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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Ianoyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Shmera dhmosieyetai sthn efhmerida "TA NEA" dhmoskophsh, h opoia deixnei megalh apostash toy PASOK apo th Nea Dhmokratia, poy yperbainei tis 10 monades kai ptwsh ths dhmotikothtas toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

REPPAS: Exoyme kanei, kat` epanalhch, sxolia, milwntas gia tis dhmoskophseis h tis metrhseis ths koinhs gnwmhs. Exw dhlwsei kai epanalambanw: Emeis afhnoyme se alloys na gohteyontai h na ikanopoioyntai apo ton efhmero kosmo twn dhmoskophsewn. Emeis exoyme epilejei to pedio toy diarkoys kai isxyroy logoy twn politwn, poy einai o logos twn politwn stis ekloges. Pisteyoyme oti to ergo ths kybernhshs, otan oloklhrwqei h qhteia ths kai kriqei apo ton ellhniko lao, qa apodeixqei oti exei thn egkrish toy. O laos me thn chfo toy qa ananewsei thn empistosynh toy pros thn kybernhsh toy PASOK. Ola ta alla den einai para oi diakymanseis poy xarakthrizoyn th dhmosia zwh ths xwras, opws kai alloys tomeis, sto plaisio twn metrhsewn poy dienergoyntai se takta xronika diasthmata. Apoteloyn xrhsima ergaleia. Oydeis ypotima th shmasia toys. Den qa prepei, omws, na anaxqoyn se apolyto kai kaqoristiko krithrio gia tis politikes ejelijeis. Qa prepei ta panta na ta antimetwpizoyme sth swsth diastash toys. To idio prepei na kanoyme kai me th sygkekrimenh metrhsh.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ennoeite, dhladh, oti ta metra poy exei labei h kybernhsh, thn teleytaia periodo, kai h politikh poy askei exoyn meiwsei th dhmotikothta ths kai thn exoyn ferei se dysxerh qesh;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den brisketai se dysxerh qesh, gi` ayto atenizei me aisiodojia to mellon. Allwste, milhsa prin, gia thn prosdokia mas na tyxoyme ths empistosynhs toy ellhnikoy laoy kai pali stis epomenes ekloges. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h askhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, oi apofaseis, oi energeies ths kybernhshs, den ginontai se keno istorikhs syneidhshs. Gnwrizoyme, me bash sygkekrimeno politiko sxediasmo poy exoyme kanei, poia prepei na einai h ierarxhsh twn qematwn poy qa mas apasxolhsoyn. Poios prepei na einai o tropos, h meqodos poy qa akoloyqhsoyme, prokeimenoy na efarmosoyme thn politikh mas. Ola ayta exoyn synektimhqei kai gi` ayto akribws -epanalambanw- prosblepoyme me aisiodojia sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy, to 2000, otan erqei h wra twn eqnikwn eklogwn.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: Epeidh eipate oti h kybernhsh den brisketai se dysxerh qesh, gi` ayto kai atenizei me aisiodojia to mellon, apokleiete na brisketai kapoios se dysxerh qesh kai na atenizei me aisiodojia to mellon;

REPPAS: Den apokleietai, alla ayto den exei sxesh me th sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Egw milhsa gia thn kybernhsh, den milhsa genikws.

BITALHS: Den sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti to pososto ajiopistias ths Kybernhshs poy katagrafei h dhmoskophsh einai arketa xamhlo ki an sas problhmatizei to qema kai an me bash aytes tis epishmanseis ths dhmoskophshs, skepteste na janadeite thn politikh poy akoloyqeite se kapoioys tomeis;

