Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-02-08

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Febroyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw en taxei gia to programma twn epomenwn hmerwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

* Ayth thn wra einai se ejelijh, sto Megaro Majimoy syskech kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn stelexwn, me qema tis eyrwekloges. To brady, gyrw stis 8 h wra, o Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei se ekdhlwsh toy Biotexnikoy Epimelhthrioy Peiraia, opoy qa brabeysei melh toy Epimelhthrioy.

* Ayrio, stis 11 p. m., qa episkefqei ta Grafeia toy OTE. Qa syzhthsei me th dioikhsh kai toys ergazomenoys gia thn poreia anaptyjhs toy Organismoy. Ayrio, to apogeyma, arxizei sthn Boylh, h syzhthsh gia thn epikyrwsh ths Synqhkhs toy Amsterntam. Qa einai parwn o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios qa labei to logo thn Tetarth, to apogeyma, sth synedriash ths Boylhs.

* Thn Tetarth to prwi, stis 11.30, qa dexqei -staxyologw metajy twn pollwn synanthsewn kai synergasiwn poy exei- ton Arxiepiskopo Amerikhs Spyridwna.

* Thn Pempth, qa exei synergasia me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai ton k. Apostolakh, enocei ths synedriashs toy KYSEA thn epomenh.

* Thn Paraskeyh, loipon, qa synedriasei to prwi, stis 10.00, to KYSEA me qema thn poreia toy ejoplistikoy programmatos. Argotera, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synedriasoyn apo koinoy h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia toy PASOK gia tis trexoyses ejelijeis.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FASOYLAS: Sto KYSEA qa yparjoyn telikes apofaseis gia ton typo toy aeroskafoys poy qa parei h Ellada;

REPPAS: Qa ejetastei h poreia toy ejoplistikoy programmatos. Ola ayta, qa antimetwpistoyn sto plaisio ths synedriashs toy KYSEA. Den prokeitai apo twra na ejaggeilw poia qa einai h ekbash ayths ths synedriashs.

ARGYROS: Poia einai h eikona poy exei h kybernhsh apo tis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis;

REPPAS: Oi plhrofories poy exoyme odhgoyn sto peripoy asfales symperasma oti den prokeitai na anaptyxqoyn peraiterw oi kinhtopoihseis poy exoyn ejaggeilei oi agrotes sth Qessalia. H syntonistikh epitroph, para thn prospaqeia ths, den katafere na brei qetikh antapokrish sth megalh pleiochfia twn agrotwn ths Qessalias, oi opoioi gnwrizoyn oti tetoioy eidoys ekdhlwseis den antapokrinontai sta pragmatika symferonta toys. Ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas miloyn gia ena mikro ariqmo mhxanhmatwn, ta opoia briskontai se kinhsh ayth thn wra, ariqmo poly katwtero twn prosdokiwn twn organwtwn ayths ths kinhtopoihshs, twn melwn dhladh ths kaloymenhs "Panqessalikhs Syntonistikhs Epitrophs". Epeidh ta ariqmhtika ayta stoixeia parallassoyn apo lepto se lepto, mhn perimenete na anaferw sygkekrimeno ariqmo. Plhroforoymai, omws, egkyrws oti einai poly ligotera apo ayta poy eixan sygkentrwqei shmera to prwi. Kai shmera to prwi htan poly ligotera ayta ta opoia eixan sygkentrwqei, se sxesh me ayta poy anamenontan apo toys organwtes na proselqoyn sthn prosklhsh ths "Panqessalikhs".

PAPADOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh symmerizetai tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy gia toys agrotes kai toys xarakthrismoys poy toys edwse;

REPPAS: Kaqe stelexos, poly perissotero otan mila sto plaisio kommatikwn diadikasiwn, leei tis apoceis toy. Ayto einai kati to opoio prepei na to epitrecoyme. Den prepei na to empodisoyme. Apo kei kai pera, gnwrizete poly kala oti den prepei na genikeyoyme. Yparxoyn anqrwpoi, oi opoioi se oles tis koinwnikes tajeis kai kathgories einai ploysioi. Yparxoyn anqrwpoi sthn idia koinwnikh kathgoria poy exoyn mikroterh perioysia. Kai sto xwro twn agrotwn, yparxoyn agrotes oi opoioi einai ekatommyrioyxoi kai ayto einai poly kalo. Alla yparxoyn kai agrotes, oi opoioi exoyn poly periorismena eisodhmata. Den shmainei oti opoioi katagontai apo mia orismenh perioxh einai ekatommyrioyxoi kai opoioi katagontai apo mia allh perioxh, einai oloi pamptwxoi. Oyte bebaiws, oi agrotes exoyn th sygkekrimenh ideologikh taytothta, logw katagwghs apo sygkekrimenh perioxh, Ola ayta einai sxetika. Prepei na ta blepoyme sygkekrimena kai na apofeygoyme tis genikeyseis kai tis aploysteyseis.

KIAOS: Epeidh kai xqes kai shmera milate gia "kaloymenh Panqessalikh Syntonistikh Epitroph", eseis den thn anagnwrizete ws Syntonistikh; To diadikastiko me endiaferei.

REPPAS: Etsi kaleitai h idia. Yparxoyn ta qesmoqethmena organa toy agrotikoy kinhmatos. Apo kei kai pera, epelejan na onomazontai me ayton ton titlo. Mporei kapoios na exei mia enstash. Ti qa pei "Panqessalikh"; Shmainei oti den yparxei opoiosdhpote allos foreas na ekfrazei toys agrotes. Ayto omws den einai alhqes. Yparxoyn alloi foreis poy ekfrazoyn toys Qessaloys agrotes. Kai fainetai oti h sygkekrimenh Epitroph den ekfrazei to megalo ariqmo twn agrotwn ths Qessalias. Ara, mporei kapoios na pei oti den prokeitai peri Panqessalikhs Syntonistikhs Epitrophs. Alla, ola ayta -epanalambanw- exoyn mikrh shmasia. Kaqenas epilegei na onomazetai opws aytos nomizei. Den prokeitai na mpoyme se mia tetoia syzhthsh, giati den mas afora kai den exei kai shmasia telika gia to qema to opoio mas apasxolei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws th dexqhke o k. Anwmeriths; Me ti onomasia;

REPPAS: Kai emeis etsi thn kaloyme "Panqessalikh Syntonistikh Epitroph".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Etsi den th dexqhke;

REPPAS: Asfalws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws th dexqhke tote, afoy den ekproswpei toys agrotes;

REPPAS: Einai ena organo yparkto. Exei mia paroysia, ekproswpei kai kinhtopoiei agrotes. Sto plaisio toy dialogoy poy exei to Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, syzhta me oloys toys foreis. Epeleje na syzhthsei kai me th sygkekrimenh Epitroph. To qema einai oti to Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias paramenei se ayth th qesh, kalei th sygkekrimenh Epitroph na synexisei to dialogo me to Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, enw h sygkekrimenh Epitroph arneitai ayth th diadikasia kai epilegei thn antiparaqesh kai th sygkroysh. Ayto einai to qema.

MIXAHL: Kat` arxhn, pws jerete eseis poies einai oi prosdokies twn organwtwn kai lete oti einai poly katwteros twn prosdokiwn o ariqmos twn mhxanhmatwn poy sygkentrwqhke; Sas enhmerwsan, as poyme, oti perimenoyn 2.000 agrotes kai phgan 500;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw poia einai ta stoixeia twn prohgoymenwn etwn. Gnwrizw oti tote eixame mia kinhtopoihsh enos ikanopoihtikoy ariqmoy agrotwn, poy me ta mhxanhmata toys eixan proselqei stoys xwroys poy eixe programmatistei na ginei h sygkentrwsh. Twra ta stoixeia poy exw sth diaqesh moy, ta pleon prosfata stoixeia, miloyn gia enan ariqmo, o opoios einai poly mikroteros. Gi` ayto bgazw ayto to symperasma, to opoio einai apolyta dikaiologhmeno.

