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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Septembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. To qema poy syzhthqhke afora to syntonismo ths politikhs Ereynas, me dedomeno oti, mexri shmera, den yparxei eniaios syntonismos sta programmata Ereynas, den yparxei eparkhs syzeyjh twn Ereynhtikwn Kentrwn kai Institoytwn me toys xrhstes twn yphresiwn toys kai oi drasthriothtes aytes den exoyn mia eniaia epopteia kai kateyqynsh. Epeidh, ola ayta odhgoyn sto na mhn yparxei makroxronios strathgikoy xarakthra sxediasmos, h Kybernhsh katelhje sthn apofash ths dhmioyrgias enos diypoyrgikoy organoy, sto opoio qa symmetexoyn oi Ypoyrgoi Anaptyjhs, Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn, Gewrgias, Ygeias kai Pronoias kai to opoio qa proedreyetai apo thn Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs. Skopos toy diypoyrgikoy aytoy organoy qa einai h xarajh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs ston tomea ths Ereynas, h anabaqmish ths Ereynas kai ths Texnologias, h parakoloyqhsh twn ereynhtikwn programmatwn kai h katanomh twn porwn gia Ereyna, kata ton kalytero dynato tropo. Apofasisthke, epishs, h metejelijh toy Eqnikoy Gnwmodotikoy Symboylioy Ereynas, to opoion pleon qa onomazetai Eqniko Gnwmodotiko Symboylio Ereynas kai Texnologias. To kainoyrgio sth dhmioyrgia toy neoy organoy egkeitai sto oti s` ayto qa symmetexoyn kai oi xrhstes, ekproswpoi twn diaforwn paragwgikwn tajewn kai ychlobaqmoi ekproswpoi kai allwn ypoyrgeiwn, prokeimenoy oi qeseis poy diamorfwnontai, sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy Symboylioy, na antikatoptrizoyn tis sygxrones ejelijeis, thn pragmatikothta, dhladh, sto xwro ths Texnologias. H Genikh Grammateia Ereynas kai Texnologias anabaqmizetai, stelexwnetai, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei stis ypoxrewseis ths. Analambanontai nees prwtoboylies. Einai shmantiko -kai to anaferw gia na exete ki eseis mia eikona ths katastashs poy epikratoyse ews twra- oti, metajy twn allwn, apo edw kai sto ejhs eisagetai ypoxrewsh twn etaireiwn poy synaptoyn programmatikes symbaseis me to ellhniko Dhmosio na perilambanoyn, sto plaisio aytwn twn symbasewn, kai ena pososto dapanwn gia Ereyna kai Texnologia. Ayto einai kati to opoio ews twra den ginotan, enw apotelei kaqestws, edw kai polla xronia, se alles anaptygmenes xwres.

Sth diarkeia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke, eisagwgika, se prosfata gegonota. Eipe poly xarakthristika kai parastatika oti thn Trith kai thn Tetarth zhsame tis dyo oceis ths politikhs h kai ths zwhs: -Thn Trith -me th sygkentrwsh sthn Kalliqea, th megalh symmetoxh toy kosmoy, th symporeysh toy laoy sthn koinh prospaqeia na epityxoyme toys megaloys eqnikoys kai koinwnikoys stoxoys- dhmioyrghqhke mia aisiodojia kai mia megalh prosdokia gia thn prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs kai oti exoyme xreos na antapokriqoyme, prokeimenoy na ikanopoihsoyme ayth thn prosdokia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai, -Thn Tetarth, eixame, mesa apo ena qlibero peristatiko, ena deigma ths kaqysterhshs h ths aneparkeias poy xarakthrizei polloys tomeis sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh kai idiaiterws ena deigma ths anapotelesmatikothtas poy, logw ellipoys ekpaideyshs, xarakthrizei kai shmera thn EL. AS.

Egine mia syntomh anafora sta gegonota. Anefere oti h epixeirhsh ayth sxediasthke kai ektelesthke me tropo plhmmelh kai atelh kai den eixe epityxh apotelesmata, epeidh akribws den eixan lhfqei ypoch oles oi parametroi gia na epiteyxqei o stoxos. H epixeirhsh ayth, ws amighs astynomikh epixeirhsh, jekinhse xwris thn enhmerwsh ths politikhs hgesias, h opoia -opws eipa ki egw xqes- enhmerwqhke s` ena deytero stadio, afoy hdh o kakopoios eixe katasthsei omhroys tesseris sympolites mas. Egine anafora ston tropo leitoyrgias twn MME poy prepei na sebontai kai na throyn toys kanones deontologias, prosferontas enhmerwsh, xwris, omws, na parempodizoyn tis dhmosies Arxes sthn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toys. Kai syndeqhke ayto kai me thn elliph, apo thn pleyra ths Astynomias, enhmerwsh twn MME. Fainomena ta opoia dysxerainoyn, se tetoies periptwseis, to ergo twn armodiwn arxwn, prepei na apofeygontai. Kalo einai, loipon, na antimetwpizontai sth genesh toys, prin ekdhlwqoyn.

