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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Martioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

En ocei toy neoy gyroy syzhthsewn poy prokeitai na ginoyn gia thn krish sto Kossyfopedio sto Rampoyigie stis 15 Martioy kai me bash tis kateyqynseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy h xwra mas analambanei sxetikh prwtoboylia, sto plaisio ths opoias o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ayrio kai meqayrio qa episkefqei prwteyoyses twn Balkanikwn xwrwn. Pisteyoyme oti einai mia krisimh stigmh gia ta Balkania. Prepei na deijoyme oloi endiaferon gia thn krish sto Kossyfopedio h opoia mas afora. Antilambaneste pws an h krish ayth ejelixqei pros to xeirotero qa exoyme dysmeneis synepeies gia oles tis xwres ths perioxhs, alla kai gia thn Ellada. Epiqymoyme me cyxraimo kai orqo tropo oles oi xwres twn Balkaniwn na analaboyn prwtoboylies, wste na symbaloyn sto jeperasma ayths ths krishs. Ayto einai to politiko plaisio kai me bash to plaisio ayto o k. Papandreoy qa episkefqei ayrio ta Skopia kai ta Tirana kai thn Pempth, to Boykoyresti, th Sofia kai to Beligradi. Qa exei synomilies me toys omologoys toy. Kata thn episkech toy sto Beligradi, qa synanthqei epishs kai me ton k. Milosebits. Hdh, xqes, sto plaisio proetoimasias ayths ths prwtoboylias eixe thlefwnikes epafes me toys synadelfoys toy ypoyrgoys. Elpizoyme na einai qetika ta apotelesmata aytwn twn episkecewn.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ti exei allajei sthn ejwterikh politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh, wste na einai toso diaqesimh sthn ejyphrethsh twn NATOikwn strateymatwn sth xwra mas, otan prin apo liga xronia gia ena ploio mas poy symmeteixe sth naytikh dynamh toy Kolpoy jeshkwqhke olos o kosmos kai h kybernhsh tote;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola gnwrizete oti exoyme analabei sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis ws xwra poy anhkei sto NATO. Sto plaisio aytwn twn ypoxrewsewn, alla kai sto plaisio dimerwn sxesewn exoyme ypoxrewsh -prokeimenoy na parexoyme dieykolynseis- na symmetexoyme se drasthriothtes, oi opoies orizontai safws.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den yphrxan aytes palaiotera; Exei allajei kati, dhladh;

REPPAS: Apo to 1990 kai meta polla pragmata exoyn allajei. To gnwrizete poly kala oxi monon eseis, alla to gnwrizoyn oloi. H ejwterikh politikh poy akoloyqei h xwra mas, ta teleytaia xronia, einai h idia politikh. Einai politikh symmetoxhs stoys megaloys Dieqneis Organismoys. Symmetoxh kai emplokh ths Elladas se prwtoboylies poy exoyn eirhneytiko xarakthra h symmetoxh se askhseis poy exoyn ekpaideytiko xarakthra. Pisteyoyme oti h Ellada prepei na einai paroysa se diadikasies oi opoies prowqoyn me politiko, diplwmatiko, eirhniko tropo thn antimetwpish twn krisewn opoy aytes ekdhlwnontai.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To deytero skelos ths erwthshs moy kai poy exei sxesh me ayta poy eipate twra, alla kai me th qesh toy k. Mhtsotakh. Jerete -den jerw an h kybernhsh to exei antilhfqei- yparxei mia agwnia ston ellhniko lao kata poson o k. Mhtsotakhs qa ginei apodektos apo thn kybernhsh toy Shmith, giati prosfatws xarakthrise thn kybernhsh "anaphrh". Eseis apodexeste ayton to xarakthrismo kai qelete ws "dekaniki" ton k. Mhtsotakh; Dwste mia apanthsh giati yparxei agwnia ston ellhniko lao.

BITSENTZOY: Den agwnioyn oloi.

