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Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-12-02

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Dekembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Shmera o Prwqypoyrgos ths Filandias k. Liponen, poy proedreyei toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy kai episkeptetai thn Ellada, qa exei synanthsh kai syzhthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, stis 3.30 to apogeyma. Meta to peras twn syzhthsewn -poy opws mporw na ektimhsw qa oloklhrwqoyn gyrw stis 5.30- oi dyo Prwqypoyrgoi qa proboyn se dhlwseis.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Mas xwrizei mono mia ebdomada apo th Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki. Se oti afora thn Toyrkia, exei jekaqaristei oti pleon h idia den einai diateqeimenh na dwsei otidhpote. Prosdoka h Aqhna kati, sth diarkeia ths Synodoy, opws gia paradeigma mia dhlwsh gia thn apemplokh ths Kyproy apo thn omhria ths Toyrkias; Exei jekaqarisei h kybernhsh me ti xartia paei sto Elsinki h thn teleytaia wra qa jekaqarisei th qesh ths;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh ergazetai, opws kai alles xwres ths E. E., prokeimenoy to qema ths dieyrynshs na antimetwpistei symfwna me tis arxes kai toys kanones basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei h E. E. Sto plaisio ayto o eyrwpaikos prosanatolismos ths Toyrkias kai h apokthsh ths idiothtas ths ypochfias pros entajh sthn E. E. xwras, einai qema to opoio qa apasxolhsei th Synodo Koryfhs. To antimetwpizoyme katarxhn qetika kai pisteyoyme, h apofash poy qa lhfqei na enarmonizetai me to plaisio arxwn, me bash tis opoies leitoyrgei h E. E. To qema ayto oi hgetes ths E. E. qa to antimetwpisoyn, opws ekanan kai se analoges periptwseis sto parelqon, me bash ola ekeina ta stoixeia poy synistoyn kai to gnwrisma me to opoio gia polla xronia leitoyrgei kai prepei na synexisei na leitoyrgei h E. E. H Toyrkia, mexri twra, exei mia stash h opoia den fainetai na antapokrinetai sto plaisio ayto. Menei na apofasisei h E. E. gia thn telikh qesh ths. Enocei ths synanthshs twn dyo hgetwn, se liges wres, nomizw oti den epitrepetai na epektaqoyme perissotero sto qema. Arkoymai mono na pw -kai etsi kleinw thn apanthsh moy- oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh gnwrizei poly kala poio einai to plaisio entos toy opoioy qa kinhqei. Einai apolyta jekaqarismeno gia mas ti einai ayto to opoio epidiwkoyme, ti einai ayto to opoio prepei na prohghqei, prokeimenoy na diamorfwqoyn oi proypoqeseis kai oi synqhkes, wste na epiteyxqei ayto poy oloi epiqymoyme: Apofash gia th mellontikh dieyrynsh ths E. E., h opoia metajy twn allwn qa perilambanei kai thn apodosh sthn Toyrkia toy xarakthrismoy ths ypochfias pros entajh xwras. Oi meres poy apomenoyn, para to oti, opws eipate, einai liges, einai taytoxronws kai arketes gia na ginei akomh pollh doyleia, prokeimenoy na exoyme ena qetiko apotelesma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws ayto to plaisio poy qa kinhqei h kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na to gnwstopoihsei kai stoys politikoys arxhgoys;

REPPAS: Den problepontai sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy synanthseis me toys alloys politikoys arxhgoys gia to qema ayto. H ejwterikh politikh askeitai me bash qeseis poy pagiws exoyme diatypwsei. Den exei allajei tipota ws pros ayto. Paramenoyme se ayth thn politikh kai me ayth thn politikh proserxetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh stis syzhthseis me tis alles xwres ths E. E..

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

REPPAS: Exei syzhthsei ta qemata ayta o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, sto plaisio twn syxnotatwn synergasiwn toys.

BITSENTSOY: To plaisio arxwn ths E. E. peri "dieyrynshs" sto opoio anaferqhkate kai eipate oti to apodexeste, den problepei kapoia eidika antallagmata prokeimenoy na apodoqei se mia xwra kaqestws ypochfiothtas. Oi oroi den tiqentai meta ton xarakthrismo... Ara ti prepei na prohghqei;

REPPAS: Den anamenoyme antallagmata apo thn Toyrkia. Ayto to exoyme aposafhnisei.

BITSENTSOY: Ara ayto poy lete, oti einai jekaqaro to ti prepei na prohghqei to perimenete apo toys etairoys kai oxi apo thn Toyrkia.