MIXAHL: Aytoi exoyn 5-6 aithmata. O k. Anwmeriths, sthn epistolh poy toys esteile to Sabbato, oysiastika den desmeyetai se kanena aithma. Rwtw, an gia thn paroysa kybernhsh isxyoyn oi desmeyseis poy anelabe palaiotera gia para poly sygkekrimena qemata, ta opoia epanerxontai apo toys agrotes. Paradeigma, to petrelaio, h meiwsh toy FPA, ta lipasmata k. lp. Isxyoyn oi desmeyseis poy eixe analabei;

REPPAS: Oi desmeyseis ths kybernhshs isxyoyn kai oi politikes poy exei ejaggeilei h kybernhsh efarmozontai. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na antimetwpizoyme mesw toy dialogoy kai ths synennohshs ta problhmata poy yparxoyn. Giati yparxoyn problhmata kai qa synexisoyn na yparxoyn problhmata se polloys tomeis kai ston agrotiko tomea. Ayto to opoio kataggelloyme einai h prospaqeia kapoiwn na metelqoyn tetoia mesa, wste na dhmioyrghsoyn ena xaos sth xwra. Ayto einai poy mas briskei antiqetoys. Bebaiws, mesa apo to dialogo qa prepei na diekdikhsoyn thn probolh twn qematwn toys kai oi sygkekrimenes agrotikes omades kai alles omades politwn. Ayto to opoio den epitrepetai se opoiondhpote einai me mia paranomh kai antikoinwnikh symperifora, na blaptei to koinwniko synolo.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epitrecte moy: Ws paranomh kai antikoinwnikh symperifora krinetai apo esas to endexomeno na kleisoyn oi dromoi kai na mh ginetai h sygkoinwnia twn politwn kai oi metafores. To erwthma, loipon, einai, efoson isxyoyn oi dikes sas desmeyseis, giati den tis ikanopoieite; Paradeigma, h meiwsh toy petrelaioy, den exei ginei. O FPA den exei meiwqei. Kai ayta einai aithmata, ta opoia o prohgoymenos Ypoyrgos Gewrgias eixe pei, "nai, dexomaste na ta prajoyme". Giati den eginan ayta; As ginontan kai meta as diamartyrontan aytoi kai na toys krinoyme.

REPPAS: Den eiste apolytws plhroforhmenos, gi` ayto milate me ayto ton tropo. Oi desmeyseis isxyoyn, efarmozontai. To problhma, to opoio kaleitai na antimetwpisei h kybernhsh -kai ayto qa kanei stis syskeceis poy exei tis epomenes hmeres- einai to qema twn memonwmenwn xrewn, twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizoyn sygkekrimenoi pia agrotes, giati exoyn ginei ta teleytaia 20 xronia, peripoy eikosi ryqmiseis xrewn, xwris oysiastika na lyqei to qema. Ara, loipon, qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme, me tropo poly sygkekrimeno kai eidiko, ejatomikeymeno qa elega, ayto to fainomeno twn xrewn, gia na dwsoyme ikanopoihtikes lyseis, na wfelhqoyn pragmatika aytoi oi opoioi xreiazontai th bohqeia mas. Ola ta alla qemata, ta opoia exoyn apasxolhsei to agrotiko kinhma, sto plaisio toy dialogoy me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias, exoyn mpei se mia troxia. Antimetwpizontai. Kai prepei na sas pw oti ta posa poy exoyn diateqei gia thn ikanopoihsh aithmatwn agrotwn, einai kolossiaia. Einai ekatontades disekatommyria draxmes poy exoyn doqei, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn kai na ikanopoihqoyn tetoia aithmata. Einai adiko, loipon, mia omada agrotwn, se mia orismenh perioxh ths Elladas, na qewrei oti mono ekeinh exei problhmata kai di` aytoy toy tropoy na diekdikei th lysh toys. Dhladh me dynamikes kinhtopoihseis, oi opoies odhgoyn -kata tis ejaggelies twn idiwn twn organwtwn aytwn twn kinhtopoihsewn- akomh kai se endexomeno kleisimatos ths Eqnikhs Odoy.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, kat' arxhn sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy ekane thn Paraskeyh to apogeyma o k. Anwmeriths. Paradexthke, eyqews eipe oti ontws den exoyn akomh efarmostei osa eixan symfwnhqei gia tis xrewseis toy FPA, ta petrelaia klp. Ayta ta parakamptw gia na rwthsw kai kati akoma: an o idios o k. Anwmeriths sto qema twn xrewn, poy eseis anagnwrizete oti twra einai ena problhma pio entono, proteine sygkekrimenh lysh sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai h lysh ayth den egine apodekth kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio katelhje se kapoia allh lysh h opoia, opws plhroforhqhkame, qa arxisei na efarmozetai sta mesa ths ebdomados.

