Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-02-23

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Febroyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete synedriase to KYSEA. Anthllaghsan plhrofories. Ajiologhqhkan dhlwseis Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn. Egine mia analysh ths katastashs, opws diamorfwnetai, meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis.

Sth synexeia, synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai o Prwqypoyrgos proebh sth gnwsth se sas dhlwsh.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa synedriasoyn apo koinoy h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia toy PASOK, me antikeimeno tis politikes ejelijeis.

Ayta mporw na pw ayth thn wra kai akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Praktika kai gia to diadikastiko meros, se oti afora to KYSEA, egine syzhthsh gia to Kossyfopedio kai an nai, an yparxei kati anakoinwsimo gi` ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Gia to Kossyfopedio den egine syzhthsh. Egine aplws enhmerwsh apo ton Ypoyrgo Amynas kai ton Ypoyrgo Anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn gia to pws ejelissontai ta pragmata. Paramenoyme stis qeseis poy exoyme ejaggeilei. Epanabebaiwqhke, dhladh, h politikh mas gia to qema ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos kata th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs anaferqhke kaqoloy se proswpa toy PASOK, ta opoia qeloyn na paraithqei; Eipe kati peri paraithsews toy;

REPPAS: Den egine opoiadhpote syzhthsh gi` ayto to qema. Sto plaisio twn synedriasewn kai toy KYSEA, alla kyriws ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs poy einai amigws politiko organo, epanabebaiwqhke h politikh mas epilogh na proxwrhsoyme kai na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas, diasfalizontas thn politikh staqerothta sth xwra kai kaqistwntas thn ta epomena xronia, isxyrh, isotimh me tis alles xwres ths E. E. Ayth einai h epilogh poy kaname eyqys ejarxhs, ayth paramenei h monh epilogh gia to PASOK kai thn kybernhsh mas. Ayto eipame oloi sto plaisio ayths ths synedriashs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrizei o Prwqypoyrgos tis dhlwseis twn boyleytwn toy PASOK poy zhtane thn paraithsh toy kai ti leei; Gnwrizei epishs kai th shmerinh anejarthtopoihsh toy boyleyth toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn epilogh toy k. Khpoyroy einai diko toy dikaiwma. Kaqenas epilegei to dromo toy. Afora ton idio, kyriws, h epilogh ayth. Einai qema toy kommatos.

Oson afora tis dhlwseis twn diaforwn stelexwn, gnwrizete oti den einai prwth fora poy ta stelexh h oi boyleytes toy PASOK probainoyn se dhlwseis. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai h politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh na tygxanei ths sthrijhs kai ths egkrishs olwn twn boyleytwn, wste h kybernhsh na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths. Kai ayto to exei epityxei h kybernhsh kai qa oloklhrwsei to ergo ths, wste sto telos ths qhteias ths, to 2000, na kriqei kai pali apo ton ellhniko lao gia to synolo toy ergoy ths.

Apo kei kai pera, gnwrizete poly kala oti o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse mia prwtoboylia poy analambanei to PASOK, prokeimenoy na systaqei Ejetastikh twn Pragmatwn Epitroph, sto plaisio ths epiqymias mas na exoyme plhrh diafaneia, na xyqei apleto fws, na doqei plhrhs enhmerwsh gia ta qemata poy aforoyn thn ypoqesh Otsalan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia tis treis kopeles kai toys ypoloipoys poy briskontai sto Nairompi, syzhthqhke; Qa toys ferete kai pote;

REPPAS: Einai ekfrasmenh h epilogh ths kybernhshs na probei se oles tis aparaithtes energeies, prokeimenoy me asfaleia na epistrecoyn stoys topoys toys, osoi einai shmera "egkleistoi", giati peri aytoy prokeitai, sthn presbeia sto Nairompi. Exoyme pei oti ginontai ayth thn wra oi aparaithtes diaboyleyseis kai energeies. Pisteyoyme oti qa oloklhrwqoyn me epityxia. Den mporoyme na prosdiorisoyme th xronikh stigmh poy ayto qa katastei dynato. To bebaio einai oti kanoyme to kalytero dynato kai elpizoyme oti h prospaqeia mas ayth qa exei aisio apotelesma.

MOYRTZHS: Apomonwnw dyo fraseis poy moy ekanan entypwsh apo th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy: "oydeis mporei na anakocei thn poreia ths kybernhshs" kai "oydeis mporei na apostaqeropoihsei to bhmatismo ths xwras". Kat` arxhn, poioys eixe apodektes ayth h dhlwsh kai an fobatai o Prwqypoyrgos syntagmatikh ektroph.

Kai mia deyterh erwthsh: Ayto to kthtiko "h kybernhsh moy" poy gia prwth fora to leei o Prwqypoyrgos, ti shmainei;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai epikefalhs mias kybernhshs, h opoia exei kanei ena poly shmantiko ergo. Metajy twn allwn, logw toy syllogikoy tropoy me ton opoio leitoyrgei h kybernhsh, gnwrizete poly kala oti o Prwqypoyrgos apofeygei na xrhsimopoiei tis lejeis "egw" h "moy". Nomizw omws oti se ayth thn periptwsh, epeidh exei thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei, dikaiologeitai ayth h anafora. Apo kei kai pera, h kybernhsh den fobatai endexomeno syntagmatikhs ektrophs. H kybernhsh einai ayth poy eggyatai thn politikh staqerothta kai tis omales politikes ejelijeis. Ayto, allwste, fainetai apo tis prwtoboylies poy analambanei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh.

H anafora ayth den ginetai prwth fora. Exei ginei sto prosfato parelqon kai afora oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi me opoiodhpote tropo, ej antikeimenoy, xwris th qelhsh toys polloi ej aytwn, symballoyn sth dhmioyrgia enos klimatos reystothtas, to opoio yponomeyei thn poreia ths xwras pros to mellon, pros thn epiteyjh twn megalwn stoxwn ths. Ayto einai anepitrepto. Epeidh prepei na antimetwpisoyme me megalh eyqynh kai synesh ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis, oson afora thn ypoqesh Otsalan, qa prepei na to kanoyme xwris na mas diafeygei, oti oi topoqethseis, oi dhlwseis, oi xeirismoi mas mporei na ephreasoyn arnhtika tis eswterikes ejelijeis kai na blacoyn ta symferonta ths xwras. Giati h xwra prepei se sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma na oloklhrwsei to ergo ths kai na epityxei toys stoxoys ths. Den qa prepei na synthrhqei ayto to klima politikhs astaqeias kai reystothtas poy kapoioi qeloyn, isws, na dhmioyrghsoyn, giati ayto qa einai pros zhmia twn symferontwn ths xwras. Ayto akribws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, stelnontas ena mhnyma se oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi fainetai oti xrhsimopoioyn telikws thn ypoqesh Otsalan, prokeimenoy na energopoihsoyn ejelijeis kai diadikasies sto eswteriko ths xwras.