REPPAS: Milhsa prin gia thn ajia twn metrhsewn kai twn dhmoskophsewn. Eipa oti einai xrhsima ergaleia. Den prepei na ypotimatai to mhnyma to opoio periexoyn. Apo thn allh, den prepei na xrhsimopoioyntai ws to apolyto kai kaqoristiko krithrio gia thn poreia twn politikwn qematwn sth xwra mas. Ayto shmainei oti h politikh, ek twn pragmatwn, analambanei ena kostos. H politikh kai monon h politikh. Giati einai h leitoyrgia, sto plaisio mias koinwnias, poy prepei na antimetwpisei ta problhmata kai na orioqethsei metwpa. Logiko einai, loipon, na eisprattei kai to kostos apo thn opoia epilogh, doqentos oti kaqe epilogh den einai dynaton na toys briskei oloys symfwnoys. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai sthn prajh, se pragmatikes synqhkes kai oxi se synqhkes ergasthrioy -opws exw pei kai sto parelqon- na ektimhqei to kybernhtiko ergo. Emeis pisteyoyme oti dikaiologeitai mia ikanopoihsh gia to ergo poy exoyme epitelesei, opws epishs einai dikaiologhmenh -kai thn ekfrazoyme- kai h anhsyxia mas gia to oti akomh yparxoyn problhmata, ta opoia prepei na antimetwpisoyme, wste thn wra twn eklogwn na kriqoyme, exontas th dynatothta na paroysiasoyme ena plhres ergo, se sygkrish me ayto poy ews shmera exoyme epityxei. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Den prepei na mas problhmatizei to gegonos oti h politikh brisketai sto stoxastro pollwn forewn, oi opoioi askoyn drimytath kritikh, syxnotata me tropo adiko kai yperboliko, enantion ths politikhs kai twn politikwn paragontwn; Apo thn allh, omws, ayto einai ena antikeimeniko gegonos, giati h politikh krinetai sthn kaqhmerinh prajh. Kaqenas mporei na katamartyrhsei laqh sthn politikh. Antilambaneste, loipon, pws h politikh poy brisketai sto "mati toy kyklwna", logiko einai na eisprattei ayto to kostos.

ALEJAKH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws oti h kybernhsh exei ton tropo kai th meqodo kai gnwrizei thn ierarxia gia na antimetwpisei ta diafora problhmata. Epikaloymai ayth th dhlwsh sas gia na sas rwthsw, ti akribws egine me thn katastash sthn Paideia; Yphrje tropos kai meqodos gia na perasoyn, sxedon, treis mhnes kai na ftasoyme sto shmerino xaos; Sas rwtw mono gia to qema ths Paideias, giati qa mporoysa na epektaqw kai se alla.

REPPAS: Emeis qeloyme to 2000, otan qa kriqoyme apo ton ellhniko lao, na exoyme oloklhrwsei to ergo, to opoio ejaggeilame to 1996, otan kerdisame tis ekloges. Thn periodo, h opoia mesolabei apo tote ews tis ekloges toy 2000, logiko einai, kaqws einai se ejelijh to kybernhtiko ergo, o ellhnikos laos na thn antimetwpizei kai me amfibolies kai me erwthmatika kai me enstaseis kai me antirrhseis, dioti akomh den exei th dynatothta na krinei to kybernhtiko ergo sthn olothta toy. Th dynatothta ayth qa thn exei thn wra twn eqnikwn eklogwn, to 2000 kai tote h krish toy qa einai -pisteyoyme- qetikh gia thn kybernhsh. Giati, tote pleon, o kaqenas epilegei kai topoqeteitai, desmeyontas ton eayton toy kai thn poreia ths xwras gia tessera xronia. Den exei thn anesh, thn polyteleia poy toy parexetai, sto plaisio twn dhmoskophsewn, na ekfrazei mia gnwmh, thn opoia mporei na metabalei thn epomenh stigmh, xwris na desmeyei kanenan, oyte kan ton eayton toy. Ara, loipon, tote poy den yparxoyn anapofasistoi, poy den yparxoyn aytoi oi opoioi qa apanthsoyn "den jerw", yparxoyn monon polites oi opoioi epilegoyn to komma poy qa kybernhsei ton topo, pisteyoyme oti qa epilegei kai pali to PASOK.

Oson afora thn Paideia, gnwrizete poly kala, oti o nomos aytos exei chfistei edw kai perissotero apo ena xrono kai kanena komma apo thn Antipoliteysh, peran ths antirrhshs poy ejefrase sth Boylh, den dhmioyrghse ena kinhma enantion ths efarmoghs aytoy toy nomoy. Otan ekdhlwqhkan sto xwro ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas oi antidraseis, ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs anakalycan mia shmaia eykairias thn opoia ycwsan monon kai monon gia na antipoliteyqoyn thn kybernhsh, me apotelesma, logw ths aneyqynhs ayths stashs toys, na odhghqoyme se ayth thn krish. Exw th gnwmh oti h shmerinh synanthsh, meta th shmantikh prwtoboylia poy anelabe o Ypoyrgos Paideias, mporei na apotelesei thn afethria gia ejelijeis oi opoies qa odhghsoyn se omalopoihsh ths katastashs. To eyxomaste kai pisteyw oti ayto einai kati poy mporei na ginei.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Den einai kako na pisteyete oti pisteyete. Qelw omws na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Aytes oi diafores poy katagrafontai sth dhmoskophsh se baros ths kybernhshs, pisteyete oti mporoyn na antistrafoyn; Mporei, dhladh, na anakamcei to kybernhtiko komma kai pws;

