Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-01-28

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 28 Ianoyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes to brady synanthqhke o Ypoyrgos Paideias me ton Prwqypoyrgo sth Boylh. Kai fysika qa syzhthsan gia ta qemata ths Paideias kai tis katalhceis. Ti apofasisan, prokeitai na kanei kapoies nees protaseis; Prokeitai na yparjei kapoia kainoyrgia apofash ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H syzhthsh egine gia na enhmerwqei o Prwqypoyrgos apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo gia ta qemata ths armodiothtas toy. Den prokyptei tipota kainoyrgio. H kybernhsh exei labei tis apofaseis tis kai me aytes askei thn politikh ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos xqes sthn Eqnikh Trapeza, opoy phge, otan rwthqhke eipe "ayrio, meqayrio teleiwnei". Ti exei ypoch toy kai to leei ayto;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos pisteyei oti h prosklhsh dialogoy poy exei apeyqynei o Ypoyrgos Paideias, qa tyxei qetikhs apanthshs apo thn pleyra twn ekpaideytikwn kai o dialogos aytos ajiopoioymenos qa dwsei lysh sto problhma sto xwro ths Paideias. Sto shmeio ayto eimaste twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, kalese o Ypoyrgos Paideias se dialogo, exei kapoies qeseis, protaseis ektos apo aytes poy exei kanei gia na kanei dialogo; Giati den ta brhkan, syzhtoysan kapoy 15 wres synolo kai den ta brhkan. Gi` ayto lew, ti kainoyrgio exei prokycei kai einai toso aisiodojos o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: O Ypoyrgos Paideias timhse th diadikasia toy dialogoy. Proxwrhse se enallaktikes protaseis kai kalese toys ekpaideytikoys na antapokriqoyn qetika. Oi ekpaideytikoi paremeinan sth qesh me thn opoia proshlqan sto dialogo. Ayto shmainei oti adiaforhsan gia thn prospaqeia poy ekane to Ypoyrgeio Paideias, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei lysh. Pisteyoyme oti h stash toys ayth den qa parameinei mexri teloys h idia. Qa proselqoyn sto dialogo poy toys exei kalesei o Ypoyrgos Paideias kai qa proboyn se paragwgikes kai epoikodomhtikes protaseis, gia na symbaloyn kai apo th dikh toys pleyra sthn ejeyresh lyshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H dikh sas stash qa parameinei h idia, giati den ekane protaseis mono o Ypoyrgos. Ekanan kai oi kaqhghtes protaseis.

REPPAS: Oi protaseis poy ekane o Ypoyrgos Paideias aggijan ta basika qemata poy apasxoloyn ayth thn wra toys ekpaideytikoys kai toys maqhtes. Epi twn qematwn aytwn oi kaqhghtes paremeinan ametakinhtoi. H monh protash thn opoia ekanan oi kaqhghtes, htan ayth poy eixan kanei kai prin arxisei o dialogos kai sthn opoia paramenoyn ametakinhtoi. Ayth h adiallajia toys, pisteyoyme oti einai kakos symboylos sthn prospaqeia poy isxyrizontai oti kataballoyn kai ekeinoi, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei lysh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono me to dialogo qa synexistei h epafh me thn ekpaideytikh koinothta h qa xrhsimopoihqoyn kai alla mesa;

