Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-07-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Ioylioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

To programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, gi` ayth thn ebdomada, einai to ejhs:

* Se ligh wra, qa dexqei ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Germanias k. Fiser.

* Ayrio to prwi, qa exei diadoxikes synanthseis me ton k. Giannopoylo, thn k. Papazwh kai to meshmeri me ton k. Skandalidh.

* Thn Tetarth, to prwi, qa dexqei ton ypoyrgo Amynas twn HPA k. Koen, synodeyomeno apo ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, me ton opoio, bebaiws, qa exei kai jexwristes synanthseis.

* Thn Pempth, qa episkefqei, sto aerodromio Eleysinas, mia monada toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos, thn EMAK, opoy staqmeyoyn ta aeroplana kai ta elikoptera poy xrhsimopoiei to Pyrosbestiko Swma gia thn katasbesh twn pyrkagiwn. Argotera, to meshmeri, qa exei synergasia me thn hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

* Thn Paraskeyh, opws sas eixa anakoinwsei, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. H synqesh ths kai s` ayth th synedriash qa einai dieyrymenh me toys synadelfoys kyrioys Mantelh, Xrysoxoidh kai thn ka Papazwh kai qa syzhthqoyn qemata armodiothtas toys. Meta th lhjh ths K. E., qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, prokeimenoy na apofasisei gia epiloges proswpwn se diafora organa ths politeias, opoy yparxoyn kena.

Epishs, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw, me aformh tis kataggelies kai dhlwseis toy synadelfoy boyleyth G. Kach, oti o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs E. Giannopoylos, exei dwsei paraggelia ston eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy na diatajei th dienergeia kat` epeigoysas prokatarktikhs ejetashs, gia th diakribwsh ths alhqeias twn kataggellomenwn apo ton agaphto synadelfo. Qa akoloyqhqoyn oi problepomenes diadikasies.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy, pws qa kinhqei; Oi kataggelies htan anwnymes.

REPPAS: Eipa, qa akoloyqhqei h problepomenh diadikasia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, qa kalesei ton k. Kach o eisaggeleas;

REPPAS: Qa klhqoyn, oi exontes sxesh kai logo me to qema ayto, na diatypwsoyn tis apoceis toys kai na proskomisoyn ta stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn sth diaqesh toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, giati den dexqhke na paei o k. Kachs na toy dwsei ta stoixeia;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai Prwqypoyrgos, den einai eisaggeleas. O Prwqypoyrgos edwse entolh ston k. Kach na proskomisei ta stoixeia stis eisaggelikes Arxes, na kanei ayto poy kanei kaqe poliths, otan exei ypoch toy oti sto dhmosio bio ths xwras kati den leitoyrgei swsta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla afora thn kybernhsh toy.

REPPAS: Afora to dhmosio bio ths xwras. O Prwqypoyrgos einai Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. H xwra mas einai mia syntetagmenh politeia. Oi ejoysies diakrinontai. H dikastikh Arxh exei armodiothta na antimetwpizei tetoia qemata. Idiaiterws, oi eisaggeleis, epilambanontai tetoiwn periptwsewn. Ayto prepei na ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Kachs ekane kataggelies gia diafqora kai gia kybernhtika stelexh. Den einai ypoxrewmenos o Prwqypoyrgos na ton kalesei na pei aytes tis kataggelies;

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata, loipon, o Prwqypoyrgos epiqymei kai epilegei na asxolhqei h Dikaiosynh, gia na mh doqei h dynatothta se opoiondhpote na katakrinei ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh, oti prospaqoyn na periorisoyn thn antimetwpish toy qematos, entos twn kybernhtikwn kyklwn. Asxoleitai h aytonomh ejoysia, h Dikaiosynh, h opoia pisteyw oti qa kanei oti prepei na ginei, prokeimenoy oloi na gnwrizoyme pws exei to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, o idios...

