Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-07-15

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Ioylioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Gnwrizete oti brisketai se ejelijh epeisodio omhrias politwn apo Albano kakopoio. Apo thn prwth stigmh, katasthsame safes oti proexei h prostasia ths zwhs kai ths swmatikhs akeraiothtas twn politwn poy einai omhroi. Gi ayto akribws, dhlwsame pws to epeisodio ayto prepei na antimetwpistei entos ths ellhnikhs epikrateias, giati etsi pisteyoyme oti mporei na epiteyxqei to kalytero apotelesma.

Apo thn prwth stigmh, apenanti se aithma poy eqese o Albanos kakopoios gia na labei sygkekrimeno xrhmatiko poso, apanthsame qetika, me thn taytoxronh, bebaiws, apeleyqerwsh twn politwn poy einai omhroi.

Symmerizomaste thn agwnia kai thn anhsyxia twn syggenwn, gnwstwn kai filwn twn politwn poy einai omhroi. Alla, katanooyme kai thn agwnia olwn twn politwn, toy ellhnikoy laoy, poy diapistwnei oti yparxei problhma, h antimetwpish toy opoioy apaitei apo oloys ypeyqynothta kai prosektikoys xeirismoys.

Ta organa ths astynomikhs yphresias poy xeirizontai epitopoy to qema, energoyn me bash sxedio ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Pisteyoyme oti qa prepei mexri teloys -opws mexri twra exei ginei- na epideijoyme oloi ypomonh kai epimonh, cyxraimia kai staqerothta stoys xeirismoys, gia na exoyme ena aisio telos. H epafh twn astynomikwn organwn me ton Albano kakopoio einai diarkhs. Ana pasa stigmh einai efikth h syzhthsh mazi toy.

Ayto to opoio prepei na sas pw einai oti mexri ayth thn wra, den exei ginei syzhthsh, h opoia na afora xeirismoys h diadikasies poy prepei na akoloyqhqoyn kai apo tis dyo pleyres, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme kai na jeperasoyme ayto to epeisodio, giati o Albanos kakopoios den exei oysiastikws dexqei, mexri twra toylaxiston, mia tetoia syzhthsh. Exei diatypwsei to aithma toy, exei doqei apanthsh se ayto, den exei proxwrhsei h syzhthsh epi ths oysias, pera apo ayto to shmeio.

Qa prepei na tonisw, me aformh ayto to epeisodio, oti h Politeia mas einai oxyrwmenh kai qwrakismenh kai mporei na antimetwpizei tetoia fainomena, arkei oloi na staqoyme sto ycos twn peristasewn.

Qelw na diabebaiwsw ton ellhniko lao, oti oi armodioi foreis kanoyn to kalytero dynato, prokeimenoy na fqasoyme sto epiqymhto apotelesma. Qa prepei, gia mia akomh fora, na tonisw oti prepei na einai ychlo to epipedo eyqynhs poy qa diakrinei tis epiloges kai toys xeirismoys olwn ekeinwn poy emplekontai amesws h emmesws se ptyxes aytoy toy epeisodioy: H Politeia, oi koinwnikoi foreis, ta MME, oi leitoyrgoi twn MME ofeiloyme na epideijoyme ayth thn eyqynh sto ychlotero epipedo.

Den prepei, allwste, na mas diafeygei, oti to pio shmantiko apo ola se ena tetoio epeisodio, einai h prostasia ths zwhs twn politwn, poy ayth thn wra brisketai se kindyno. Opws epishs, to oti enas kakopoios exei empneystei, exei skefqei ena egklhmatiko sxedio, to opoio epidiwkei na efarmosei. Ayta ta stoixeia den prepei na mas diafeygoyn. Apoteloyn, an qelete, th bash gia kaqe analysh kai epejergasia politikhs gia na antimetwpisoyme to epeisodio.

Elpizw oti h ejelijh me toys swstoys xeirismoys -poy pisteyoyme oti exoyn ginei mexri twra kai qa synexisoyn na ginontai- qa einai qetikh pros ofelos olwn kai toy idioy toy kakopoioy, o opoios mporei na parei ta xrhmata kai me diasfalish ths dikhs toy prostasias na apomakrynqei.

Epanalambanw, oti me aformh ayto to epeisodio, oi problhmatismoi poy dhmioyrgoyntai gia th genikoterh katastash, oson afora to epipedo tajhs kai dhmosias asfaleias, qa prepei na mh menoyn problhmatismoi. Isa-isa, na mas kanoyn oloys na skefqoyme oti qa prepei na synergastoyme kai na symbaloyme gia na antimetwpisoyme apotelesmatika ayto to fainomeno. Se ayth thn kateyqynsh kineitai h kybernhsh, se ayth thn kateyqynsh pisteyoyme oti kaqe poliths epiqymei na symbalei me to diko toy tropo.