REPPAS: Oi etairoi mas asfalws, sto plaisio twn synennohsewn poy exoyme, prepei na dextoyn oti oi kanones me toys opoioys leitoyrgei h E. E. prepei synexws na epibebaiwnontai. Kai na epibebaiwnontai sthn prajh. Gia ton tropo me ton opoio antimetwpizontai ta problhmata metajy twn xwrwn, oso kai gia tis diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai otan prokyptoyn fainomena entashs kai tribwn. Gia ola ayta ta qemata h E. E. exei ena plaisio arxwn kai kanonwn, poy prepei kai pali na ginei sebasto.

BITSENTSOY: Epeidh yparxei problech sthn "Atzenta 2000", eseis zhtate twra thn anaqewrhsh aytwn twn keimenwn;

REPPAS: Zhtoyme thn epibebaiwsh toys kai gia th sygkekrimenh periptwsh, giati h epibebaiwsh ayth apotelei stoixeio ek twn wn oyk aney gia th leitoyrgia ths E. E.. Den nomizw na exei kapoia xwra dyskolia na dextei orismenoys basikoys kanones kai arxes, poy den einai tipota allo para h enarmonish ths xwras ayths me toys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy. H Toyrkia, den prepei na exei problhma na anagnwrisei pws oi opoies diafores qewrei oti yparxoyn, prepei na antimetwpizontai me eirhnika, politika kai diplwmatika mesa kai oxi me mia proklhtikh, epiqetikh stash, thn opoia kat epanalhch exei ekdhlwsei. Anaferw mono ena paradeigma. Apo kai kei pera epanalambanw oti einai orqo, ayth thn wra, poy akoma einai se ejelijh oi syzhthseis, na parameinoyme se aytes tis qeseis, se ayto to plaisio. Qa isodynamei me ekoysio afoplismo -to epanalambanw- to na poyme dhmosiws, twra, ola osa skeptomaste, enw thn epomenh bdomada prokeitai na ginoyn poly shmantikes syzhthseis gia to qema ayto. Gnwrizoyme, omws, para poly kala ti einai ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon, alla bebaiws kai to symferon ths E. E. Giati h prooptikh ths E. E. ws mias enwshs xwrwn poy leitoyrgei me bash arxes kai kanones mas endiaferei idiaiterws.

PODHMATA: Qelw na rwthsw gia dyo qemata: Prwton, ean problepetai mexri th Synodo Koryfhs toy Elsinki na syzhthqei to qema ths ellhnikhs stashs se alla -eite kybernhtika eite kommatika- organa. Kai deyteron, ean metajy twn enallaktikwn protasewn poy ejetazei h kybernhsh einai kai to endexomeno na zhthsei anabolh sth lhch apofashs, gia thn epomenh Synodo Koryfhs.

REPPAS: Oson afora, to deytero erwthma sas, den mas exei apasxolhsei tetoio qema. Gnwrizete oti h E. E. exei kaqorisei thn atzenta twn qematwn ta opoia qa apasxolhsoyn ayth th Synodo Koryfhs. Paramenoyme se ayth th qematologia. Oson afora to prwto erwthma sas, ypenqymizw oti exei synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai exei labei sygkekrimenh qesh. To idio qema exei apasxolhsei ta organa toy Kinhmatos, to Ektelestiko Grafeio. Den apokleietai thn epomenh ebdomada, prin apo th Synodo Koryfhs, na synedriasei kai pali kybernhtiko organo, gia to idio qema. Den apokleietai.

FILHS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia th diapragmateysh poy diejagetai sto Siatl, entos kai ektos; Dhladh, entos, gia tis kybernhseis poy syzhtoyn -yparxoyn kapoia qemata ellhnikoy endiaferontos- alla kai, ektos, gia th diadhlwsh xiliadwn politwn.

REPPAS: O Pagkosmios Organismos Emporioy einai xrhsimos. Oi synqhkes poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei epiballoyn tetoioy eidoys qesmoys gia th synennohsh twn kratwn se pagkosmio epipedo. Qa prepei na lhfqei ypoch, sto plaisio ayths ths diaskechs, h idiaiterothta twn xwrwn, idiaiterws ston politistiko tomea. Den qa prepei na lhfqoyn apofaseis kai na akoloyqoyntai politikes poy odhgoyn se apallotriwsh twn idiaiterwn xarakthristikwn kaqe kratoys, kaqe laoy. Den qa prepei na odhghqoyme se mia omoiomorfia en onomati ths pagkosmiopoihshs. Ayth einai h qesh thn opoia pantote diatypwnoyme. To kanoyme kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh me grapta keimena mas.