O Prwqypoyrgos, kleinontas thn eisagwgh toy, ekane mia syntomh anafora sthn epikeimenh episkech toy sthn Aitwloakarnania, ypogrammizontas oti h epikoinwnia ths Kybernhshs, toy idioy kai twn Ypoyrgwn, alla kai olwn twn stelexwn prepei na einai diarkhs kai entatikh. Idiaitera ayth thn periodo prepei na katasthsoyme koinwno toy ergoy mas ton ellhniko lao kai se mia apeyqeias epikoinwnia me toys polites na gnwrizoyme se baqos ta qemata poy toys apasxoloyn. Ayto einai to nohma twn episkecewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy se diafores perioxes kai diafores dhmosies yphresies.

Meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, synedriase to KYSEA, prokeimenoy na epilejei to neo Arxhgo ths EL. AS.. Neo Arxhgo epeleje ton mexri twra A' Yparxhgo ypostrathgo Iwannh Gewrgakopoylo. To KYSEA ekrine oti h mexri twra peira toy, mias kai xronia exei yphrethsei se maximes qeseis, oi gnwseis toy (einai aristoyxos ths Nomikhs Sxolhs), to hqos, to kyros kai h entimothta toy apoteloyn stoixeia ta opoia prooiwnizontai thn epityxh askhsh twn newn kaqhkontwn toy.

Epishs, ston paraithqenta arxhgo ths EL. AS. strathgo Basilopoylo aponemetai o titlos toy epi timh Arxhgoy ths EL. AS. gia to ergo poy prosefere.

Enhmerwqhke to KYSEA apo ton Ypoyrgo Ygeias gia thn katastash ths ygeias twn traymatiwn. Oson afora to neo Arxhgo ths EL. AS. strathgo Gewrgakopoylo, pisteyetai -kai ayto einai ena stoixeio poy eprepe na ektimhqei- oti se diasthma ligwn hmerwn qa antimetwpistei me epityxia to problhma poy exei prokycei apo ton traymatismo toy, gia na epanelqei kanonika sta kaqhkonta toy. Ayta se genikes grammes. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sto b' stadio ths epixeirhshs sthn Axarnwn, to stadio dhladh kata to opoio htan enhmerh h politikh hgesia, eixe enhmerwqei h politikh hgesia prin apo thn telikh epixeirhsh; Anaferomai se o, ti egine stis 23.00 kai meta.

REPPAS: Apanthsa safws se sxetikh erwthsh, xqes. Eipa, sygkekrimena, oti: Sto skelos ayto ths epixeirhshs enhmerwqhke h politikh hgesia, afoy pleon o kakopoios eixe katasthsei omhroys tesseris sympolites mas. O sxediasmos kai h ektelesh paremeinan sta xeria twn hgetwn ths EL. AS., alla apo to shmeio ekeino kai meta yphrje synexhs roh plhroforhshs kai enhmerwshs kai pros thn politikh hgesia. Ayta eipa, s` ayta paramenw, ayth einai h alhqeia.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Hqela na mas enhmerwsete ean sas einai dynaton, ean prin mpoyn mesa oi astynomikoi eixe dwsei to "okei" h politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs.

REPPAS: Apanthsa me leptomereies, xqes, s` ayto. Sas lew oti tis apofaseis tis pairnei h fysikh hgesia ths Astynomias kai oti yphrje parallhla enhmerwsh ths politikhs hgesias. Ayta ta dyo mporei na synyparxoyn. To ena den anatrepei kai den anairei to allo.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Moy prokalese kataplhjh to gegonos oti anaferqhkate stis dyo oceis, opws eipate, "ths politikhs kai ths zwhs", metaferontas ta logia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Sth mia qetikh, dhladh, kai sthn allh arnhtikh pleyra. Kai ayto qymizei logistiko isologismo. Kai sas parakalw na mas peite, meta apo ton apologismo ayths ths ebdomadas kai me bash ayton ton "isologismo", ean kata thn Kybernhsh einai pistwtikos h xrewstikos, edw poy eftasan ta pragmata, stos telos ayths ths ebdomadas.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh einai Kybernhsh ths xwras. Exei eklegei apo ton ellhniko lao kai exei analabei kaqhkonta apo to Septembrh toy 1996. Qa dwsei logo kai qa kanei teliko apologismo to 2000, otan kai pali qa kriqei apo ton ellhniko lao. H symmetoxh sthn politikh diadikasia, gia osoys epilegoyn ayth th symmetoxh ws tropo zwhs, mporei na apotelei kai phgh xaras, aisiodojias kai gonimhs drashs. Gi` ayto, akribws, mia politikh ekdhlwsh san ayth poy organwqhke sthn Kalliqea mporei na pei kapoios oti apotelei to antikrysma ths aisiodojias poy diakatexei toys polites ths xwras gia thn prospaqeia poy ginetai, prokeimenoy na katasthsoyme isxyrh th qesh ths Elladas sto kontino mellon. Apo thn allh yparxei ena qlibero peristatiko, giati eixame barytatoys traymatismoys, giati h epixeirhsh, dystyxws, den estefqh apo epityxia, logw elleicewn h paraleicewn sto sxediasmo kai thn ektelesh ths. Synyparxoyn ayta sth zwh twn anqrwpwn. Kai nomizw oti ayto akribws einai poy dinei nohma kai kanei thn prospaqeia twn anqrwpwn, gia kalyteres synqhkes zwhs, epitaktikh. Prospaqeia agwniwdh polles fores kai agxwdh kai syxna xwris ta prosdokwmena apotelesmata, alla prospaqeia diarkh apo thn opoia den prepei pote na paraitoymaste. Qa synexisoyme, loipon, emeis ayth thn prospaqeia kai pisteyoyme oti o ellhnikos laos symporeyetai me thn Kybernhsh kai to PASOK s` ayth thn prospaqeia, giati einai prospaqeia gia to mellon ths xwras.