* Qa hqela na prosqesw, epishs, oti peran twn politikwn Arxhgwn poy enhmerwqhkan apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwse gia to epeisodio ayto kai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias k. Stefanopoylo.

Eimai sth diaqesh sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes, kapoios kybernhtikos paragontas edwse thn plhroforia oti o "kyrios" aytos einai organwmenos kai oti kateyqynetai apo jena kentra. Epibebaiwnete ayth thn plhroforia;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola den prepei na syzhthsoyme epimeroys ptyxes toy epeisodioy, otan ayto einai se ejelijh kai akomh perissotero, otan tiqetai se kindyno h zwh sympolitwn mas. Prepei na pw oti oi armodies Yphresies exoyn basima ektimhsei oti o sygkekrimenos kakopoios briskotan se epikoinwnia me alla atoma, mexri xqes to brady. Epikoinwnoyse me kapoioys, anthllasse apoceis, epairne isws odhgies kai entoles. Ginetai analysh twn stoixeiwn. Kai otan milw gia stoixeia anaferomai toso stis apaithseis poy diatypwse, oso kai ston tropo me ton opoio symperiferqhke kai antedrase apenanti stoys xeirismoys twn organwn ths ELAS.

Apo kei kai pera, antilambaneste ki eseis pws tetoia qemata den mporei na apoteloyn antikeimeno dhmosias syzhthshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, apo oti kykloforhse xqes, den einai toso ta lefta, oso kati allo poy qelei na plhjei th xwra; Einai "sthmenos" na to kanei ayto gia na plhjei th xwra;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra kaneis den mporei kai den dikaioytai na bgazei oristika symperasmata me kathgorhmatiko tropo, otan ayto poy proexei einai to kaqhkon mas na antimetwpisoyme ayto kaqeayto to epeisodio, na epityxoyme na apeleyqerwqoyn oi polites omhroi. Ola ta qemata, ta opoia exoyn sxesh me ayto to epeisodio, qa analyqoyn, qa ajiologhqoyn, qa bgoyn tote ta oristika symperasmata.

Fainetai pantws, oti peran twn analogiwn, se sxesh me ena prohgoymeno paromoio peristatiko, yparxoyn kai diafores, ws pros to pws sxediase kai enhrghse mexri twra o Albanos kakopoios, alla kai ws pros to pws mexri twra antidra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pisteyete oti exei sxesh me thn episkech toy Amerikanoy ypoyrgoy Amynas sthn Ellada kai me qema tromokratias poy eqese;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kapoio stoixeio to opoio na odhgei se ena tetoio symperasma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes to brady, kanate kapoies syskeceis. Giati, den bghke kapoios kybernhtikos paragontas na enhmerwsei kai bghke enas tajiarxos ths Astynomias; Den mporoyse kapoios apo toys 5-6 ypoyrgoys poy htan mesa, h politikh hgesia, na enhmerwsei; O astynomikos qa enhmerwne;

REPPAS: Den katalaba poio einai to erwthma sas;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den bghke enas ypoyrgos kai bghke enas astynomikos na enhmerwsei toys dhmosiografoys;

