Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-03-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Martioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete kati na mas peite gia poio logo ginetai h syskech toy k. Shmith sth Boylh, poy arxise stis 12;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei shmera diafores synergasies me Ypoyrgoys kai alloys paragontes. To prwi synanthqhke me toys syntajioyxoys. Argotera eixe synergasies me diaforoys Ypoyrgoys. Dexqhke, opws sas eixa proanaggeilei, ton epikefalhs ths anejarthths dioikhtikhs arxhs gia thn Prostasia twn Proswpikwn Dedomenwn K. Dafermo, Sth synexeia eixe synergasia me ton k. Xrysoxoidh kai ton k. Apostolidh, me thn eykairia ths topoqethshs toy deyteroy, ws epikefalhs ths EYP. Akoloyqws, synergasthke me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai thn kyria Papandreoy kai ayth thn wra qa dexqei toys ekproswpoys ths amerikanikhs kai ebraikhs koinothtas sthn Aqhna.

SOYGLERHS: Gia th sygkekrimenh syskech, poy arxise stis 12 h wra, me parontes ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, thn kyria Papandreoy kai ton k. Xrysoxoidh, ap` oti maqame, mhpws exei sxesh me thn tromokratia;

REPPAS: Syzhthsan qemata ths epikairothtas, qemata ths armodiothtas twn ypoyrgwn. O Prwqypoyrgos ajiopoihse th dynatothta, poy exei shmera logw ths mh synedriashs kybernhtikoy organoy kai programmatise aytes tis synergasies.

ROYMPANHS: Ws Ypoyrgos Enhmerwshs, mporeite na mas kanete kalyterh enhmerwsh gi` aytes tis synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Einai oi taktikes synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys. Exw pei polles fores oti aytes oi synergasies den apoteloyn eidhsh giati einai kaqhmerines.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Exei kapoia sxesh ayth h syskech me tis allages poy shmeiwqhkan sth Germania; Kai kati allo: Qa proxwrhsei ayth h istoria me thn kinhsh twn grafeiwn poy kataklyzontai oi efhmerides kaqhmerina apo anakoinwseis diaforwn etaireiwn poy throyn arxeia kai anarwtiomaste pws fakelwnoyn ton ellhniko lao, ektos apo thn Asfaleia;

REPPAS: Gia poio pragma milate;

PAPADOPOYLOS: An anoijete thn efhmerida kaqe mera qa deite opoiadhpote etaireia gnwstopoiei basei toy nomoy oti threi arxeio k. lp., posoi fakelwnoyn ton ellhniko lao ektos apo thn Asfaleia.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete -allwste kai oi idies oi etaireies epikaloyntai to nomo- oti yparxoyn dynatothtes, me to isxyon nomiko plaisio, na organwnei kaqe etaireia, kaqe epixeirhmatikos foreas to arxeio twn pelatwn toy. Apo ekei kai pera, leitoyrgei -kai idoy h eytyxhs symptwsh ths shmerinhs synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton K. Dafermo- h anejarthth dioikhtikh arxh gia thn Prostasia twn Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, poy perifroyrei ton idiwtiko bio kai ta aporrhta stoixeia h ta proswpika stoixeia ta opoia qelei enas poliths na parameinoyn mystika.

Oson afora, to prwto qema den einai antikeimeno tetoias syskechs, giati den mporei na einai antikeimeno syskechs kybernhtikwn paragontwn oi politikes ejelijeis sth Germania. Oi eswterikes ejelijeis sth Germania den mas aforoyn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epwfeleiste apo ayth thn allagh;

REPPAS: Sas lew oti den einai qema poy mas afora.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To PASOK den to afora;

REPPAS: Den einai qema poy mas afora. Einai eswteriko qema ths Germanias.

MIXAHL: Giati symmeteixe sth syskech ayth o k. Kranidiwths, o opoios den eixe anakoinwqei;

REPPAS: Sth syskech ayth eprokeito na labei meros o k. Papandreoy, o opoios omws den exei epistrecei kai g` ayto symmeteixe o Ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn G. Kranidiwths.

