidraseis poy yparxoyn gi ayth thn prajh, giati exoyme antidraseis apo thn OLME, me staseis ergasias se opoia Lykeia phgainei Eisaggeleas, alla kai sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK polla stelexh ejefrasan problhmatismo kai anhsyxia gia thn anagkaiothta ayths ths ryqmishs.

REPPAS: Den symfwnw mazi sas oti h pleiochfia twn gonewn, twn maqhtwn kai twn kaqhghtwn, mias kai anaferqhkate sthn OLME, exei diatypwsei arnhtikes qeseis apenanti se mia tetoia ryqmish. Antiqetws, poly perissotero sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn, sthn prosfath Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK, gnwrizete oti ola ta stelexh, kaqena me to diko toy tropo, me apoxrwseis stis omilies toys, symfwnhsan se ayth thn ryqmish. Oydeis chfise kati diaforetiko, oydeis eqese qema enantion ayths ths nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias. Den yfistatai, loipon, problhma, opws kapoioi qeloyn na to paroysiasoyn. To mono problhma poy yparxei, einai to problhma ekeinwn poy qa hqelan na metatrecoyn ta sxoleia se "agwnistikes epaljeis" gia alloys logoys, poy kamia sxesh den exoyn me thn proodo twn maqhtwn h me thn ekpaideytikh politikh kai thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. Exoyn sxesh mono me tis kommatikes anagkes. Omws, ayto den to epitrepei h pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ta sxoleia qa prepei na meinoyn makria apo opoioysdhpote kommatikoys sxediasmoys. Qa prepei na leitoyrgoyn, xwris na ypokeintai se tetoioy eidoys elegxomenes politikes kateyqynseis. Me ayth thn ennoia pisteyoyme oti einai orqh h epilogh ths kybernhshs.

BITALHS: Sto qema poy afora ta stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos, den eipa oti eqesan qema gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, alla oti legetai apo diakekrimena stelexh toy kommatos, oti ena tetoio metro, endexomenws na dhmioyrghsei problhmata kai sthn poreia ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Den teqhke qema chfoforias, omws, teqhke qema problhmatismoy apo polla stelexh.

REPPAS: Oles aytes oi parametroi exoyn ektimhqei, prokeimenoy na lhfqei apofash. H apofash exei lhfqei kai pisteyoyme oti den qa dhmioyrghqei kanena problhma sth leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn kai sthn poreia efarmoghs ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs.

FILHS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias exei ypogracei ayth th ryqmish;

REPPAS: Qa prowqhqei, shmera, ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias to sxetiko keimeno kai anamenetai h ypografh.

FILHS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias eixe enhmerwqei prin lhfqei h apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, oti prokeitai h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se ayth thn prajh;

REPPAS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias htan sto ejwteriko. H synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy egine thn Paraskeyh, den eixe prohghqei, gia to sygkekrimeno qema, kapoia syzhthsh.

FILHS: Me dedomeno oti ta problhmata poy lete oti qelei na antimetwpisei ayth h ryqmish eixan prosdioristei kai persi kai propersi kai den einai oyte aproblepta, oyte ektakta, giati h kybernhsh den prowqhse me thn kanonikh nomoqetikh diadikasia, analogh ryqmish kai epeleje ayto ton ektakto tropo periorismoy dikaiwmatwn;

REPPAS: Qewroyme oti sto shmeio ayto eprepe na antimetwpistei to problhma poy proekyce, kata tropo o opoios qa edine sthn politeia th dynatothta na mhn paramenei apaqhs, alla na parembainei, na pairnei prwtoboylies kai na dinei lysh sto problhma. Na lynei to gordio desmo. Peri aytoy prokeitai. Ara, loipon, twra eprepe na akoloyqhqei ayth h diadikasia. Kai nomizw oti, oson afora toys xarakthrismoys "ektakto" h "katepeigon" kai o idios o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, exei kanei sxolio, to opoio, asfalws exete ypoch sas. Prokeitai peri twn proypoqesewn poy syntrexoyn sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh poy apaitei to Syntagma, elhfqhsan ypoch kai odhghqhkame se ayth thn prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy.

