Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-05-21

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Maioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, h opoia asxolhqhke me dyo qemata:

* To prwto qema poy kyriws syzhthqhke, afora thn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Egine mia episkophsh twn teleytaiwn ejelijewn kai epanabebaiwqhke h qesh ths kybernhshs. O Prwqypoyrgos brisketai se synexh epikoinwnia me hgetes allwn xwrwn. O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn brisketai hdh sth Rwsia. Tis epomenes hmeres qa episkefqei thn Kina kai tis Hnwmenes Politeies. H Ellada epiqymei na einai paroysa kai qa synexisei na symbalei, se ola ta epipeda, me oles tis dynameis ths, gia thn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias stoys plhttomenoys prosfyges kai alloys polites, kaqws epishs qa pairnei meros se oles ekeines tis diergasies oi opoies ejelissontai, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei politikh lysh sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Einai epiqymia, pleon, pollwn xwrwn, to syntomotero dynato, na termatistei h krish, na epanelqei kai pali h hremia kai h eirhnh sthn perioxh. To blemma mas einai strammeno sthn epomenh hmera, stis eyqynes poy exoyme oloi na symbaloyme sthn anasygkrothsh ths perioxhs kai thn apokatastash twn synqhkwn gia anaptyjh twn kratwn ths Notiaonatolikhs Eyrwphs kai epiteyjh eyhmerias gia toys laoys ths.

* To deytero qema aforoyse tis epikeimenes eyrwekloges. Diapistwqhke oti h anadeijh ths politikhs ths kybernhshs apodidei karpoys, opws ejelissetai. Ola ta stelexh se ola ta epipeda kinhtopoioyntai. Entassontai stis grammes maxhs, prokeimenoy to apotelesma ths 13hs Ioynioy na einai nikhforo. Oi programmatismoi poy exoyme kanei, pisteyoyme oti qa efarmostoyn. Hdh, nomizw oti qa symfwnhsei h Nea Dhmokratia, meta thn protash poy diatypwsame gia th diejagwgh ayths ths thleoptikhs syzhthshs metajy twn dyo hgetwn, sthn arxh ths teleytaias pro twn eklogwn ebdomadas. Pisteyoyme oti aytos einai o kalyteros tropos na enhmerwqoyn oi polites oson afora tis politikes twn kommatwn, gia ta megala problhmata, poy aforoyn th xwra kai ton ellhniko lao.

Gnwrizete oti exoyn ginei polles syzhthseis sth Boylh se epipedo arxhgwn kommatwn. Mia egine molis proxqes. Mia allh epikeitai kai qa ginei thn epomenh ebdomada kai sygkekrimena thn Paraskeyh, 28 toy mhna, hmera poy kleinei h Boylh enocei twn eyrweklogwn. Antikeimeno ths syzhthshs ayths qa einai kai pali h politikh ths xwras mas apenanti sthn krish poy ekdhlwqhke sthn eyryterh perioxh. H syzhthsh ayth ginetai meta apo protash toy k. Karamanlh kai toy k. Tsobola. To anaferw ayto gia na sas ypenqymisw oti einai megalos o ariqmos twn syzhthsewn poy exoyn ginei sth Boylh ektos hmerhsias diatajhs. Oi syzhthseis aytes, gia diafora qemata, edwsan th dynatothta stoys arxhgoys twn kommatwn na anaptyjoyn to programma kai tis qeseis toy kommatos toys, wste na ta gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos. Pisteyoyme oti oi syzhthseis oi opoies prepei na ginoyn sthn proeklogikh ayth periodo qa prepei na symbaloyn sthn akoma megalyterh aposafhnish twn qesewn twn kommatwn, wste o poliths na gnwrizei jekaqara poia einai ta shmeia sygklishs kai poia ta shmeia diaforopoihshs kai apoklishs twn politikwn twn kommatwn. Ekproswpoi kommatwn qa paroyn meros stis syzhthseis poy organwnontai apo thleoptikoys kai radiofwnikoys staqmoys, alla kai apo entypa mesa enhmerwshs. O kaqenas qa exei th dynatothta na anaptyjei tis apoceis toy. Bebaiws, se epipedo arxhgwn pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na ginei ayth h syzhthsh metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, giati mia tetoia syzhthsh qa dwsei th dynatothta stoys polites, me safh kai sygkekrimeno tropo, na gnwrizoyn poia einai h politikh poy akoloyqoyn ta dyo kommata. Pisteyoyme oti den xreiazetai na dhmioyrghsoyme mia akoma "pasarela", opoy oi politikoi arxhgoi qa mporoyn na ekfwnoyn toys monologoys toys. Qa prepei na doqei h dynatothta stoys dyo politikoys hgetes na milhsoyn gia ta programmata toy kommatos toys, na anaferqei sta pepragmena toy kommatos toy o kaqenas kai na bohqhsoyn toys Ellhnes polites na katanohsoyn thn oysia kai to periexomeno ths politikhs poy ensternizontai