REPPAS: Exoyme pei me epishmo tropo oti h kybernhsh exei epignwsh ths katastashs. Dia xeilewn Prwqypoyrgoy exei akoystei ayth h frash. Apo ekei kai pera, h anafora ayth toy k. Mhtsotakh profanws den afora thn kybernhsh mas. Afora thn kybernhsh thn opoia o k. Mhtsotakhs exei sth dikh toy skech. H kybernhsh ths xwras mas eggyatai th staqerh poreia ths Elladas pros toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Einai kybernhsh h opoia exei th staqerh yposthrijh ths pleiochfias twn boyleytwn sth Boylh, prokeimenoy na synexisei aproskopta to ergo ths. H ellhnikh kybernhsh, loipon, einai "artimelhs", einai kybernhsh h opoia, ayth kai monon ayth, mporei kata kyrio logo na eggyhqei kai na perifroyrhsei ta symferonta toy ellhnikoy laoy kai ths xwras, idiaiterws ayth thn krisimh periodo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Me h xwris ton k. Mhtsotakh;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw o k. Mhtsotakhs na einai melos ths kybernhshs, den gnwrizw o k. Mhtsotakhs na exei sthrizei, ws boyleyths toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, thn kybernhsh, prokeimenoy h kybernhsh na apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn boyleytwn.

BITALHS: Sto plaisio ayths ths prwtoboylias poy analambanei h Ellada exoyme se ayth thn prwtoboylia kapoia kainoyrgia protash na paroysiasoyme sta emplekomena merh kai stoys geitones poy qa dieykolyne akomh perissotero thn epilysh toy problhmatos. Yparxei kati kainoyrgio, dhladh, apo ellhnikhs pleyras;

REPPAS: H qesh mas gia thn epilysh ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio einai gnwsth kai paramenei h idia. Einai h qesh poy exei ekfrastei kai apo to dieqnh paragonta, sto plaisio aytwn twn synomiliwn sth Gallia. H prwtoboylia mas ayth sxetizetai me to endiaferon poy pisteyoyme oti prepei h Ellada na epideijei, alla kai oi alles Balkanikes xwres. Endiaferon poy prepei emprakta pleon na ekdhlwsoyme, giati mas afora oloys, idiaiterws emas poy eimaste se ayth thn perioxh, h krish sto Kossyfopedio, wste mazi me tis prospaqeies poy ginontai gia thn eirhnikh antimetwpish toy problhmatos ki emeis na exoyme mia qetikh syneisfora, na eimaste parontes se aytes tis diergasies gia thn ejeyresh lyshs. Den qeloyme na eimaste aploi parathrhtes giati mas afora perissotero apo opoiondhpote allon h krish sto Kossyfopedio.

PODHMATA: Gnwrizete ean ayth h prwtoboylia poy analambanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai se synennohsh me tis xwres ths Omadas Epafhs, dhladh einai se synennohsh me kapoies xwres melh ths E. E. kai tis HPA h einai aytotelhs prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Einai aytotelhs prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia thn opoia asfalws kai o jenos paragontas exei gnwsh. Alla einai aytotelhs ellhnikh prwtoboylia, opws poly swsta eipate.

KARASABBA: Gia thn ayrianh episkech toy k. Miler sthn Aqhna qelw na rwthsw ean peran apo th synanthsh toy me ton k. Kranidiwth qa yparjoyn kai alles synanthseis, opws me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti qa exei synanthseis me toys paragontes toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Den gnwrizw na exoyn programmatistei alles synanthseis. An prokycoyn kai alles synanthseis, einai kati to opoio den to apokleiw, alla den to gnwrizw ayth thn wra, giati to programma ayto antilambaneste pws allazei. Hdh, o k. Papandreoy epeidh qa apoysiazei den qa synanthqei. O k. Miler qa einai pragmati edw ayrio. Sto plaisio mias episkechs sthn perioxh qa episkefqei Agkyra kai Kypro epishs gia na syzhthqoyn ta gnwsta se sas qemata.

TROYPIWTHS: O k. Papandreoy qa exei kapoia synanthsh me ekproswpoys twn albanofwnwn toy Kossyfopedioy;

REPPAS: Sas eipa poies qa einai oi synanthseis poy qa exei kai peran twn omologwn toy anefera oti qa synanthqei me ton Proedro Milosebits.

PARIS: Pote erxetai o k. Srenter kai pote qa ginei to epomeno KYSEA;

REPPAS: Oson afora th synedriash toy KYSEA den exei apofasistei sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. Den qa ginei pantws ayth thn ebdomada.