MIXAHL: Oi ypoyrgoi aytoi oi opoioi meteixan sth syskech poy egine me ton k. Shmith, opws mas eipate, eixan enhmerwqei gia to antikeimeno ths syskechs; Giati toys kalese o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Den einai synedriash kybernhtikoy organoy gia thn opoia ekdidetai hmerhsia diatajh. Einai synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ypoyrgoys kai alloys paragontes toy kratoys. Ta qemata ta opoia syzhtoyntai einai qemata koinoy endiaferontos.

MIXAHL: Emeis maqame apo to reportaz oti oi ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi symmeteixan, den gnwrizan giati toys kaloyse o Prwqypoyrgos. Kai to eipan kai se synadelfoys sas, boyleytes toy PASOK kai se orismenoys synadelfoys ej hmwn. "Me kalese stis 12 h wra, eipe kapoios ypoyrgos, den gnwrizw gia poio logo";

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti den ekdidetai hmerhsia diatajh. Oi synergasies aytes den einai tipota allo, para oi taktikes synergasies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys kai toys synergates toy en genei gia qemata koinhs armodiothtas.

ARGYROS: Oi epikeimenes allages sthn EYP syzhthqhkan kai aytes sth synanthsh;

REPPAS: O k. Apostolidhs, o opoios prokeitai na analabei kaqhkonta Arxhgoy ths EYP, eixe shmera synergasia me ton Prwqypoyrgo. To anakoinwsa ayto en ocei ths analhchs twn kaqhkontwn toy.

ARGYROS: Oi ypoyrgoi tis syzhthsan; Giati ayth einai h monh koinh -kapws- armodiothta poy exoyn.

REPPAS: Einai kai alla qemata ths epikairothtas, ta opoia exoyn endiaferon kai syzhtoyntai. Sas eipa oti ajiopoihse thn eykairia toy xronoy poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos shmera, logw mh synedriashs kybernhtikoy organoy, kai prokalese ayth th seira twn synergasiwn gia na antimetwpistoyn qemata ths epikairothtas, qemata gia ta opoia h kybernhsh exei kaqe logo na asxoleitai.

GEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Miler, kata thn paramonh toy edw sthn Aqhna, gnwstopoihse proqesh toy Amerikanoy Proedroy na symbalei sthn pragmatopoihsh synanthshs koryfhs metajy toy k. Shmith kai toy k. Ntemirel, eite ton Aprilio, eite to Noembrio sth Synodo toy OASE;

REPPAS: To eida na grafetai stis efhmerides. Mporw na pw genikws -giati den hmoyn parwn se ayth th synedriash kai den gnwrizw pws ejelixqhke stis leptomereies ths toylaxiston- oti oi HPA epanadiatypwsan th qesh, poy kai o k. Snel eixe diatypwsei, otan episkefqhke to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn prin apo merikes hmeres, oti epiqymoyn na mhn klimakwqei h entash stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn, na diathrhqoyn xamhloi tonoi se ayth thn antiparaqesh poy einai se ejelijh. Epishmaname oti thn entash prokaloyn oi proklhtikes kai epiqetikes dhlwseis kai symperifores twn Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn kai se ayth th qesh paramenoyme.

GEROPOYLOS: Gnwstopoihse thn proqesh toy Amerikanoy Proedroy;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw tis leptomereies ths syzhthshs. Sas eipa poio einai to pneyma sto opoio egine h synanthsh. Ayth th qesh ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs metefere o k. Miler. Oti, h kybernhsh twn HPA metaferei ayto to mhnyma na parameinoyn se xamhloys tonoys oi antiparaqeseis, oi opoies exoyn ekdhlwqei. Emeis exoyme milhsei gi` ayto to qema. Epanadiatypwsame, epanalabame th qesh mas.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Ep` aytoy. Qa hsastan antiqetoi san kybernhsh gia mia tetoia synanthsh;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio den prokeitai na prokycei ayrio-meqayrio. Einai kati to opoio den exoyme antimetwpisei, den mas exei apasxolhsei, den exei kan teqei tetoio qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti sas anagkase, xqes, san kybernhsh na bgalete ayth th dhlwsh gia to porisma toy eisaggelea;

REPPAS: Tipota den mas anagkase. Apla, qewrhsa xrhsimo, gia logoys enhmerwshs ths koinhs gnwmhs, na epanadiatypwsw th qesh poy, hdh, apo arketo kairo h kybernhsh exei gnwstopoihsei dhmosiws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To porisma den eixe doqei sth dhmosiothta. Se sas eixe doqei;

REPPAS: To porisma eixe doqei sthn kybernhsh, ston armodio Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla h koinh gnwmh den to gnwrize;

REPPAS: Oyte h Nea Dhmokratia fainetai oti to gnwrize, alla proebh se ekdosh anakoinwshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwtaw thn kybernhsh, den me noiazei ti kanei h antipoliteysh.