Oson afora tis ekdhlwseis twn politwn, sto periqwrio me aformh ayth th diaskech, arkoymai na pw oti to kinhma twn politwn, etsi opws ekdhlwqhke gia th sygkekrimenh diaskech, apokalyptei thn eyaisqhsia poy exoyn para polloi polites gia qemata ta opoia qa kaqorizoyn th zwh toys ta epomena xronia. Emeis antilambanomaste ayth thn eyaisqhsia, para to oti, taytoxronws, den agnooyme tis anagkes poy exoyn prokycei logw twn ejelijewn sthn agora kai tis sygxrones koinwnies se olo ton kosmo. Qa mpw, omws, kai ston peirasmo na kanw ena sxolio gia ton tropo me ton opoion antimetwpizontai oi diadhlwtes, alla kai gia ayto to idio to fainomeno ths anaptyjhs twn diadhlwsewn, epeidh eixame prosfata thn episkech toy Amerikanoy Proedroy sthn Ellada. Qa pw, loipon, oti gia mia akomh fora, apodeiknyetai oti h Ellada den prepei na brisketai sto stoxastro dynamewn, kaqe fora poy Ellhnes polites anaptyssoyn tis apoceis toys h diekdikoyn th lysh twn aithmatwn toys. Qa prepei na ginei sebasto ayto to dikaiwma. Kai einai ena poly kalo maqhma ayto to opoio prokyptei apo tis kinhtopoihseis sto Siatl. Ena para poly kalo maqhma gia to pws prepei na antimetwpizontai ta qemata dhmokratias, gia to oti prepei na antimetwpizontai me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia.

FILHS: Synepws den symmerizeste thn epixeirhmatologia oti oi kinhtopoihseis empraktws anetrepan to plaisio filojenias sth xwra mas toy Amerikanoy epishmoy;

REPPAS: Oi kinhtopoihseis genikws oxi. Oi epiqeseis enantion astynomikwn organwn asfalws den einai tipota allo para paranomes prajeis, oi opoies den eprepe na ginoyn. Einai allo to ena, allo to allo.

FILHS: Eixate pei oti oi kinhtopoihseis pros thn amerikanikh presbeia....

REPPAS: Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh.

FILHS: Pisteyete oti oi kinhtopoihseis politwn enantion toy Pagkosmioy Organismoy Emporioy, ston opoio symmetexei kai h Ellada, synistoyn analogo politiko problhma, dhladh, elleich kalwn tropwn filojenias ek meroys ths Amerikhs;

REPPAS: Apo poy prokyptei oti yioqetoyme paranomes energeies, estw ki an mesw aytwn epixeireitai na prowqhqei mia dikaih ypoqesh, ena nomimo aithma; Apo poy prokyptei ayto; Exoyme to pleonekthma -mia kai anaferqhkate sta epeisodia poy eginan kata thn episkech toy Amerikanoy Proedroy sthn Ellada- na miloyme gi ayta ta gegonota, ek twn ysterwn, gnwrizontas pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata. Gnwrizontas, dhladh, oti kapoies dynameis prospaqhsan na spasoyn ton astynomiko kloio. Einai aytes poy dhmioyrghsan ta epeisodia. Ara, mporoyme na ektimhsoyme basima oti yphrxan kai yparxoyn dynameis sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, poy se tetoies periptwseis epidiwkoyn th dhmioyrgia epeisodiwn, probainontas se paranomes prajeis. Ayto apodeixqhke.

FILHS: Sto Siatl den einai oyranokatebata ta epeisodia.

REPPAS: Sebomaste to dikaiwma ekeinwn poy qeloyn na diadhlwsoyn eleyqera tis apoceis toys. Alla, ayto de shmainei pws yioqetoyme paranomes energeies, sto plaisio aytwn twn diadhlwsewn. Ayta einai safh, einai jekaqarismena.

FILHS: To maqhma poy eipate nwritera se poion apeyqynetai;

REPPAS: Se opoiondhpote qewrei oti h Ellada einai xwra, sthn opoia tetoioy eidoys fainomena mporei na apoteloyn paqologikh ptyxh sth leitoyrgia ths Dhmokratias mas. Kaqe allo. Einai h fysiologia ths Dhmokratias mas.