REPPAS: Me to na synexisei me synepeia to ergo toy, wste na paroysiasei thn wra twn genikwn eklogwn ta apotelesmata ayths ths prospaqeias. Otan, loipon, ta apotelesmata kriqoyn apo ton ellhniko lao, pisteyoyme oti qa kriqoyn qetika, giati qesame ej arxhs orismenoys stoxoys me bash mia sxesh ierarxhshs twn stoxwn. Epilejame na odhghsoyme thn Ellada sthn ONE, entajh thn opoia qewroyme ek twn wn oyk aney gia to mellon ayths ths xwras, gia thn prooptikh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. S' ayton ton kaqoristikhs shmasias stoxo, pisteyw oti qa exoyme epityxia. Xreiazetai akomh na dianysoyme mia shmantikh apostash, pisteyw omws oti eimaste se swsto dromo.

Oson afora alles tomes sto xwro twn qesmwn, sto xwro ths koinwnikhs politikhs, pisteyw oti kai ekei exoyme epitelesei shmantiko ergo. Otan oloklhrwqei ayto to ergo, o ellhnikos laos qa mas krinei kai pali apo thn alhqeia toy ergoy mas kai oxi apo to cema toy logoy twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs.

Gnwrizete poly kala oti mia kybernhsh, logiko einai kai adynamies na paroysiazei kai laqh na kanei sthn efarmogh ths politikhs ths Polles fores exoyme milhsei gia tis adynamies kai ta laqh mas. Mhn koitate poy sto xwro twn M. M. E. fer' eipein to fainomeno ayto einai spanio, gia na mhn pw oti oydepote symbainei ena hlektroniko h entypo M. M. E na anagnwrizei kapoio laqos toy, enw gnwrizete oti kai ekei ginontai laqh. H politikh, loipon, exei ayth thn idiaiterh qesh sth dhmosia zwh mias xwras. Krinetai. Kai krinetai aysthra. Pisteyw oti para tis adynamies kai ta laqh, o ellhnikos laos s' aythn thn kybernhsh qa pistwsei ena para poly shmantiko ergo poy isws -me dedomena ta xronika oria entos twn opoiwn to ergo ayto ejelixqhke kai anaptyxqhke- den exei prohgoymeno sth zwh toy topoy. Peri aytoy omiloyme kai ayto exei shmasia. Dhladh, to ti pisteyei o ellhnikos laos.

PAPAXRHSTOS: An katalaba kala, qewreite oti h entajh ths xwras sthn ONE einai ikanh apo monh ths na antistrecei to klima yper ths kybernhshs. Sas leei tipota to gegonos oti to 1981 h N. D. eixe balei th xwra sthn EOK kai eixe parei mono 36%;

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh h sygkrish ths tote katastashs me th shmerinh. H sygkrish poy epixeireite pisteyw oti einai atyxhs, giati h N. D. gia politikoys logoys prowqhse tote thn entajh ths xwras sthn EOK. Gnwrizete oti xreiasthke na analhfqoyn prwtoboylies apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK, prokeimenoy na diasfalistei mia allh, kalyterh, eynoikoterh gia thn Ellada qesh stis Eyrwpaikes Oikonomikes Koinothtes, xwris na ypotimw kaqoloy th shmasia ths entajhs ths Elladas sthn EOK, tote, ws mias ejelijhs poly qetikhs. Exoyme milhsei allwste gi' ayto.

Apo thn allh, se oloys toys alloys tomeis exoyme mia plhrh apotyxia ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Gnwrizete se poia ych kymainotan o plhqwrismos, poies koinwnikes anisothtes yphrxan, poia htan h katastash sthn opoia eixe perielqei h dhmosia zwh ths xwras.

Shmera mporoyme na milhsoyme gia epiteygmata se polloys tomeis:

-Na anaferqw sto xwro twn epitokiwn, ths qeamatikhs ptwshs twn epitokiwn;

-Na milhsw gia tis dynatothtes poy exei o epixeirhmatias, o poliths, o katanalwths na pairnei xrhmata gia na ependysei h na apokthsei agaqa, katoikia h alla antikeimena, plhrwnontas poly mikro epitokio;

Pisteyw oti ayth h qeamatikh allagh h opoia kanei thn Ellada na brisketai se mia sxesh isodynamh me aythn thn opoian exoyn epityxei oi alles xwres ths E. E., einai kati poy den mporei kaneis na to parablecei. Einai mia qeamatikh allagh.