REPPAS: Ki egw apantw, se erwthsh poy exete qesei eseis, me to diko moy tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelete na prokatalabete th Dikaiosynh me ayto;

REPPAS: Oxi, mono den epiqymoyme na prokatalaboyme th Dikaiosynh, alla gnwrizete oti emeis eimaste aytoi poy phrame thn prwtoboylia gia th systash ths Ejetastikhs twn Pragmatwn Epitrophs. Emeis eimaste aytoi, oi opoioi eipame, apo thn prwth stigmh, oti epiqymoyme na yparjei plhrhs plhroforhsh, apolyth dialeykansh twn synqhkwn ypo tis opoies ejelixqhkan ta gegonota. Epiqymoyme na lamcei h alhqeia, na xyqei apleto fws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote giati mesa sth dhlwsh sas lete: "Zhthma, omws, poinikhs eyqynhs politikwn proswpwn h yphresiakwn paragontwn poy enhrghsan ypo tis odhgies politikwn proswpwn einai profanes oti den yparxei"; Den bgazete apallaktiko porisma gia ta politika proswpa;

REPPAS: An eixame thn apoch oti yparxoyn poinikes eyqynes qa eixame proxwrhsei, emeis oi idioi, sth systash proanakritikhs epitrophs h anakritikhs epitrophs. Den exoyme ayth th qesh. Ayth th qesh, loipon, poy diatypwsame, apo thn prwth stigmh, ayth th qesh epanelaba xqes. Giati sas kanei entypwsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Moy kanei entypwsh. Giati pws, afoy otan prwta sas rwtoysame legate oti to qema einai sthn anakrish. Exei teleiwsei, exei proxwrhsei h Ejetastikh Epitroph; Pws bgazete apallaktiko;

REPPAS: Milhsame gia tis poinikes eyqynes ypoyrgwn. Gi` ayto miloyme twra kai se ayto anaferetai h dhlwsh poy ekana xqes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai to porisma se ayto anaferetai kai milaei gia poinikes eyqynes ypoyrgwn, sto telos, an to diabasate kala.

REPPAS: Den eisaste antikeimenikos, giati to porisma den milaei gia eyqynes. To porisma twn eisaggelewn zhtei apo th Boylh na diereynhsei an piqanon yparxoyn eyqynes. Giati krinei oti yparxoyn endeijeis kai prepei na yparjei mia ereyna kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Den leei oti yparxoyn eyqynes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na diereynhsei tis eyqynes politikwn proswpwn poy symmeteixan, leei. Tis eyqynes politikwn proswpwn.

REPPAS: Milaei gia ypoyrgoys. To porisma to exoyme oloi sth diaqesh mas. Egw metaferw ayto poy leei to porisma. Milaei gia ypoyrgoys kai leei oti yparxoyn endeijeis kai isws h Boylh qa prepei na asxolhqei kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Na ejetasei, dhladh, an exoyn poinikes eyqynes kai ypoyrgoi. Ayto leei to porisma, den leei oti exoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla eseis bgainete kai lete oti den exoyn. Den bghkate kai eipate ayto to pragma; Grammeno einai edw.

REPPAS: Epanelaba th qesh poy apo thn prwth stigmh diatypwse h kybernhsh. An eixame ayth thn apoch, epanalambanw, qa eixame proxwrhsei sthn aithsh gia systash anakritikhs epitrophs,

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto eleipe na bgei h kybernhsh kai na pei oti eyqynontai ypoyrgoi.

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei gia tis politikes eyqynes. Exei milhsei o Prwqypoyrgos, prosfatws, sth Boylh. Afhste ta pragmata, exoyn parei ena dromo. Nomizw oti oloi me endiaferon parakoloyqoyme to pws ejelissontai. Otan ekdoqoyn ta sxetika porismata ki eseis qa mporeite na ta sxoliasete ki emeis, bebaiws, qa klhqoyme na dwsoyme sxetikes apanthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis bgalate porisma.