Oson afora thn episkech sthn Ellada toy k. Srenter, qa ginei thn epomenh ebdomada, Tetarth 17 toy mhnos. Qa einai diarkeias ligwn wrwn. Einai episkech sto plaisio twn episkecewn poy kaqe fora kanei o Proedros ths E. E. stis xwres-melh. Gnwrizete oti ayth thn periodo einai poly shmantika ta qemata ta opoia syzhtoyntai. H germanikh proedria exei balei dyskola sthn E. E. kai sta krath-melh kai prepei na eimaste ki emeis -h xwra mas dhladh- idiaitera prosektikoi. Na xeiristoyme ayta ta qemata pros to symferon twn Ellhnwn politwn, twn Ellhnwn gewrgwn, na mhn exoyme apwleies. Antilambaneste pws ta oikonomika symferonta, ta opoia diakybeyontai, sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn, einai poly megala. Einai, dhladh, ena qema zwtikhs shmasias gia mas ayto to opoio apasxolei twra thn E. E.

FILHS: To KYSEA ti qema qa exei;

REPPAS: Eipa, den exei programmatistei tetoia synedriash. Otan programmatistei...

PODHMATA: Giati anablhqhke; Den eixe programmatistei gia thn Paraskeyh;

REPPAS: Oxi. Gia thn Paraskeyh einai programmatismenh h syzhthsh gia th systash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs ths Boylhs, opws anakoinwsa xqes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Sxetika me to KYSEA, h kybernhsh qa labei ypoch ths thn epiqymia h protash h epilogh toy k. Mhtsotakh, gia ena sygkekrimenoy typoy aeroskafos;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei ekdhlwsei tetoio endiaferon o k. Mhtsotakhs. H kybernhsh qa kanei thn epilogh -to exoyme pei kat` epanalhch- me gnwmona to eqniko symferon kai mono.

TAKHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio, kyrie Ypoyrge, gia th xqesinh symperifora ths Agkyras ws pros ton Ellhna diplwmatiko ypallhlo kai ena sxolio gia thn anakoinwsh toy STATE DEPARTEMENT, oson afora thn apostrofh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh gia thn tromokratia.

REPPAS: Oson afora thn antimetwpish toy k. Xrhstidh, exei diamartyrhqei h ellhnikh presbeia sthn Agkyra pros to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias, opws epishs shmera exei probei se proforiko diabhma pros ton Toyrko presbh sthn Ellada, o armodios dieyqynths toy ellhnikoy YPEJ. Pisteyoyme oti h symperifora ayth twn Toyrkwn astynomikwn apenanti se enan diplwmath, afoy diapistwsan poia einai h taytothta toy, einai anepitrepth.

Oson afora to deytero qema poy qesate, prepei na pw oti kat` epanalhch o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai alla stelexh ths kybernhshs, exoyn milhsei gia to qema ayto. H qesh mas einai safhs kai epanalambanetai me kathgorhmatiko tropo: Eimaste antiqetoi sthn tromokratia apo opoydhpote ki an proerxetai kai exoyme kat` epanalhch katadikasei prajeis bias, paranomes ki egklhmatikes energeies. Kai oxi mono tis katadikazoyme kai tis apodokimazoyme, alla einai staqerh h boylhsh kai h qesh mas na antimetwpisoyme to fainomeno ayto me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Oi dhlwseis h ta sxolia ekproswpwn ths kybernhshs twn HPA poy symfwnoyn me ayth th qesh, asfalws apoteloyn ena qetiko shmadi. Allwste, oi kybernhseis twn dyo xwrwn exoyn synergasia sto qema ayto, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn ayth th mastiga, to fainomeno ths tromokratias. Einai mia qesh, pantws, h opoia exei ekfrastei kat` epanalhch. Den dhlwnetai twra gia prwth fora poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs apenanti sto fainomeno ths tromokratias. Gi` ayto, loipon, projenei entypwsh otan sysxetizetai h omilia ayth toy Prwqypoyrgoy me sxolia ta opoia proerxontai apo th megalh peran toy Atlantikoy xwra. H qesh ayth exei diatypwqei sto parelqon polles fores. Den einai mia nea qesh.

TAKHS: Xqes o k. Mhtsotakhs eipe oti to RKK qa prepei na kathgorhqei kai na xarakthrisqei tromokratikh organwsh. Yparxei proqesh apo pleyras kybernhsews na taytistei me ayth th qesh toy k. Mhtsotakh;

REPPAS: Exoyme topoqethqei gia to fainomeno ths tromokratias, opws eipa molis prin. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis den protiqemeqa na metablhqoyme se baqmologhtes h ajiologhtes diaforwn organwsewn h diaforwn forewn. Den elegxoyme to fronhma, den elegxoyme tis apoceis h tis skeceis twn politwn. Ayto to opoio kanoyme einai na krinoyme kai na katadikazoyme prajeis. Prajeis bias, egklhmatikes energeies tis katadikazoyme kathgorhmatika.