REPPAS: Apanthsa, k. Stamatopoyle. Qelei na mhn yparxei h paramikrh yponoia oti o idios h kybernhtikoi paragontes xeirizontai tetoia qemata. Ta qemata ayta ta xeirizetai, kat` ejoxhn, h Dikaiosynh. Epeidh aforoyn to dhmosio bio kai epeidh prepei tetoioy eidoys qemata na ta antimetwpizoyn oi armodioi eisaggeleis, amesws, xwris na parembainei opoiosdhpote sto ergo toys. Ayto kanei kai h kybernhsh sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto lew, parallhla, den prepei kai o Prwqypoyrgos ayta ta atoma na ta apomakrynei, prin;

REPPAS: Xwris na gnwrizoyme pws exei to qema, antilambaneste pws den einai eykolo na laboyme apofaseis. Qa anamenete, loipon, h Dikaiosynh, anephreasth kai xwris parembaseis na kanei to ergo ths. Ayto pisteyw oti oloi symfwneite pws prepei na ginei kai analogws, qa antimetwpisoyme tis ejelijeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa exoyn ginei ekloges...

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, epeidh den eiste kalos gnwsths, ypenqymizw oti diataxqhke h paraggelia kat` epeigoysas prokatarktikhs ejetashs. H ejetash ayth, oloklhrwnetai mesa se liges hmeres. Mh dhmioyrgeitai entypwseis, loipon.

MIXAHL: O Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas sth deyterologia toy sth K. E. toy PASOK, htan safhs sto qema ayto. Kai eipe, malista, th frash oti "kaneis den mporei na einai synenoxos kai na sygkalyptei tetoies katastaseis". Qelw, loipon, na sas rwthsw, an h entolh poy edwse ston k. Kach, afora kai ton k. Papadhma, o opoios, xqes, se synenteyjh toy se kyriakatikh efhmerida eipe oti "den mporw na ejaleicw to fakelaki". Ara, o idios paradexetai oti ena stoixeio diafqoras, poy yparxei ston tomea toy, den mporei na ejaleifqei. An loipon, afora mia tetoia entolh kai ton k. Papadhma kai opoiondhpote allo ypoyrgo poy, kata th gnwmh toy h me ta stoixeia poy exei, yparxoyn tetoia fainomena sto xwro toy.

REPPAS: Yparxei mia diafora. O k. Papadhmas milhse gia thn politikh prospaqeia poy prepei na ginei gia na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme problhmata se ena sygkekrimeno xwro. Se polloys xwroys yparxoyn streblwseis, yparxoyn polles dyskolies gia thn efarmogh mias politikhs, epeidh o anqrwpinos paragontas, syxna, einai aprobleptos kai pantote yparxoyn anqrwpoi -se mikro pososto, alla yparxoyn kai aytoi- oi opoioi antimetwpizoyn diaforoys peirasmoys poy briskontai gyrw mas, paradidomenoi s` aytoys. Ayto einai kati to opoio apotelei stoixeio ths koinhs peiras mas. Den prepei na mas jenizei. Den milhse, omws, gia sygkekrimena stoixeia. Den kathggeile kapoio peristatiko, to opoio exei ypoch toy. Ayth einai h terastia diafora, se sxesh me ayta ta opoia eipe, o synadelfos k. Kachs.

MIXAHL: O k. Kachs eipe oti gia na mporesei enas Ellhnas poliths na ejyphrethqei apo thn Poleodomia, eite giati o idios kanei mia parabash, eite giati h Poleodomia den ton elegxei, th "ladwnei". Epishs, eipe oti gia na dioristei enas giatros sto IKA, prepei na plhrwsei kapoia xrhmata, gia na brei qesh. Epishs, eipe kai gia thn Eforia. Ti diafora exei ayto, apo to gegonos oti kapoios giatros poy einai sto ESY, plhrwnetai gia na kanei th doyleia toy, oxi mono me to misqo poy toy dinei to kratos, alla dexetai, epipleon, dwro h "mpajisi" poy toy dinei opoiosdhpote. Poia einai h diafora sthn prajh; Ayto prospaqw na katalabw.

REPPAS: H diafora egkeitai sto oti o k. Kachs edwse thn entypwsh pws einai gnwsths sygkekrimenwn peristatikwn. Pws gnwrizei stoixeia, ta opoia kaleitai na paradwsei s` aytoys oi opoioi, kat` armodiothta, prepei na epilhfqoyn.