REPPAS: Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs biazontai na topoqethqoyn epi qematwn gia ta opoia kanonikws den qa eprepe na einai toso biastika, doqentos oti den exoyn kan sth diaqesh toys ta stoixeia, ta opoia qa eprepe prohgoymenws na melethsoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prwtos bgalate eseis symperasma...

REPPAS: Emeis, toylaxiston, eixame -giati ayto problepetai apo tis kanonikes diadikasies- to porisma sth diaqesh mas. Ypoballetai to porisma ston Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs. H Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh den gnwrizw pws ebgale anakoinwsh;

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, opws paradexqhkate kai eseis prin ligo, to eisaggeliko porisma to opoio einai ena epishmo eggrafo poy prokyptei apo mia epishmh ejetash kai prokaleitai me paraggelia toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, diapistwnei -basei twn stoixeiwn ths dikografias opws leei- piqanes eyqynes ypoyrgwn. Kai zhtei oi endeijeis poy yparxoyn na einai sth dikografia poy exei katartistei logw ths ereynas, na syzhthqoyn me bash to nomo peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn apo th Boylh. Ayto, an qelei kaneis na sebetai th Dikaiosynh, asxetws poia qa einai h katalhjh ths syzhthshs sth Boylh, shmainei sygkrothsh Proanakritikhs Epitrophs.

REPPAS: Th Dikaiosynh th sebomaste, alla prepei na sebomaste kai th Boylh. Oi ejoysies einai aytonomes. H diakrish aytwn twn ejoysiwn bohqaei kai sto na leitoyrgei apotelesmatika to koinoboyleytiko systhma, h dhmokratia sth xwra mas. Gnwrizete poly kala -to lew, allwste, kai sthn anakoinwsh moy- oti meta thn eleysh toy Otsalan sthn Ellada oi xeirismoi eginan se politiko epipedo. Htan oi sygkekrimenes politikes epiloges oi opoies mas odhghsan se seira xeirismwn. Ara, qa prepei na kriqoyn se politiko epipedo oi epiloges oi opoies eginan. Giati antilambaneste, otan miloyme gia th dieqnh eirhnh ths xwras, opws anaferetai kai sto eisaggeliko porisma, otan miloyme gia thn ejwterikh politikh, gia thn perifroyrhsh twn symferontwn ths xwras kai toy ellhnikoy laoy, ola ayta qa prepei na ta epidiwjoyme me bash politikes epiloges kai den einai dynaton kaqe fora na ejetazoyme thn perifroyrhsh twn symferontwn ths xwras, enocei malista endexomenwn megalwn kindynwn, me bash tis diatajeis toy poinikoy nomoy apokleistika kai mono. Giati edw yparxei, qa moy epitrecete na pw, kai mia antifash. Den qelw na sxoliasw peraiterw th diatypwsh toy porismatos. Sebomai apolytws thn ergasia poy ekanan oi eisaggelikoi leitoyrgoi, alla qa prepei na sebastoyme kai tis leitoyrgies ths Boylhs, h opoia qa apofasisei gia ta peraiterw.

FILHS: An dexqoyme, k. Ypoyrge, oti sebosaste th Dikaiosynh, alla h Boylh exei dikaiwma na apofasizei monh ths, prokyptei ena erwthma: Giati parembainei h kybernhsh; H Boylh einai enas qesmos poy leitoyrgei me aytonomia enanti ths kybernhshs. Giati h kybernhsh, molis ypeblhqh to porisma to opoio h idia prokalese me paraggelia toy k. Giannopoyloy, speydei na bgalei ena diko ths porisma kai den afhnei th Boylh na syzhthsei to endexomeno -kai na to aporricei an qewrei h Boylh oti den isxyoyn ayta ta stoixeia- sygkrothshs Proanakritikhs Epitrophs;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ginontai me bash ta osa problepoyn to Syntagma, o kanonismos ths Boylhs kai oi nomoi toy kratoys. Den ginontai ayqairetws. H kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia anakoinwse thn prwtoboylia ths gia systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Epi ths protasews ths kybernhshs kaleitai na apofasisei h Boylh. Ayth einai h kyriarxh. Mporei na aporricei thn protash kata thn chfoforia poy qa diejaxqei se liges wres, shmera. H kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia diatypwnei th qesh ths kai h Boylh, bebaiws, einai ayth h opoia qa dexqei ayth th qesh ths kybernhshs h qa thn aporricei. Asfalws h Boylh exei ton teleytaio logo. Den yparxei, loipon, opoiodhpote problhma.