* Qelw, telos, na ekfrasw ta qerma syllyphthria moy stoys oikeioys toy Frenty Germanoy. O syggrafeas apo beloydo, o anqrwpos poy me alati kai piperi nostimise thn kaqhmerinh pezh zwh mas, exase th maxh shmera. Qa ton qymomaste. Htan enas jexwristos anqrwpos.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate "na gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos ta programmata twn ellhnikwn kommatwn". Giati na mh ginei ayth h syzhthsh kai na gnwrizei kai ta programmata twn allwn kommatwn; Kai ta alla kommata exoyn programmata. Mono ta dyo megala kommata exoyn programmata;

REPPA: Eipa oti ta alla kommata, isws, exoyn programmata, exoyn protaseis. H N. D. den exei programma, an qelete thn apoch ths kybernhshs. Ayto, bebaiws, qeloyme na syzhthqei, prokeimenoy na apokalyfqei me ton enargestero tropo. Isws, aytos einai o logos, poy h N. D. kat` arxhn, den epiqymei ayth thn kat` antiparaqesh syzhthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, prokeimenoy na apokalyfqei h endeia qesewn kai programmatos thn N. D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy apanthse, dexetai...

REPPAS: Giati me diakoptete. H h N. D. qelei na "poylhsei ekdoyleysh" sta alla kommata, paroysiazomenh ws yperaspisths twn dhmokratikwn dikaiwmatwn toys, enw sthn oysia den to epiqymei. H epiqymei symmetoxh kai twn allwn kommatwn -kai to epiqymei ayto gia na apofygei mia metwpikh antiparaqesh me thn kybernhsh kai na apokrycei etsi thn endeia ths- h den to epiqymei kai ypokrinetai, zhtwntas na paroyn meros, se mia tetoia diadikasia kai ta alla kommata. Ena ek twn dyo symbainei. Oti kai na symbainei, den tima th N. D. Oi alloi politikoi arxhgoi qa exoyn th dynatothta milhsoyn. Bebaiws, einai diko toys qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me ton Prwqypoyrgo...

REPPAS: Me ton Prwqypoyrgo, kat` epanalhch, exoyn diastayrwsei ta politika jifh toys se syzhthseis sth Boylh. Ayto einai kati poy pantote ginotan kai qa synexisei na ginetai. Epishs, tis qeseis twn kommatwn qa anaptyjoyn oi ekproswpoi toys, symmetexontas stis politikes syzhthseis, oi opoies qa diorganwqoyn kai qa diejaxqoyn apo thleoptikoys kai radiofwnikoys staqmoys kai qa metadoqoyn se olh thn Epikrateia. Hdh, ayth h diadikasia exei arxisei, afoy mphkame sthn proeklogikh periodo. Exoyme ekdwsei me th synadelfo Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn th sxetikh apofash, poy problepei thn ypoxrewtikothta diorganwshs, toylaxiston, tessarwn syzhthsewn, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn epikairothta kai thn poreia ths xwras, enocei twn Eyrweklogwn. Stis syzhthseis aytes qa symmetexoyn ekproswpoi olwn twn kommatwn, poy hdh ekproswpoyntai sto ellhniko h eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio. Pisteyw, loipon, oti oxi mono den yparxei apokleismos, alla moy epitrepetai na pw, oti yparxei plhqwrikh paroysia twn kommatwn kai twn ekproswpwn toys sta MME, toylaxiston, se sxesh me ayto poy isxyei se alles xwres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to leei mono h N. D. na einai kai ta alla kommata. Kai ta alla kommata kai oi alloi arxhgoi lene oti prepei na ginei.