KWSTANTINIDHS: Ayrio, sth Nea Yorkh, arxizoyn oi ek toy syneggys synomilies gia to Kypriako. O Ntenktas einai adiallaktos kai zhta epimonws anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys kai h Toyrkia einai arnhtikh. Dierwtwmai, mesa se ena tetoio arnhtiko klima, ti qetiko mporei na prokycei gia thn Kypro; REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei, kat epanalhch. H ellhnikh kai h kypriakh kybernhsh exoyn epidiwjei na ginoyn aytes oi synomilies. Ayth h qesh yioqethqhke. Oi synomilies jekinoyn. Epiqymoyme na einai oysiastikes, na epektaqoyn se oles tis ptyxes toy kypriakoy problhmatos kai na apodwsoyn sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Qa anamenoyme, gia na bgaloyme to teliko symperasma mas, thn ejelijh toys. Den prepei na prodikasoyme to apotelesma toys. Qa einai oleqrio laqos na kanoyme kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati h kybernhsh katargei to nomo gia th "diafaneia" poy eixe chfisei, prin apo dyo mhnes;

REPPAS: Se ti anafereste;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se tropologia poy katateqhke sth Boylh kai katargei to nomo poy eixe chfisei to Septembrio.

REPPAS: Mporeite na eiste pio sygkekrimenos; Mporeite na diabasete th sxetikh diatajh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den thn exw mprosta moy.

REPPAS: Prepei na me bohqhsete gia na dw ki egw se ti anafereste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn ypografoyn pente Ypoyrgoi, den jerete th diatajh;

REPPAS: Ma, eseis isxyrizeste oti katargeitai h diafaneia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H tropologia poy kataqesate...

REPPAS: Diabaste thn, loipon, na doyme an leei ayto h tropologia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa thn ferw ayrio.

REPPAS: Tote, kanete ayrio thn erwthsh. Pantws, xairomai poy anagnwrizete oti exoyme chfisei nomo gia th diafaneia. Den symfwnoyme oti anakaleitai ayth h diatajh. Afoy melethsete th sygkekrimenh diatajh, pisteyw oti den qa epiqymeite na epanelqete sto qema me sygkekrimenh erwthsh.

MIXAHL: Gia ta osa eipe xqes o k. Karamanlhs, sxetika me tis proqeseis toy gia to xrono twn eklogwn, gia to ti qa kanei me thn eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias, qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: O k. Karamanlhs exei pei oti sto telos Ianoyarioy qa kanei gnwsth epishmws kai dhmosiws th qesh toy kommatos toy. Lypoymaste giati, prokeimenoy na katalhjei se mia sygkekrimenh qesh, o k. Karamanlhs -opws exei apodeixqei- prokeitai na labei ypoch toy, kyriws, to kommatiko symferon. Ayto to krithrio pisteyoyme oti einai ypodeestero. Den prepei na einai ayto poy qa prytaneyei, prokeimenoy ta kommata, gia toso shmantika zhthmata, na pairnoyn tis apofaseis toys. Lypoymaste gi ayth th stash. Poly perissotero, otan thn epomenh periodo h Ellada qa prepei na asxolhqei me thn oloklhrwsh ths prospaqeias mas gia thn entajh sthn ONE. Otan qa prepei na eklejoyme Proedro Dhmokratias. H Ellada exei ajio Proedro Dhmokratias. H Boylh mporei kai prepei na eklejei ton k. Stefanopoylo gia mia nea qhteia. Apo thn wra poy, oloi anagnwrizoyme oti askei acoga ta kaqhkonta toy, den yparxoyn dilhmmata gia thn epilogh twn kommatwn. H N. D., omws, ola ayta prospaqei na ta topoqethsei kai na ta ejetasei ypo to prisma twn kommatikwn sxediasmwn ths. Gi ayto thn kataggelloyme, giati den einai antajia ths eyqynhs poy prepei na exei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, apenanti se megala eqnika, politika kai qesmika zhthmata.

FILHS: Sto keimeno toy mnhmonioy poy ypegrafh metajy Elladas kai HPA, stis arxes toy 1998 kai kateteqh, pros kyrwsh sth Boylh, aytes tis hmeres, diatypwnetai h ejhs "problech": Oti gia tis anagkes toy parontos mnhmonioy h synergasia sth balkanikh perioxh, metajy Elladas kai HPA, den symperilambanei th Gioygkoslabikh Omospondia. Perilambanei ta alla krath twn Balkaniwn onomastika, alla den yparxei h Gioygkoslabikh Omospondia. Ayto exei ginei stis arxes toy 1998. Dhladh, enamish xrono prin ginei o polemos toy NATO enantion ths Gioygkoslabias. Poia skopimothta einai ekeinh poy ekane thn Ellada na apodexqei mia tetoia perioristikh antilhch peri twn Balkaniwn kai na apokleisei mia xwra apo th balkanikh synergasia, gia qemata texnologias. Epishs, qa hqela na gnwrizw ean ayth h symfwnia poy anaferei, pws ta symballomena melh qa symfwnhsoyn sto mellon na symperilaboyn kai kapoia allh xwra ths perioxhs -ayth einai h genikh diatypwsh- yponoei kata thn ellhnikh apoch kai kaqe allh nea xwra sthn perioxh.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola den yparxei qema periorismoy. Gnwrizete oti oi symfwnies prokyptoyn otan ola ta merh, ta opoia syzhtoyn gia ena qema, symfwnoyn. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh oi HPA exoyn mia diaforetikh proseggish. Ayto to gnwrizete. Problhmata, logw ths krishs poy ekdhlwqhke thn teleytaia periodo sth Gioygkoslabia, antimetwpizoyn kai alles balkanikes xwres. Ypenqymizw oti, toylaxiston, mexri twra, den egine katorqwto na synelqei h 3h Synodos twn balkanikwn xwrwn. Metajy twn allwn ayto einai ena shmantiko problhma, to opoio mas apasxolei.