ALEJAKH: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia to shmerino mas dhmosieyma kai sygkekrimena qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Mas eipate xqes oti o k. Kosmidhs den prohdreye se syskeceis. Emeis exoyme plhrofories oti o k. Kosmidhs prohdreyse se perissoteres apo deka syskeceis me th symmetoxh toy k. Pagkaloy, toy k. Petsalnikoy, toy k. Papadopoyloy kai toy k. Stayrakakh. Kat` arxhn, qa hqela na moy peite an ayto alhqeyei kai qa hqela kai ena genikotero sxolio gia to shmerino mas dhmosieyma, to opoio anaferetai sthn emplokh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn ypoqesh Otsalan kai stis odhgies poy edine.

REPPAS: Oxi. Eimai kathgorhmatikos. Oydepote o k. Kosmidhs exei proedreysei se syskeceis me th symmetoxh ypoyrgwn. Ayto einai kati to opoio me kathgorhmatiko tropo to exw tonisei. Parakalw mhn epanerxeste se ayto to qema. Oti symmeteixe kai symmetexei se syskeceis o k. Kosmidhs, einai alhqes. To oti proedreyei o k. Kosmidhs den einai alhqes.

ALEJAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symmeteixe o k. Kosmidhs stis syskeceis me ton k. Pagkalo, ton k. Petsalniko, ton k. Papadopoylo kai ton k. Stayrakakh tis krisimes hmeres, dhladh tis hmeres poy o Otsalan htan sthn ellhnikh presbeia sthn Kenya;

REPPAS: Einai gnwsto kai to exoyme pei.

ALEJAKH: Ara, loipon, symmeteixe.

REPPAS: Ma, to eipa, den to eipa; To exw pei kai alles hmeres.

ALEJAKH: To deytero erwthma poy qa hqela na sas kanw, kai epanerxomai giati den to dieykrinisate xqes, einai to ejhs: O Prwqypoyrgos htan en gnwsei olwn oswn akoysthkan, "petajte ton Otsalan ejw apo thn presbeia" h ferontai na eipwqhkan apo paragontes, apo stelexh; Htan en gnwsei olwn aytwn;

REPPAS: Exoyme syzhthsei analytika gia ola ayta ta qemata. Parakalw mhn epimenete na metatrecoyme se anakritikh diadikasia thn politikh syzhthsh poy exoyme edw. Ola ayta einai qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn toys eisaggeleis, qa apasxolhsoyn thn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs. Pisteyw oti qa xyqei apleto fws. Oles aytes oi leptomereies pisteyw oti qa tyxoyn analoghs prosoxhs apo ekeinoys oi opoioi qa analaboyn ayto to ergo. Mh qelete emeis edw na ginoyme anakrites.

ALEJAKH: Sas parakalw, epeidh pragmatika den exw katalabei. Me sygxwreite, poy epimenw. Den endiaferomai gia oles tis leptomereies. Gi` ayto to sygkekrimeno! O Prwqypoyrgos htan en gnwsei toy "petajte ton ejw apo thn ellhnikh presbeia"; Htan ayto entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Ayto qelw na maqw.

REPPAS: Exw kat` epanalhch apanthsei se sxetikes erwthseis. Eipa oti o Prwqypoyrgos htan gnwsths kai symfwnos me to politiko plaisio gia thn paroxh ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias ston k. Otsalan. Apo ekei kai pera, h ejeidikeysh aytoy toy politikoy plaisioy, me praktika metra kai prwtoboylies, einai qema to opoio afora ta organa, toys leitoyrgoys, oi opoioi eixan, se diafora epipeda kai diafores baqmides, analabei sxetika kaqhkonta. Ayto einai poly safes.

FILHS: H entolh "petajte ton ejw apo thn ellhnikh Presbeia" perilambanetai sthn anqrwpistikh bohqeia poy anaferate;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: (Gelia)

REPPAS: Lypoymai, giati ena qema to opoio ejelixqhke toso asxhma, prwta ap` ola gia ton idio ton Ampntoylax Otsalan -gnwrizete poia einai h tyxh toy ayth thn wra- dhmioyrgei kapoia qymhdia. Prepei na sas pw oti ayto einai kati to opoio anaferetai sthn ekqesh toy k. Kwstoyla. Parakalw, mhn pairnete ws qesfata ta osa anaferei enas martyras, oso shmantikos ki an einai. Na anamenete na oloklhrwqei h ereyna, wste na exoyme tote oloi mia plhrh eikona gia to pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata. Giati an ayth thn wra o kaqenas aspazetai mia apoch kai qewrei oti ayth einai h bash dia ths opoias prepei na anaptyjoyme oloys toys alloys syllogismoys, einai piqano na kanei laqos.