REPPAS: Exw pei kat` epanalhch oti eimaste yper ths synennohshs kai ths synqeshs twn apocewn. Den mas ekfrazei, giati einai ejw apo th nootropia kai tis epiloges mas, h sygkroysh kai h antiparaqesh. Ayto akribws exei apodeixqei mexri twra. Kaloyme kai toys alloys na kinhqoyn sto idio "motibo". Me thn eykairia, omws, tis erwthshs sas qa moy epitrecete na pw oti o tropos me ton opoio paroysiazontai kapoia qemata, den antapokrinetai oyte sta osa eipame, oyte stis epiloges mas. Giati blepw shmera p. x., k. Stamatopoyle, sthn efhmerida sthn opoia ergazeste, na anaferontai oi titloi "me cyxrothta oloklhrwtikoy kaqestwtos qa katebasoyn ta MAT kata twn paidiwn", thn wra poy lete oti den kanei tipota h Kybernhsh gia na anoijoyn oi dromoi. Kai se eswterikh selida lete, "ta MAT stelnei kata twn maqhtikwn mplokwn o D. Reppas". Megalh h xarh moy! Ola ayta antilambanomai oti ejyphretoyn ypo mia ennoia tis anagkes ths enhmerwshs, omws, ypo mia allh ennoia skefqeite oti mporei na exoyn mia arnhtikh epidrash sthn prospaqeia poy ginetai na ejeyreqei lysh. Lysh thn opoia nomizw oti epiqymoyme oloi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws qymaste ti eipate xqes edw, oti qa xrhsimopoihqoyn mesa gia na anoijoyn oi dromoi;

REPPAS: Oxi xqes. Polles fores sto parelqon exw pei oti prepei, me nomimes kai dhmokratikes diadikasies, na proballontai oi apoceis kai na lynontai ta problhmata. Kai qa prepei aytes tis syntagmatikes kai nomimes diadikasies na tis sebomaste oloi anejairetws.

MIXAHL: Kat` arxhn, eipate kyrie Ypoyrge, oti pisteyete pws den qa meinei mexri to telos idia h stash twn kaqhghtwn. Prwton, poy to basizete ayto; Ti stoixeia exete gia na to lete;

REPPAS: Qewroyme oti exoyn apoqema eyqynhs kai qa antapokriqoyn s` ayth thn prosklhsh kai proklhsh.

MIXAHL: H stash ths kybernhshs qa parameinei h idia; Einai, dhladh, mexri edw h ypoxwrhsh poy eixe na kanei h kybernhsh; Einai dhladh, to teleytaio shmeio ypoxwrhshs ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Mhn perimenete apo emena na mpw se enan tetoio dialogo, o opoios qa ypokatasthsei to dialogo poy prepei na kanei o Ypoyrgos Paideias me toys ekproswpoys twn forewn ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas.

MOYRTZHS: Xqes, o k. Ebert, ekane mia dhlwsh, sthn opoia anaferei oti o k. Arsenhs ekane shmantikes ypoxwrhseis apo lanqasmenes epiloges toy, alla kalei thn OLME kai toys maqhtes na epistrecoyn sta sxoleia. Pws th sxoliazete;

REPPAS: O k. Ebert ekfrazei tis apoceis toy. H kybernhsh exei dhlwsei th qesh ths, oti prepei ta sxoleia na anoijoyn amesws kai na leitoyrghsoyn omala. H epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos dhlwsh toy k. Ebert, fanerwnei mia ypeyqynh stash enos politikoy, o opoios exei kai empeiria kai diaqesh na leei syxnotata apoceis epi twn diaforwn qematwn poy apasxoloyn th xwra, bgainontas apo to plaisio ths kommatikhs grammhs, opws synhqizoyme na leme se aytes tis periptwseis. Ayto nomizw einai kati, to opoio prepei na kanoyn oi politikoi, me gnwmona to symferon ths koinwnias, poy einai kai symferon toys.

MIXAHL: Htan to idio ypeyqynh h stash toy k. Ebert otan zhthse sth diadikasia ths Boylhs, na ginei syzhthsh gia toys S-300 kai o k. Pagkalos toy apanthse oti den katalabainei to aithma toy, oti einai dysnohto kai metajy toys allhlobristhkan; Tote den htan ypeyqynh h stash toy k. Ebert;

REPPAS: O k. Ebert kai se ayth thn periptwsh ekfrazei mia qesh, thn opoia den exei ekfrasei to komma toy. Einai dikaiwma toy na ekfrazei aytes tis apoceis. Emeis exoyme paroysiasei tis qeseis mas gia to sygkekrimeno qema me analytiko tropo. Einai gnwstes oi qeseis aytes. Prosfata, allwste, h Boylh syzhthse to sygkekrimeno qema me aformh erwthsh boyleyth ths N. D -kai malista toy Koinoboyleytikoy Ekproswpoy ths N. D. - kai doqhkan apanthseis. Allo qema den tiqetai ayth thn wra.