REPPAS: To erwthma sas, loipon, einai giati ekane dhlwseis o k. Toyntopoylos kai den ekane o omilwn h o k. Xrysoxoidhs h kapoios allos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: 'H h k. Papandreoy poy einai epikefalhs.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, ekane dhlwseis o k. Xrysoxoidhs. Epishs, ekane dhlwseis o k. Toyntopoylos kai xqes kai shmera to prwi. Ta qemata ayta ta antimetwpizoyn ta organa ths astynomias, me bash sxedio ths. Emeis qesame ena plaisio, eimaste se diarkh epikoinwnia, mesw toy armodioy ypoyrgoy, prokeimenoy na exoyme enhmerwsh, alla kai na prosferoyme tis apoceis mas gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn poy prokyptoyn, sto plaisio aytoy toy epeisodioy. H ellhnikh Politeia einai syntetagmenh Politeia. Exei thn kybernhsh kai toys ypoyrgoys. Exei thn Astynomia kai toys ekproswpoys ths. Pisteyw, loipon, oti, opws sto plaisio ths kaqhmerinhs enhmerwshs h gia alla qemata poy aforoyn to synolo ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, egw eimai parwn gia na probainw se dhlwseis kai na apantw stis erwthseis sas, etsi kai se periptwseis armodiothtas sygkekrimenwn ypoyrgwn, oi ypoyrgoi apantoyn stis erwthseis sas. Epishs, peran aytwn, yparxoyn kai sygkekrimenoi ekproswpoi se basikoys neyralgikoys tomeis, opws einai h Ellhnikh Astynomia, oi opoioi ki aytoi exoyn th dikh toys symmetoxh sthn enhmerwsh sas. Einai shmantiko -kai nomizw oti prepei na antimetwpistei qetika apo th dikh sas pleyra- to oti oristhke sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia ajiwmatikos ws ekproswpos Typoy. Einai kati poy ginetai gia na dieykolynesqe sto ergo sas kai perimena na to xairetisete. Den fantazomoyn oti qa mas kathgorhsete epeidh h Astynomia apekthse ekproswpo Typoy, o opoios kanei dhlwseis gia ena qema to opoio xeirizetai h Ellhnikh Astynomia. Ara, loipon, opws egw ayth thn wra, sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs, eimai sth diaqesh sas gia na prosferw enhmerwsh kai na apanthsw se erwthseis sas, opws o armodios ypoyrgos proebh se dhlwseis kai qa probei se dhlwseis, etsi kai o ekproswpos Typoy ths Astynomias exei th dikh toy paroysia kai symmetoxh sth diadikasia enhmerwshs. Oydeis elegxei to pws qa ekproswphqei ena Meso Enhmerwshs se kapoia diadikasia paragwghs enhmerwshs kai eidhsewn. Einai diko sas qema. Alla, dexqeite oti kai emeis, sto plaisio mias poly sygkekrimenhs diarqrwshs, exoyme th dynatothta na krinoyme poios einai aytos, kaqe fora, o opoios qa probainei se sygkekrimenes dhlwseis. Den fantazomoyn oti ayto qa mporoyse na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs, sto plaisio ths politikhs enhmerwshs!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporei enas astynomikos na ekproswpei eji ypoyrgoys.

REPPAS: O astynomikos ekproswpei thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Sth dhlwsh poy ekana sthn arxh, milhsa gia to sxedio to opoio exei qesei se efarmogh h Ellhnikh Astynomia. H Ellhnikh Astynomia exei ekproswpo Typoy. Einai parwn kai aytos.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Eipate oti qa antimetwpistei to epeisodio entos ellhnikoy edafoys. Yparxei synennohsh me tis geitonikes xwres, kyriws me thn Albania, gia to kleisimo twn synorwn; Giati, apo oti diafainetai, aytos pros ta ekei qelei na kateyqynqei.

REPPAS: Htan ena shmeio toy aithmatos poy diatypwse. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oi armodies yphresies poy xeirizontai to qema exoyn poly kalytero elegxo twn ejelijewn, entos ths ellhnikhs epikrateias, kai gi` ayto, eyqys ej arxhs, phrame ayth th qesh, h opoia den allazei. Einai allo qema h apofash poy elabe h albanikh kybernhsh. Den yphrje synennohsh gi` ayto. Aplws, h albanikh kybernhsh enhmerwqhke, mesw toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, gia to epeisodio ayto, otan prwtoekdhlwqhke, afoy ekeinh thn wra htan se ejelijh h trimerhs synergasia se epipedo ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn Elladas- FYROM-Albanias, stis Prespes. Epishs, prepei na sas pw, gia logoys enhmerwshs sas, oti apo xqes to apogeyma, yparxei epikoinwnia kai me ton Albano presbh sthn Aqhna, me tis edw diplwmatikes arxes ths geitonikhs xwras. O Albanos presbhs prosferqhke na symbalei, kata ton tropo poy mporei, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei, xwris qymata, xwris odynhres epiptwseis to epeisodio ayto.

MOYRTZHS: Prwton, qa hqela na rwthsw, oi astynomikes Arxes exoyn diereynhsei aytes tis wres to poion toy kakopoioy kai to parelqon toy; Kai deyteron, eipate oti antallaje apoceis kai epairne odhgies kai entoles. Pisteyete oti einai enas koinos kakopoios h ypokryptetai kati allo;

REPPAS: Eipa oti yparxoyn analogies, omoiothtes me to prohgoymeno peristatiko, yparxoyn kai diafores. Kai milhsa kai gia tis diafores aytes. To oti yphrxe xqes epikoinwnia me paragontes ejw apo to lewforeio, kata thn ejelijh toy symbantos, ayto einai bebaio. Apo ekei kai pera, oti exei sxesh me thn taytothta toy kakopoioy elegxetai apo tis armodies yphresies. H Astynomia exei seira stoixeiwn sth diaqesh ths. Ta meleta, ta ajiopoiei, ta xrhsimopoiei, sto plaisio twn xeirismwn poy kanei. Alla, ayth thn wra, den mporoyme na poyme tipota parapanw.