Qa hqela, loipon, na eimaste pio prosextikoi. Polla stoixeia exoyn erqei sth dhmosiothta. Yparxoyn polla akomh ta opoia qa erqoyn tis epomenes hmeres, kaqws qa ejelissontai oi ereynes. Otan oloklhrwqoyn oi ereynes, oloi qa exoyme mia safh eikona. As perimenoyme na perasoyn liges hmeres gia na exoyme ayth th safh eikona.

FILHS: Tiqetai, dhladh, en amfibolia...

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto, xqes. Mhn moy kanete mia erwthsh sthn opoia apanthsa xqes.

ALEJAKH: O problhmatismos poy anaptyssetai olo ayto to diasthma, kaloproairetos h kakoproairetos, einai ws pros to ejhs. Yparxei mia prospaqeia apo polla kybernhtika stelexh na emfanistei o Prwqypoyrgos, oti den eixe th symmetoxh h opoia toy apodidetai sthn ypoqesh Otsalan. Dhladh, oti den htan o Prwqypoyrgos poy eipe, steilte ton sthn Kenya. Edw einai to olo zhthma, ekei epikentrwnetai, sto ti akribws ekane o Prwqypoyrgos sxetika me thn ypoqesh Otsalan. Apo ekei kai pera, oi alles leptomereies, bebaiws, qa ereynhqoyn apo th Dikaiosynh kai apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs. Alla, ws pros to rolo toy Prwqypoyrgoy yparxoyn para polla kena kai isws qa eprepe na exoyme akomh perissotera stoixeia.

REPPAS: Poios sas eipe oti h Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs den qa anixneysei kai ayta ta stoixeia, prokeimenoy na mhn yparxei opoiodhpote keno. Den nomizw oti sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs oi boyleytes h oloi oi boyleytes qeloyn na yparxoyn kena h an yparxoyn kena na parameinoyn ayta ta kena. Ara, loipon, ola ayta ta qemata qa antimetwpistoyn.

PARIS: Protaqhke sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh h Kenya gia ton Otsalan apo thn amerikanikh presbeia sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei symbei kati tetoio. Allwste, exei prokycei apo syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei mexri twra, oti ayto yphrje mia epilogh, wste na xrhsimopoihqei ws endiamesos staqmos h Kenya, me stoxo na breqei enas asfalhs telikos proorismos gia ton k. Otsalan.

FILHS: Mporei na exei symbei, dhladh; Mporei oi Amerikanoi na exoyn proteinei sthn Ellada poy na paei ton Otsalan;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw apo ayta ta opoia exoyn dhmosiopoihqei, gnwrizw apo ayta ta opoia exw ki egw ypoch moy ws stoixeia gia ayth thn ypoqesh -kai den gnwrizw ta panta- oti ayth htan mia epilogh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Kai malista, exei eipwqei dhmosia kai egkyra oti oi epiloges ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs den htan se gnwsh allwn xwrwn, allwn dynamewn, giati h ellhnikh kybernhsh epeleje eyqys ej arxhs -kai eipwqhke ayto- na diathrhsei th mystikothta gyrw apo toys xeirismoys poy ekane gia to qema ayto.

FILHS: Ej oswn gnwrizete pantws.

REPPAS: Ayto exei eipwqei apo stelexh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs poy eixan emplakei s` ayth thn ypoqesh. Pisteyw oti milaw poly ypeyqyna.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Exei zhthsei h Oyasigkton apo thn Aqhna, poio safh dhlwsh sxetika me to RKK-tromokratia, opws grafetai sxedon se olo ton Typo kai metadidetai apo ola ta MME;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Oi dyo kybernhseis gnwrizoyn poies einai oi qeseis ths mias kai poies einai oi qeseis ths allhs gia to qema ayto. Pisteyw oti h gnwsh ths qeshs ths kaqe pleyras bohqaei sto na yparxei kalyterh katanohsh, kalyterh synergasia. Tetoio qema den exei teqei.