Pisteyw oti einai katwtero twn peristasewn, thn wra poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme to qema ths metaxeirishs toy k. Otsalan, emeis na epididomaste se mikropolitika paixnidia. Ayto emmesws epeshmane kai o Prwqypoyrgos.

ELENOPOYLOS: Na epimeinw sto qema ths prohgoymenhs erwthshs: Qa hqela, ean einai dynato bebaiws na moy peite poies einai oi dynameis apostaqeropoihshs; Einai qesmikes, ejwqesmikes, entos toy kybernwntos kommatos; Einai dynato na yparxei mia apanthsh;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola eipame oti den yparxei kindynos ektrophs. Alla ek twn pragmatwn, ej antikeimenoy, eipa kai epanalambanw oti polles energeies h dhlwseis dhmioyrgoyn ena klima astaqeias h reystothtas, to opoio prepei na antimetwpistei. Kai qa antimetwpistei, an oloi me synesh, syspeirwmenoi katw apo thn prospaqeia poy kanei h xwra na symbalei sth dikaih antimetwpish toy A. Otsalan, apofygoyme na eiserxomaste se qemata ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh. Isa-isa exoyn alloys stoxoys, oi opoioi einai peripoy profaneis. Kai en pash periptwsei den einai toy parontos na teqoyn aytoi oi stoxoi. Apo opoiondhpote den einai toy parontos na teqoyn aytoi oi stoxoi.

DHMAKAS: Yparxei sthn kybernhsh h ektimhsh -kai malista prosfath, shmerinh- oti h Toyrkia qelei na mas epanaferei sto status twn sxesewn Elladas-Toyrkias ths perasmenhs dekaetias;

REPPAS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti h Ellada exei kanei shmantika bhmata proodoy ta teleytaia xronia. Exei proseggisei toys stoxoys poy exei qesei. Exoyme kat` epanalhch pei oti ayth h poreia ths Elladas, se sxesh me thn apotyxia ths Toyrkias na epityxei toys stoxoys ths, kyriws dhladh thn proodo twn sxesewn ths me thn E. E., dhmioyrgei problhmata sthn Toyrkia kai prokalei tis antidraseis ths. Me ayth thn ennoia, h Toyrkia qa metelqei diafora mesa, prokeimenoy na anakocei, na empodisei ayth thn poreia ths Elladas pros thn enwmenh Eyrwph. Kai epeidh akribws qewrei oti h entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE shmainei strathgiko plhgma gia thn idia, pisteyoyme oti den apokleietai na analabei kai alles prwtoboylies, peran aytwn twn frastikwn epiqesewn twn hgetwn ths, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei ena klima apostaqeropoihshs sthn eyryterh perioxh, gia na dhmioyrghsei problhmata sto eswteriko ths Elladas, me teliko stoxo na empodisei thn poreia mas pros thn ONE. Ayto, omws, den qa to epityxei. Mataioponei oso kai an prospaqhsei, giati pisteyoyme oti h politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh se orismenoys tomeis kai sto sygkekrimeno, aphxei thn epiqymia ths megalhs pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy kai briskei symfwnes oles tis politikes dynameis ths xwras h toylaxiston th megalh pleiochfia twn politikwn dynamewn ths xwras.

KIAOS: Eipate oti den syzhthqhke, otan bghkate. Dhladh...

REPPAS: Den syzhthqhke; Ti ennoeite; Epi poioy qematos milate;

KIAOS: H erwthsh moy ekei anaferetai, oti h katastash thn opoia antimetwpizei h kybernhsh, opws fanhke kai me ton anasxhmatismo kai me ola ta pragmata meta thn ypoqesh Otsalan etsi opws ejelixqhke sto eswteriko toy kybernwntos kommatos, einai mia idiaiterh katastash sthn opoia pote den breqhke. Einai dynato na mhn syzhthqhke, na mhn eipe kaneis kamia koybenta sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph epi toy qematos aytoy;

REPPAS: Me sygxwreite, den katalaba.

KIAOS: H politikh katastash thn opoia antimetwpizei h kybernhsh qelei den qelei, antikeimenika. Kai mono h paraithsh toy Khpoyroy kai mono oi dhlwseis poy ginontai kai mono ena swro pragmata kai mono o anasxhmatismos ton opoio anagkasthke na kanei o Prwqypoyrgos kai mono oi dhlwseis poy ekane gia toys ypoyrgoys poy fygane k. lp., ola ayta einai dynato na mhn eteqh estw ena "i", na mh lexqei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph epi toy qematos, thn perigrafh ths katastasews. Pws einai shmera h katastash gia thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Eipwqhke oti h katastash, asfalws, einai krisimh. Xreiazontai xeirismoi ypeyqynoi kai poly prosektikoi. Apo kei kai pera omws, oydeis eqese qema kapoias allaghs, oson afora thn politikh mas poreia h oson afora thn organwtikh kai politikh sygkrothsh toy Kinhmatos kai ths kybernhshs.

Eipwqhke apo oloys oti prepei apo koinoy na ajiopoihsoyme tis dynatothtes poy exoyme -kai exoyme para polles dynatothtes- wste na probaloyme tis apoceis mas ki etsi, anadeiknyontas me tis dikes mas prwtoboylies thn orqothta ths politikhs mas, na kerdisoyme kai pali to edafos empistosynhs poy fainetai oti exei xaqei tis teleytaies hmeres, logw toy oti eixame ayth thn asxhmh katalhjh stoys xeirismoys poy eginan, oson afora ton A. Otsalan.

