Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-05-14

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Maioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* O Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse to prwi me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Filandias k. Liponen. H Filandia analambanei thn Proedria ths E. E. gia to erxomeno ejamhno. O Proedros ths Filandias k. Aaktisari, prokeitai na analabei prwtoboylia se politiko kai diplwmatiko epipedo, ws proedreywn ths E. E. H epikoinwnia ayth twn dyo Prwqypoyrgwn, ths Elladas kai ths Filandias, odhghse sthn koinh qesh, tis epomenes hmeres, na episkefqei th Finlandia o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, o opoios qa plhroforhsei th filandikh kybernhsh, qa metaferei thn peira ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn krish sto Kossyfopedio kai tis prwtoboylies poy exoyn analhfqei gia thn antimetwpish ths. Pisteyoyme h prospaqeia ayth, metajy twn allwn prospaqeiwn poy exoyn analhfqei, na einai qetikh, na apodwsei.

* O Prwqypoyrgos, se peripoy mia wra, qa probei se sxetikes dhlwseis paroysiazontas to eyrwchfodeltio toy Kinhmatos.

* O k. Kranidiwths, brisketai sthn Kypro, eixe synanthsh shmera me ton k. Klhridh. Prepei na pw oti oi sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn kinoyntai se aristo epipedo. To klima einai idiaitera qetiko. Den yparxei opoiadhpote diafora h diafwnia se qemata politikhs, eite ayth einai ejwterikh, eite amyntikh. Yparxei sympleysh twn dyo kybernhsewn. Prepei na sas pw, me aformh dhmosieymata oti ayta den exoyn kamia sxesh me dhqen diafwnies, oson afora ton prosanatolismo, se ena poly shmantiko amyntiko qema h oson afora xeirismoys, oi opoioi prepei na ginoyn gia thn antimetwpish toy synafoys qematos. Se ayto eimai kathgorhmatikos.

MIXAHL: Teqhke apo poyqena ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Gia thn Kypro einai ena megalo qema kai prepei na einai safeis oi qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

* Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena sxolio me aformh tis syzhthseis poy ginontai kai toys problhmatismoys poy diatypwnontai, oson afora thn tyxh toy nomoy 2190 poy afora tis proslhceis sto Dhmosio. O nomos 2190 einai mia qesmikh katakthsh, einai ena epiteygma ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. H ellhnikh kybernhsh einai yperhfanh gia to nomo ayto, me ton opoio exoyn eisaxqei diafaneis kai antikeimenikes diadikasies gia thn proslhch politwn sto Dhmosio. Oyte yphrje, oyte yparxei qema allagwn toy nomoy 2190, sthn kateyqynsh apodynamwshs h parakamchs toy nomoy aytoy. H armodia Ypoyrgos syzhta me to ASEP qemata poy aforoyn thn taxyterh kai pio apotelesmatikh antimetwpish twn problhmatwn, ta opoia exoyn prokycei, oson afora tis diadikasies proslhchs. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me skeceis, oi opoies dhqen yparxoyn gia allagh toy kaqestwtos. Epanalambanw -kai ayth einai h telikh, safhs kai kathgorhmatikh qesh ths kybernhshs- oti h antikeimenikothta kai h diafaneia poy diepoyn ayto to systhma proslhcewn sto Dhmosio qa diafylaxqoyn apo thn kybernhsh ws korh ofqalmoy. Teleia kai payla. Otidhpote syzhteitai metajy ths kybernhshs kai toy ASEP, syzhteitai prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn me kalytero tropo ta problhmata, ta opoia aforoyn anapotelesmatikothta h bradythta sthn olh diadikasia twn diagwnismwn gia thn proslhch sto Dhmosio. Tipota allo. Qa endynamwqei akomh peraiterw o nomos 2190. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti kat` epanalhch, exei dokimastei sthn prajh, exei epaineqei h antikeimenikothta toy nomoy aytoy, toy plaisioy twn diadikasiwn poy problepei. Einai mia shmantikh qesmikh katakthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me thn teleytaia dhlwsh poy kanate, apantate ston k. Giannopoylo; Aytos eipe oti den mporei aytos o nomos na leitoyrghsei. "Den mporoyme na diorisoyme, exoyme enamish xrono twra poy prospaqoyme na baloyme kapoioys kai aytos o nomos toy Peponh mas exei stamathsei". Ep` aytoy apantate;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos, epeidh gnwrizei ta qemata, opws den ta gnwrizoyn polloi alloi oi opoioi asxoloyntai kai sxoliazoyn ta sxetika qemata, sto plaisio toy nomosxedioy toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, poy syzhteitai sth Boylh, metajy twn allwn, proxwra sthn proslhch enos shmantikoy ariqmoy politwn poy qa exoyn ta kaqhkonta fylajhs twn fylakwn. Ta kaqhkonta ayta askoyn mexri twra andres ths ELAS. Dhmioyrgeitai ena neo swma fylajhs twn fylakwn. H diadikasia proslhchs aytwn twn atomwn, poy anerxontai stoys 1300, einai diadikasia antikeimenikh, basei moriwn, opws akribws exei ginei kai se analoges periptwseis sto parelqon, gia thn proslhch pyrosbestwn, limenofylakwn kai twn synoriakwn froyrwn poy egine prosfata kai to swma ayto twra jekina na leitoyrgei. Ara, einai mia diadikasia, h opoia problepetai, exei efarmostei, aythn eishgeitai o k. Giannopoylos. Ola ta alla, loipon, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn politikh poy askei h kybernhsh, h opoia einai eniaia, einai dedomenh kai safhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Peponhs, poy exei ftiajei ayto to nomo, antedrase ap` oti jeroyme se ayth th diadikasia, opws kai oloi oi alloi sthn antipoliteysh, alla kai apo to PASOK poy antedrasan gia ton tropo me ton opoio ginontai aytes oi proslhceis. Den einai, loipon, katarghsh toy nomoy, ayto poy ginetai twra sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Antiqetws. To ASEP mporei na elegjei ton pinaka, o opoios prokyptei apo th moriodothsh twn ypochfiwn pros proslhch. H diadikasia ayth einai apolytws symfwnh kai idia me th diadikasia poy akoloyqhqhke se analoges periptwseis. Einai antikeimenikh kai diafanhs. Den allazei tipota, oyte kata keraia, oson afora to systhma proslhcewn. Ayto prepei na einai safes. H diadikasia ayth poy afora thn proslhch fylakwn stis ellhnikes fylakes einai akribws ayth, h opoia akoloyqhqhke gia thn proslhch enstolwn yphretoyntwn sto Dhmosio, se analoges periptwseis sto parelqon. Ara, loipon, den yparxei opoiadhpote parekklish, opoiadhpote diaforopoihsh. Antiqetws, yparxei epanalhch kai ej aytoy toy logoy kai epanabebaiwsh ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme ston tomea ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, o k. Peponhs, den to katalabainei ayto kai diamartyretai;

REPPAS: An qelete na bgalete kapoio symperasma, parakalw mh me kaleite na to symmeristw kai na symmetasxw sth symperasmatologia sas. Otan lete "dhladh", aytomatws eseis kanate mia skech kai qelete ki egw na labw meros sth dikh sas skech. Egw sas lew poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. O k. Peponhs einai aytos o opoios prwtostathse kai eishghqhke to nomo 2190 kai egw eimai ej ekeinwn poy qermotata yposthrija ayth thn eksygxronistikh tomh. Eixa milhsei sth Boylh, eixa analabei prwtoboylies me alloys synadelfoys. Mporei na anatrejete, eite sta praktika, eite sta dhmosieymata twn efhmeridwn ekeinhs ths epoxhs, gia na deite oti ayto poy htan ena ek twn prwtwn nomoqethmatwn toy PASOK, agkaliasthke apo to synolo ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. H N. D. htan ayth, h opoia kai tote den sthrije to nomo ayto kai ton kathggeile kai twra pali me krokodeilia dakrya erxetai na yperaspistei dhqen to nomo. Alla, bebaiws, h N. D. gnwrizete poly kala, ws ftero ston anemo, kairoskopika allazei thn politikh ths stash, analogws twn synqhkwn poy kaqe fora epikratoyn, analogws toy poioi omiloyn kai analogws poy omiloyn kai se poioys apeyqynontai. Kai mporw, me thn eykairia ayth, na anaferw ena xarakthristiko paradeigma, to opoio afora thn apallagh twn OTA apo xreh poy eixan sysswreytei prokeimenoy na enisxyqoyn oi kapodistriakoi dhmoi kai h anaptyjiakh toys prospaqeia:

O k. Sphliwtopoylos, ws ekproswpos ths N. D., me anakoinwsh toy proxqes, kathgorhse thn kybernhsh gia faylothta, legontas pws to xarisma aytwn twn xrewn deixnei poso h kybernhsh einai faylh kai palaiokommatikh. Prepei na sas pw oti thn teleytaia periodo, stis 26 Aprilioy, se sxetikh eperwthsh boyleytwn ths N. D. pros thn ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, boyleytes ths N. D. metajy twn allwn qetoyn ayto to qema. Diabazw apo ta praktika: "H elleich endiaferontos apo pleyras kybernhshs gia th ryqmish palaiwn xrewn twn katarghqentwn OTA kai kyriws twn palaiwn prwhn koinothtwn exei odhghsei polloys neosystatoys dhmoys se adynamia oysiastikhs leitoyrgias toys".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios to rwthse ayto, rwthsame emeis tetoio pragma;

REPPAS: Egw, omws, apantw. Opws den me enoxloyn oi erwthseis, den qa sas enoxloyn kai oi apanthseis. Epishs, se allo shmeio twn praktikwn lene ta ejhs: "H kybernhsh, para to oti to exoyme tonisei edw epaneilhmmenws, den exei parei kanena apolytws metro, na ejygianei oikonomika aytoys toys dhmoys kai prepei na parei tetoia metra". Yparxoyn polla apospasmata poy mporw na diabasw. Kai bebaiws, o k. Flwridhs apo tote apantwntas eixe pei oti h Kybernhsh prokeitai na labei sxetikes prwtoboylies. Ayto einai ena xarakthristiko paradeigma, gia na deite, pws to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, analogws twn peristasewn, paroysiazei thn politikh toy. Na milhsoyme gia synepeia; Gia ypeyqynothta; Gia ti na milhsoyme edw pleon; Gia palaiokommatismo, gia diaboykolhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs kai gia ekmaylismo twn politwn; Giati peri aytoy prokeitai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Peponhs sth N. D. anhkei;

REPPAS: O k. Peponhs anhke, anhkei kai qa anhkei sto PASOK. Ej oswn gnwrizw, to exei dhlwsei o idios kai tima me th symmetoxh toy ayth th megalh paratajh.

MIXAHL: Giati, efoson einai etsi ta pragmata, opws mas ta lete, o k. Giannopoylos kateqese tropologia, h opoia jeshkwse qyella diamartyriwn, kai sygkekrimena tropologia, oxi se diko toy nomosxedio, alla tropologia poy na epitrepei allagh toy nomoy 2190 sto sygkekrimeno shmeio. Giati, loipon, o k. Giannopoylos -poy jerei toso kala ta nomika kai ws ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs kai taytoxrona, jerei th qesh ths kybernhshs- phge na kanei thn tropologia kai den ekane ayto poy lete eseis, opws ekane tis prohgoymenes fores;

REPPAS: Ayto, akribws, eipe o k. Giannopoylos: Oti h diadikasia, h opoia qa akoloyqhqei gia thn proslhch twn sygkekrimenwn atomwn, einai ayth poy exei sto parelqon epanalhfqei gia analoges kathgories ergazomenwn. To oti dhmioyrghqhke olh ayth h syzhthsh ofeiletai, eite se paranohsh kapoiwn, oi opoioi den gnwrizoyn kala ta qemata kai anadeixqhke, etsi, ena qema ek toy mh ontos.