GARGALAKOS: Eipate, k. Ypoyrge, epi lejei "na parei ta xrhmata kai me diasfalish ths dikhs toy prostasias na apomakrynqei". Ean mpoyme s` ayth th logikh kai kaqe Albanos kakopoios mporei na pairnei ena lewforeio, na pairnei kai 250 ekatommyria kai na toy ejasfalizoyme kai thn asfalh toy apomakrynsh, tote giati na mh ginei "moda" ayto;

REPPAS: Den fantazomai na epilegete -kai den qa to kanate an hsastan eseis sth qesh enos ypeyqynoy xeiristh mias tetoias ypoqeshs- to na odhghsoyme se kindyno th zwh twn politwn poy einai omhroi, epeidh, akribws, arnoymaste na prosferoyme ston Albano kakopoio synqhkes prostasias gia th zwh toy. An gnwrizei oti den mporoyme na diasfalisoyme thn prostasia toy, antilambaneste pws exoyme aytomatws kanei to prwto bhma se mia poly odynhrh ejelijh. Prepei na pw oti h antimetwpish tetoiwn epeisodiwn, einai poly dyskolh pagkosmiws, otan o kakopoios exei sth diaqesh toy xeirobombida. Kai exei xeirobombides sth diaqesh toy o Albanos kakopoios, tis opoies exei apasfalismenes. Kai otan ayto to opoio proexei einai na perifroyrhseis th zwh kai thn akeraiothta twn politwn poy einai omhroi, antilambaneste pws dras katw apo poly shmantikoys periorismoys. Prepei na pronohseis gia tis synepeies oi opoies, aytomatws, qa prokycoyn, enw esy antimetwpizeis ton kakopoio, o opoios xeirizetai mia apasfalismenh xeirobombida.

En pash periptwsei, epanalambanw, apantoyme qetika sto aithma toy, efoson, bebaiws, amesws, taytoxronws, apeleyqerwsei toys polites. Ayto einai to meizon: Na apeleyqerwqoyn amesws oi polites.

SOYRMELIDHS: H Astynomia Polykastroy gnwrizei to sygkekrimeno atomo;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h Astynomia, oi armodies yphresies ths kai oxi mono to topiko astynomiko Tmhma, exoyn probei se ektetameno elegxo diastayrwshs stoixeiwn. H Astynomia exei syllejei ola ekeina ta stoixeia, ta opoia ths einai xrhsima gia na kanei swsta th doyleia ths.

SOYRMELIDHS: Sas rwtaw sygkekrimena gia thn Astynomia Polykastroy.

REPPAS: Gnwrizw ti kanei h Astynomia. Den gnwrizw an h Astynomia Polykastroy exei pleon opoiadhpote emplokh sthn antimetwpish toy qematos. Nomizw oti den exei.

SOYRMELIDHS: Ton synanthsan prin to peristatiko;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se allo qema: Yparxei naytikh symfwnia metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias gia to Aigaio;

REPPAS: Den antilambanomai. Otan milate gia symfwnia, dinete thn entypwsh oti exei ypografei kapoio keimeno symfwnias, kapoio prwtokollo...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto Berolino yphrje kapoia symfwnia;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti kaqe xrono, ayth thn periodo, tiqetai se efarmogh ena eidos Metrwn Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs (MOE), to gnwsto moratorioym, prokeimenoy ayto, efoson apotelesei pleon mia monimh katastash, na diepei tis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Alla, h diadikasia, oson afora ayta kaqayta ta Metra Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs, den exei oloklhrwqei. Ejelissetai, sto plaisio toy NATO, ypo thn aigida toy Genikoy Grammatea. Ayto to opoio mporei na pei kaneis oti apotelei mia pragmatikothta, ena dedomeno -para to oti kai ayth h pragmatikothta den ginetai sebasth panta apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias, opws apedeije kai h prosfath symperifora ths- einai h thrhsh aytoy toy moratorioym gia ena diasthma ligwn mhnwn, th qerinh periodo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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