KIAOS: Protaseis sygkekrimenes apo ta melh toy organoy poy milhsane, eginan; Dhladh, pros poia kateyqynsh na kinhqei h kybernhsh me metra sygkekrimena pros th mia h thn allh kateyqynsh, eite legetai ayto ejwterikh politikh, eite legetai oikonomia, eite legetai koinwnikh politikh se opoion tomea, elexqhsan;

REPPAS: Periorizomai na epanalabw ayta poy anefere kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Gnwrizete oti eixe epikoinwnies me jenoys hgetes tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Qa synexisei ayto ton kyklo epikoinwnias kai synennohshs me Eyrwpaioys hgetes kai tis epomenes hmeres. Metabainei sth Bonnh, akoloyqws sto Milano, sto Synedrio toy Eyrwpaikoy Sosialistikoy Kommatos.

Ayrio synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia. Shmera apofasisthke kai anakoinwqhke h systash Ejetastikhs twn Pragmatwn Epitrophs gia th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh. Ola ayta pisteyw, ta opoia einai hdh se ejelijh, apoteloyn mia desmh prwtoboyliwn, oi opoies qewroyme oti mporei na symbaloyn sthn antimetwpish ths katastashs poy dhmioyrghqhke.

KIAOS: H Ejetastikh Epitroph, thn opoia anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos -kai sas rwtaw, epeidh o idios den dexqhke erwthseis apo toys dhmosiografoys, gia mia akomh fora- exei sxesh h apofash poy phrate me tis sxetikes protaseis poy exoyn ginei, kata seira, apo to Synaspismo kai th Nea Dhmokratia;

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh. Egw den gnwrizw na exei diatypwsei tetoia qesh h Nea Dhmokratia. Gnwrizw, plhroforhqhka, oti o Synaspismos exei kataqesei mia protash...

KIAOS: Dhmosia exoyn ginei ayta.

REPPAS:... h opoia den sygkentrwnei ton aparaithto ariqmo twn boyleytwn, epeidh akribws den diaqetei ton aparaithto ariqmo boyleytwn o Synaspismos. Ayto to opoio kanoyme emeis, to kanoyme epeidh akribws, opws exoyme pei, qeloyme na doqei plhrhs plhroforhsh, na yparxei enhmerwsh gia to pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata. Einai mia prwtoboylia thn opoia analambanei to PASOK, epeidh qelei kai di` aytoy toy tropoy na epishmanei to sebasmo kai to endiaferon mas na lamcei h alhqeia.

KIAOS: Ejetastikh Epitroph, exete ypoch sas an allh fora sto parelqon kybernwn komma apo mono toy zhthse na ginei;

REPPAS: Den enqymoymai, akribws, se poies periptwseis exei systaqei Ejetastikh Epitroph. Pisteyw omws oti ayth thn wra einai mia epilogh apolytws endedeigmenh. Exw th gnwmh pws qa prepei na anamenoyme me endiaferon tis ergasies ths Epitrophs ayths, poy einai bebaio oti qa systaqei. Mexri tote qa prepei oloi na epideijoyme aytosygkrathsh kai cyxraimia gia to kalo kai ths Patridas kai ths alhqeias. Giati, bebaiws, polles plhrofories diakinoyntai, diafores ekdoxes blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas. Qa prepei na sebastoyme aytes tis diadikasies poy einai poly egkyres kai stis opoies qa proselqoyn kai qa milhsoyn aytoi poy gnwrizoyn ta qemata. Mexri tote sas parakalw oloys na deijoyme mia sxetikh cyxraimia.

KIAOS: Kai kati teleytaio, epeidh eipate oti "thn prwtoboylia exei o Prwqypoyrgos". Twra; Den thn eixe, dhladh, prohgoymenws;

REPPAS: Pantote thn eixe o Prwqypoyrgos thn prwtoboylia. Gi` ayto einai o Prwqypoyrgos.

KIAOS: Kai se oles tis faseis ths ypoqesews Otsalan;

REPPAS: Antilambanomai ti einai ayto poy apo thn pisw porta qelete na epanaferete me thn erwthsh.

KIAOS: Kamia "pisw porta". Eyqeia einai h erwthsh.

REPPAS: Asfalws pantote exei tis prwtoboylies o Prwqypoyrgos. Gia to politiko plaisio o Prwqypoyrgos einai aytos o opoios exei tis prwtoboylies kai qetei th sfragida toy. Apo ekei kai pera, h ejeidikeysh aytoy toy politikoy plaisioy, me sygkekrimena metra kai epimeroys xeirismoys, afora aytoys poy kanoyn toys xeirismoys, poy xeirizontai kai ejeidikeyoyn thn politikh ayth. Den einai aytonohto ayto;

KIAOS: Kai gia toys opoioys xeirismoys, einai pantote enhmerwmenos.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai enhmerwmenos, einai aytos o opoios kateyqynei thn politikh h opoia akoloyqeitai sta qemata ths xwras.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos kaq' olh th diarkeia toy qematos Otsalan, eixe apeyqeias epikoinwnia me ton idio ton k. Otsalan;

REPPAS: Oxi, den eixe tetoia epikoinwnia.

KARASABBA: Otan lete "peran twn dhlwsewn Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn" qewreite oti yparxei kai kindynos qermoy epeisodioy, probokatsias; Mporeite na to sygkekrimenopoihsete; Kai an eteqh ayto sto KYSEA ti metra exoyn lhfqei apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, pros apofygh kapoias probokatsias h qermoy epeisodioy;

REPPAS: Diapistwnoyme pws h Toyrkia prospaqei na synthrhsei to kako klima stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Epidiwkei peraiterw ojynsh kai epideinwsh twn sxesewn. Emeis qa prepei na eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme ola ta endexomena. Oi Enoples Dynameis ths xwras, h xwra einai etoimh gia kaqe endexomeno. Den yparxei kapoia poly sygkekrimenh kai eidikh plhroforia. H analysh, omws, ths politikhs, thn opoia ayth thn wra, akoloyqei h Toyrkia, odhgei sto symperasma pws epiballetai na eimaste se epagrypnhsh, se egrhgorsh, gia na antimetwpisoyme kaqe piqanh ejelijh ston tomea ayto. Kai ayto kanoyme.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ayto to prwto proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy, to "egw", "h Kybernhsh moy" k. t. l., mhpws amfisbhthse kaneis oti einai h kybernhsh toy kai ton anagkase na to pei;