MIXAHL: Etsi lete eseis, k. Ypoyrge. Alla, epitrecte moy na sas pw oti, shmera, o yfypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Tzannhs, eipe sth Boylh oti einai anarmodioi kapoioi na milane gia th diadikasia twn proslhcewn. Armodio einai to armodio ypoyrgeio. Poioi einai oi anarmodioi ths kybernhshs poy milane gi` ayto;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizete oti kaqe ypoyrgos einai armodios kai ypeyqynos gia thn politikh sto diko toy xwro; Kai den gnwrizete oti kaqe ypoyrgos, afoy einai melos ths sygkekrimenhs kybernhshs, efarmozei thn politikh ths kybernhshs; Kai den gnwrizete -afoy to eipa, molis twra- poia einai h politikh ths kybernhshs ston tomea twn proslhcewn; Ara, loipon, ola ayta einai gnwsta, einai aposafhnismena, einai dedomena, den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Parakalw, mhn epanerxeste, giati tote qa dwsete kai se mena th dynatothta na pw oti synthreite ena qema kai etsi, dhmioyrgoyntai polles parejhghseis, xwris na yparxei logos. Den yfistatai qema allaghs toy nomoy 2190. Einai safes ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi!

REPPAS: Ara, loipon, mhn kathgoreite emas, oti dhmioyrgoyme h synthroyme qemata. Otan lew oti den yparxei qema allaghs toy nomoy 2190 kai eseis lete oti "den einai ikanopoihtikh h apanthsh poy dinete, emeis pisteyoyme oti qa allajei o nomos" h ayto yponoeite, antilambaneste pws tote h synthrhsh toy qematos ofeiletai se sas, oxi se mas. Ara, loipon, mhn egkaleite emas. Efarmozetai ena systhma proslhcewn, edw kai peripoy eji xronia, to opoio pisteyw oti exei ejygianei, se shmantiko baqmo, kai s` ena poly neyralgiko tomea, th sxesh toy polith me to kratos. Kai prepei na to anagnwrisete ayto.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh exei katasthsei safh th stash ths, safh, apo thn arxh twn bombardismwn, oti efoson einai melos toy NATO, prepei na einai entajei stis ypoxrewseis ths. Taytoxrona, omws, exei ekfrasei kai thn politikhs diafwnia gia tis epixeirhseis toy NATO sto Kossyfopedio. Mhpws, loipon, twra, meta kai toys synexizomenoys anelehtoys bombardismoys twn teleytaiwn wrwn sth Gioygkoslabia, h stash sas paramenei h idia;

REPPAS: H stash mas paramenei h idia. Giati eimaste mia kybernhsh h opoia exei safh politikh, thn exei katasthsei gnwsth se oles tis pleyres. Analambanoyme prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na epispeysqei h diadikasia ekeinh, h opoia exei analhfqei gia na broyme mia politikh lysh sthn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Symmetexoyme se tetoies prospaqeies kai sto plaisio aytwn twn prwtoboyliwn kai twn prospaqeiwn entassetai kai h shmerinh epikoinwnia toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Filando omologo toy.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti, para tis prospaqeies kai tis prwtoboylies, eite ths Elladas, eite ths Rwsias, eite ths germanikhs Proedrias, eite toy G-8 k. lp., to NATO synexizei na bombardizei me ayjanomenh klimaka. Kai exoyme kai ton k. Mpler poy leei, mexri telikhs ptwsews h qa fygei o Milosebits h den stamatame me tipota. Mhpws, loipon, ayto sas problhmatizei, genikotera, gia to poy paei to pragma;

