Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-10-22

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Oktwbrioy 1999

EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me antikeimeno syzhthshs ta qemata ta opoia perilambanontai sthn hmerhsia diatajh ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Elsinki, ton erxomeno Dekembrio.

To qema ths dieyrynshs ths E. E. einai para poly shmantiko gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs. H Ellada exei topoqethqei qetika se ayth thn ejelijh. Eimaste yper ths epitaxynshs twn diadikasiwn gia thn entajh twn xwrwn toy prwtoy kai deyteroy kymatos, poy exoyn to xarakthra twn ypochfiwn pros entajh xwrwn. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth kinoymaste synexws kai pisteyoyme oti kai oi alles xwres exoyn thn idia epilogh, wste ston kontinotero xroniko orizonta h dieyrynsh ths E. E. me ta nea ayta melh na einai gegonos.

Yparxei to eidiko qema twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn. Exoyme, kat` epanalhch, topoqethqei yper ths eyrwpaikhs prooptikhs ths Toyrkias. Pisteyoyme oti oi eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis prepei na proaxqoyn. Ayto, bebaiws, qa prepei na syndyastei me qetikes ejelijeis se tomeis, opws einai to Kypriako h se tomeis poy aforoyn thn kalh geitonia twn xwrwn sthn perioxh. Pisteyoyme oti h aproskopth diadikasia entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E. E. apotelei oro ek twn wn oyk aney gia th dieyrynsh ths E. E.. Opws, epishs, pisteyoyme pws h E. E. mporei kai ofeilei na dhmioyrghsei ena plaisio gia thn anaptyjh sxesewn synergasias sthn perioxh, to opoio qa diapneetai apo tis arxes kai toys kanones poy periexontai sto kaloymeno eyrwpaiko kekthmeno.

Ayth thn periodo, h Ellada, mesw armodiwn paragontwn -gnwrizete, allwste, oti o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai o Ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths exoyn thn teleytaia periodo episkefqei diafores xwres kai exoyn synomilhsei me omologoys toys gia synafh qemata- brisketai se epikoinwnia me alles xwres ths E. E. enocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs toy Elsinki. Sto periqwrio twn ergasiwn ths epikeimenhs Synodoy ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys sto Parisi, o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos qa exei, asfalws, th dynatothta na syzhthsei me alloys eyrwpaioys hgetes kai ayta ta qemata. Pisteyoyme oti oi synqhkes einai wrimes gia mia qetikh ejelijh stis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis, h opoia qa synodeyetai apo mia analogh qetikh ejelijh se alloys tomeis toys opoioys me poly geniko tropo anefera. Antilambaneste pws gi` ayto to qema, se ayth th stigmh, oi syzhthseis mas einai para poly xrhsimes kai ej aytoy toy logoy kai oi dhmosies anakoinwseis mas ypokeintai se oloys ekeinoys toys periorismoys oi opoioi einai epibeblhmenoi, prokeimenoy na diathrhsoyme ta diapragmateytika pleonekthmata, wste na exoyme, telikws, to kalytero dynato apotelesma yper twn eqnikwn symferontwn.