REPPAS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa prin.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati den dexetai o Prwqypoyrgos na kanei dialogo, mesw thleorasews, me toys alloys arxhgoys twn kommatwn;

REPPAS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa prin gi ayto to qema. Htan analytikh kai anaferqhka se ola ta qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oti den dexetai, dhladh;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh diatypwse thn protash ths ayth, eyqys ej arxhs, se anypopth stigmh, edw kai arketo kairo. Kai xairomaste poy h N. D. thn apodexqhke, epeita apo kapoion prwto distagmo. Ayto einai poly qetiko giati qa dwsei th dynatothta stoys Ellhnes polites na gnwrizoyn poios exei me to ergo toy bohqhsei th xwra na kanei bhmata mprosta kai poios einai ekeinos, o opoios epixeirei na mhdenisei ta epiteygmata ths kybernhshs, ara kai thn proodo ths xwras, kai mono mesa apo thn ewlh epixeirhmatologia toy epixeirei na kerdisei thn empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy, paraplanwntas ton ellhniko lao. Pisteyw oti ola ayta qa apodeixqoyn. Ara, loipon, ayth thn wra, as badisoyme pros ayth th syzhthsh, xwris alloys xarakthrismoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate "apo kairo", omws, xqes to eipate. Giati lete oti to eipate apo kairo;

REPPAS: Qa sas parapemcw se dhmosieymata poy exoyn ginei, edw kai arketes ebdomades, otan hdh jekinhsame thn kampania mas, opoy ayto htan safes. Kai qa sas parapemcw, epishs, sthn politikh enhmerwsh, opoy dexqhka erwthsh kai apanthsa "asfalws, ayth einai h protash mas kai qa ginei". Xqes, milhsa sygkekrimena gia thn protash, thn opoia epishmws kanoyme. Hdh, ekproswpos toy PASOK anazhthse ekproswpo ths N. D. kai syzhthsan sxetika.

SOYGLERHS: Eipate oti h N. D. den exei programma. Se prosfath thleoptikh sas synomilia me ton ekproswpo ths N. D. k. Sphliwtopoylo, sas eipe oti poly eyxaristws qa sas steilei to diko toy programma. Qa endiaferqeite na to parete kai na enhmerwqeite;

REPPAS: Eyxaristws. Den to exei kanei mexri twra, pragma poy shmainei oti twra katartizei h N. D. to programma ths.

SOYGLERHS: Ayto ton kairo, dhladh, to katartizei;

REPPAS: Den exw labei otidhpote sxetiko, pantws. Ayto shmainei oti h N. D., xwris kan na einai kybernhsh, aqetei tis yposxeseis ths. Fantazeste ti qa ginei sthn apiqanh ayth periptwsh na ginei kai kybernhsh.

KARGOYDH: Eipate oti sth syzhthsh gia tis Eyrwekloges eteqh qema symmetoxhs olwn twn stelexwn toy Kommatos sas sthn proeklogikh maxh.

REPPAS: Den eteqh qema.

KARGOYDH: Syzhthqhke.

REPPAS: Syzhthqhke o programmatismos, o opoios einai se ejelijh gia thn ajiopoihsh olwn twn dynamewn, enocei ayths ths proeklogikhs maxhs. Eipa oti exoyn kinhtopoihqei ola ta stelexh, se ola ta epipeda, exoyn entaxqei stis grammes ayths ths nikhforas poreias pros tis Eyrwekloges.

KARGOYDH: Qelw na rwthsw an ayth h syzhthsh eixe san bash kapoia diapistwsh meiwmenhs diaqesimothtas, as poyme, symmetoxhs kapoiwn stelexwn. H aformh poia htan;

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. Egine mia episkophsh twn ejelijewn. Sto plaisio ayto syzhthqhke h proetoimasia kai h poreia toy Kinhmatos pros tis Eyrwekloges.

