Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-06-09

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Ioynioy 1999

Geia sas.

* O Ypoyrgos Typoy htan xqes sthn Karditsa, sto plaisio twn kommatikwn ypoxrewsewn toy kai shmera brisketai sth Syro, opoy qa ekfwnhsei omilia. Etsi, eimaste mazi.

* O Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Shmiths synanthqhke shmera me thn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Filandias k. Taria Xalonen, h opoia pragmatopoiei episkech sthn Aqhna. Einai h prwth prwteyoysa poy episkeptetai sto gyro twn episkecewn ths stis prwteyoyses twn xwrwn-melwn ths E. E., enocei ths analhchs ths Proedrias ths E. E. apo th Filandia, gia to 2o ejamhno toy trexontos etoys. Sth synanthsh htan parontes o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy kai o ypoyrgos anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn Giannos Kranidiwths. Eixe prohghqei synanthsh twn dyo antiproswpeiwn sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Gia th synanthsh ayth, menw mono edw stis qetikes epishmanseis ths k. Xalonen, gia thn energh paroysia ths Elladas kai tis ellhnikes prwtoboylies gia thn epiteyjh ths eirhnhs sth Gioygkoslabia.

* Opws gnwrizete proxwroyn oi diadikasies, qa elega, me grhgoro ryqmo pia, gia thn telikh egkrish twn apofasewn poy qa baloyn telos ston polemo sth Gioygkoslabia. H symfwnia sthn "Omada twn 8", sth synexeia oi diadikasies poy briskontai se ejelijh sto Symboylio Asfaleias, pisteyoyme oti poly syntoma mporei na odhghsoyn sthn apofash, h opoia qa akoloyqhqei apo thn ypografh ek meroys twn stratiwtikwn twn oswn exoyn symfwnhqei sto Koymanobo, gia na akoloyqhsei h seira twn energeiwn poy einai h apoxwrhsh twn Serbwn apo to Kosobo, kata th symfwnia, h eisodos ths eirhneytikhs dynamhs, h paysh twn bombardismwn. Mia diadikasia poy prepei na ginei, qa elega taytoxrona, mesa sto xronodiagramma poy symfwneitai.

Qelw na xairetisw thn katalhjh ayth, ek meroys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai na shmeiwsw thn ikanopoihsh mas, giati h ellhnikh stash dikaiwnetai. Oi ellhnikes prwtoboylies, oi protaseis, oi idees mas gia thn epiteyjh lyshs kai gia thn apemplokh se krisima shmeia twn diadikasiwn, eixan th dikh toys symbolh se olh ayth thn poreia.

* Me thn eykairia, qelw na apanthsw se epimones anafores ths N. D., h opoia den payei kai ayth th stigmh na prospaqei na ekmetalleyqei mikrokommatika ena qema, sto opoio den yparxoyn tetoia periqwria ekmetalleyshs.

H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, aneptyje synexeis diplwmatikes prwtoboylies. Paroysiase tis protaseis ths se ola ta dieqnh FORA. O Prwqypoyrgos htan se diarkh epikoinwnia me toys Eyrwpaioys hgetes, me toys omologoys toy. O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn htan parwn, apo to Pekino ews th Mosxa, ews to Elsinki, tis Bryjelles, thn Oyasigkton, se oles aytes tis faseis. Ola ayta h Nea Dhmokratia eimai bebaios oti ta antilambanetai. Protima, omws, sto bwmo ths mikrokommatikhs skopimothtas na ceydetai.

-Kai ceydetai h Nea Dhmokratia otan leei oti "h kybernhsh einai kleismenh sto kaboyki ths".

-Ceydetai h Nea Dhmokratia otan leei oti "h kybernhsh htan apoysa, oti h xwra mas htan apoysa".

-Ceydetai h Nea Dhmokratia otan leei oti "h xwra mas htan aboylos qeaths".

-Ceydetai h Nea Dhmokratia otan den anagnwrizei tis prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs.

Einai mia synhqeia poy h Nea Dhmokratia akoloyqei ton teleytaio kairo. Einai laqos. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh den epixeirei na plhjei thn kybernhsh. Sthn pragmatikothta ypobaqmizei tis prospaqeies poy h xwra katebale, prospaqeies poy anagnwrizontai apo oles tis pleyres.