Emeis, oson afora th Gioygkoslabia, kat` epanalhch -monoi mas h me alles xwres- exoyme analabei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy kai ayth h xwra na ginei dekth stis dieqneis synergasies, na stamathsei seira metrwn embargo poy ths exoyn epiblhqei kai na anagnwrizetai ws xwra, me ta dikaiwmata kai tis ypoxrewseis poy exoyn kai oi alles xwres twn Balkaniwn. To oti oi HPA exoyn mia allh proseggish einai qema dikhs toys politikhs. Den qa kaqorisoyme thn politikh twn HPA. Ayto den shmainei, omws, oti qa prepei na arnhqoyme th synergasia me tis HPA h alles xwres, ekei opoy symfwnoyme. Asfalws, qa ajiopoihsoyme th dynatothta ths symporeyshs sto baqmo poy symfwnoyn kai oi dyo pleyres. Ekei poy prokyptei diafwnia, h kaqe xwra qa akoloyqhsei th dikh ths diaforetikh politikh. Ayto kanoyme kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. To endexomeno dieyrynshs ths synergasias ayths afora th Gioygkoslabia. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste. Ta synora den allazoyn sta Balkania. H Gioygkoslabia einai xwra ths Notianatolikhs Eyrwphs kai twn Balkaniwn. H qesh mas paramenei staqerh kai ergazomaste pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. H Gioygkoslabia prepei kai pali na epanelqei sto trapezi poy syzhtoyntai ta qemata twn Balkaniwn kai alla dieqnh qemata kai na symmetexei isotima, opws kai oi alles xwres ths perioxhs. Ayth einai h jekaqarh qesh mas.

FILHS: Protiqeste na anakoinwsete syntomws to neo Proedro toy Radiothleoptikoy Symboylioy h qa perimenete th syzhthsh sth Boylh, sthn armodia Epitroph Diafaneias;

REPPAS: O Proedros toy Eqnikoy Radiothleoptikoy Symboylioy proteinetai apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs. Qa enhmerwqw apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs, doqentos oti epishmws den exw enhmerwqei eidikws gia thn paraithsh toy k. Soyrla. O Proedros ths Boylhs, otan diatypwsei thn protash toy qa moy dwsei th dynatothta na parw thn telikh apofash kai na diorisw ayton ton opoio qa moy proteinei.

FILHS: Exete kapoia sxedia gia thn anamorfwsh toy ESR;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti anamenoyme thn ekdosh apofashs toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, meta thn prosfygh se ayto toy DHKKI, gia qemata poy aforoyn ton tropo sygkrothshs, synqeshs toy ESR. Pisteyw oti den einai politika orqo na proboyme se opoiesdhpote ryqmiseis poy aforoyn to ESR, enw anamenoyme thn ekdosh ths apofashs ayths. Mporei h apofash na anatrepei ayto poy qa ryqmisoyme emeis kai na xreiazetai na pame se nees ryqmiseis. Ara, einai orqo na ajiopoihsoyme ekeinh th stigmh, poy qa ekdoqei ayth h apofash -pisteyw ayto na ginei syntoma- prokeimenoy etsi na analaboyme kai alles paremfereis prwtoboylies. H qeshs mas, pantws, einai h peraiterw enisxysh toy ESR, alla kai h ajiopoihsh apo thn pleyra toy twn armodiothtwn toy, wste na antapokriqei sthn apostolh toy.