Kai mporw na milhsw gia polla akomh:

-Na milhsw gia tis allages sto xwro twn qesmwn; Ayta den exoyn prohgoymeno. Kai lypoymai, gi' ayto einai atyxhs h sygkrish, an kapoioi emmesa epixeiroyn na sygkrinoyn thn kybernhsh ths N. D. ths periodoy mexri 1981, me thn kybernhsh toy PASOK, h opoia kyberna ton topo ayth thn periodo. Den exei kamia sxesh. Giati an sygkrinete tomea-tomea to ergo twn kybernhsewn, qa parathrhsete tis terasties diafores. Kineitai se teleiws diaforetikh kateyqynsh h kaqe kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Etsi nomizete.

REPPAS: Den to nomizoyme emeis. To pisteyei h Istoria.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prohgoymenws kathgorhsate ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs gia aneyqynh stash sto qema ths Paideias. Giati einai aneyqynh h stash twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs kai den einai ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Giati h kybernhsh eishghqhke ena nomo o opoios egkriqhke apo thn ellhnikh Boylh. Stis eynomoymenes xwres poy exoyn koinoboyleytiko politeyma prepei oloi na epidiwkoyn thn efarmogh toy nomoy. H antipoliteysh qewrhse oti prepei na enantiwqei sthn efarmogh toy nomoy, xwris na mpei ston kopo, na diatypwsei mia enallaktikh qesh. Oydemia protash epi ths oysias ths ekpaideytikhs politikhs poy prepei na askhqei ston topo diatypwqhke apo th N. D. h ta alla kommata. Genikologes, aoristes anafores oi opoies apodeiknyoyn kai gymnia qesewn, alla kai aneyqynothta. H gymnia qesewn afora to oti gia ena shmantiko qema den exei programmatikh protash. H aneyqynothta sxetizetai me to oti, enw mia koinwnia brisketai se krish, logw akribws twn ejelijewn sto xwro ths Paideias, h dikh toys stash eynoei thn ojynsh ths krishs kai den symballei sthn ektonwsh ths, opws ayto apaitei to symferon twn maqhtwn, to symferon twn ekpaideytikwn, to symferon ths ellhnikhs koinwnias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai to symferon ths kybernhshs, to jexasate.

REPPAS: To symferon ths kybernhshs einai taytoshmo me to symferon ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, giati mia kybernhsh h opoia den yphretei ta symferonta ths koinwnias, prepei na gnwrizei oti den exei kamia tyxh na kriqei qetika apo to lao. Egw qelw na pisteyw oti kaqe kybernhsh exei thn proqesh na bohqhsei th xwra kai to lao. Me ayth thn ennoia, h kybernhsh kanei prospaqeia h opoia exei aytoys akribws toys stoxoys. Kai pisteyw oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish einai anagkaia, prepei na efarmostei. Kai ayto einai ekeino to opoio prepei oloys na mas problhmatizei kai na mas apasxolei: Pws qa ginei, dhladh, na antimetwpizontai ypeyqyna kai wrima ta qemata, idiaitera sto xwro ths Paideias, poy oloys mas eyaisqhtopoiei, mas endiaferei, mas sygkinei. H ekpaideytikh metarryqmish prepei na exei pantoy mono filoys, den mporei na exei exqroys. Den einai dynaton na synthreitai ayth h katastash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai se oti afora tis protaseis twn kommatwn, ola ta kommata exoyn kataqesei sygkekrimenes protaseis gia thn ekpaideysh.

REPPAS: Kamia sygkekrimenh protash. Epanalambanw....

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den sas aresoyn oi protaseis aytes, oxi oti...

REPPAS:... oti h endeia programmatos apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs einai entypwsiakh, se polloys tomeis, sto xwro ths Paideias idiaitera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den sas aresoyn oi protaseis aytes, ayto na peite.

REPPAS: H kybernhsh efarmozei to programma ths. Den chfizei o ellhnikos laos ena komma gia na kybernhsei, efarmozontas to programma enos alloy kommatos, poly perissotero, otan apo ena allo komma h kybernhsh den exei th dynatothta na daneistei, estw, kati, giati den yparxei kati. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote, yparxoyn protaseis alla den sas aresoyn.