* Kai mia poy exw ayth thn eykairia, qelw na kleisw ena qema poy syzhtoysame palaiotera. Me ton idio tropo poy shmera kathgorw th N. D. oti ceydetai, me ton idio tropo yposthrizw oti elege cemata, otan prospaqoyse na mas peisei kai na sas peisei kai na peisei ton ellhniko lao, oti eixe katachfisei to chfisma, thn apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, sto opoio metexei, chfisma to opoio htan poly sklhrotero kaqe alloy chfismatos poy eixe ekdoqei apo ta eyrwpaika kommata, chfisma ths eyrwpaikhs Dejias poy yioqetoyse plhrws th stratiwtikh epembash sto Kosobo, me anafores malista se genoktonia kai alla ta opoia exoyme syzhthsei edw.

Kai otan lew oti elege cemata kai tote h N. D., exw sth diaqesh sas, th "Synoch ths Synodoy toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos, ths 8hs Aprilioy", opws mas exei perielqei apo to Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma kai sthn opoia -sto shmeio "5" ayths ths Synochs- afoy anaferetai poioi pairnoyn to logo -kai exei parei to logo dyo fores o k. Dhmas- h teleytaia frash anaferei: "to keimeno, opws tropopoihqhke ginetai dekto, me omofwnia, apo to Symboylio".

Den gnwrizw na yparxei kamia apofash poy na exei... katachfistei apo paristameno kai na anakoinwnetai oti exei lhfqei me omofwnia. Den gnwrizw, ean apeixe o ekproswpos ths N. D. h an htan ektos aiqoyshs h an eixe epistrecei sthn Ellada. To bebaio einai oti oi epimones dhlwseis apo thn pleyra ths N. D. oti to keimeno ayto eixe katachfistei, apodeiknyetai, apo ta praktika toy E. L. K., oti den isxyoyn, oti htan ceydeis.

Ayta eisagwgika. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish. Twra poy plhsiazoyme sthn telikh lysh, exei dieykrinistei poio apo ta dyo senaria qa isxysei gia thn paroysia ths ellhnikhs dynamhs sto Kossyfopedio; O k. Tsoxatzopoylos eixe pei oti eite qa entaxqoyme ston amerikaniko tomea h qa pame se hremes perioxes sto boreio Kossyfopedio;

AQANASAKHS: H Ellada qa parei meros me Tajiarxia, to tagma ygeionomikoy-mhxanikoy kai to tagma pezikoy, gia ta opoia exete enhmerwqei. Ta qemata poy qetete, syzhtoyntai sthn telikh toys morfh sth stratiwtikh epitroph kai molis yparjoyn telikes dieyqethseis qa sas anakoinwqoyn. Yparxoyn qemata gia to poy qa pane oi dynameis, opws poses qa einai oi rwsikes dynameis... Einai akomh qemata poy kai ayth th stigmh, stis leptomereies toys, syzhtoyntai. H apoch mas einai oti qa eimaste se ena sygkekrimeno tomea me dioikhsh, isotima me tis alles dynameis poy symmetexoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Genike, prohgoymenws eipate oti, qelete na mas peite oti kai h N. D. einai to idio, den exei kamia diafora. Ayto den qelete na mas peite, oti einai san thn kybernhsh...;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi. To idio den einai, einai bebaio ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na teleiwsw. Oti opws h kybernhsh, dhladh, ypegrace th genoktonia twn Gioygkoslabwn, to idio ekane kai h N. D. Ayto qelete na mas peite. Ayto katalaba egw.