REPPAS: Kaqe prwqypoyrgos, kanei ayto poy pisteyei oti antapokrinetai sta symferonta ths xwras toy. Ayto prepei na kanoyme ki emeis gia th dikh mas xwra. Einai safhs h qesh mas. Asfalws, h isorropia einai poly eyqraysth. Pisteyw, omws, oti exoyme antepejelqei me poly megalh epityxia sthn prospaqeia ayth na anadeijoyme th diplh taytothta mas, na apokthsoyme diplh ajiopistia kai na apospasoyme, an qelete, qetika sxolia ap` oles tis pleyres poy briskontai se antiparaqesh, ojytath malista, gia tis prwtoboylies poy exoyme anaptyjei. Einai kati to opoio to gnwrizete ki eseis.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean exoyn zhthqei dieykolynseis apo to NATO gia na perasoyn NATOika aeroskafh apo ton enaerio xwro h na xrhsimopoihqoyn kapoies stratiwtikes baseis;

REPPAS: Emeis, exoyme katasthsei, apo thn arxh, safh th qesh mas: Oti o ellhnikos enaerios xwros den prosferetai gia tetoioy eidoys epixeirhseis. Allh syzhthsh gia paroxh dieykolynsewn den exei ginei. Epanalambanw, omws, oti oloi gnwrizoyn poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai sth qesh ayth qa parameinoyme ametakinhtoi.

SOYRMELIDHS: H nea domh toy NATO den ypoxrewnei th xwra, thn kybernhsh na dexqei orismenoys oroys h kanones;

REPPAS: H nea domh toy NATO den exei sxesh me thn antimetwpish ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Sto plaisio ths neas domhs toy NATO problepontai orismenes ypoxrewseis kai ypodomes. Allwste, mexri twra, gnwrizete poly kala, oti to NATO exei sth diaqesh toy kai mporei, me thn ikanopoihsh kapoiwn diadikasiwn kai proypoqesewn, na xrhsimopoihsei tis baseis poy exoyn natoiko xarakthra kai aytes einai h mia sth Soyda kai h allh sto Aktio. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den prokyptei allh ypoxrewsh ths Elladas na labei meros se epixeirhseis san aytes poy einai se ejelijh sth Gioygkoslabia. Exoyme kanei gnwsth th qesh mas. Gnwrizete, mexri twra, oti den exoyme labei meros stis epixeirhseis. Paramenoyme s` ayth th qesh. Den exei kamia epiptwsh h nea domh toy NATO, oson afora thn askhsh ths politikhs mas, se ena toso shmantiko qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy qa exei epafes me th filandikh kybernhsh, poy analambanei thn proedria ton Ioylio, gia tis eirhneytikes prwtoboylies toy Ioylioy, lete, dhladh. Tote analambanei.

REPPAS: H erwthsh poia einai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H erwthsh einai: Exei epafes, epeidh analambanei thn proedria ton Ioylio. Tote qa analabei, dhladh, eirhneytikes prwtoboylies h Filandia. Gia tote miloyme.

REPPAS: Eseis ws dhmosiografos, prepei na eiste perissotero apo mena enhmerwmenos. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o Proedros ths Filandias k. Aaktisari, exei ginei dekths apocewn, protasewn kai eishghsewn kai amesws arxizei na empleketai, ws epomenos proedreywn ths E. E., stis politikes kai diplwmatikes kinhseis, oi opoies ginontai, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h krish sto Kossyfopedio. Ayto ginetai twra. Asfalws, h Filandia analambanei kaqhkonta Proedrias apo ton erxomeno Ioylio. Alla o k. Aaktisari, ws Proedros ths Filandias, einai enas paragwn, o opoios empleketai amesws stis diadikasies gia thn anazhthsh politikhs lyshs. Sto plaisio ayto, loipon, einai poly shmantikh h episkech toy k. Papandreoy sth Filandia kai elpizw na apodwsei karpoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eteqh twra, stis synanthseis poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh, apo kapoio jeno epishmo, qema epektashs ths xwras toy;

REPPAS: Qema epektashs ths xwras toy;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai.