KARGOYDH: Programmatismos h apologismos;

REPPAS: Twra mphkame sthn proeklogikh periodo. Den exoyme kanei apologismo. Apologismo, koinws politiko tameio, qa kanoyme meta tis ekloges.

KARGOYDH: Qelw na pw oti, hdh, yparxei proeklogikh periodos. Qa exete kapoio prwto apologismo twn kinhtopoihsewn, ths apodoshs...

REPPAS: Ekana ena sxolio, to opoio sas diefyge. Eipa oti, hdh, apodidei karpoys h ekstrateia poy exoyme jekinhsei edw kai arketo kairo. To eipa sthn prwth topoqethsh moy.

GKOGKAS: Grafetai, shmera, ston Typo oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai sfodra dysaresthmenos me toys boyleytes toy kommatos toy -me merikoys apo toys opoioys synomilhse kai thlefwnika- epeidh den symmetexoyn ston proeklogiko agwna. To epibebaiwnete h to diaceydete;

REPPAS: Asfalws, ola ta stelexh symmetexoyn sto agwna poy kanei to PASOK enocei twn eyrweklogwn. Asfalws exoyn, me bash sygkekrimeno programmatismo poy kaname, entaxqei stis grammes ths eklogikhs maxhs. Kai, bebaiws, oloi kinoymaste sthn idia kateyqynsh.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an, gia to PASOK kai thn kybernhsh, yparxei isotimia kommatwn sth xwra mas.

REPPAS: Asfalws yparxei isotimia kommatwn h opoia anagnwrizetai apo to Syntagma toy Kratoys. Oydeis tolmhse na amfisbhthsei ayto to kaqestws. Alla, bebaiws, gnwrizete poly kala, oti kaqe komma, symfwna me thn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy, exei to diko toy jexwristo rolo. Yparxei to komma to opoio symmetexei sthn kybernhsh, yparxei to komma to opoio askei rolo ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Gnwrizete oti o epikefalhs, o hgeths ths kybernhtikhs paratajhs kai o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, exoyn diakritoys roloys, apo to Syntagma ths xwras. Mh zhtate, loipon, na katarghsoyme to Syntagma!

MIXAHL: H antiparaqesh ths N. D. me thn kybernhsh oso paei klimakwnetai kai pairnei pio entones kai ojymenes morfes kai se fraseologia kai se tonoys. H kybernhsh ektima oti ayto to epipedo antiparaqeshs tairiazei sth sygkyria poy exoyme ejaitias toy polemoy sth "geitonia" mas;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh einai paroysa me to ergo ths. Gnwrizete poly kala pws h kybernhsh xeirizetai megala qemata, poy aforoyn thn eswterikh zwh ths xwras. Opws epishs gnwrizete me pio tropo xeiristhke ayto to poly idiaiterhs shmasias qema ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. H kybernhsh pisteyei oti h politikh poy akoloyqhse einai h orqh. Qa elega oti einai h politikh poy den exei apenanti ths alles enallaktikes lyseis. Einai h monh lysh gia na einai h xwra asfalhs, afenos gia na diafylajoyme ta kekthmena, th staqerothta kai thn omalh poreia pros to mellon kai afeteroy gia na enisxysoyme thn paroysia ths xwras sto dieqnes periballon, anaptyssontas prwtoboylies se oloys toys tomeis. Pisteyoyme oti h politikh ayth toys briskei oloys symfwnoys, oti h pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy egkrinei, epidokimazei ayth thn politikh. Ara, loipon, o dromos poy akoloyqoyme einai aytos o opoios kai meta tis eyrwekloges -an o mh genoito den exei termatistei h krish- apotelei to monodromo gia thn poreia ths xwras kai gia toys xeirismoys poy prepei na kanei h kybernhsh apenanti s' ayto to problhma.