FILHS: Ma, ta problhmata -epanalambanw- eixan paroysiastei kai persi kai propersi. Giati h kybernhsh den proeblece na exei mia nomoqetikh ryqmish, mia tropologia, ena nomo, mesa apo thn kanonikh diadikasia ths Boylhs;

REPPAS: H empeiria poy apokthsame mas odhghse se ayth thn epilogh, poy qewroyme oti einai pio orqh, gia na prolaboyme ta fainomena katastrofwn poy eginan persi, kaqws kai to fainomeno ths apwleias pollwn wrwn didaskalias, gia na mhn plhrwsoyme kai fetos ena kostos, to opoio mporei na apotimhqei se 6 dis draxmes, opws to persino. Giati qa prepei na epanalambanontai fainomena toy parelqontos, poy synepagontai ena kostos se diafora epipeda; H kybernhsh anelabe fetos ayth thn prwtoboylia gia na apofygoyme fainomena toy parelqontos. H epilogh ayth einai orqh.

FILHS: Me thn apanthsh sas dexeste oti einai antisyntagmatikh h diatajh poy prowqeite, giati den einai oyte aproblepth, oyte ektakth katastash. Eipate kai persi ta idia eginan.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos k. Filh. Einai h dikh sas analysh. Den gnwrizete oti eginan kinhtopoihseis kai persi kai propersi;

FILHS: Eseis, ws kybernhsh, to gnwrizete;

REPPAS: Asfalws, gnwrizoyme oti eginan kinhtopoihseis kai persi kai alles xronies. Ayto poy gnwrizoyme, epishs, einai oti mas epitassei to kaqhkon na mhn parameinoyme fetos apaqeis, giati eidame oti oi ryqmiseis poy isxyan persi h alles xronies den htan apotelesmatikes. H politeia, loipon, me bash thn empeiria twn prohgoymenwn xronwn -kai exoyme ayth thn eyelijia giati qeloyme na eimaste apotelesmatikoi, praktikoi, den omfaloskopoyme- phrame ayth thn prwtoboylia, gia na dwsoyme lysh sto problhma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eyelijia;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, otan h dyskinhsia poy xarakthrize thn prohgoymenh ryqmish odhghse se telma, thn prohgoymenh sxolikh periodo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi Dieyqyntes twn sxolikwn monadwn den anelambanan th sxetikh prwtoboylia. Gi ayto milw peri dyskinhsias kai eyelijias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai meqodoi oloklhrwtikes.

REPPAS: Ayta ta apanthsame. Afhste tis oloklhrwtikes meqodoys. Na tis anazhthsete stoy Makrygiannh metajy ekeinwn oi opoioi ekpempoyn dixastika kai misallodoja synqhmata.

FILHS: Ti apantate se aytoys poy lene oti h kybernhsh proxwrhse me qeamatiko tropo sthn epibolh aytoy toy metroy kai oxi me thn kanonikh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, giati hqele na dhmioyrghsei mia aisqhsh pygmhs kai na apeyqynqei pronomiaka se synthrhtikoys chfoforoys, toys opoioys exei anagkh, enocei eklogwn. Dhladh, oti htan mia epilogh eklogikoy xarakthra kai oxi gia thn Paideia.

REPPAS: Ayth h epilogh den afora tipota allo para thn omalh leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Den exei opoiadhpote allh skopimothta ypoch ths h kybernhsh. Ayto to opoio thn endiaferei einai na leitoyrghsoyn ta sxoleia kai oi maqhtes na didaskontai kanonika ta maqhmata toys xwris diakoph kai empodia, meta ta osa gnwrizoyme oti eginan persi. Den yparxei tipota allo. Ayto prepei na einai safes. Den prokeitai peri qeamatikhs prwtoboylias. Isa-isa to "ektakto" kai "epeigon" poy periexetai se aytoy toy eidoys thn epilogh, fainetai apo to oti proxwrhsame me prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy kai den akoloyqhsame thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, h opoia apaitei xrono. Qa htan polyteleia na parameinoyme gia arketes hmeres parathrhtes twn ejelijewn sta sxoleia. Eprepe na fanoyme promhqeis kai fanhkame promhqeis.