REPPAS: Einai qemata ta opoia exei antimetwpisei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Den tiqetai tetoio qema. Dioti h Ellada exei katasthsei safes -kai ayto egine epishs dekto kai perilambanetai, opws gnwrizete, metajy twn allwn, sth symfwnia ths omadas twn oktw- oti ta synora sthn perioxh einai dedomena, einai aparabiasta, den allazoyn. Ayth einai h qesh poy exoyn dexqei oloi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote giati, milwntas s' aytoys toys neoys boyleytes ths Eyrwphs eipe oti orismenoi hgetes twn xwrwn aytwn, twn balkanikwn dhladh, "nomizoyn pws diagoyme thn prwth dekaetia toy aiwna mas, nomizoyn akoma pws briskontai sthn epoxh twn Balkanikwn polemwn kai oramatizontai mia megalh xwra, mia shmantikoterh xwra"; Me poio aitiologiko to eipe ayto o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Me bash ta osa exete kai eseis kai oloi mas ypoch mas. Den gnwrizete, sxoliasame to sxetiko qema thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, oti apo thn pleyra ths Albanias diatypwnontai apoceis, apo polloys kykloys, gia synexish twn exqroprajiwn sth Gioygkoslabia; Gia synexish twn natoikwn epixeirhsewn, epeidh ayth einai h politikh proseggish poy kanei h geitonikh xwra gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio; Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn einai poly kales. Ayto epibebaiwnetai. Kinoymaste se ena poly qetiko klima, sto plaisio twn dimerwn sxesewn. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, yparxoyn aytes oi mikres diaforopoihseis, aytes oi apokliseis, oi opoies ypakoyoyn ston kanona gia ton opoion milhsa prin apantwntas se allh erwthsh. Oti, dhladh, kaqe hgesia se kaqe xwra kanei epilogh politikhs me bash ta symferonta poy ekeinh pisteyei oti prepei na prowqhsei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, o k. Maiko den syzhthse kati me ton k. Shmith, den eqese tetoio qema...

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti o k. Maiko den eqese ston k. Shmith qema anagkhs allaghs twn synorwn sthn perioxh.

GKOGKAS: Grafetai shmera ston Typo oti to ellhniko dhmosio syzhta, me th diamesolabhsh ths amerikanikhs presbeias, prokeimenoy na kanoyn diakopes sth Xalkidikh 22.000 Amerikanoi stratiwtes. Exete na mas dwsete kapoia parapanw stoixeia;

REPPAS: Ta stoixeia poy dinei o Proedros twn Jenodoxwn, o k. Andreadhs, o opoios exei dwsei safh apanthsh: oti exoyn ginei metajy twn endiaferomenwn kapoies epikoinwnies, alla oi ariqmoi poy anaferontai, p. x. gia 22.000 stratiwtes oi opoioi qa parameinoyn sthn perioxh, einai stoixeia pantelws anakribh. Epikaloymai ayta ta opoia eipe kai o k. Andreadhs, o opoios gnwrizei to qema.

GKOGKAS: Dhladh, qa einai mikroteros o ariqmos;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den exei emplokh s' ayto to qema. Gnwrizw oti sxoliasthke qetika ena tetoio endexomeno apo toys epixeirhmaties ths perioxhs. Apo kei kai pera o k. Andreadhs exei milhsei me leptomereies, anafere sygkekrimena stoixeia. Sas parapempw stis dikes toy dhlwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, gia to idio qema.

REPPAS: Nai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Stratiwtes qa einai aytoi. 22.000, estw kai 10.000 stratiwtes. Den sas endiaferei oti qa paramenoyn sth Xalkidikh;

REPPAS: An kapoios einai stratiwths kai qelei na kanei diakopes, den nomizw oti toy apagoreyetai na kanei diakopes. Alla stratiwths o opoios anhkei se syntetagmenh dynamh, me oplismo, etoimos na labei meros se epixeirhseis, antilambaneste oti den exei kamia sxesh me kapoion o opoios kanei toyrismo kai filojeneitai se mia perioxh. Einai allo to ena, allo to allo. Tetoio qema den yfistatai. Epeidh qetete, emmesws plhn safws, qema paroysias stratiwtikwn dynamewn sthn Ellada kai malista s' ena toso megalo ariqmo sas lew, ek meroys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, oti tetoio qema den yparxei. Ola ta alla, ta opoia aforoyn thn episkech toyristwn se jenodoxeia ths perioxhs, ta antimetwpizei to Epimelhthrio. O Proedros toy exei kanei sxetikes dhlwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H mazikh episkech stratiwtwn toyristwn, den sas apasxolei;