MOYRTHS: Antapokriseis apo tis HPA feroyn ton Amerikano Presbh sthn Ellada k. Mperns na exei dhlwsei oti h energeia ths Elladas se sxesh me ton Otsalan kai tis energeies toy einai antiqetes pros tis dieqneis prospaqeies gia thn katapolemhsh ths tromokratias. Pws to sxoliazete ayto;

REPPAS: Einai gnwstes oi apoceis ths kybernhshs twn HPA.

MOYRTHS: Milame gia tis sygkekrimenes energeies gia ton Otsalan.

REPPAS: Ma, einai gnwstes oi qeseis ths kybernhshs twn HPA. Aytes ejefrase o k. Mperns. Diafwnoyme. Kai epeidh akribws diafwnoyme, epilejame na prosferoyme ayth th bohqeia se enan hgeth o opoios, ekeinh thn wra, pistecame oti eixe anagkh prostasias kai den eprepe na afeqei sto eleos ths tyxhs toy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Gnwrize h amerikanikh pleyra thn afijh toy Otsalan h tis hmeres ekeines poy erxotan sthn Ellada, htan gnwsto stoys Amerikanoys oti briskotan edw;

REPPAS: Den ypepese sthn antilhch mas kati tetoio. Twra, gia to ti gnwrize h amerikanikh kybernhsh, parakalw apeyqynqeite stoys ekproswpoys ths.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnia metajy Amerikanoy Presbh kai Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Pagkaloy yphrje;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Eipame oti epilejame na krathsoyme mystikh olh ayth thn epixeirhsh poy analabame, prokeimenoy na prosferoyme bohqeia. Ayth htan h proqesh mas.

BITSENTZOY: Hqela na mas dieykrinisete, an h diafwnia mas me toys Amerikanoys einai ws pros to xarakthrismo mias organwshs ws tromokratikhs. Dhladh, ypoqetw oti symfwneite oti oi organwseis xarakthrizontai ws tromokratikes h mh oxi ws pros tis proqeseis poy exoyn, alla apo ta mesa poy xrhsimopoioyn. Etsi den einai;

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh sas;

BITSENTZOY: Einai tromokratikh h drash toy RKK;

REPPAS: Apanthsa molis prin s` ayto. Katadikazoyme sygkekrimenes energeies. Apo ekei kai pera, den mporeis na katadikaseis syllhbdhn polites oi opoies exoyn qesei ena stoxo kai agwnizontai gia na epityxoyn ayto to stoxo. Allwste, h politikh ths Elladas gia to qema ayto ekfrazetai kai apo tis qeseis ths E. E., h opoia exei dhlwsei pws apaiteitai mia politikh, eirhnikh lysh sto koyrdiko zhthma. Anagnwrizei oti yparxei koyrdiko zhthma. Den gnwrizw an oi HPA gia to qema ayto exoyn pei kati me leptomereies, oti yparxei dhladh koyrdiko problhma kai prepei na antimetwpistei kai na lyqei me politika mesa. H E. E. to exei pei ayto. Kai ayth einai h qesh poy ekfrazei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

BITSENTZOY: Gia to stoxo poiwn politwn milate; Twn organwmenwn sto RKK; Einai safhs o stoxos toys.

REPPAS: Den yparxoyn polites sto RKK oi opoioi den einai bebaio -toylaxiston as exoyme mia epifylajh- oti exoyn kanei egklhmatikes energeies, oti exoyn probei se prajeis bias; To apokleiete ayto; Egw den to gnwrizw, alla einai kati poy den mporw na to apokleisw, giati den exw stoixeia gia to antiqeto. Ara, loipon, prepei na katadikasoyme thn prajh kai oxi to fronhma. Sth dhmokratikh Ellada pisteyw oti ayto einai kati poy isxyei genikws kai einai sebasto.

PODHMATA: H E. E. epeidh anaferqhkate, exei katadikasei mesw mias koinhs qeshs poy exei yioqethsei prin apo enamish xrono kai thn tromokratia sth notioanatolikh Toyrkia. Symfwnei h kybernhsh m` ayto;

REPPAS: Otan lete tromokratia sth notioanatolikh Toyrkia, ti ennoeite;

PODHMATA: Ayth einai h entypwsh poy yphrxe sto keimeno ths koinhs qeshs twn "15". Symfwneite;

REPPAS: H qesh mas einai safhs, thn epanalambanw: Katadikazoyme thn tromokratia apo opoydhpote ki an proerxetai, opoydhpote ki an ekdhlwnetai. Einai safhs h qesh mas.

Sas eyxaristw.

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