FILHS: Qewreite, k. Ypoyrge, piqano, opws synebh me thn -estw anagkastikh- prosxwrhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn protash gia Ejetastikh Epitroph, na metakinhqei h kybernhsh kai na pame kai se Proanakritikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati to opoio den prokyptei ayth thn wra. Pisteyw oti h Ejetastikh Epitroph qa oloklhrwsei to ergo ths kai to porisma poy qa ekdwsei qa einai apolytws diafwtistiko. Ayto qa kaqorisei thn ejelijh twn pragmatwn apo ekei kai pera. H kybernhsh eipe th qesh ths, h Ejetastikh Epitroph qa bgalei to porisma ths. Shmeiwnw, omws, oti o Prwqypoyrgos den eixe mia "anagkastikh prosxwrhsh" sth systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Htan prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs h systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, sto plaisio ths politikhs mas apofashs na xyqei apleto fws s` ayth thn ypoqesh. To eipame apo thn prwth stigmh kai to kaname prajh.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, syggnwmh. Yparxei se briefing katagegrammenh h apanthsh sas: "Den qa pame se Ejetastikh Epitroph". Meta mia ebdomada...

REPPAS: Den apanthsa ep` aytoy; Ayth thn erwthsh thn exete janaqesei kai sas exw apanthsei.

FILHS: Apantate stereotypa jefeygontas.

REPPAS: Oxi, sas exw apanthsei s` ayth thn erwthsh, k. Filh. Sas parapempw, loipon sthn apanthsh poy exw dwsei.

ROYMPANHS: Exei enhmerwqei egkairws apo thn kybernhsh h apo thn Eisaggelia, an maqate bebaiws, o Proedros ths Boylhs, gia to porisma, enocei ths synedriashs, shmera, sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw kai den mporw na milhsw ek meroys toy Proedroy ths Boylhs. Gnwrizw oti o Proedros ths Boylhs, shmera, kata thn enarjh ths syzhthshs sth Boylh, diatypwse mia emmesh parathrhsh pros toys eisaggelikoys leitoyrgoys, oti to porisma efqase poly kaqysterhmena sth Boylh.

ROYMPANHS: H kybernhsh den ofeile na enhmerwsei ton k. Kaklamanh;

REPPAS: Den einai qema ths kybernhshs na enhmerwsei ton k. Kaklamanh. O k. Kaklamanhs ws proswpo, mporei na eixe enhmerwsh kai pisteyw oti qa eixe. H Boylh, omws, me bash thn problepomenh diadikasia eixe meinei se "mayra skotadia" mexri thn wra poy arxise h shmerinh synedriash. Ki ayto den einai eyqynh ths kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Ellada meta thn ekdosh aytoy toy porismatos, qa zhthsei apo toys Toyrkoys thn ekdosh toy Otsalan sthn Ellada gia na dikastei;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti eimaste akomh sth syzhthsh gia th systash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Eseis qelete na milhsoyme gia tis ejelijeis oi opoies piqanws qa prokycoyn meta thn oloklhrwsh twn ergasiwn ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete poly kala poies einai oi synqhkes zwhs toy Ampntoylax Otsalan kai lypamai otan antimetwpizete me ayth thn elafrothta -giati peri aytoy prokeitai- ena toso tragiko zhthma: ths tyxhs enos anqrwpoy poy einai kratoymenos stis toyrkikes fylakes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia elafrothta; Den leei to porisma oti exei eyqynes; Qa toy to zhthsei, lew, h Ellada; Typiko einai ayto, den einai oysiastiko.

REPPAS: To porisma ayto einai proion ths ergasias, ths ereynas poy ekanan oi eisaggelikoi leitoyrgoi. Den qa krinw egw to ergo twn eisaggelikwn leitoyrgwn. Egw exw tis dikes moy apoceis, h kybernhsh exei th dikh ths topoqethsh. Einai ergo twn dikastwn na kanoyn th doyleia toys, me bash ta osa problepoyn oi nomoi toy kratoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, k. Ypoyrge, ton paei sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs kai to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, etsi ginetai.