KARGOYDH: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ths perasmenhs Paraskeyhs syzhthqhke qema merikoy anasxhmatismoy;

REPPAS: Oyte sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ths perasmenhs Paraskeyhs, oyte se epomeno Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa syzhthqei to qema ayto.

ALEJAKH: Panw sto dhmosieyma ths "AQHNAIKHS" qa hqela na sas rwthsw: To dhmosieyma ths "AQHNAIKHS" leei to ejhs: otan egine toyrkikh askhsh, htan Ioynios toy Ag. Pneymatos peripoy, h toyrkikh askhsh "EFESOS '99", parabiasthke peripoy kata 15 naytika milia o eqnikos xwros...

REPPAS: Ennoeite ton eqniko xwro h to FIR Aqhnwn;

ALEJAKH: To FIR Aqhnwn. Eixame loipon parabiaseis 15 naytikwn miliwn kai malista oti yphrxan kai sxetikes notes apo thn Toyrkia stis opoies h Politikh Aeroporia, h opoia esteile kapoies apanthseis, th mia den thn katalaba kala, den katalaba oti einai mesa ston ellhniko xwro; Ti akribws exei symbei k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola afoy den eisaste apolyta sigoyrh ti exei ginei, giati den kanate, prin proxwrhsete s' ayto to dhmosieyma, kapoies erwthseis stoys armodioys, wste na exete th dikh toys qesh;

ALEJAKH: Emeis exoyme kai tis notes.

REPPAS: Qelw na kanw mia genikoterh parathrhsh, an moy epitrepete. Otan exete kapoia stoixeia ypoch sas, idiaiterws gia qemata ta opoia prepei oloys na mas dhmioyrgoyn mia prosqeth eyqynh gia to pws ta xeirizomaste, kalo einai na epikoinwneite me tis armodies yphresies, prokeimenoy na yparxei antilogos, na yparxei kai h dikh toys apoch, h opoia se para polles periptwseis -prepei na to dexteite kai seis- einai ayth poy aphxei kai thn alhqeia. To sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma, jekina apo to oti eginan gymnasia toyrkikwn aeroplanwn se xwroys poy anhkoyn sto FIR Aqhnwn. Prepei na sas pw oti kata kanona, ola sxedon ta gymnasia, ginontai sta legomena mikta FIR. Ola ayta ginontai afoy doqoyn oi sxetikes adeies apo tis armodies yphresies, poy h kaqe mia elegxei to antistoixo FIR. Den milame gia gymnasia entos toy eqnikoy mas xwroy. Anamenetai anakoinwsh apo thn Yphresia Politikhs Aeroporias. Prepei na sas pw oti oydolws exoyn qigei ta eqnika symferonta. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh akoloyqeitai mia praktikh h opoia einai para poly synhqismenh.

ALEJAKH: Dhladh den eginan etsi opws ta leei h efhmerida; Einai laqos ta shmata ta opoia exoyme; Exoyme tessera shmata, einai laqos ayta;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h ermhneia h o sxoliasmos epi twn keimenwn einai apolytws lanqasmenos. Kai gi' ayto odhgei se anakribh symperasmata.

ALEJAKH: Dhladh h ermhneia einai ayth h opoia den egine kala;

REPPAS: Einai o titlos, einai ta symperasmata sta opoia odhgeitai o syntakths ths efhmeridas, me apotelesma, na dinetai h entypwsh oti exei paradoqei eqnikos xwros, prokeimenoy h Toyrkia na kanei gymnasia. Pragma to opoio den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia.