FILHS: Epimhqeis mallon;

REPPAS: Etsi lete eseis. Epimhqeis einai mallon ekeinoi, opws ki eseis, poy qeloyn na epanalhfqei to persino montelo. Na janaginoyn zhmies, na xaqoyn wres didaskalias kai ek twn ysterwn, kanontas apotimhsh olwn aytwn twn dysmenwn, arnhtikwn synepeiwn, na bgaloyn symperasmata gia na paroyme kapoia metra. Oxi. Ta metra qa ta paroyme prin gia na mhn exoyme kai fetos dysmenh apotelesmata.

FILHS: Meta tis katalhceis phrate ta metra. Giati den ta phrate apo to kalokairi;

REPPAS: To fainomeno ayto arxise na ekdhlwnetai kai deijame amesh, apofasistikh kai apotelesmatikh antimetwpish.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Etzebit egine safhs, aperrice oysiastika th Xagh gia ta qemata toy Aigaioy kai milaei oti ta qemata ayta prepei na lyqoyn mono me dialogo. Apo thn allh, o k. Gilmaz apeilei oti an h Ellada qesei beto sto Elsinki, piqanotata na odhghqoyme kai se polemo. Kai triton, ta prwta mhnymata apo th Nea Yorkh einai arnhtika, ejaitias ths epiqymias toy Ntenktas na anagnwristei prwta to ceydokratos kai meta na synexistoyn oi synomilies kai piqanws na arnhqei na parameinei kai stis synomilies. Qa hqela to sxolio sas ep aytwn;

REPPAS: Oson afora tis syzhthseis gia to Kypriako, gnwrizete poly kala oti ta dikhn aithmatos qemata poy eqese o k. Ntenktas den eginan apodekta apo to Geniko Grammatea toy OHE. Qemata poy aforoyn to status toy k. Ntenktas h thn anazhthsh lyshs mesw ths synomospondias, gnwrizete poly kala oti den egine dekto na teqoyn sto trapezi pros syzhthsh, sthn enarjh twn synomiliwn. Ayto einai mia qetikh endeijh. Anamenetai h synexeia gia na bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas. Parakalw, na mhn eimaste prokateilhmmenoi. Na mhn eimaste, logw ths empeirias toy parelqontos, arnhtikoi se ayto gia to opoio ginetai prospaqeia na antimetwpistei. Ginetai prospaqeia na antimetwpistei to kypriako problhma, mesw twn synomiliwn. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oi synomilies aytes prepei na einai oysiastikes. Mporei na einai oysiastikes kai apotelesmatikes. Oson afora tis dhlwseis Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn, epanalambanoyn tis kakes stigmes ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias. Oi Toyrkoi hgetes me tis dhlwseis aytes xrwmatizoyn arnhtika thn prospaqeia poy kanei h xwra toys kai h Ellada kai h E. E. gia na antimetwpisoyn ena qema to opoio einai shmantiko, opws ayto poy afora thn apokthsh apo thn Toyrkia ths idiothtas ths ws ypochfias pros entajh sthn E. E. xwras. Oi dhlwseis twn Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn prepei na ginontai se ena allo mhkos kymatos. Kai ayto qa to anamenoyme, giati pisteyoyme oti ayto apaitoyn shmera oi peristaseis. Den prepei na rixnoyme "ladi sth fwtia", poly perissotero otan se qewrhtiko toylaxiston epipedo, oloi dhlwnoyn oti ergazomaste pros thn idia kateyqynsh. Menei, omws, na apodeixqei, pws ergazetai o kaqenas.