REPPAS: Afoy sas eipa oti den yparxei, estw, kati gia na to daneistei h kybernhsh.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish, epeidh den katalaba kala. Eipate prohgoymenws oti oydepote ena Maziko Meson, anagnwrise laqos toy;

REPPAS: Nai, ayto eipa.

KIAOS: Ti sxesh exei ayto kai me ti aformh to lete kai pws genikeyetai etsi to qema; Ayto den katalaba.

REPPAS: Den to katalabate; Eipa oti h politikh ek twn pragmatwn, ws leitoyrgia, brisketai sto stoxastro ths kritikhs kai h syzhthsh peri ta qemata pantote odhgei sthn anagnwrish laqwn kai kaqysterhsewn. Kai anaferqhka se enan allon paragonta, fer` eipein, ta Mesa Enhmerwshs. Gnwrizete na exei anagnwrisei pote, kapoio apo ayta, oti exei ypopesei se laqos;

KIAOS: Ma, giati to lete ayto;

REPPAS: To lew ayto, gia na deijw thn idiaiterothta poy exei h politikh leitoyrgia. Gi` ayto akribws. Gia kanenan allon logo.

KIAOS: Pantws exoyme paradeigmata.

REPPAS: Oydepote, mono meta apo dikastikes apofaseis...

KIAOS: Oxi.

REPPAS: Kalws. Qa xarw poly na akoysw paradeigmata.

KIAOS: Nomizw oti ws armodios ypoyrgos ta gnwrizete. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai gia thn Paideia. Eipate oti o k. Arsenhs synanthqhke me toys maqhtes, synantietai me toys kaqhghtes. Praktika, pote teleiwnei olh ayth h talaipwria; Poia metra pairnei h kybernhsh gia na stamathsei ayto to pragma;

REPPAS: Exw milhsei gia ola ayta. H politikh ths kybernhshs sas einai gnwsth. Den allazei tipota, ws pros ayto.

KIAOS: Apo to Septembrio poy jekinhsan oi kinhtopoihseis, olo perimenoyme kai perimenoyme kai perimenoyme kai teleiwnei kai o Ianoyarios.

REPPAS: Xairomai poy exete ayto to entono endiaferon gia ena poly krisimo qema. Bebaiws, einai sto epikentro toy endiaferontos olwn mas h krish poy exei jespasei sto xwro ths Paideias. Apo ekei kai pera, prepei na sas pw oti qa prepei na epideijoyn eyqynh oi foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas, oi opoioi me tropo katwtero twn peristasewn, antimetwpisan qemata poy toys aforoyn. Ta qemata ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. H kybernhsh kanei oti einai dynaton. O ypoyrgos Paideias phre prwtoboylies kai ekane qetikes xeironomies, prin apo ta Xristoygenna. Anelabe ayth th shmantikh prwtoboylia gia syzhthsh, shmera, kai pisteyw oti qa ajiopoihqei ayth h syzhthsh, prokeimenoy na exoyme ena kaqoristiko bhma sthn kateyqynsh ths omalopoihshs ths katastashs.

KIAOS: Stis syzhthseis aytes, pws proserxetai h kybernhsh; Mporeite na mas peite;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh proserxetai me ayjhmeno aisqhma eyqynhs.

KIAOS: Ayto einai dedomeno.

REPPAS: Xairomai poy to qewreite dedomeno.

KIAOS: Einai dedomeno oti qa to peite. Ayto ennow.

REPPAS: Ara, giati rwtate, afoy exete dedomenh thn apanthsh;

KIAOS: Ayto poy rwtw einai, poia sygkekrimena metra qa proteinei h kybernhsh stoys alloys, stoys synomilhtes ths...

REPPAS: Se ena dialogo, osoi epiqymoyn na symbaloyn sto na ektonwqei h entash, na apoklimakwqei h krish kai na pame se mia omalopoihsh, proserxontai me aisqhma eyqynhs kai me kalh diaqesh na breqei lysh. Pisteyw oti oloi oi syzhthtes sth shmerinh synanthsh emforoyntai apo to idio pneyma. Gi` ayto akribws, pisteyw oti dikaiologeitai na eimaste aisiodojoi. Alla ayto prepei na apodeixqei.