REPPAS: Sto plaisio ths syzhthshs sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio o k. Anwmeriths anaferqhke sto synolo twn qematwn ths agrotikhs politikhs kai ekane idiaiteres epishmanseis. Oi apofaseis oi opoies elhfqhsan einai se apolyth armonia me ayta ta opoia eishghqhke o k. Anwmeriths. Den ekane kapoia eishghsh h opoia aporrifqhke, oyte anaferqhke se qemata ta opoia antimetwpise me arnhtiko tropo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

MIXAHL: Na epimeinw, loipon, pio ejeidikeymena. O k. Anwmeriths proteine na yparjei apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy gia synolikh ryqmish twn xrewn twn agrotwn apaj dia pantos, toylaxiston s' ena megalo baqmo;

REPPAS: O k. Anwmeriths einai metajy ekeinwn poy eqijan ayto to qema, to problhma twn xrewn, poy exoyn sysswreytei ston agrotiko tomea. Eishghqhke kai dexthke to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio na yparjei mia poly sygkekrimenh antimetwpish toy problhmatos aytoy, gia na mhn pame kai pali se ryqmiseis oi opoies telikws den lynoyn to problhma, apo thn allh de dhmioyrgoyn kai problhmata sth sxesh mas me thn E. E.. Shmeiwnw oti oles aytes oi ryqmiseis prepei na enarmonizontai me to koinotiko kekthmeno.

ARGYROS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti yparxoyn kapoioi poy qeloyn na dhmioyrghsoyn xaos sth xwra. Mporeite na tis prosdiorisete;

REPPAS: Gi' aytoys miloyme tosh wra. Gia aytoys oi opoioi epidiwkoyn m' ayton ton tropo, me to kleisimo ths Eqnikhs Odoy na kocoyn thn kykloforia kai na dhmioyrghsoyn mia katastash anwmalias, blaptontas th xwra kai to synolo twn sympolitwn mas.

ALEJAKH: Ayth thn epoxh meletatai apo thn kybernhsh to qema twn asfalistikwn tameiwn. Shmera h "AQHNAIKH" fernei mia ekqesh toy OOSA sth dhmosiothta, h opoia dinei kapoies kateyqynseis poy prepei na thrhqoyn apo th xwra mas gia thn asfalish kai to asfalistiko systhma. Milaei gia ayjhsh twn oriwn syntajewn, gia ayjhsh twn eisforwn k. a. Oi skeceis ths kybernhshs kinoyn pros ayth thn kateyqynsh; Pros thn kateyqynsh, dhladh, poy dinei o OOSA kai oi alloi Oikoymenikoi Organismoi; Giati kati tetoio moy qymizei kai tis protaseis toy k. Spraoy, sto parelqon.