Qa moy epitrecete, prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, na ekfrasw ek meroys ths kybernhshs th dysaresth ekplhjh mas gia thn ejelijh poy shmeiwqhke, oson afora thn organwsh "Giatroi xwris Synora". H organwsh ayth prosefere spoydaio ergo sth diarkeia ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. H paroysia kai h apotelesmatikothta ths, h bohqeia poy prosefere anagnwristhke apo to dieqnh paragonta. O idios o k. Koyzner, me epainetiko logo, anaferqhke sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh, shmeiwnontas th qetikh drash twn giatrwn ths organwshs. H kybernhsh, h opoia aneptyje me oles tis mh kybernhtikes organwseis, kata th diarkeia ths krishs, apotelesmatikh synergasia, qewrei pws to ellhniko tmhma ths organwshs mporei na prosferei kai sto mellon qetikes yphresies. Kai gi` ayto akribws qa synexisoyme na lambanoyme prwtoboylies kai na synergazomaste, ws kybernhsh, opws me oles tis alles mh kybernhtikes organwseis, kai me th sygkekrimenh. Pisteyoyme oti, opws kata th diarkeia ths krishs anagnwristhke o qetikos rolos ayths ths organwshs, etsi kai twra qa prepei to olo qema na epanejetastei, giati h organwsh ayth einai xrhsimh sthn koinwnia twn anqrwpwn, idiaiterws se periodoys krishs, oi opoies sthn perioxh mas einai dystyxws ena fainomeno poy syxna ekdhlwnetai.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MHLAKAS: Eixa thn entypwsh oti h aproskopth poreia ths Kyproy pros thn E. E. eixe termatistei apo to Martio toy `95. Ton teleytaio kairo akoyme pws h kybernhsh polemaei na diasfalisei thn aproskopth entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy. Twra ti allaje, giati h kybernhsh to qetei ws proypoqesh gia na symfwnhsei me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: Den to qetei h kybernhsh ws proypoqesh. H kybernhsh, aplws, kaleitai na antimetwpisei th qesh thn opoia diatypwsan tesseris xwres ths E. E., me koino keimeno poy exoyn kataqesei. Anaferomai sto keimeno poy kateqesan h Gallia, h Germania, h Italia kai h Ollandia, basei toy opoioy ekdhlwnoyn problhmatismoys gia to kata poso einai dynato na oloklhrwqei h diapragmateysh ths E. E. me thn Kypro kai na entaxqei h Kypros ws melos sthn E. E., xwris na exei lyqei to politiko problhma. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h proodos twn diapragmateysewn einai shmantikh. H Kypros brisketai sthn prwth grammh, se sygkrish me alles xwres. Bebaiws, omws, h telikh egkrish gia thn oristikh entajh ths Kyproy, einai ena qema to opoio den exei akomh antimetwpistei. Qa apofasistei ekeinh thn wra poy qa oloklhrwqoyn oi diapragmateyseis. Paramenei, sto metajy, ayth h koinh qesh twn tessarwn xwrwn, h opoia mporei na dhmioyrghsei problhmata. Asfalws -epanalambanw th qesh mas- h poreia ths Kyproy sthn E. E. den prepei kai den mporei na anakopei. Den mporei h Kypros na paramenei se omhria, enw syzhteitai h entajh ths sthn E. E. Pisteyoyme oti h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E. kai h prospaqeia epilyshs toy politikoy problhmatos einai dyo stoixeia poy mporei na kaqorisoyn th moira toy nhsioy gia ta epomena xronia. Ara, se ayta exei epikentrwqei to endiaferon mas, sto plaisio ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths xwras.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti h Ellada, shmera, meta thn apofash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, milaei gia thn poreia kai thn aproskopth entajh ths Kyproy kai qetete th dhmioyrgia enos klimatos, me bash tis arxes kai toys kanones toy legomenoy eyrwpaikoy kekthmenoy, qa hqela na sas rwthsw: prwton, to qetete ayto ws diadikastikh proypoqesh gia na peite "nai symfwnoyme sto opoiodhpote aithma, na ginei, dhladh, h Toyrkia ypochfia pros entajh xwra"; Kai deyteron, ti qa ginei sthn periptwsh kata thn opoia oi eyrwpaioi etairoi arnhqoyn na ikanopoihsoyn aytes tis dyo parametroys;

REPPAS: Eimai poly safhs. Sto plaisio twn epafwn ths xwras mas me tis alles koinotikes xwres, syzhtoyntai ola ayta ta qemata. Anaptyssoyme tis dikes mas apoceis kai akoyme tis apoceis poy diatypwnei h allh pleyra, kaqe fora. Ola ayta ta qemata -kai anaferqhka se kapoia shmeia, ta opoia eseis epanalabate me tis erwthseis sas- exoyn apotelesei kai apoteloyn antikeimeno, sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn, yparxoyn ws qemata. Prepei na ta diaxeiristoyme etsi, wste na diasfalisoyme to eqniko symferon. Qa htan laqos na agnohsoyme thn yparjh aytwn twn qematwn. Ayto to opoio einai safes, einai toyto: H dikh mas qesh gia thn proodo twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn einai kathgorhmatikh kai eilikrinhs. Epiqymoyme h Toyrkia na kerdisei mia oysiastikh kai oxi mia eikonikh ypochfiothta, prokeimenoy, ajiopoiwntas tis koinotikes diadikasies, alla kai dexomenh ton analogo elegxo, poy problepetai sto plaisio twn kanonwn kai twn arxwn toy eyrwpaikoy kekthmenoy, na beltiwsei tis sxeseis ths me thn E. E. kai na entaxqei s` aythn. Ayto, omws, den mporei na ginei ejw apo to plaisio twn arxwn kai twn kanonwn, basei twn opoiwn kriqhkan oles oi xwres oi opoies, hdh, exoyn entaxqei sthn E. E. h prokeitai na entaxqoyn, kata to prwto h to deytero kyma ths dieyrynshs. H qesh mas, loipon, einai safhs. Ayth einai h politikh qesh. H qesh ayth mporei na sympyknwqei se ena "nai" h se ena "oxi". Ayto, omws, einai kati to opoio qa prokycei ws apotelesma twn synergasiwn, twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai ayth thn periodo kai qa synexistoyn mexri th Synodo Koryfhs. As mhn protrejoyme, mexri ekeinh thn wra, poy h E. E. qa klhqei na labei thn telikh apofash ths gia ayto to qema.