LAMCIAS: Pisteyete, k. Ypoyrge, oti akoma ki an ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs -sta opoia xrewsate prin, ws ena baqmo, thn krish sthn Paideia- allazan stash, symfwnoysan h apodexontan en pash periptwsei tis protaseis ths kybernhshs, qa mporoyse na lyqei to problhma ths Paideias kai h katastash poy yparxei shmera; Qewreite, dhladh, oti mporoyn ta kommata na epibaloyn lysh sto shmerino adiejodo;

REPPAS: Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, oxi mono na epibaloyn lysh den mporoyn, alla den mporoyn na symbaloyn, opws fainetai, sto na anazhthqei lysh. Ayth einai mia prospaqeia thn opoia kanei h kybernhsh kai monon h kybernhsh. Kai pisteyoyme oti sthn prospaqeia ayth ths kybernhshs qa antapokriqoyn, pleon, kai oi foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas, wste kai ekeinoi, apo th dikh toys pleyra, na exoyn mia qetikh symbolh. Den exei ginei mexri twra. Pisteyoyme oti, para to oti einai arga -eimaste sto "kai pente", opws synhqws leme- h eyqynh poy qa epideijoyn, o tropos me ton opoio qa syzhthsoyn ta qemata toys me ton ypoyrgo Paideias, qa symbalei wste na jeperasoyme to problhma.

LAMCIAS: Dhladh, me th shmerinh katastash poy exei parei h krish sthn Paideia, den einai qema twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs. Einai qema twn idiwn twn maqhtwn poy exoyn parei thn katastash sta xeria toys...

REPPAS: Gi` ayto milhsa gia foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas.

LAMCAS: Ara, an prospaqei kapoios na proseggisei to qema ths Paideias me th symperifora twn kommatwn, einai "makria nyxtwmenos".

REPPAS: Profanws den antilhfqhkate ayta ta opoia eipa. Milhsa gia toys foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas kai eipa oti aytoi syzhtoyn ta qemata. Apo thn allh, bebaiws, h xrewsh sta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, ths adynamias toys na symbaloyn sthn ektonwsh ths krishs me to na proteinoyn kati to opoio qa mporoyse na ajiopoihqei apo thn kybernhsh, einai mia epibeblhmenh prajh. Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo. Emeis miloyme gia toys foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas. S` aytoys anaferqhka kai pisteyw oti aytoi qa epideijoyn eyqynh kai qa jeperastei h krish. Apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs den qa perimename kati kalytero.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno na ypobalei aithsh entajhs sto Eyrw, nwritera apo to 2001, opws problepetai mexri twra;

REPPAS: H Ellada qa kinhqei me bash tis proqesmies poy exoyn ejaggelqei. Den allazei tipota ws pros ton prosanatolismo mas gia thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE.

MIXAHL: Den allazei tipota, oson afora thn politikh h oson afora th diadikasia;

REPPAS: Milhsa kai gia proqesmia. Afora to plaisio twn kinhsewn mas pros thn ONE.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na moy peite, an gnwrizete, ean yparxoyn skeceis kybernhtikwn stelexwn gia epispeysh ths diadikasias;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti den gnwrizw ti skeptetai kaqe kybernhtiko stelexos. Ayto to opoio gnwrizw, einai ti exei apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh den exei antimetwpisei tetoio qema.

KARASABBA: Enocei twn skandalwn gia diafqora melwn ths olympiakhs oikogeneias, qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, ean yparxei kapoia antidrash, kapoio sxolio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai deyteron, an protiqetai na kanei kapoia protash gia monimh egkatastash twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: To olympiako idewdes prepei na meinei alwbhto. Den einai dynato na taytizetai h diejagwgh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, me tis drasthriothtes h tis prajeis melwn ths olympiakhs oikogeneias, oi opoies einai ajiokatakrites. Qa prepei ayta ta dyo na diaforopoihqoyn kai na mhn odhgoymaste se ejagwgh symperasmatwn poy adikoyn toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, oi opoioi apoteloyn th megalyterh diorganwsh toy planhth mas. Pisteyw oti oi syzhthseis poy kai pali ginontai gia monimh telesh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn sthn Ellada -giati polla dhmosieymata exoyme, pali, gia to qema ayto- exoyn endiaferon kai mporei na ejetastoyn se mia epomeno fash. Ayth thn wra h Ellada asxoleitai gia thn kalyterh proetoimasia ths diorganwshs twn agwnwn toy 2004 kai den qetei allo qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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