FILHS: Dhmosieymata sas emfanizoyn kata ton enan h allon tropo na zhtate thn paraithsh kai toy deyteroy th tajei meloys toy Proedreioy toy D. S. toy ESR toy kaqhghth k. Manitakh. To epibebaiwnete ayto;

REPPAS: Oydemia paraithsh zhthsa apo opoiondhpote. Apo thn prwth stigmh lew oti ena stoixeio poy apodeiknyei thn proswpikh kai leitoyrgikh aytonomia toy Proedroy, toy anaplhrwth Proedroy kai twn melwn toy ESR, einai oti den ypokeintai se anaklhsh, paramenoyn ews to telos ths qhteias toys sto organo. Ayto deixnei oti den einai ekproswpoi twn arxwn, twn proswpwn h twn organwn (kommatwn) apo ta opoia ta melh ayta exoyn protaqei. Giati, prokeitai peri anejarthths arxhs me mia aytonomh leitoyrgia kai oxi peri diakommatikhs epitrophs. Den einai kommatiko h syndikalistiko organo to ESR.

Prepei, omws, na pw -kai exete ypoch sas eseis sxetika dhmosieymata- oti qema paraithsewn eqesan ta idia ta melh toy ESR kai o anaplhrwths Proedros. Ekeinoi milhsan peri paraithsewn. Dikhn apeilhs pros to Ypoyrgeio; Den to gnwrizw. Alla, qema paraithsewn eqesan ekeinoi. Enapokeitai se ekeinoys na epilejoyn ti qa kanoyn. Einai diko toys qema. Oydolws mas afora.

FILHS: Ta peri paragontikhs leitoyrgias, poy eixate ejapolysei pro hmerwn, aforoyn ta sygkekrimena proswpa h alloys;

REPPAS: Aforoyn to ESR, ypo thn ennoia oti einai h monh anejarthth arxh, h opoia -monh ayth, metajy olwn twn anejarthtwn dioikhtikwn arxwn- exei kaqierwsei ena systhma, kaqe ebdomada na dinei synenteyjeis. Ayth h prospaqeia probolhs h dhmosiothtas den synhqizetai se tetoioy eidoys organa kai projenei entypwsh. Poly perissotero, otan exoyme ekdosh anakoinwsewn apo ta Grafeia Typoy kommatwn. Ayta einai prwtofanh pragmata.

FILHS: Sas problhmatizei oti efhmerides kai dhmosiografoi, oi opoioi kaqe allo mporei na kathgorhqoyn gia merolhptikh stash enanti ths kybernhshs, apodidoyn se esas thn eyqynh gia thn krish sto ESR kai idiaitera lene, oti gia proeklogikoys logoys, proxwrhsate se ryqmiseis gia ta kanalia;

REPPAS: Prwton, yparxoyn para polloi dhmosiografoi, oi opoioi grafoyn gia sxetika qemata xwris na einai enhmeroi. Kai lypoymai giati para polloi grafoyn gia ta qemata ayta, xwris na epidiwjoyn mia diastayrwsh twn stoixeiwn kai twn plhroforiwn toys, xwris na apeyqynqoyn kai se emas. Egw den epediwja pote -kai den prokeitai na to kanw- na parembw sto ergo twn dhmosiografwn.

Deyteron, den exw thn idia apoch me th dikh sas gia thn krish twn dhmosiografwn, toylaxiston twn perissoterwn h ekeinwn poy fainetai na gnwrizoyn to qema. Giati exei ginei fanero apo ta dhmosieymata, oti oydeis dexetai pws epitrepetai se ena kratos dikaioy h anadromikh epibolh kyrwsewn. Ayth thn arxh qa thn yperaspistw mexri teloys. Kai sto qema ayto poy apotelese to meizon kai oysiastiko shmeio diafwnias moy me to ESR den exw labei kamia apanthsh. To ESR ep aytoy toy qematos den exei topoqethqei. Dhladh, gia to an epitrepetai h oxi h anadromikh epibolh kyrwsewn. Egw lew oti den epitrepetai kai gia to logo ayto den kyrwsa ayth thn apofash toy ESR.

Oson afora twra, apofash toy ESR poy sxetizetai me thn epibolh prostimwn se thleoptikoys staqmoys, ayth exei kyrwqei kai ta prostima qa prepei na plhrwqoyn apo toys thleoptikoys staqmoys. Lypoymai, giati dinetai h entypwsh -kai apo kapoia melh toy ESR- oti egw den kyrwnw tis apofaseis aytes gia na mhn klhqoyn ta kanalia na katabaloyn kapoia xrhmatika posa. Ma, tis exw kyrwsei aytes tis apofaseis. Isa-isa, dexomai me skeptikismo thn epixeirhmatologia kapoiwn ek twn melwn toy ESR, oti aytes oi apofaseis einai akyrwsimes. Dinoyn ena shma, kata kapoion tropo, sta kanalia na prosfygoyn sta dikasthria kai na zhthsoyn na akyrwqoyn oi apofaseis. Ki etsi, egw poy exw epiballei ta prostima kai kalw ta kanalia na plhrwsoyn, kathgoroymai oti den qelw na epibarynw ta kanalia, enw kapoioi alloi paroysiazontai ws dhqen ejygiantes. Aytoi, dhladh, poy lene sta kanalia oti "oi apofaseis toy Ypoyrgoy gia ta prostima poy sas epebale einai akyrwsimes kai ajiopoieiste th dynatothta na tis akyrwsete". Ayta einai tragelafika pragmata. Egw den ta antilambanomai kai en pash periptwsei gnwrizete oti oydepote milhsa, xwris na erwthqw, xwris na proklhqw. Parakoloyqhsa olh ayth th dhmosiopoihsh apocewn ek meroys toy ESR, h opoia den egine pantote me orqo tropo kai h opoia se teleytaia analysh den synadei me to xarakthra mias anejarthths dioikhtikhs arxhs.