PARIS: Kata kairoys, ginontai diafores eisaggelikes ereynes gia dhmosioys organismoys, yphresies I. D. kai diafora alla. To parelqon kai h empeiria, mexri shmera einai, enw oi agwges einai pompwdeis kai miloyn gia kakoyrghmata, telika oles aytes oi ypoqeseis katalhgoyn maqhmatika sto arxeio. Apo kapoio reportaz poy kaname emeis kai h twrinh agwgh h opoia exei ginei gia ton OTE, gia thn INTRAKOM, den yparxoyn oi apoxrwses endeijeis, oi opoies qa feroyn kapoio apotelesma sthn eisaggelikh ereyna. Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Me dedomeno to oti h Dikaiosynh einai anejarthth, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh ayto to gegonos h oi eisaggelikes arxes den exoyn th dynatothta kai thn ikanothta na cajoyn toso sobara qemata; Sas qymizw gia paradeigma, thn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Den bghke tipota. Yparxoyn pleistes tetoies periptwseis.

REPPAS: H Dikaiosynh exei to rolo ths se mia syntetagmenh politeia. Ayto to opoio emeis apodokimazoyme einai oi diwjeis aytoy toy xarakthra na jekinoyn apo politikh skopimothta. H N. D., en prokeimenw, einai ayth poy shkwnei mia sygkekrimenh shmaia kai qewrei oti qa prepei tis dioikhseis twn megalwn organismwn na tis askoyn oi armodioi ypo ton peleky ths Dikaiosynhs. Opoy yparxei sygkekrimenh ajiopoinh prajh, asfalws ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs exoyn to logo. Alla, ayto apexei poly apo to na diatypwnoyme genikws kai aoristws kathgories, me apotelesma na yponomeyoyme thn anaptyjiakh, ependytikh, eksygxronistikh poreia aytwn twn megalwn organismwn. O OTE einai h kyria ependytikh "mhxanh" ths xwras. Ta ELTA exoyn ginei pleonasmatika, enw htan elleimmatika epi polla xronia. Ayto den prepei na diafeygei apo kanenan. Apo th stigmh poy exei epilhfqei h Dikaiosynh, emeis epiqymoyme na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths, to taxytero dynato. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Asfalws, h Dikaiosynh qa ekdwsei to porisma ths. Emeis den qa ekferoyme dikastikh krish. Omws, ayto prepei na ginei to syntomotero dynato, gia na mh briskontai se ena eidos omhrias oi organismoi aytoi. Qa prepei h taktikh anakrish na oloklhrwqei to syntomotero dynato kai na lamcei h alhqeia. An exei kapoios eyqynh, na toy apodoqoyn oi eyqynes. An, omws, den yparxei otidhpote to opoio na synista parabash h parabiash, oi organismoi qa prepei na afeqoyn aperispastoi na synexisoyn to ergo toys. Den exw na pw tipota allo, ayth thn wra toylaxiston.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H albanikh kybernhsh, ton teleytaio kairo, proxwra sthn arpagh, mporoyme na poyme, perioysiwn Ellhnwn omogenwn ekei, tis opoies dinei se Albanoys, me stoxo na alloiwsei tis perioxes aytes poy einai perissoteroi Ellhnes. Ti exete na peite gi ayto;

REPPAS: Tetoia fainomena exoyn epishmanqei kai exoyn teqei ypoch ths albanikhs kybernhshs. Ta parakoloyqoyme apo poly konta, apoteloyn gia mas meizon zhthma. Prepei mono na kanw mia parathrhsh: Yparxoyn kai polles periptwseis, opoy oi armodies kratikes arxes kai ta dikasthria ths Albanias proxwroyn se apallotriwseis, prokeimenoy na ginoyn megala dhmosia erga. Kai sto plaisio twn apallotriwsewn qigontai kai idiwtikes perioysies politwn poy zoyn se aytes tis perioxes. Epeidh sthn pleionothta toys einai meionotikoi, einai Ellhnes Boreiohpeirwtes, qigontai oi perioysies toys. Qa prepei na ginei mia diakrish, giati to zhthma einai lepto, anamesa stis anagkaies apallotriwseis gia megala erga, ta opoia kai emeis xrhmatodotoyme -to zhtoyn oi idioi oi meionotikoi, oi Ellhnes na ginoyn ayta ta megala erga- kai stis skopimes ekeines energeies twn organwn toy albanikoy kratoys h isws kai ths albanikhs dikaiosynhs, poy odhgoyn se afairesh twn perioysiakwn stoixeiwn apo Ellhnes. To qema ayto to parakoloyqoyme poly stena. Den mporw na pw tipote allo, ayth thn wra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egine mia diamartyria, xqes, apo 15...