REPPAS: Kalws, kalws. Synennohqhkame, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den synennohqhkame.

REPPAS: Synennohqhkame apolytws. Alla sas parakalw, otan milate gi` ayto ton anqrwpo poy gnwrizete poia einai h tragikh toy tyxh, mhn to kanete me enan tetoio tropo poy deixnei, qa moy epitrecete na epanalabw th lejh, mia elafrothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw; Poia elafrothta; Eseis ton paradwsate kai lete se emena gia elafrothta; H elafrothta htan sthn paradosh.

REPPAS: Parakalw, einai gnwstes aytes oi apoceis sas, k. Stamatopoyle. Tis exete eseis kai ligoi akomh, oi opoioi bebaiws den prokeitai na dikaiwqoyn, oso ki an epimenoyn na epanalambanoyn tetoioy eidoys ekdoxes.

GKOGKAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh fobatai gia to endexomeno qermoy epeisodioy h kapoias probokatsias, me aformh thn eleysh twn pyraylwn S-300 gia egkatastash sthn Krhth kai an meta tis diabebaiwseis poy edwse h kataskeyastria etairia oti ola einai etoima gia th metafora toys, h kybernhsh exei dwsei to prasino fws.

REPPAS: Oson afora toys pyrayloys S-300, h apofash mas einai gnwsth. Proxwroyme sthn egkatastash toys sthn Krhth. Einai qema xronoy na oloklhrwqei ayth h egkatastash. Apo ekei kai pera, den pisteyoyme oti eimaste sta proqyra qermoy epeisodioy. Den prokyptei apo kapoies plhrofories kai den exoyme kanei kapoia tetoia politikh ektimhsh, alla bebaiws eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme kaqe endexomeno, doqentos oti oi politikes topoqethseis, oi frastikes epiqeseis twn Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn synexizontai kai deixnoyn mia diaqesh apo thn pleyra ths Agkyras na klimakwsei thn entash stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis.

FILHS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish. Poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sto qema ths apostolhs stratiwtikwn dynamewn sto Kossyfopedio; Yparxei kamia diaforopoihsh; Epimenoyme oti monon ean symfwnoyn kai ta dyo merh prepei na pane NATOika strateymata;

REPPAS: Ayth einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, oson afora tmhmata toy ellhnikoy stratoy kai paramenei idia.

FILHS: Se sxesh me thn apostolh strateymatwn toy NATO; Leme oti mporoyn na pane, xwris th symfwnia toy Beligradioy;

REPPAS: Emeis, gnwrizete poly kala oti sto plaisio twn ypoxrewsewn mas prepei na prosferoyme kapoies dieykolynseis. To qema ayto, omws, einai prowro na to syzhthsoyme twra. As anamenoyme th syzhthsh poy qa ginei sto Rampoyigie, stis 15 toy mhnos. Apomenoyn liges hmeres akomh. Pisteyoyme oti qa pane ola kala, ekei, giati nomizw oti exoyn wrimasei oi synqhkes kai oi dyo pleyres, para ta problhmata ta opoia akomh yparxoyn, fainetai pws einai efikto na katalhjoyn se symfwnia.

FILHS: Xqes edw, sthn politikh enhmerwsh, yphrje mia apanthsh sas gia to dixastiko epidoma to opoio exei ejaggeilei o k. Xristodoylos oti qa dwsei se orismenoys pistoys polyteknoys Orqodojoys. Yphrje mia dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Boylhs, me aformh thn epiqesh ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados pros ton boyleyth toy Synaspismoy, ton k. Moystafa Moystafa. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn epiqesh ths Ekklhsias kai gia to dixastiko epidoma;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den qa onomaza "dixastiko" to epidoma, doqentos oti akomh den yparxei epidoma. Yparxei mia ejaggelia h opoia einai qetikh. To eipa xqes, to epanalambanw kai shmera. Ayto to opoio prepei na dieykrinisoyme einai oti h Ekklhsia den einai kratos. H Ekklhsia apeyqynetai sto plhrwma ths, stoys pistoys ths. Ara, loipon, ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na epitelei ton koinwniko rolo ths me ton kalytero tropo. Kai elpizoyme na to kanei sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