MIXAHL: Epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti o k. Klinton prokeitai na erqei sthn Ellada ton Oktwbrio;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti kata th diarkeia ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy K. Shmith stis HPA to 1996 -kata to diasthma metajy ths anadeijhs toy sthn Proedria kai toy Synedrioy toy PASOK- proskalese ton Amerikano Proedro na episkefqei thn Ellada se eyqeto xrono. H episkech ayth qa ginei. Akomh, omws, den exei programmatistei kai den exei apofasistei o sygkekrimenos xronos ths episkechs. Me thn eykairia ayth prepei na pw oti, bebaiws, h Ellada dexetai me xara toys jenoys hgetes -kai ton Proedro ths megalhs xwras, twn HPA- alla, oi episkeceis aytes qa prepei na ginontai sthn Ellada kai na mhn apoteloyn symplhrwma h parakoloyqhma episkechs sthn Toyrkia. Epiqymoyme oi episkeceis jenwn hgetwn sthn Ellada, na diakrinontai gia thn aytonomia toys, opws einai ayqyparkth kai aytonomh h paroysia kai h dieqnhs ontothta ths xwras mas.

MIXAHL: Ws ti qa erqei o k. Klinton sthn Ellada; Ws Proedros twn HPA h ws idiwths;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti otan qa erqei, qa erqei ws Proedros twn HPA. Kai elpizoyme kai ws idiwths na epilejei na kanei tis diakopes toy sthn Ellada h na episkeptetai kai th xwra mas, h opoia einai filojenh kai prosferei polles xares kai apolayseis se aytoys poy thn episkeptontai, giati einai enas paradeisenios topos.

KIAOS: O k. Klinton proseklhqh, eipate, na erqei sthn Ellada. An den erqei apeyqeias sthn Ellada kai kanei periodeia kai se alles xwres apo dipla, den mporei na erqei sthn Ellada tote, den ton dexeste;

REPPAS: Eipa, oti h episkech ayth qa ginei meta apo synennohsh twn dyo kybernhsewn. Mesw ayths ths synennohshs qa oristei kai o xronos ths episkechs.

KIAOS: Oxi, epeidh tonisate oti qa prepei na erqei kateyqeian sthn Ellada....

REPPAS: Den qa syzhthsoyme twra gia to pws qa oloklhrwqei h synennohsh, poy brisketai se ejelijh metajy twn dyo xwrwn, gia thn episkech toy Amerikanoy Proedroy.

KIAOS: Epeidh to eipate.

REPPAS: Afoy to eipa, giati epanerxeste; To eipa. Qelete na to janapw; Ti qelete na pw;

KIAOS: Gia na to empedwsw, rwtw.

REPPAS: Eidate, loipon; Peite oti einai aytos o logos, na bohqhsw ki egw.

ZHKIDHS: Symfwna me dhmosieymata, dytikoi stratiwtikoi paragontes, pisteyoyn oti h agora twn S-300 exei akyrwqei kai oti oi oles diaboyleyseis gia th metafora toys sth Krhth htan ena "qeatro". Poia einai h gnwmh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gi ayto;

REPPAS: Einai pantelws analhqeis kai abasimoi aytoi oi isxyrismoi. Oi plhrofories den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Einai se ejelijh h diadikasia synennohshs ths kypriakhs kybernhshs me th Rwsia, gia na allajoyn oi oroi toy arxikoy symbolaioy, prokeimenoy na efarmostei h epilogh, sthn opoia exoyme katalhjei.

KIAOS: Oi S-300 qa pane sthn Krhth h oxi;

REPPAS: H epilogh poy exoyme kanei einai ayth. Kai, bebaiws, qa prepei na prokycei h symfwnia kai me th rwsikh pleyra, prokeimenoy kai epishmws na teqoyn oi ypografes kai na miloyme gi ayto to opoio, hdh, apotelei apofash kai politikh epilogh mas: Na topoqethqoyn sth Krhth.