Oson afora twra ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, idiaiterws th N. D., epeidh akribws, ypoleipontai se politikes epidoseis, epixeiroyn me allo tropo na qolwsoyn to politiko topio, na dhmioyrghsoyn ena klima ojytaths antiparaqeshs, kathgorwntas xwris epixeirhmata thn kybernhsh, giati etsi pisteyoyn oti qa meiwsoyn ta epiteygmata ths kybernhshs. Egw pisteyw apolyta sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy. Oi Ellhnes polites gnwrizoyn, apo thn kaqhmerinh empeiria toys, an h kybernhsh exei bohqhsei wste na ginoyn kalyteroi oi oroi ths zwhs toys, an exoyme qwrakisei thn Ellada apenanti se mia tetoia ejwterikh apeilh h oxi. Kai pisteyw oti h apanthsh einai "nai". Kai o ellhnikos laos, epeidh akribws aythn thn apanthsh pisteyw oti dinei, qa ekfrasei th qesh toy ayth kai stis eyrwekloges toy Ioynioy.

TSARAS: O Prwqypoyrgos se oti afora sthn krish sth Gioygkoslabia, pws ektima ta pragmata; Pisteyei oti einai konta mia eirhnikh lysh h apomakrynetai ena tetoio endexomeno;

REPPAS: H basikh ektimhsh einai oti polles dynameis, pleon, sthn Eyrwph exoyn topoqethqei enantion ths xrhsimopoihshs xersaiwn dynamewn. Epiqymoyn ton termatismo ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio, to syntomotero dynato kai thn amesh enarjh diapragmateysewn me bash th symfwnia ths "omadas twn oktw". Fainetai pws to edafos einai prosforo. S' ayto to shmeio sygklinei kai h Gioygkoslabia. Qa prepei na ajiopoihqei ayth h xronikh stigmh. Einai isws h teleytaia eykairia poy prosferetai sth Dieqnh Koinothta kai th Gioygkoslabia, na jeperasoyme ayth thn krish me eirhniko kai diplwmatiko tropo. Kai pisteyoyme oti thn eykairia oloi prepei na thn ajiopoihsoyn. Ara, loipon, mporei kapoios na pei oti yparxoyn stoixeia aisiodojias, xwris omws na kalliergoyme ypermetres prosdokies.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Xqes, yphrxe ena toyrkiko aithma na perasoyn tria metagwgika aeroskafh, to opoio aperrifqh. Ayto htan to monadiko poy exei ypoblhqei to teleytaio diasthma; Yparxei allo se ekkremothta; Kai ena deytero erwthma: Eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei epafh kai me alloys omologoys toy. Me poioys;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai se taktikh, se synexh epikoinwnia me alloys Eyrwpaioys hgetes. Teleytaia epikoinwnia eixe me ton Kagkelario k. Srenter kai ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Italias k. Nt' Alema, me toys opoioys antallaje apoceis gi' ayta ta qemata.

Oson afora to prwto qema poy qesate me thn erwthsh sas, den exei diatypwqei analogo aithma sto parelqon. Pragmati, gia prwth fora xqes, apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias diatypwqhke pros to YPEJ ths xwras mas aithma na perasoyn apo to diko mas enaerio xwro aeroplana ths geitonikhs xwras me proorismo thn Eyrwph, metaferontas ylika poy qa xrhsimopoihqoyn gia tis epixeirhseis enantion ths Gioygkoslabias. H qesh mas einai arnhtikh. H politikh mas paramenei staqerh sto shmeio ayto. Den qa epitrecoyme na xrhsimopoihqei o enaerios xwros mas gia tetoioy eidoys epixeirhseis. Den prosferetai. To exoyme katasthsei safes ayto apo thn prwth stigmh. Paramenoyme s' ayth th qesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, eixame neo makeleio sto Beligradi. Sfages, pali, aqwwn poy eginan apo toys bombardismoys toy NATO, poy feroyn thn ypografh kai toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy. Exete na kanete kapoio kainoyrgio sxolio; Para tis eirhneytikes, poy lete.

REPPAS: Qa einai ypodeestero ths shmasias poy exei ayto to tragiko gegonos na ekfrasoyme apla th lyph mas. Eipa oti ayto poy exei shmasia einai na prospaqoyme wste to syntomotero dynato na epityxoyme mia eirhnikh lysh. Tetoioy eidoys gegonota, ta opoia einai tragika, einai apokroystika, epiballoyn akomh pio epitaktika thn anagkh na prospaqhsoyme oloi wste to syntomotero dynato na broyme mia eirhnikh lysh sthn krish ayth.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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