FILHS: Pantws, h dynatothta akyrwshs ths apofashs apodidetai sto gegonos oti eseis alloiwsate apofash toy ESR. Kyrwsate ena meros ths apofashs, xwris na sas dinei ayto to dikaiwma o nomos.

REPPAS: Den eiste enhmeros. To exoyme ejetasei ayto. Einai o isxyrismos, o opoios den eystaqei.

FILHS: Alloiwsate thn apofash h oxi;

REPPAS: Asfalws, oxi. Egw ekdidw thn telikh prajh, symfwna me ta osa problepei o n. 2644. Einai mia synqeth dioikhtikh energeia -kai yparxei sxetikh nomologia toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias epi toy qematos aytoy. Prwth prajh einai h apofash toy ESR kai h telikh prajh einai h ekdosh ths apofashs ayths apo emena ton idio. Egw exw ekdwsei tis apofaseis ekeines poy aforoyn thn epibolh prostimwn, oi opoies einai -meta ton elegxo nomimothtas poy egine- kaq ola synnomes kai mporei na epiblhqoyn. Kai exoyn epiblhqei. Ayto prepei na ginei fanero. Giati, oi perissoteroi poy grafoyn ta sxetika den gnwrizoyn oti exoyn epiblhqei ta prostima.

FILHS: Makari, kai ayth h prajh sas, k. Ypoyrge, na mhn kriqei apo to Symboylio ths Epikrateias, opws problepetai sta dhmosieymata oti to DHKKI qa apokleistei apo to ESR..

REPPAS: Ean den symbei ayto -giati egw eimai apolyta peismenos gia thn orqothta twn epixeirhmatwn mas- ti qa peite tote;

FILHS: Oti eixate dikio gia to qema ayto.

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti qa apodeixqei pws exoyme dikio. Giati prepei na sas pw -epeidh yparxei ki edw ena akomh laqos, to opoio profanws ofeiletai sthn elleich enhmerwshs- oti to DHKKI prosefyge sto StE, zhtwntas na exei ki ekeino th dynatothta na ypodeiknyei melh gia th sygkrothsh toy ESR. Asxolhqhke to E' Tmhma toy StE. To DHKKI kai kapoioi dhmosiografoi poy synexizoyn kai shmera na paroysiazoyn ayth thn ekdoxh, qewroyn oti dikaiwqhke h stash toys, epeidh to E' Tmhma toy StE eipe oti, pragmati, h synqesh toy ESR etsi opws ginetai den einai syntagmatika orqh kai ara o n. 2173/93 prepei na allajei. Omws, to E' Tmhma toy StE den eipe oti prepei na allajei epeidh den symperilambanetai to DHKKI. Eipe oti genikws den prepei na proteinontai ta melh toy ESR apo politika kommata, giati to ESR den einai tmhma ths nomoqetikhs ejoysias, ths Boylhs sthn opoia symmetexoyn ta kommata, alla einai organo ths Dioikhshs, enw ta kommata den einai organa ths Dioikhshs, toy kratoys kai ara ta melh toy prepei na diorizontai apo thn kybernhsh. Ayto eipe to StE. To teleiws antiqeto, dhladh, apo ayto to opoio isxyrizetai to DHKKI h ta alla kommata. Oi dhmosiografoi poy asxoloyntai me ayta ta qemata kalo einai na kanoyn mia prospaqeia na einai pio enhmerwmenoi. As perimenoyn na doyn ti qa pei to StE. Qa dikaiwsei to DHKKI h qa pei kati allo; Epeidh exoyme kataqesei sxetiko ypomnhma, pisteyw oti h apofash toy StE me thn opoia qa symmorfwqoyme, opws to exoyme pei edw kai poly kairo kai to epanalambanw...

FILHS: Qa symmorfwqeite giati den mporeite na kanete alliws.