KIAOS: Dhladh, ejartatai apo toys Rwsoys;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti gia typikoys logoys qa prepei na anamenete thn ypografh toy symbolaioy me toys neoys oroys, metajy ths kypriakhs kybernhshs kai ths Rwsias. Kati to opoio akomh den exei ginei. S` ayto to stadio eimaste twra.

KIAOS: Pote to anamenete;

REPPAS: Einai qema to opoio ejelissetai ayth thn periodo poy ginontai oi sxetikes synennohseis.

KIAOS: Ews;

REPPAS: Den mporw na milhsw gia to xrono ston opoio qa katalhjei ayth h synennohsh.

KIAOS: Ma, qa egkatastaqoyn se ellhniko edafos.

REPPAS: Qa prepei, k. Kiao, h synennohsh ayth na ginei metajy twn dyo pleyrwn poy exoyn kanei thn arxikh symbash. H Ellada exei dhlwsei th qesh ths, oti dexetai sto edafos ths toys pyrayloys aytoys. Kai epanalambanei ayth th qesh ths. Apo kei kai pera ayto qa tyxei efarmoghs apo thn wra poy ypografei to neo symbolaio. Ayto lew.

SOYRMELH: S` ayto to symbolaio h Ellada den qa ypogracei;

REPPAS: S` ayto to symbolaio ths paraggelias ypografei h kypriakh kybernhsh kai h rwsikh pleyra.

KIAOS: Emeis, aplws ta apoqhkeyoyme;

REPPAS: Apo th stigmh poy katexei ta opla ayta h Kypros, einai qema Elladas kai Kyproy na synennohqoyn gia thn egkatastash twn rwsikwn systhmatwn.

GKOGKAS: Exei h kypriakh kybernhsh zhthsei apo thn ellhnikh na plhrwsei toys rwsikoys pyrayloys;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ta opoia syzhthqhkan kai kata thn prosfath episkech kypriakhs antiproswpeias sthn Ellada, me ekproswpoys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, aforoyn tis leptomereies gia thn promhqeia kai thn egkatastash twn pyraylwn S-300. Sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs anaptyxqhkan diafores apoceis. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti oi dyo pleyres symfwnoyn pws h epilogh, sthn opoia exoyme katalhjei, qa prepei na tyxei efarmoghs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na moy kanete ena sxolio ws proistamenos ypoyrgos, pws xarakthrizete th xqesinh stash toy Proedroy ths ERT k. Panagiwtoy, enanti twn syndikalistwn ths POESY kai ths ESHEA.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den einai dynaton, epeidh epopteyw ena megalo Organismo, na ypokatasthsw th dioikhsh toy. Exw zhthsei plhrofories. Na anamenete thn apanthsh, giati bebaiws, exw plhroforhqei thn anakoinwsh twn ekproswpwn sas. Prepei na sas pw, omws, oti exw plhrofories kai gia mia symperifora h opoia einai diaforetikh, toso oson afora ton Proedro ths ERT, alla kai oson afora ekproswpoys ths ESHEA kai ths POESY. Ayta ta qemata qa prepei na antimetwpistoyn me kalh diaqesh kai synennohsh. Egw den prokeitai na ypokatasthsw th dioikhsh. Qa prepei na ginontai sebastes oi apofaseis ths dioikhshs, efoson einai nomimes. Kai parakalw na apofeygontai aytes oi yperbolikes kritikes, oi opoies einai akaires, peri dhqen fakelwmatos kai parakoloyqhshs twn dhmosiografwn, toys opoioys dhqen qewrei exqroys h kybernhsh, apo th dioikhsh ths ERT, epeidh h ERT qelei na egkatasthsei ena systhma, prokeimenoy na elegjei kai di` aytoy toy tropoy thn proseleysh olwn twn ypallhlwn ths kai twn dhmosiografwn. An einai, dhladh, synepeis sthn thrhsh toy wrarioy gia to opoio ameibontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qewreite nomimh, dhladh, eseis ayth thn apofash;

REPPAS: Tipota den lew oti einai paranomo. Apo ekei kai pera, einai epilogh ths dioikhshs kai parakalw na apofeygete aytes tis akraies antidraseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis milhsate gia elegxo.