REPPAS: H skech ths kybernhshs exei ginei prajh ths kybernhshs. Kai prajh ths kybernhshs einai to apotelesma toy koinwnikoy dialogoy poy metajy twn allwn antimetwpise kai ta asfalistika zhthmata. Gia tis allages sthn asfalistikh nomoqesia exei milhsei h kybernhsh me leptomereies. Ayth thn periodo to qema ayto apasxolei asfalws thn kybernhsh. Emeis qa prepei na proxwrhsoyme se oles ekeines tis allages, oi opoies kai se alles xwres ths E. E. exoyn ginei, prokeimenoy h agora mas na einai eyelikth kai antagwnistikh, xwris na qigontai ta basika dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn. Ta asfalistika dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn diasfalizontai me tis nees aytes ryqmiseis.

ALEJAKH: Epeidh me thn ekqesh toy OOSA dinetai mia kateyqynsh pros thn idiwtikh asfalish, synagw to symperasma oti h idiwtikh asfalish qa mporoyse na einai kai mia lysh sto problhma poy yparxei shmera me ta yperxrewmena tameia kai ta problhmata poy exoyn. H kybernhsh skeftetai kati tetoio;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei apodyqei se mia poly megalh prospaqeia na enisxysei ta asfalistika tameia. Gnwrizete oti sto plaisio twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn sto asfalistiko systhma, proxwroyme kai sthn enopoihsh tameiwn prokeimenoy ayta na katastoyn isxyra. Kai malista proikodotoyme, dinoyme xrhmata sta asfalistika tameia gia na mporesoyn na antapokriqoyn stis ypoxrewseis toys. Ara, h epilogh mas einai na exoyme biwsima, isxyra asfalistika tameia ta opoia qa mporoyn na kalycoyn toys asfalismenoys ergazomenoys se diaforoys kladoys. Apo kei kai pera einai qema epiloghs toy kaqe polith to na akoloyqhsei kai thn odo ths idiwtikhs asfalishs. Den einai ayto h kybernhtikh politikh, pantws.

ALEJAKH: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema toy Ampntoylax Otsalan. Qelw na epanelqw me aformh ta kyriakatika dhmosieymata. Diabasa tis dhlwseis sas, an prokeitai na mas peite "oti ekana dhlwseis". Den qelw na rwthsw an einai shmera edw sthn Ellada, giati den qa moy apanthsete. Alla, qelw na sas rwthsw telika ti egine; Hrqe telika o Otsalan sthn Ellada dyo fores, opws dhmosieyse prwth h "AQHNAIKH" kai anadhmosieysan ola ta kyriakatika fylla, h oxi;

REPPAS: Jerete tis apanthseis poy edwsa kai egw jerw thn erwthsh poy kanate, giati thn exw janakoysei. Sthn erwthsh ayth, loipon, exw dwsei apanthsh kat' epanalhch kai menw s' aytes tis apanthseis. Den yparxei otidhpote allo, den yparxei kati kainoyrgio se sxesh me ayto poy yphrxe thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh poy syzhthsame, prokeimenoy na mas apasxolhsei kai poy mas kaleite na to sxoliasoyme. Gia ola ayta ta qemata exoyme syzhthsei ektenestata.