REPPAS: Den prokeitai na to kanoyme, giati ayth einai h epilogh mas kai oxi giati den mporoyme na kanoyme alliws. Giati to epiqymoyme, giati einai h politikh epilogh mas.

FILHS: Eiste nomotaghs Ypoyrgos!

REPPAS: Elpizw, loipon, to idio nomotageis na einai kai ekeinoi poy exoyn kanei shmaia toys th nomimothta (!) kai qetoyn tis paraithseis toys ston Proedro ths Boylhs, otan exoyn dioristei apo mena. Giati ayto eite se agnoia twn qematwn ofeiletai, eite se mia kakopisth diaqesh apo thn pleyra toys. Kai sth mia kai sthn allh periptwsh exoyn eyqynh. Kai den mporoyn na miloyn gia nomimothta aytoi oi opoioi sthn prajh den thn apodeiknyoyn. Ayta na einai safh kai jekaqarismena. Me toys qesmoys den qa paijoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati katargeitai o elegxos toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy gia toys diagwnismoys poy aforoyn dhmosia erga kai promhqeies toy Dhmosioy kai malista anadromika;

REPPAS: Den katargeitai kanenas elegxos apo to Elegktiko Synedrio. O nomos poy exoyme chfisei einai prosfatos. Einai o nomos toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, ton eishghqhke o k. Benizelos. Gia ola ayta ta qemata epilambanetai to Elegktiko Synedrio toy Kratoys. Den yparxei opoiadhpote allagh, den yparxei opoiadhpote katarghsh ths diamesolabhshs toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy gia erga kai promhqeies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa ginei to Olympiako Xwrio;

REPPAS: Asfalws kai qa ginei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote, meta to 2004;

REPPAS: Moy qymizete oti h kybernhsh petyxe thn analhch apo thn Ellada ths diorganwshs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004. Xairomai poy twra ki eseis exete agwnia na petyxoyn oi Olympiakoi Agwnes toy 2004. Parakalw na bohqhsete me to na grafete thn alhqeia. O diagwnismos gia thn kataskeyh toy Olympiakoy Xwrioy htan kleistos diagwnismos. Kai epeidh diabazw oti h kataskeyh qa ginei me anaqesh, den prokeitai na ginei ayto. Qa ginei anoiktos diagwnismos. Enisxyoyme, dhladh, akomh perissotero tis diadikasies ths diafaneias poy akoloyqoyntai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh gia thn kataskeyh toy Olympiakoy Xwrioy kai ayto kriqhke aparaithto epeidh thn kataskeyh exei analabei pleon o Organismos Ergatikhs Katoikias, o gnwstos se oloys OEK, pragma poy den problepotan sthn arxikh morfh thn opoia eixame epilejei gia thn kataskeyh toy Olympiakoy Xwrioy. Ara, loipon, o anoiktos diagwnismos shmainei prokhryjh, opoy kaloyntai oloi oi endiaferomenoi na proselqoyn. Gi ayto akribws, qewroyme, anabaqmizontas th diafaneia, oson afora ayth th diadikasia ths kataskeyhs toy Olympiakoy Xwrioy, oti prepei na proxwrhsoyme se ayth thn epilogh. Den yparxei qema anaqeshs. To tonizw, epeidh blepw na grafetai oti katarghsame ton prwto diagwnismo gia na kanoyme anaqesh. Den yparxei tetoio qema. Parakalw, mhn ta grafete ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas enoxloyn.

REPPAS: Otan einai cemata me enoxloyn. Fantazomai na enoxloyn ki esas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sxetika me to qema twn narkwtikwn kai ayta poy eipe o k. Kotswnhs, o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy sth Boylh den edeije na ta yioqetei. Qelw na rwthsw an yparxoyn kapoies apofaseis apo thn kybernhsh, an isxyoyn ayta poy eipe o k. Kotswnhs kai an yparxei qema me ton k. Papadhma, giati xqes fainotan oti den einai enhmerwmenos gi ayta poy eipe o Yfypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kanena qema. H politikh ths kybernhshs einai gnwsth ston tomea ayto kai den allazei. Pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na rijoyme to baros mas sthn epektash twn programmatwn ypokatastashs, opws einai to programma meqadonhs, se olh thn Ellada. Exoyme analabei ejairetikes prwtoboylies se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Oi apoceis toy k. Kotswnh einai sto plaisio enos problhmatismoy poy anaptyssetai dieqnws, alla kai sth xwra mas, gia to qema ayto. Den einai politikh ths kybernhshs na allajei kati apo ayta ta opoia eseis mexri twra gnwrizete, giati pisteyoyme oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai orqh kai apodidei.

Sas eyxaristw.


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