REPPAS: Ayto to leei kai pali to arqro ths efhmeridas poy ergazeste, sto opoio anaferetai oti h kybernhsh epixeirei hlektroniko fakelwma twn dhmosiografwn. Bgeite ston ellhniko lao na peite oti fakelwnontai oi dhmosiografoi, di` aytoy toy tropoy, otan oi dhmosiografoi, epeidh akribws exoyn ypogracei sygkekrimenes symbaseis, qa prepei na throyn kai toys oroys twn symbasewn poy exoyn ypogracei. Na ergazontai sygkekrimenes wres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei symbash poy exei ypografei, h opoia den problepei gia kanenan dhmosiografo eidika, na yparxei ayth h karta poy qelei na balei, ayto to fakelwma poy leme emeis kai den lete eseis oxi.

REPPAS: "Xairomai", giati epimenete oti prokeitai peri fakelwmatos. Kai "xairomai", giati ayto ekqetei opoioys isxyrizontai kati tetoio, doqentos oti o ellhnikos laos antilambanetai pws kapoioi epiqymoyn na synexisoyn na mhn ergazontai, dhladh, na mhn antapokrinontai stis ypoxrewseis poy exoyn analabei, enanti toy symbolaioy poy exoyn ypogracei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytoys toys kapoioys, giati den bgainete na toys kataggeilete epwnyma; Na peite oti o tade kai o tade den ergazetai. Giati den bgainete na to peite;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta exoyn apasxolhsei th dioikhsh ths ERT kai th dioikhsh ths ESHEA.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rixnete lasph twra.

REPPAS: Kanete megalo laqos. Otan eseis grafete oti h kybernhsh fakelwnei dhmosiografoys, ti kanete; Sykofanteite, den rixnete aplws lasph. Giati den exete tipota poy na apodeiknyei kati tetoio. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete oti to qema poy qesate exei syzhthqei metajy twn dioikhsewn ths ERT kai ths ESHEA. Prepei na breqei lysh kai h lysh einai, h men ERT na einai synephs stis ypoxrewseis ths apenanti stoys ergazomenoys s` aythn, oi de ergazomenoi s` aythn, metajy twn opoiwn kai oi dhmosiografoi, na einai to idio synepeis stis ypoxrewseis toys.

KIAOS: An moy epitrepete na sas pw kati, epeidh gia prwth fora, osa xronia erxomai edw pera, Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai Ypoyrgos Typoy Proistamenos probainei me tosh eykolia, qa moy epitrecete, se orismenes apoceis, se orismenes dhlwseis, oi opoies einai atekmhriwtes. Lypamai, sas to lew, epeidh erxomai tosa xronia kai pote kaneis synadelfos sas den eipe oti yparxoyn anqrwpoi oi opoioi den einai entajei sth doyleia toys, oti einai to alfa kai to bhta. Kai ayto poy eipate einai kai atekmhriwto kai einai mia momfh enantion dhmosiografwn. Tipota perissotero. Den hqela na sas rwthsw gi` ayta, alla epeidh rwthse o synadelfos kai dwsate eseis ayth thn apanthsh, eimai ypoxrewmenos na sas pw oti ayta poy eipate den stekoyn..

REPPAS: Sth dikh sas lyph, egw apantw ekfrazontas kai pali th dikh moy xara, giati fainetai oti ki eseis symfwneite pws qa prepei oi dhmosiografoi poy ergazontai sto Dhmosio kai sthn ERT na antapokrinontai stis ypoxrewseis toys. Na throyn to wrario gia to opoio exoyn desmeyqei kai na ergazontai, paragontas to ergo to opoio anamenei apo aytoys h epixeirhsh sthn opoia ergazontai. Ayth einai h istoria.

Sas eyxaristw.

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