Kai ena deytero erwthma: Tis prwtoboylies poy anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios proswpika -opws o idios eipe- analambanei, meta thn tragikh katalhjh toy qematos Otsalan, giati den tis eixame kai prin proswpika; Na ginw pio sygkekrimenos: Giati den anelabe proswpikes prwtoboylies prin;

REPPAS: Oi prwtoboylies poy anelabe o Prwqypoyrgos, htan prwtoboylies oi opoies kinoyntai sto xwro ths armodiothtas toy. Den epikoinwnhse me Prwqypoyrgoys allwn xwrwn, en ocei toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn, poy egine molis xqes; Den proetoimase to edafos wste o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn na exei th dynatothta, xqes, na qesei to qema stis swstes diastaseis toy kai telikws na exoyme ayth thn ekbash, me th dhlwsh ths E. E; Ayto egine. Oi prwtoboylies aytes qa synexistoyn. Den yparxei opoiodhpote qema poy afora amfisbhthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto plaisio ths kybernhshs. Gi` ayto, akribws, oi lejeis oi opoies xrhsimopoioyntai parakalw na mh sas odhgoyn sto na bgazete politika symperasmata. Giati, en telei, eite xrhsimopoioyntai, eite den xrhsimopoioyntai, etsi kai alliws, anazhteitai pantote kai eyrisketai ena pedio askhshs kritikhs ston Prwqypoyrgo. Nomizw oti den prepei na dwsete kapoia idiaiterh shmasia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate. To proswpiko endiaferon poy epideiknyei o prwqypoyrgos twra, meta kai tis ejelijeis, meta th syllhch Otsalan, giati ayto to idio proswpiko endiaferon den to eidame kai prin;

REPPAS: Asfalws, o Prwqypoyrgos ekdhlwse proswpiko endiaferon. Gi` ayto akribws edwse thn egkrish toy, apo logoys anqrwpistikoys kai monon, na anoijoyme ayth thn parenqesh sto plaisio ths politikhs poy exoyme ejaggeilei, oson afora to koyrdiko zhthma, kai na prosferoyme bohqeia kai kalych ston Ampntoylax Otsalan. Ayto egine epeidh akribws epeleje kai o Prwqypoyrgos na dwsei thn egkrish toy, prokeimenoy na doqei ayth h bohqeia. An eixe diaforetikh apoch o Prwqypoyrgos, an den endiaferotan na prosferei bohqeia, qa htan apo thn arxh aporriptikos se kaqe tetoio endexomeno. Ki omws den htan.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Dhladh, me tis eylogies toy Prwqypoyrgoy eginan osa eginan;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, den apanthsa se ayto; Den milhsa gia to plaisio politikhs to opoio tygxanei ths egkrishs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kateyqynetai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo; Apo ekei kai pera ejeidikeyetai ayto me sygkekrimenes prajeis kai me kaqe leptomereia to kaqe qema to xeirizontai, kata periptwsh, oi armodioi foreis.

MAYRIDHS: Shmera eixame mia ptwsh toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Malista legetai oti oi agores proejofloyn tis politikes ejelijeis. Sas anhsyxei to gegonos; Ti metra lambanei h kybernhsh kai ti exete na peite stoys ependytes poy anhsyxoyn gia ta xrhmata toys;

REPPAS: Oti gia thn poreia ths xwras tis apofaseis tis pairnei h politikh hgesia. An oi agores qewroyn oti mporei na ypokatasthsoyn thn politikh, kanoyn laqos to opoio qa to plhrwsoyn oi idies oi agores. Kaloyme, loipon, oloys na einai cyxraimoi, na deijoyn aytosygkrathsh. Giati, pragmatika, ayth thn periodo qa epidiwjoyn para polloi na kerdoskophsoyn se baros twn politwn oi opoioi exoyn ependysei sto Xrhmatisthrio. H politikh staqerothta gia th xwra einai dedomenh. H kybernhsh eggyatai tis omales politikes ejelijeis kai gi` ayto akribws den dikaiologeitai h anhsyxia, h opoia ekfrasthke sthn poreia twn deiktwn toy Xrhmatisthrioy, di` aytoy toy tropoy.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: O Prwqypoyrgos periegrace ws ergo ths Koinoboyleytikhs Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, opws to eipe thn "ypoqesh Otsalan". Mporeite na mas peite ti afora ayth h ypoqesh;

REPPAS: Prin diatypwqei to sygkekrimeno skeptiko, h eishghsh ths Epitrophs, den einai dynaton ayth thn wra na milhsoyme me perissoteres leptomereies. Parakalw na anamenete liges hmeres, prokeimenoy na parei sygkekrimenh morfh h systash ths Epitrophs ayths kai apo ekei kai pera oi ergasies ths idias ths Epitrophs qa einai aytes oi opoies qa deijoyn to dromo gia th dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, legontas ayto, ti ennooyse;

REPPAS: Ennooyse oti h Epitroph ayth qa asxolhqei me to pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata etsi, wste na exoyme ayth thn ejelijh.

KARAGIANNH: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke, prosfata, se laqh poy exoyn ginei sthn ypoqesh Otsalan. Eseis prohgoymenws eipate oti "edwse thn egkrish toy gia bohqeia, kalych". Epeidh, kaneis den mas exei dieykrinisei poy akribws entopizontai ayta ta laqh, to erwthma moy einai an h kybernhsh anagnwrizei oti yphrje laqos sto qema ths paroxhs bohqeias poy egine gia anqrwpistikoys logoys;

REPPAS: Eipa oti ayth htan h politikh ektimhsh kai oti eixe thn analogh epilogh h kybernhsh. H kybernhsh mexri toy xronikoy ekeinoy shmeioy poy eixe ypo ton elegxo ths ton Ampntoylax Otsalan, o Koyrdos hgeths htan asfalhs, den dietrexe kindyno. Apo ekei kai pera, pisteyoyme oti apo logoys anqrwpismoy, eprepe na kanoyme ayth thn politikh paroxhs bohqeias ston Ampntoylax Otsalan, se mia para poly dyskolh stigmh gi` ayton. Poly perissotero poy den yphrxan xwres diateqeimenes na toy prosferoyn analogh bohqeia. Eprepe na antimetwpisoyme ena qema, to opoio proekyce oxi me dikh mas eyqynh. Breqhkame apenanti se ena tetelesmeno gegonos. Den gyrisame thn plath mas se ayto to gegonos, opws ekanan alloi h qa hqelan kapoioi alloi na kanoyme. Epilejame ayto to dromo. Apo to shmeio ekeino kai meta, poy h ellhnikh kybernhsh epace na exei ton elegxo kai thn eyqynh gia ton Koyrdo hgeth eixame ayth th dysmenh ejelijh.