ALEJAKH: Dhladh den htan se ellhniko xwro ta toyrkika gymnasia. Ayth einai h katalhjh sas;

REPPAS: Den einai se eqniko ellhniko enaerio xwro.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me ton k. Fiser ti qa syzhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Qa syzhthqoyn qemata ta opoia paroysiazoyn dimeres endiaferon, qemata ths E. E. O k. Fiser exei diatypwsei idees kai apoceis gia thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn. Me thn eykairia ths episkechs toy sthn Ellada, syzhta ola ayta ta qemata se ektash kai analytika me ton omologo toy k. Papandreoy. Toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn kai Amynas oi opoioi episkeptontai th xwra mas, synhqws, toys dexetai kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa syzhthqoyn, loipon, se genikes grammes ta qemata ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me ayto to qema ths anasygkrothshs, giati; Yparxei problhma me th Qessalonikh;

REPPAS: Milhsame gi' ayto to qema. Gnwrizete oti eimaste ayth thn wra se fash diapragmateysewn. Pisteyoyme oti, telikws, h apofash h opoia exei lhfqei sto Rio, opws eipa kai se prohgoymenh erwthsh poy moy teqhke thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, qa isxysei, qa efarmostei, giati antapokrinetai kai stis anagkes toy egxeirhmatos gia thn anasygkrothsh ths perioxhs. Kai bebaiws, apotelei kai mia syneph antimetwpish mias apofashs poy se epipedo Koryfhs exei labei h E. E.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy exei lhfqei ayth h apofash giati to syzhtate;

REPPAS: Giati exoyn diatypwqei, sto plaisio ths COMMISSION, antirrhseis apo diaforoys yphresiakoys paragontes. Kai ayto to syzhthsame. Einai kati poy, epishs, synhqizetai. Prepei na sas pw oti gia ola ayta ta qemata h qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs, einai krystallinh. Einai qesh maxhtikh, agwnistikh, prokeimenoy na yperaspistoyme ayth thn apofash poy elhfqh sto Rio, h opoia einai se apolyth armonia, oxi mono me ta ypo th stenh ennoia nooymena eqnika symferonta mas, alla kai me ta symferonta olwn twn allwn, olwn twn kratwn ths perioxhs, giati afora thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn.

Emeis epiqymoyme mia politikh gia thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Exoyme kati sygkekrimeno epi twn epikeimenwn ellhnotoyrkikwn synomiliwn;

REPPAS: Den exoyme tipota to sygkekrimeno. Ayto to opoio mporw na sas pw einai, oti tis epomenes hmeres qa ginei ayth h synanthsh, opws eixe apofasistei metajy twn dyo ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn. Apo thn ellhnikh pleyra sthn omada ayth qa symmetexei ws epikefalhs o politikos dieyqynths toy YPEJ k. Skopeliths. S' ayto to epipedo qa ginei h synanthsh, gi' ayto akribws to anaferw, gia na exete kai eseis ena stoixeio, gia to epipedo sto opoio qa ginei ayth h prwth epikoinwnia.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: To poy kai to pote;

REPPAS: Tis epomenes hmeres. Eipa thn epomenh periodo. Peri ta telh Ioylioy.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Poy qa ginoyn oi synomilies; Edw h sthn Agkyra;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio qa apofasistei. Qa ginoyn kai edw kai sthn Toyrkia.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Apo poy qa jekinhsoyn;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio den exei akomh apofasistei.

CAROPOYLOS: Mia mikrh aporia k. Ekproswpe: Se shmerinh synenteyjh sthn efhmerida "TA NEA" o k. Xrysoxoidhs leei oti qa parakoloyqoyntai ta boreia synora doryforika. Ap' oti jerw, oi Ellhnikes Enoples Dynameis den diaqetoyn doryforo. Qa hqela na rwthsw, apo poy qa promhqeytoyme tis doryforikes yphresies;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola, h texnologia parexei ayth th dynatothta. Den einai anagkh na diaqeteis diko soy doryforo. Mporeis na noikiaseis qesh se doryforo. Qesh se doryforo exoyn kai h ERT, poy metaferei ta programmata ths kai o Organismos Thlepikoinwniwn Ellados. Mporei loipon -peran twn ypo thn eyreia ennoia dhmosiwn forewn- kai me idiwtikoys foreis na symblhqei mia dhmosia yphresia, prokeimenoy na exei ayth th dynatothta. Den einai kati poy einai poly dyskolo na ginei. Isa-isa, einai kati para poly eykolo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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