ALEJAKH: Swsto, alla se oles tis erwthseis poy kaname kai tis dyo fores poy dhmioyrghqhke to qema me ton Otsalan, panta legate oti den hrqe. Epimenete oti den hrqe o Otsalan, telika;

REPPAS: Afoy paramenw stis apanthseis poy exw dwseis; Den einai aytonohth h apanthsh ayth; Den eprepe na thn perimenete;

SOYRMELH: Xqes to "BHMA" dhmosieyse dyo pragmata: To ena einai mia protash toy Otsalan na parembei h Ellada klp kai na ginei mia syndiaskech gia to Koyrdiko me th symmetoxh ths E. E., twn HPA, ths Rwsias, ths Kinas klp. To deytero qema, gia na ejeidikeysw thn erwthsh ths kas Alejakh, qelw na maqw ean o k. Otsalan htan sthn Ellada to diasthma poy o Prwqypoyrgos kai o k. Tsoxatzopoylos htan sth Biennh. Dhladh 29 me 31 Ianoyarioy, ena dihmero apo aytes tis meres leei to "BHMA" oti htan o Otsalan sth Glyfada. To epibebaiwnete h to diaceydete; Gia to prwto meros ths erwthshs eixate pei oti h Ellada qelei mia syndiaskech gia to Koyrdiko. Meta apo thn prosklhsh ayth Isxyei oti h Ellada energei gia mia tetoia syndiaskech;

REPPAS: Ena sxolio qa kanw mono, giati exw apanthsei sta qemata poy qesate. To sxolio einai to ejhs: Eipame oti h Ellada kat' epanalhch exei prwtagwnisthsei stis prospaqeies gia thn anagnwrish twn dikaiwmatwn twn Koyrdwn. Ta dikaiwmata toy Koyrdikoy laoy den einai eswteriko qema ths Toyrkias kai den einai shmeio twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Einai dieqnes zhthma. Ara, loipon, den anamename thn prosklhsh apo opoiondhpote, kai apo toys idioys toys amesa qigomenoys kai endiaferomenoys, na mas kalesei na qesoyme ayto to qema gia na to qesoyme. To exoyme qesei. Alla to qema ayto to qetoyme epeidh afora ena agaqo, opws einai o sebasmos twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, kai den to qetoyme meta apo paraklhsh, meta apo piesh, meta apo ypodeijh. Einai ena stoixeio ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths xwras mas kai opws kat' epanalhch exw pei kanoyme ejwterikh politikh arxwn. Sto plaisio, loipon, ayths ths ejwterikhs politikhs exoyme qesei ayto to qema. Qa synexisoyme na to qetoyme, oxi epeidh to zhtoyn kapoioi, alla epeidh einai ena pragmatiko problhma to opoio h Dieqnhs Koinothta prepei na to dei katamata kai na to lysei. Ayto einai to qema poy qetei h Ellada edw kai para poly kairo.

SOYRMELH: Gia th Glyfada; Nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Den sas kalycan oi apanthseis poy edwsa prin;

SOYRMELH: Hrqe sthn Glyfada, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: An apanthsw se sas "den htan sthn Glyfada", mporei na me rwthsei kapoios allos an htan sta Toyrkoboynia! Qa pw "den htan sta Toyrkoboynia" kai qa me rwthsei kapoios, an htan ston Perisso, stis Koykoybaoynes h alloy! Mhn mpoyme s' ayto to paixnidi. Exw dwsei apanthseis gi' ayta ta qemata kai na meinoyme s' aytes.

KARGOYDH: Kata th synanthsh Tsoxatzopoyloy me ton Kyprio omologo toy qa oristikopoihqei h symfwnia metajy Ellados-Kyproy gia toys S-300 poy perilambanei kai thn egkatastash twn pyraylwn sthn Krhth.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h epilogh mas. Exoyme apofasisei thn egkatastash twn S-300 sthn Krhth. Kleinei aytos o kyklos twn syzhthsewn me thn epafh twn Ypoyrgwn Amynas twn dyo xwrwn. H kypriakh antiproswpeia, ej oswn gnwrizoyme, qa metabei sth synexeia sth Rwsia, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwsei tis syzhthseis me th rwsikh pleyra gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Meta thn oloklhrwsh aytwn twn syzhthsewn pisteyoyme oti pleon qa exoyn antimetwpistei kai oi texnikes leptomereies, wste na proxwrhsoyme se efarmogh ayths ths politikhs epiloghs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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