KARAGIANNH: Eipate prohgoymenws oti "polles energeies h dhlwseis, tis teleytaies hmeres, dhmioyrgoyn klima astaqeias h reystothtas". To erwthma moy einai ean...

REPPAS: Epixeiroyn. Epixeiroyn na dhmioyrghsoyn klima astaqeias h reystothtas. Kai ej antikeimenoy. Den lew oti yparxei panta kapoios dolos. Eipa, ej antikeimenoy odhgoyn se mia tetoia katastash.

KARAGIANNH: To erwthma einai: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti, endexomenws, ayto to klima astaqeias h reystothtas qa mporoyse na synthrhqei peraiterw h kai na entaqei akomh, en ocei toy programmatismenoy -se treis ebdomades- synedrioy toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Oxi, giati pisteyoyme oti oi prwtoboylies poy exei analabei h kybernhsh qa apodwsoyn karpoys. Pisteyw oti to klima qa allajei, thn epomenh periodo, otan qa ginontai gnwsta ta stoixeia ta opoia sygkrotoyn ayth thn ypoqesh kai otan, pleon, me poly pio epishmo kai safh tropo fanei oti h kybernhsh eixe thn proqesh na kanei to kalytero kai analambanei tis eyqynes ekeines ws pros to oti den petyxe na ferei se peras mia poly dyskolh apostolh, thn opoia anelabe epeidh breqhke apenanti ths kai den epexeirhse na thn agnohsei. Pisteyoyme, loipon, oti qa exoyme mia beltiwsh toy klimatos, tis epomenes hmeres, giati kai oloi ekeinoi, oi opoioi milhsan me tropo poy den einai kai o pleon orqos, qa stamathsoyn na miloyn, me bash thn ypoqesh Otsalan, anaferomenoi se qemata poy aforoyn tis eswterikes ejelijeis sthn Ellada h kai sto PASOK. Giati, blepw para polloys na miloyn peripoy xaroymenoi -prepei na sas pw- gi` ayth thn ejelijh. Lypoymai poy to lew, alla to exw dei kai ayto.

KIAOS: Sto PASOK;

REPPAS: Den jerw. Blepw kapoioys na exoyn enan tropo proseggishs ths katastashs, o opoios deixnei peripoy oti epixairoyn. Lypoymai poy to lew, alla an einai etsi -moy exei metaferqei ena tetoio klima- deixnei, pragmatika, oti den exoyn metro ths sobarothtas ths katastashs kai ths eyqynhs me thn opoia prepei na antimetwpisoyme ayta ta qemata.

XATZHDHMHTRIOY: Qewreite oti h epimonh sthn epiteyjh twn oikonomikwn stoxwn, mporei sta matia ths koinhs gnwmhs na kalycei tis astoxies sthn ejwterikh politikh kai ta eqnika qemata;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola den dexomai oti exoyme tetoies astoxies sthn ejwterikh politikh kai se eqnika qemata. Pisteyw oti oi xeirismoi poy ekane h kybernhsh sta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai amynas htan apotelesmatikoi, me synepeia h Ellada na proxwra, exontas paijei ena rolo gia th staqerothta kai thn eirhnh sthn perioxh, kai taytoxrona proseggizontas megaloys koinwnikoys kai oikonomikoys stoxoys poy exei qesei. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to Kypriako -to opoio thn wra ekeinh poy to PASOK anelabe th diakybernhsh briskotan afhmeno, parathmeno apo th Dieqnh Koinothta- shmera antimetwpizetai me ena diaforetiko prisma. Hdh, h E. E. syzhta me thn Kypro, thn entajh ths se aythn. Ayth einai mia poly qeamatikh ejelijh. Gnwrizete oti to 1993 h Ellada -otan to PASOK anelabe th diakybernhsh toy topoy- htan peripoy se exqrikes sxeseis, eixe erqei se antiparaqesh me tis alles xwres twn Balkaniwn. Shmera to topio einai poly diaforetiko. Exoyn analhfqei prwtoboylies, exoyn ginei Balkanikes Diaskeceis, einai poly kalyteres oi dimereis kai polymereis sxeseis sthn perioxh, gia na exoyme ayth th staqerothta kai thn asfaleia. Ara, loipon, den einai mono to orama ths entajhs ths Elladas, ws isotimhs xwras me tis alles xwres sthn ONE, to opoio trofodotei tis prospaqeies mas. Alla kai ayto einai kati to opoio den mporei kaneis na to paragnwrisei kai den mporei kaneis na meiwsei ayth thn prospaqeia. Giati, h entajh ths xwras sthn ONE, fainotan to 1993 "apiasto" oneiro, enw shmera briskomaste se apostash anapnohs. Ayto shmainei oti egine mia poly shmantikh prospaqeia, oti exei epitelestei ena poly spoydaio ergo. Kai stoys alloys tomeis den qewrw oti exoyme astoxhsei. Bebaiws, exoyn ginei laqh. Bebaiws, qa mporoysan se kapoies periptwseis ta pragmata na einai poly kalytera. Adikoyme, omws, th xwra mas panw ap' ola -oxi th kybernhsh, th xwra mas adikoyme- otan qewroyme oti brisketai se mia katastash h opoia einai poly pisw, san na mhn exei ginei tipota qetiko.

XATZHDHMHTRIOY: Den thn adikw egw. O Prwqypoyrgiko symboylos thn adikei. Apoch toy k. Giannitsh metefera.