MIXAHL: Katanow thn antilhch sas na mh qelete na epektaqeite, sthn paroysa fash toylaxiston. To erwthma einai, oxi toso gia na maqoyme plhrws thn ellhnikh taktikh, alla gia na katalabw ti qa ginei an den mas tis dwsoyn aytes tis proypoqeseis. Dhladh, prospaqw na katalabw oti entajei einai oi proypoqeseis. Apo ekei kai pera ti ginetai;

REPPAS: Anefera oti syzhthsame ayto to qema. Syzhthsame qemata oysias kai taktikhs sto plaisio ths shmerinhs synedriashs. Kai prepei na sas pw oti exoyme jekaqaro ton politiko orizonta mas. Jeroyme se poia kateyqynsh kinoymaste. Exoyme aposafhnisei ti einai ayto to opoio syzhtoyme me toys alloys etairoys. Exoyme apokwdikopoihsei -an qelete- oles tis ptyxes twn sxesewn ths Eyrwphs me thn Toyrkia. Eimaste etoimoi na synexisoyme aytes tis syzhthseis sto dimhno poy apomenei mexri th Synodo Koryfhs, epeidh akribws, gia mas ta qemata einai apolyta jekaqarismena. Den exoyme problhmatismoys, den exoyme apories, den exoyme kena. Exoyme aposafhnisei ti einai ayto to opoio exei gia mas proteraiothta. Einai dedomeno ti einai ayto gia to opoio agwnizomaste. Den to anazhtoyme twra. Antilambaneste, omws, pws ola ayta ta qemata qa synexisoyn na apasxoloyn thn Ellada kai tis alles xwres kai kata to epomeno dimhno. Gi` ayto, loipon, paramenoyme twra se ayth thn anakoinwsh ths qeshs mas.

PETOYRH: Anaferate oti sth Synodo poy qa ginei sto Parisi o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei epafes me omologoys toy. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe thlefwnikes epafes me omologoys toy gia to qema ayto;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos syzhthse me alloys hgetes sto periqwrio ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Tampere kai qa synanthsei polloys hgetes sto Parisi. Den exei katartistei kapoio sygkekrimeno programma. Oi synennohseis ginontai ayth thn periodo.

KARGOYDH: Pws ajiologei, kat` arxhn, h kybernhsh aytes tis plhrofories, tis proerxomenes apo thn Toyrkia, oti me to palaiotero h me ena neo kaqestws einai dynath h epanaleitoyrgia ths Sxolhs ths Xalkhs;

REPPAS: Emeis exoyme diatypwsei, me kaqe tropo, thn epiqymia mas na epanaleitoyrghsei h Sxolh ths Xalkhs. Pisteyoyme oti analogo endiaferon pros ayth thn kateyqynsh epideiknyei kai o dieqnhs paragontas. Elpizoyme to qema ayto, to opoio mas apasxolei edw kai arketa xronia, na lyqei. Na epanaleitoyrghsei, dhladh, h Sxolh ths Xalkhs.

KARGOYDH: Entassetai ayto mesa sto plaisio ths ellhnotoyrkikhs kai eyrwtoyrkikhs proseggishs;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti h epilogh ayth apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs ths Toyrkias, einai mia qetikh xeironomia pros thn Ellada.

PANAGOPOYLOS: Jerei h ellhnikh kybernhsh h exei enhmerwqei, epishmws...

REPPAS: Den exoyme epishmh enhmerwsh gia th qesh ths kybernhshs ths Toyrkias. Gnwrizoyme, apo ta dhmosieymata, apo syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei se allo epipedo, oti ayto to qema apasxolei thn Toyrkia, apasxolei kai to dieqnh paragonta. Ayto einai gnwsto. Emeis paramenoyme sth qesh poy exoyme diatypwsei.

PAPPA: O Epitropos gia oikonomikes kai nomismatikes ypoqeseis ths E. E. k. Solmpes, dhlwse oti h Komision epiqymei thn taxyterh dynath entajh ths Ellada sth zwnh toy EYRW. Qa hqela na rwthsw an einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs tetoioy eidoys epispeysh.

REPPAS: H prospaqeia poy kanoyme, pisteyw me poly qetika apotelesmata -einai na ekplhrwsoyme ola ta krithria poy problepontai stis sxetikes synqhkes. Eipame -kai leme panta se kaqe eykairia- oti qa entaxqoyme sthn ONE me to spaqi mas kai oxi me politikes diapragmateyseis. Pisteyoyme oti, otan ekplhrwsoyme ta krithria ayta -paramenei anoixth mono h ypoxrewsh poy exoyme, oson afora to krithrio toy plhqwrismoy- qa exoyme oles tis eggyhseis kai qa ginoyme isotimo melos ths ONE. Ayth h syzhthsh ginetai. Den exei, omws apasxolhsei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Poses pyrhnikes bombes yparxoyn sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei gi ayta ta qemata, se erwthseis, poy kata kairoys ginontai. Den exei allajei tipota, oson afora to qema ayto. Paramenoyme stis apanthseis poy exw dwsei.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Den exei allajei o ariqmos twn bombwn; Ayto ennoeite;