AQANASAKHS: Ayto katalabate eseis. Egw mporw na sas ejhghsw ti elega egw, an kai nomizw oti den qa xreiazotan. Prwton: Se kamia periptwsh den qa elega oti einai idia h kybernhsh me th N. D. Oi diafores einai terasties. Sto sygkekrimeno qema omws, gia to opoio milate, ayto poy syzhtoysame kai ayto poy kai eseis kai h N. D. mas exei apodwsei, htan to qema ths perifhmhs diglwssias kai to qema toy an h kybernhsh exei qesei ta qemata stoys organismoys stoys opoioys metexei. Ean h kybernhsh leei ta idia sto eswteriko kai an leei ta idia sto ejwteriko. Eixame yposthrijei, yposthrizoyme kai ayth einai h pragmatikothta, oti h kybernhsh ayta ta opoia yposthrizei sto eswteriko, ayta yposthrizei kai sto ejwteriko. Otan h kybernhsh kanei kapoy apoxh, ejhgei giati kanei apoxh. Otan h kybernhsh kapoy chfizei, ejhgei giati chfizei. Otan h kybernhsh anaptyssei mia prwtoboylia, ejhgei thn prwtoboylia ths. H N. D. epikentrwse thn kritikh ths s' ayto to shmeio, dioti den exei allh protash politikhs. Den hrqe h N. D. na mas pei "balte beto stis epixeirhseis". Den hrqe h N. D. na mas pei "balte beto sthn E. E., balte beto sto NATO, balte beto stis xersaies". Den eipe tipota tetoio sto epipedo ths politikhs. Entopise thn kritikh ths sto an h kybernhsh eixe kaqarh fwnh kai yposthrije oti h idia katachfise -epanalambanw: yposthrije oti katachfise- to sygkekrimeno chfisma toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos sto opoio metexei h N. D. Lew, loipon, ta praktika lene oti to chfisma ayto den katachfisthke apo th N. D. Ayto lene ta praktika. Th diglwssia, loipon, thn elleich kaqarhs fwnhs na thn anazhthsei h N. D. ston eayto ths, mazi me thn ypokrisia kai thn ceydologia ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw gia th diglwssia, epeidh eipate kai egw, egw epimenw sth diglwssia. Giati edw legate oti eisaste...

AQANASAKHS: Eseis mporeite na epimeinete...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Edw, legate oti eisaste yper ths eirhnhs kai phgainate kai ypografate -dyo fores- th genoktonia twn Gioygkoslabwn.

AQANASAKHS: Sas parakalw kyrie Stamatopoyle. To poia einai h apoch sas qa th gracete sthn efhmerida sas. Edw, an exete, qa moy kanete erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, giati eseis moy eipate "yposthrizate". Moy kanate proswpikh epiqesh. Eipate "kai eseis yposthrizate". Loipon, epeidh egw yposthriza, otan moy lete proswpika "eseis", egw lew kai eseis. Kai eseis milagate gia eirhnh kai ypografate tis dolofonies twn Gioygkoslabwn.

AQANASAKHS: Ayth einai h apoch sas kyrie Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lew eseis, epeidh legate gia prwtoboylies kai eirhnh kai oti o k. Papandreoy phgaine apo edw kai apo ekei. Kai erxeste loipon na lete shmera...

MOYRTZHS: Exoyme jestratisei apo to mprifingk.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati exoyme jestratisei apo to mprifingk kyrie synadelfe;

MOYRTZHS: Exoyme jestratisei. Edw erwthmata qetoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, erwthma einai. Ayto einai to mprifingk.

MOYRTZHS: Gnwmh soy.

AQANASAKHS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, toys oroys sto mprifingk den toys orizete monomerws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi...

AQANASAKHS: Mhn apanthsete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhn apanthsw; Moygkos eimai;

AQANASAKHS: Erwthsh exete na ypobalete kyrie Stamatopoyle;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayta poy eipa.

AQANASAKHS: Ayta den htan erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws, sas eipa gia th diglwssia poy moy eipate emena.

AQANASAKHS: Exete polyglwssia ayth th stigmh! Den kanete erwthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An sas enoxlei...

AQANASAKHS: Den mas enoxlei tipota.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti den sas enoxlei; Apofeygete thn erwthsh moy.

AQANASAKHS: Sas parakalw k. Stamatopoyle. Eipa oti o kaqenas exei ena rolo edw mesa. An den mporeite na antilhfqeite to diko sas rolo, lypoymai kai an exete ypodeijeis gia to diko moy, na moy tis kanete ektos ths aiqoyshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan moy lete oti...

AQANASAKHS: Teleia. Parakalw, exei kapoios allos erwthsh;

GARGALAKOS: Prokeitai entos ths hmeras na ginei apobibash twn Amerikanwn sto Litoxwro;

AQANASAKHS: Gnwrizete oti yparxei ayth h dynamh, opws exei zhthqei h dieleysh kai apo alles xwres, thn Italia, th Germania kai ton Kanada. Toy Kanada hrqe aeroporikws, katebhke sto aerodromio ths Qessalonikhs. Yparxei h prooptikh ths dieleyshs twn dynamewn aytwn, oi opoies entassontai sthn eirhneytikh dynamh meta thn epiteyjh ths symfwnias. O akribhs xronos, den einai gnwstos. Syndyazetai me thn ejelijh sto plaisio twn apofasewn poy sas periegraca prohgoymenws.