REPPAS: Kalws. Ayth einai h dikh sas ektimhsh. Den sas aphyqyna tetoia momfh. Qa moy epitrecete na pw, me bash thn erwthsh poy qetete, to sxolio poy kanete oson afora ton k. Giannitsh, oti ki eseis profanws pagideythkate apo dhmosieyma shmerinhs efhmeridas poy apodidei ston k. Giannitsh pragmata ta opoia den exei pei. Kai pisteyw h efhmerida, ayrio, na epanorqwsei. Kai malista, prepei na pw, oti anaferetai ston k. Giannitsh kai toy apodidei logia, ta opoia oydepote eipe, giati den synomilhse me kapoion kai den eipe se kapoion ayta ta pragmata. Kai malista, anaferetai san na exei tajidecei o k. Giannitshs sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, san na elabe meros se kapoio synedrio kai na ta eipe ayta. Den tajidece o anqrwpos sthn Kwnstantinoypolh!

Edw exoyme, dhladh, mia tragikh apodeijh toy poso dyskolo einai na xeiristoyme me cyxraimia qemata, makria apo ojythtes kai apo diaqesh na ta ekmetalleytoyme. Einai kapoia qemata poy den prosferontai gia ekmetalleysh. Kai ayto prepei oloi na to exoyme ypoch mas.

FILHS: Pote qa synedriasei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, dedomenoy oti gia na katateqei h protash sygkrothshs ayths ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs prepei na ypogracoyn arketoi boyleytes toy PASOK. Thlefwnikws, dia periforas qa yparjei ayto to keimeno h qa synedriasei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Den xreiazetai na synedriasei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada gia na sygkentrwqoyn oi aparaithtes ypografes. Ayto einai kati poy texnikws einai efikto. Gnwrizete, poly kala, oti se kamia ej oswn enqymoymai ki egw -giati eimai polla xronia boyleyths- apo tis prohgoymenes periptwseis poy sygkrothqhkan tetoies Epitropes, den sygkentrwqhkan oi ypografes, sto plaisio mias synedriashs Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qewrei anagkaio -me dedomeno oti yparxei mia apomonwsh apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, yparxei anabrasmos, apo oti fainetai ekei- na enhmerwsei o idios toys boyleytes toy, na sygkalesei koinoboyleytikh omada gia tis politikes ejelijeis;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti einai se ejelijh seira energeiwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ta organa ths kybernhshs synedriazoyn. Qa synedriasoyn kai ta kommatika organa kai bebaiws, sto plaisio enos sygkekrimenoy diagrammatos kinhsewn, qa epilegei poia qa einai h poreia twn synedriasewn twn organwn, kommatikwn kai kybernhtikwn, sta opoia prepei, anaferomenos o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh, na syzhthsei peraiterw ayto to qema. Einai kati gia to opoio den exei lhfqei apofash.

FILHS: Wstoso, h K. O. enos kommatos, oi boyleytes, to Koinoboylio exoyn mia syntagmatikh prwtokaqedria enanti twn ypoloipwn kommatikwn organwn. H kybernhsh den aisqanetai thn anagkh na synedriasei h Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph toy PASOK kai alla organa, na enhmerwsei toys boyleytes otan apo ekei akoygontai fwnes akoma kai gia paraithsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh aisqanetai bary to xreos ths kai gi` ayto analambanei aytes tis prwtoboylies. Kai milhsa gia mia poly spoydaia prwtoboylia, opws einai ayth gia th systash Ejetastikhs twn Pragmatwn Epitrophs.

FILHS: Erhmhn twn boyleytwn toy PASOK.

REPPAS: H Koinoboyleytikh Omada einai ayth poy analambanei thn prwtoboylia kai oi boyleytes toy PASOK einai aytoi oi opoioi qa proteinoyn th systash ths Epitrophs. Aytoi qa ypogracoyn kai s` ayth thn prwtoboylia ekfrazontai oloi, etsi pisteyw, oi boyleytes ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK.

FILHS: Thn teleytaia ebdomada, poy einai h ebdomada meta Otsalan, paroysiazetai o Prwqypoyrgos na lambanei apofaseis ypo piesh. Th Deytera, arrwstos apo to spiti toy, dhlwnei oti ola eginan kalws. Meta apo dyo hmeres, anagkazetai na karatomhsei treis ypoyrgoys kai na pei oti yphrjan problhmata politika. Eseis edw kai o Prwqypoyrgos dia ths sighs toy, aporricate thn protash gia sygkrothsh Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Shmera, erxetai o Prwqypoyrgos...

REPPAS: Poia protash aporricame;

FILHS:... gia Ejetastikh Epitroph thn eixe kanei o Synaspismos. Eipate, oxi, edw sto briefing, sthn politikh enhmerwsh. Diabaste kai thn apanthsh sas.

REPPAS: Den yphrxe katateqeimenh tetoia protash, otan syzhtoysame. Htan sto epipedo twn dhmosiwn syzhthsewn kai analysewn, mia tetoia skech.

FILHS: Lew oti edw sthn politikh enhmerwsh -kai einai grammenh h apanthsh- eseis eipate, oxi. Sas janarwthsa kai eipate oti ayto einai qema toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kanei dhlwseis o Prwqypoyrgos thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, meta thn karatomhsh twn ypoyrgwn toy kai den leei tipota. Shmera, emfanizetai na kanei ayth thn protash. Den blepei oti yparxei ena problhma, oti o Prwqypoyrgos energei katw apo piesh, oti klimakwnei apo thn pleyra toy kapoies prwtoboylies; Mhpws ayrio o k. Prwqypoyrgos apodexqei kai thn allh protash kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs kai proteinei ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias na sygkalesei syskech politikwn arxhgwn;

REPPAS: Oson afora to teleytaio qema, gia na to jekaqarisoyme kai na mhn yparxei opoiadhpote paranohsh, h kybernhsh den exei asxolhqei me tetoio qema kai o Prwqypoyrgos den antimetwpizei tetoio qema.

FILHS: Desmeyeste s` ayto;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, ayth thn wra, ayth einai h qesh thn opoia me kathgorhmatiko tropo metaferw.

FILHS: Ayth thn wra.