REPPAS: An anatrejete stis apanthseis poy exw dwsei se sxetikes erwthseis den qa eixate ayton ton problhmatismo. Polles fores sto parelqon exete diatypwsei ki eseis sxetikh erwthsh. Kai xqes apanthsa se sxetiko erwthma, legontas, metajy allwn, oti ekane sxetikh dhlwsh kai o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn h den yparxoyn pyrhnikes bombes sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, se ayth thn erwthsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qymaste thn apanthsh poy eixate dwsei gi ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Lypamai, giati den qymaste eseis thn erwthsh poy exete kanei gi ayto to qema kai qa prepei na th qymaste.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Einai akribws h idia kai pote den exei doqei apanthsh.

REPPAS: An exei ayto to qema toso megalo endiaferon gia sas, asfalws, qa prepei na qymosaste kai thn apanthsh. Den einai dynaton na qymosaste mono thn erwthsh xwris thn apanthsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Twra paizoyme thn kolokyqia.

REPPAS: Oxi, eseis paizete thn kolokyqia. Nomizw oti h apanthsh poy edwsa htan kathgorhmatikh, kai apo kei kai pera den exw tipota na prosqesw.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epanalambanw to erwthma, giati exei kai mia xrhstikh kai istorikh ajia na katagrafontai merika erwthmata kai oi apanthseis poy den dinontai...

REPPAS: Mporoyme na to kanoyme ayto, xwris na dapanoyme to xrono twra. Qelete na epanalaboyme sto briefing thn erwthsh sas deka fores; Mporoyme na to kanoyme ayto, ean sas ejyphretei gia logoys katagrafhs ths istorias toy topoy.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qelete na apanthsete ston kosmo poy mas akoyei, ean yparxoyn h ean den yparxoyn pyrhnika opla sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, se ayto to qema kai o kosmos mas akoyge panta. Kai epeidh akoyge tis apanthseis panw sta erwthmata sas kai tis qeseis poy anaptyssame, mas edwse thn empistosynh toy, me thn chfo toy, prokeimenoy na kybernoyme ton topo, gia to eqniko symferon.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sas chfise o ellhnikos laos gia na yparxoyn pyrhnika opla sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Mpogiopoyle. O ellhnikos laos mas chfise gia thn politikh mas. H politikh mas gia ola ta qemata einai ayth gia thn opoia exei apofasisei kai thn exei egkrinei o ellhnikos laos. Den qa mas kathgorhsete giati mas chfizei o ellhnikos laos gia na kybernoyme.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Se poio shmeio toy Programmatos toy PASOK ginetai logos gia yparjh pyrhnikwn oplwn sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Poios, k. Mpogiopoyle, sas dinei th dynatothta na epanaferete ayto to qema, deixnontas mia agwnia kai ena endiaferon gia to Programma toy PASOK, to opoio enekrine o ellhnikos laos; Qelete, dhladh, na staqmisete thn ikanothta toy ellhnikoy laoy na meleta kai na bgazei swsta symperasmata apo ta programmata twn kommatwn; Ayto einai to endiaferon sas; Aytos einai o problhmatismos sas; Exoyn apanthqei ayta ta qemata.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Na perasw se ena allo qema: Eipate, xqes, oti skeptetai h kybernhsh, an katalaba kala...

REPPAS: To oti skeptetai h kybernhsh, to katalabate poly kala!

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sto plaisio twn toso katatopistikwn apanthsewn poy dinete, lew oti eipate xqes, pws h kybernhsh skeptetai na proxwrhsei sthn katarghsh twn diatajewn poy yparxoyn -an yparxoyn- se oti afora th dynatothta ths Astynomias na binteoskopoyntai oi diadhlwtes...

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes. Exoyn ginei dhlwseis kai apo ton Geniko Grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Den hsastan xqes sto briefing. To syzhthsame ayto to qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To diabasa omws.

REPPAS: Blepete oti den xanete tipota otan den erxeste;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qelw, loipon, gia na brw ena logo na erxomai, na moy apanthsete sto erwthma, ean h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, eixe sto skeptiko ths kai exei ayto poy eseis eipate xqes: H dienergeia binteoskophsewn kai allwn kinhmatografikwn lhcewn ginetai para kai enantia sthn politikh ths qelhsh apo tis dynameis ths Astynomias;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, xqes, se ayto to qema. Paramenw se ayth thn apanthsh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Ektos apo to qema poy mas eipate syzhthqhke tipota allo sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: Apolytws kanena.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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