FILHS: H Ekklhsia sthn Ellada exei thn idiorryqmia oti einai kratikodiaith. Plhrwnetai apo toys Ellhnes forologoymenoys. Otan, loipon, h ejaggelia den afora to filoptwxo tameio ths Enorias, opws dieykrinise xqes h Ekklhsia ths Ellados, alla afora mia eqnikoy typoy politikh ek meroys ths Ekklhsias, antilambaneste oti yparxei ena qema isonomias forologikhs. Oloi plhrwnoyn foroys. Kai pistoi kai apistoi kai moysoylmanoi kai orqodojoi. Pws mporei h kratikodiaith Ekklhsia na plhrwnei epidomata mono opoy ayth qelei;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den einai orqo na genikeyoyme, milwntas gia kratikodiaith Ekklhsia. Asfalws, oi leitoyrgoi ths Orqodojoy Ekklhsias misqodotoyntai apo to ellhniko kratos, alla h leitoyrgia twn forewn ths Ekklhsias kai twn Idrymatwn ths xrhmatodoteitai apo phges esodwn poy exei h idia h Ekklhsia. Apo thn allh, prepei na sas pw oti kai oi Moyfthdes misqodotoyntai, apo to ellhniko kratos. Ayto den shmainei oti qa askoyn kaqhkonta apeyqynomenoi se plhqysmoys h polites oi opoioi exoyn aspastei ta orqodojo xristianiko dogma. Ayto einai poly safes. Ara, mhn kanete ayth th sygxysh kai mh milate peri dixastikoy epidomatos.

FILHS: Syggnwmh, epeidh exei shmasia to qema...

REPPAS: Exei megalh shmasia, bebaiws!

FILHS: Kai isws na exei, loipon, kai dieqneis proektaseis, an den eimaste prosektikoi.

REPPAS: Nai, bebaiws! Gi` ayto prepei na eimaste prosektikoi, alla kai eseis na eisaste prosektikoi.

FILHS: Emeis erwthseis diatypwnoyme symfwna me thn eyqythta twn apanthsewn sas.

REPPAS: Nai, to antilambanomai. Th qesh sas diatypwnete, oxi erwthseis. Giati, apo th stigmh poy kanate dyo erwthseis kai egw eipa th qesh ths kybernhshs, pisteyw oti exete enhmerwqei gia th qesh mas. Eseis qelete na ekfrasete th dikh sas qesh kai na thn yperaspisteite meta manias.

FILHS: Meta manias, gia poio logo; Den eimai oyte moysoylmanos, oyte polyteknos.

REPPAS: Gia to logo pws qewreite oti einai swsth kai prepei na epikrathsei. Egw den to kakizw ayto. Apla qelw na antidiasteilw thn anagkh syzhthshs gia politikh enhmerwsh, apo th dynatothta kai to kaqhkon poy exete na sxoliografeite, na analyete ta pragmata kai na diatypwnete sta Mesa poy ergazeste tis apoceis sas.

FILHS: H erwthsh, loipon, einai: H Ekklhsia ths Ellados ejhggeile oti to epidoma ayto -epanalambanw, dikhn eqnikhs politikhs kai oxi koinwnikoy kaqhkontos- qa to dinei apo perikopes twn misqwn twn ierarxwn. Dhladh, apo xrhmata ta opoia ektamieyontai apo ton kratiko proypologismo. Ep` aytoy sas erwtw: Exei dikaiwma h kratikodiaith, s` ayto twra to shmeio, Ekklhsia na kanei dixastikh politikh;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola h kybernhsh den protiqetai na elegjei pws diaqetoyn ta xrhmata oi polites, ta xrhmata poy toys anhkoyn, anejarthtws idiothtas poy exoyn. Giati toys anhkoyn ayta ta xrhmata. Isa-isa, egw epishmainw, ws qetiko to gegonos, oti kapoioi aposteroyntai xrhmatwn, ta opoia afairoyn apo th dikh toys tseph, prokeimenoy etsi na prosferoyn bohqeia stoys synanqrwpoys toys. Ayto qetiko briskw oti einai, den to briskw arnhtiko. Kaqe allo.

FILHS: Gia thn kaysh twn nekrwn, qa proxwrhsei to nomosxedio;

REPPAS: Einai gnwsth h qesh mas. Paramenoyme sth qesh ayth. Asfalws.

Sas eyxaristw. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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