REPPAS: Miloyme gia ta dedomena ta opoia yparxoyn. Den eimaste mellontologoi. An qelete na me metatrecete se mellontologo qa arnhqw ayto to rolo. Apo ekei kai pera, pisteyw oti isa-isa o Prwqypoyrgos qa prepei na exei th dynatothta, opws kai h kybernhsh, na anaptyjoyn tis prwtoboylies me tetoio tropo, wste na tis kaqistoyn perissotero apotelesmatikes. Na einai pio drastikh h parembash toys. O Prwqypoyrgos den epidiwkei th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Den exei kanena logo na probei genikws se anakoinwseis, prokeimenoy etsi na epidiwjei na prosetairistei thn koinh gnwmh. O Prwqypoyrgos endiaferetai na paraxqei sygkekrimeno apotelesma. Kai oi prwtoboylies poy pairnei einai etsi domhmenes, einai etsi diarqrwmenes, wste na apodidoyn sygkekrimenoys karpoys. Egine ayth h kinhsh sthn E. E. Pisteyw oti exoyme mia qetikh ejelijh. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei seira prwtoboyliwn, tis opoies o Prwqypoyrgos analambanei h prokeitai na analabei. Qa afhsoyme ston idio kai sthn kybernhsh na kaqorisoyn thn roh aytwn twn prwtoboyliwn. Kai bebaiws, h anakoinwsh twn opoiwn prwtoboyliwn qa ginetai me ton tropo kai sto xrono poy krinetai krisimo. Ayto einai safes.

FILHS: Eipate oti h Toyrkia qa metelqei mesa gia na anakocei thn entajh ths xwras mas sthn ONE kai thn poreia ths k. l. p. Ayto shmainei oti h Toyrkia meta thn istoria ths syllhchs toy Otsalan, exei anabaqmistei, exei isxyropoihqei enanti ths Ellados.

REPPAS: Ayth thn analysh thn kaname kai sto parelqon. Legame oti h proodos poy exei kanei h Ellada exei enoxlhsei thn Toyrkia h opoia antidra, giati den mporei na dianohqei oti h Ellada qa breqei sthn ONE kai h Toyrkia den qa exei na perimenei tipote allo kalytero gi` aythn, afoy mexri twra, den exei petyxei kan na einai ypochfia pros entajh xwra. Ara, h Toyrkia isws -kai ayto einai ena stoixeio mias genikoterhs analyshs- epidiwjei na anakocei ayth thn poreia ths Elladas, prokeimenoy na krathsei thn Ellada desmia sta problhmata ths perioxhs, na thn katasthsei ena diadiko meros ths antiparaqeshs s` ayth thn perioxh, ws xwra twn Balkaniwn kai ths Mesogeioy, yponomeyontas thn poreia ths pros thn enwmenh Eyrwph.

FILHS: Kai h syllhch toy Otsalan, kata th gnwmh sas, enisxyei ayth thn toyrkikh epidiwjh h einai ena oydetero stoixeio sthn pagia politikh ths Toyrkias kata ths Elladas;

REPPAS: H syllhch toy Otsalan xrhsimopoieitai apo thn Toyrkia me tetoio tropo, wste na odhgei se streblwsh toy qematos, to opoio prepei na apasxolei kai ekeinh kai th Dieqnh Koinothta. Enw, dhladh, qa prepei na antimetwpisei to koyrdiko zhthma kai na dwsei politikh lysh sto problhma, opws thn kalese molis xqes h E. E., h Toyrkia prospaqei, diastrefontas ta pragmata, na enoxopoihsei thn Ellada gia th stash thn opoia eixe ayth thn periodo, enanti toy agwna toy koyrdikoy laoy. Alla h stash ayth gnwrizw oti einai stash poy eixan oles oi xwres, oi opoies apaitoyn apo thn Toyrkia na anagnwrisei ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata twn politwn ths kai na sebastei kai ta dikaiwmata toy koyrdikoy laoy. Sthn Ellada, aplws exoyme epiprosqetws, ayth thn me kalh diaqesh ths xwras mas prospaqeia na prosferqei bohqeia ston Otsalan, me ayth th dysmenh katalhjh. Ayto, omws, einai mia anagkastikh parenqesh, opws eipa prin, den einai kati to opoio mporei na pei kaneis oti alloiwnei thn politikh mas. Kai den dinei to dikaiwma sthn Toyrkia na ekmetalleyetai ayto to stoixeio me tetoio tropo, wste na diastrefei thn pragmatikothta. H pragmatikothta einai mia. Yparxei problhma sthn Toyrkia. To koyrdiko zhthma einai dieqnes zhthma anagnwrishs kai sebasmoy twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kai epiteloys me politika mesa prepei na to antimetwpisei kai na to lysei h Toyrkia. Ayto einai to qema.

TAKHS: Qa metabei antiproswpeia boyleytwn sthn Kenya kai yparxoyn, gia to logo ayto, synennohseis ths kybernhshs me ton Proedro ths Boylhs;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoia synennohsh ths kybernhshs me ton Proedro ths Boylhs, ej oswn gnwrizw. Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Isws memonwmenoi boyleytes exoyn apeyqynqei sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qelw th dieykrinish sas sto ejhs qema: Eipate oti ej antikeimenoy, endexomenws aqela toys, oti kapoioi dhmioyrgoyn ena klima reystothtas. To erwthma moy einai to ejhs: Ekeinoi oi opoioi askoyn kai synexizoyn na askoyn kritikh kata ths Kybernhshs gia toys xeirismoys ths, entassontai s` ayth thn kathgoria, estw twn mh exontwn proqesh, alla dhmioyrgoyn telika klima apostaqeropoihshs sth xwra;