REPPAS: Prepei na sas enhmerwsw oti to qema ayto to eqese h "OMONOIA", to eqesan oi Ellhnes meionotikoi ston idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, kata thn episkech toy sthn Albania. Peran toy presbh mas sthn Albania, to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas asxoleitai me ayto to qema, to parakoloyqei poly stena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eseis to phgate sta dhmosia erga. Egw sas eipa gia perioysies. Pairnoyn spitia, oikopeda, xwrafia.

REPPAS: Htan safhs h orioqethsh poy ekana. Ekana ayth thn parathrhsh. Den prokeitai peri aytoy...

STAMATOPOYLOS: To phgate sta dhmosia erga.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala ti eipa.

PARIS: Na epanelqw sthn erwthsh poy sas ekana, prin. Den sas rwthsa an yparxei politikh skopimothta pisw apo tis diwjeis. Sas rwthsa, ean problhmatizei thn kybernhsh, to gegonos oti oi eisaggelikes arxes, otan kanoyn agwges pros tetoioys organismoys, opws einai o OTE, to Xrhmatisthrio, h INTRAKOM, opws htan sto parelqon para polles epixeirhseis, jekinoyn tis diwjeis, sthn eisaggelikh ereyna me kakoyrghmatikes prajeis kai epaneilhmmena oi ypoqeseis aytes katalhgoyn sto arxeio. Prokeitai gia mia katastash h opoia synexizetai gia para polla xronia. Exoyn th dynatothta oi eisaggelikes arxes na kanoyn toso megales ereynes;

REPPAS: Asfalws, exoyn th dynatothta oi eisaggelikes arxes. Ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, gnwrizete poly kala, oti den einai dynato na parempodistoyn sto ergo toys. Den ginetai ayto. Apo thn allh, epishmainw ki egw ayto to fainomeno, to opoio omws afora ta MME, den afora emas. Asfalws, oi diwjeis ginontai me tropo pompwdh kai entypwsiako. Apo thn allh, h ejelijh aytwn twn diwjewn, synhqws den parakoloyqeitai. Ki otan oi ypoqeseis, oi fakeloi aytoi tiqentai sto arxeio, oydeis asxoleitai pleon. Alla, mporei na exei dhmioyrghqei ena problhma, en tw metajy, gia th leitoyrgia sygkekrimenwn organismwn h gia proswpa ta opoia qigontai. Kalo einai, loipon, na eimaste oloi pio ypeyqynoi kai bebaiws, as afhsoyme ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, toys endiaferomenoys, ekei poy yparxoyn problhmata na parembainoyn. Den qa prepei na metatrepoyme se pedio politikhs kai kommatikhs antidikias th leitoyrgia twn organismwn toy Dhmosioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo th dikografia bgainei, k. Ypoyrge. Oi dhmosiografoi ta kanoyn;

REPPAS: Exete eseis, opoioi kata kairoys grafete gia thn askhsh mias diwjhs, parakoloyqhsei thn poreia ths anakrishs twn ereynwn;

PARIS: Apolyta.

REPPAS: Kai dinete ton idio xwro h thn idia emfash otan h ypoqesh ayth katalhgei sto arxeio; Den to kanete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Parapempetai gia kakoyrghma kai meta phgainei sto arxeio.

REPPAS: Ara, opws grafete pompwdws oti kapoios kathgoreitai gia kakoyrghmatikh prajh, to idio entypwsiaka qa prepei na enhmerwsete ton anagnwsth sas oti o kapote kathgorhqeis apallaxthke me boyleyma kai h ypoqesh ayth odhghqhke sto arxeio. Ayto den to grafete, omws, kai oi polites den enhmerwnontai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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