Shmeiwnw oti, opws eixame pei apo thn prwth stigmh kai opws epibebaiwnetai ayth th stigmh, oi dynameis oi opoies kai sto parelqon eixan perasei apo th Qessalonikh, dihlqan me thn proypoqesh oti qa ekinoynto pros th Gioygkoslabia meta thn epiteyjh symfwnias, ws eirhneytikh dynamh. Ayth th stigmh einai kai epiqymia twn Serbwn na kinhqoyn taytoxrona oi diadikasies giati einai ena xronodiagramma poy problepei thn aposyrsh twn serbikwn dynamewn, thn eisodo twn monadwn ths eirhneytikhs dynamhs, etsi poy na mh dhmioyrghqei keno. Ara, einai kaqara qema texniko, pote qa ginei h metakinhsh. Den qewrw oti yparxei politiko qema sto opoio prepei na anaferqw peraiterw.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Gia na dwsete aytes tis adeies ws kybernhsh, qa perimenete prwta na yparjei, na ekdoqei apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias;

AQANASAKHS: Einai se ejelijh ola ayta. Ayto poy oles oi pleyres lene, einai oti h dynamh prepei na einai etoimh. Den yparxei apo poyqena, ayth th stigmh, endeijh emplokhs. To Symboylio Asfaleias anamenetai na synelqei entos ths hmeras. Exei hdh dei to sxedio, se prwth fash. Oi stratiwtikoi, epishs, sthn oysia fainetai na oloklhrwsan to prwi tis synomilies toys sto Koymanobo. Ara, apo to shmeio poy briskomaste shmera kai sto ejhs, oso taxytera kinhqoyn ta pragmata, toso taxytera pame sth diakoph twn bombardismwn. Kai ayth einai h qelhsh olwn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete dhlwseis toy k. Ntemirel gia th meionothta ths Qrakhs, o opoios oyte ligo oyte poly eipe oti h Ellada den ektelei tis ypoxrewseis ths apenanti sth meionothta ths Qrakhs, molonoti -opws leei- einai melos ths E. E. kai toy NATO. Dierwtwmai giati anakinei h Toyrkia ayth thn wra qema meionothtas sth Qrakh;

AQANASAKHS: O k. Ntemirel eixe mia synanthsh kai epanelabe gnwstes lanqasmenes toyrkikes apoceis. Oi pantes gnwrizoyn oti oi Ellhnes Moysoylmanoi einai isotimoi polites, zoyn me plhrh sebasmo twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn toys. Gnwrizoyn epishs, oti kaqe xrono poy perna yparxoyn beltiwseis, opoy yparxoyn kapoia problhmata. Ayta ola krinontai kai sto eswteriko ths xwras mas kai se dieqneis organismoys. Pantws, h olh syzhthsh gia ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata -kai sto epipedo twn organwn ths E. E. - ginetai gia thn Toyrkia kai oxi gia thn Ellada.

KARGOYDH: Yparxoyn shmera polla dhmosieymata poy feroyn emmesws th N. D. na anamignyetai se diaspora arnhtikwn fhmwn gia to Xrhmatisthrio kai sth diamorfwsh enos klimatos kradasmwn, anasfaleias klp. Exei kati ypoch ths h kybernhsh; Pws sxoliazete ayth th fhmologia h ta dhmosieymata;

AQANASAKHS: Egw den gnwrizw ean h N. D. kanei kati tetoio. Qa moy fainotan ws esxato shmeio apelpisias, ean to ekane. Ayto poy mporw na pw einai oti me to Xrhmatisthrio, opoy pia metexoyn stis diadikasies toy polloi Ellhnes polites -miloyme gia peripoy 1.000.000 polites- kaneis den mporei na paizei. Kaneis den mporei na paizei me to Xrhmatisthrio, sto bwmo mikrokommatikwn skopimothtwn -ean kati tetoio exei symbei- h allwn skopimothtwn. To Xrhmatisthrio einai enas qesmos poy symballei sthn anaptyjh ths eqnikhs oikonomias. Exei mia sygkekrimenh qetikh poreia. Apaitei staqerothta h synexish ayths ths poreias. Kai mhn me bazete se peirasmo apo ayto to bhma na epanalabw poios mporei na diasfalisei th staqerothta ayth, giati mallon qa kathgorhqw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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