REPPAS: O kaqenas leei eleyqera tis apoceis toy, alla kai o kaqe tritos exei dikaiwma na krinei aytes tis apoceis kai na probainei se sxetika sxolia. Na ektima, dhladh, thn ej antikeimenoy epiptwsh, poy exei mia politikh stash opoioydhpote stelexoys, boyleyth h aploy polith, enocei twn qematwn poy exoyn prokycei. Pisteyw oti ek twn pragmatwn olh ayth h syzhthsh h opoia anaptyssetai kai h opoia, atyxws, xrhsimopoiei to qema ths aixmalwsias toy Otsalan, ws afethria gia syzhthseis poy exoyn sxesh me ejelijeis sto eswteriko ths xwras, se megalo baqmo odhgei se mia tetoia synepeia.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate polla kai kata thn gnwmh moy antifatika. Eipate oti h kybernhsh den fobatai apostaqeropoihsh, oti eggyatai h syntagmatikh nomimothta, thn idia wra poy koybentiazoyme gia ayto to ej antikeimenoy klima reystothtas, to erwthma moy einai to ejhs: Opws qa exete diapistwsei, aytes tis hmeres, to basiko erwthma to opoio tiqetai, katagrafetai qa elega egw, apo radiofwna, thleoraseis, efhmerides, einai "peftei h den peftei h kybernhsh". Ayto einai to basiko erwthma. Qewreite oti ayto einai apotelesma mias aisqhshs poy kapoioi me ypobolimaio tropo exoyn dhmioyrghsei ston ellhniko lao h aporreei apo toys idioys toys xeirismoys ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den dikazoyme proqeseis. Kanoyme ektimhsh politikwn dhlwsewn h politikwn stasewn. Ek twn pragmatwn, loipon, mporoyme na poyme -kai dikaiwnetai apolytws h topoqethsh moy me thn erwthsh poy kanate- oti oles aytes oi topoqethseis odhgoyn -me to na synthreitai ayth h fhmh, peri dhqen ptwshs ths kybernhshs, peri allagwn kai ola ta synafh- se ena klima to opoio mporei na pei kaneis oti einai klima reystothtas. Apo thn allh, sas lew oti ayto to qema antimetwpizetai apo thn kybernhsh h opoia eggyatai thn politikh staqerothta. Kai bebaiws, peran ths eyqynhs gia thn politikh staqerothta, h kybernhsh den fobatai th syntagmatikh ektroph, poy antilambaneste oti einai kati poly pio sobaro. Pame se mia allh baqmida politikwn ejelijewn, pleon. Ara, loipon, einai apolytws syneph ta osa eipa kai xairomai, giati me thn erwthsh sas, otan eipate oti kapoioi genikws, dejia, aristera, lene pws peftei, den peftei h kybernhsh, dhmioyrgoyn ayto to klima reystothtas, ayth thn amfibolia, ayth th sygxysh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mh moy apodidete emena tetoio pragma.

REPPAS: Opws to apodidete ki eseis se emena, etsi ki egw. Kaqoloy parapanw.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate oti h kybernhsh den exei astoxia sthn ejwterikh politikh. Eseis mas legate oti stoxos htan to koyrdiko na mhn katastei meros twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Twra, poy exoyn koyrdopoihqei oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, mporoyme na milhsoyme gia epityxia ths ejwterikhs politikhs, gia eystoxia;

REPPAS: Emeis bazoyme sth swsth diastash toy to koyrdiko zhthma. H apofash ths E. E. pisteyw oti antanakla ayth thn orqothta me thn opoia prepei na proseggizoyme oloi ayto to qema. Emeis to exoyme kanei mexri twra. Na anazhthqei mia politikh lysh gia to koyrdiko qema. Asfalws, exei th diastash toy ayto to kefalaio sthn ejwterikh politikh mas. Den monopwlei thn ejwterikh politikh mas kai den "koyrdopoioyme" thn ejwterikh politikh mas. Opoioi to epixeiroyn, prosferoyn kakh yphresia kai ston koyrdiko lao, alla kai sthn patrida mas. Kai ayto prepei na einai safes. To eipame apo thn prwth stigmh, to leme kai twra se oloys toys tonoys.

SOYRMELH: H systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs anaggelletai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai efarmozetai apo to PASOK; Pws ginetai, dhladh; To chfizei to PASOK; O Prwqypoyrgos leei sto PASOK kante kai to PASOK to kanei;

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes ths K. O. toy PASOK, toy opoioy Proedros einai o Prwqypoyrgos, analambanoyn ayth thn prwtoboylia.

SOYRMELH: Pote; Pws qa ginei ayto; Poia einai h diadikasia;

REPPAS: Syntomotata. Apo ayrio kiolas. Tis epomenes hmeres.

SOYRMELH: Dhladh, qa sygkentrwqoyn gia na to chfisoyn. Kapws etsi.

REPPAS: Oxi, qa diatypwsoyn thn eishghsh toys gia to qema kai qa zhthsoyn th systash Epitrophs, h opoia qa sygkrothqei kata thn analogia ths dynamhs twn kommatwn, apo boyleytes toy ellhnikoy koinoboylioy. Qa syzhthsoyn to sygkekrimeno qema, prokeimenoy na ekdwsoyn to teliko porisma toys, kalwntas oloys ekeinoys poy kata th gnwmh toys mporoyn na prosferoyn xrhsimes martyries.

SOYRMELH: Thn prohgoymenh fora poy eixe ginei htan to '89. Yphrxan alla prohgoymena;

REPPAS: Exoyme kai alla prohgoymena kai meta to '89, bebaiws, gia to qema twn thlefwnikwn ypoklopwn.

FILHS: Oxi gia eqniko qema.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Gia allo qema. Qa moy epitrecete na mh dwsoyme ayth th diastash eqnikoy qematos, etsi opws to qetete toylaxiston eseis.

SOYRMELH: Ayth h diadikasia me protash toy kommatos sth Boylh, pote qa oloklhrwqei;

REPPAS: Einai kati gia to opoio qa apofasisei h sygkekrimenh Epitroph, me bash ta osa problepei o kanonismos ths Boylhs.

SOYRMELH: Dhladh, se mia ebdomada, se deka hmeres;

REPPAS: Analogws. An krinoyn ta melh ths Epitrophs oti prepei na kalesoyn paragontes na kataqesoyn, antilambaneste pws ayto mporei na parei xrono. An oi paragontes einai ligoi kai oloklhrwqei grhgora h ergasia ths Epitrophs kai diatypwqei to porisma...

SOYRMELH: Hqela na rwthsw, epishs, kati sto qema ths Kenyas. Milhsate gia egkleistoys. Ti akribws ennoeite me ton oro egkleistos; Dhladh, einai mesa kai den mporoyn na bgoyn ejw, einai san fylakismenoi;

REPPAS: Qymaste oti se mia apo tis prohgoymenes hmeres, eipa oti den einai aixmalwtoi, den einai desmioi, mporoyn na kinhqoyn efoson to epiqymoyn. Alla gia logoys asfaleias, meta ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei, twra pleon, paramenoyn mesa. Kai milhsa, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh prohgoymenws, gia egkleistoys, giati peri aytoy prokeitai. Ekana ayth th dieykrinish. Th lejh ayth na th bazoyme se eisagwgika, giati oysiastika isws epiqymoyn na bgoyn ejw, alla den to mporoyn, giati diatrexoyn polloys kindynoys. Ayto to nohma exei h xrhsimopoihsh ayths ths lejhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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