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na mas peite poia einai h eggyhsh oti den qa broyme kanenan olmo ejw apo kamia pisina;

REPPAS: Parakalw, na kleisoyme ayth thn parenqesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai parenqesh, einai sobaro to qema.

REPPAS: Epeidh einai poly sobaro, gi' ayto lew na kleisei h parenqesh ths, kat' ayton ton tropo, epipolaihs antimetwpishs toy, giati yparxei mia ilarothta. Sas lew, loipon, oti tetoio qema, stratiwtikwn dynamewn kai malista se tetoio ariqmo, den yparxei. Hmoyn kathgorhmatikos. Apo kei kai pera, gia ta alla qemata poy aforoyn ton toyristiko tomea, exei apanthsei o Proedros twn Jenodoxwn. Den eimai safhs;

GKOGKAS: Eipate prin oti den yparxei kamia diastash apocewn me thn kypriakh Kybernhsh gia qemata ths amynas. Apo oso gnwrizw o k. Klhridhs anamenei edw kai dyo mhnes mia apanthsh apo ton k. Shmith gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn amyna sthn Kypro. Den thn exei labei ayth thn apanthsh. Ti akribws symbainei;

REPPAS: Den eiste kala plhroforhmenos. Oi dyo politikoi epikoinwnoyn, antallassoyn apoceis kai epistoles. Den perimenei o enas ek twn dyo na perasei kapoio xroniko diasthma, dyo mhnwn opws lete, prokeimenoy na labei apanthsh apo ton allon. Ana pasa stigmh mporei na epikoinwnhsoyn kai na antallajoyn apoceis. Ara, loipon, den eystaqei aytos o isxyrismos.

FLORES: Poies einai oi proypoqeseis poy qetei h Ellada stis HPA wste na dextei tis nhocies, gia to petrelaiko empargko enantion ths Gioygkoslabias; Yparxei kati newtero;

REPPAS: To qema ayto qa antimetwpistei tis epomenes hmeres, sthn arxh ths epomenhs ebdomados. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs, qa diatypwsei tis epifylajeis ths, anaferomenh se sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis h oroys, oi opoioi qa prepei na diasfalistoyn. Den qa prepei oi nhocies na ginontai katw apo ton 40o parallhlo, den qa prepei na ginontai adiakritws se ola ta ploia ta opoia pleoyn sthn perioxh, kai bebaiws den qa prepei na ginontai nhocies me enan tetoio tropo wste na plhgei h eleyqerh naysiplo'a sthn perioxh, gia logoys poy exoyn sxesh me ton toyrismo kai to emporio. Alla, ayto to qema -epanalambanw- qa syzhthqei stis arxes ths epomenhs ebdomadas. Anamenetai na ginei h syzhthsh kai tote qa gnwrizoyme perissoteres leptomereies.

BITALHS: Epimenoyme sth qesh poy exoyme diatypwsei sto qema twn nhociwn, oti o katallhlos xwros gia na ekfrastei ayto to zhthma einai na yparjei kapoia apofash toy OHE;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei eyqys ej arxhs oti o OHE kai to Symboylio Asfaleias, qa prepei na emplakoyn se ola ta mhkh kai ta plath twn diadikasiwn poy ejelissontai gia thn anazhthsh lyshs sthn krish toy Kossyfopedioy. To exoyme pei ayto. Apo kei kai pera, ta qemata syzhtoyntai, h zwh exei ena taxy ryqmo, qa prepei na eimaste parontes kai na lambanoyme tis qeseis poy prepei na laboyme, symfwna me ta symferonta ths xwras. Kai ayto kanoyme.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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