MPOYRDARAS: Eipate prohgoymenws, k. Ypoyrge, gia deigma kaqysterhshs, aneparkeias, anapotelesmatikothtas, gia elliph sxediasmo h paraleiceis kata to sxediasmo. Prwton, qa hqela na rwthsw, afoy katalogizontai ola ayta kai h eyqynh apodidetai sthn hgesia ths Astynomias, pws synadei apo th mia to gegonos ayto, me thn epibrabeysh oysiastika toy paraithqenta Arxhgoy, me thn apodosh toy titloy toy epi timh Arxhgoy ths Astynomias. Kai ena deytero erwthma, o nyn Arxhgos kai mexri xqes Yparxhgos, o k. Gewrgakopoylos htan parwn sthn olh epixeirhsh. Symmeteixe h oxi sto sxediasmo ths sygkekrimenhs epixeirhshs kai an symmeteixe me poio krithrio toy enos ginetai apodekth h paraithsh kai toy alloy ginetai proagwgh.

REPPAS: O k. Basilopoylos eixe oysiastikh symmetoxh kai anelabe -kai einai pros timhn toy- thn eyqynh se megalo baqmo gia thn anepityxh ayth epixeirhsh. O idios exei milhsei me cyxraimo tropo, ypeyqyno kai entimo gia ta epeisodia ayta. Omws, o k. Basilopoylos den htan Arxhgos ths Astynomias mono s` ayto to qlibero symban. Htan gia ikano xroniko diasthma Arxhgos ths Astynomias. Prosfere sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia kai exei na epideijei ergo. Giati, bebaiws, einai kai diko toy ergo to oti, se sxesh me to 1997 -periorizomai se ena paradeigma- eixame meiwsh ths egklhmatikothtas se ena pososto peripoy 15% h th syllhch emporwn kai diakinhtwn narkwtikwn oysiwn. Exei epityxies h Ellhnikh Astynomia. Den qa prepei na mhdenisoyme to ergo ths. Alla, bebaiws, ayth thn wra, me entono tropo, hrqe sthn epikairothta -kai ekei perioristhke h syzhthsh- to qema twn epeisodiwn ths Tetarths kai tipota allo. Apo thn allh o k. Gewrgakopoylos den eixe opoiadhpote oysiastikh symmetoxh kata thn epixeirhsh ayth. Htan typikh h paroysia toy. Kriqhke oti ena tetoio stelexos, to opoio diasfalizei th synexeia sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia kai diaqetei kyros kai ikanothta gia na symbalei sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn, qa prepei na ajiopoihqei. Kai ayto, giati diapistwqhke afenos oti den eixe oysiastikh symmetoxh sthn proxqesinh epixeirhsh kai giati afeteroy omofwna anagnwristhke oti einai ena epilekto stelexos me ejairetika prosonta, ta opoia qa prepei na ajiopoihqoyn gia to kalo ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias kai kat` epektash twn sympolitwn mas, poy anamenoyn tis qetikes yphresies ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias.

KIAOS: Anaferate prohgoymenws oti o Prwqypoyrgos apedwse thn apotyxia sthn elliph ekpaideysh.

REPPAS: Metajy twn allwn eipe oti den einai sto epipedo poy qa eprepe h ekpaideysh ths Astynomias. Gi` ayto, akribws, h ekbash twn epixeirhsewn den exei pantote thn epityxia poy prosdoka kapoios.

KIAOS: Thn ekpaideysh ths Astynomias, poios thn exei analabei;

REPPAS: H hgesia ths Astynomias.

KIAOS: H hgesia ths Astynomias, h opoia exei thn eyqynh gia thn ekpaideysh, den pairnei ta sxetika kondylia apo ton proypologismo, apo thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Jerete oti oi dynatothtes einai pantote prosdiorismenes. Oi oikonomikes dynatothtes toy proypologismoy, ta texnika mesa poy mporei na diaqetei to Kratos einai pantote entos toy plaisioy twn dynatothtwn toy Kratoys. Thn teleytaia periodo exoyn ginei shmantika bhmata, almata, ston ejoplismo ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, sta mesa poy diaqetei. Den anaferomai ayth thn wra se ariqmoys gia na mhn sas koyrasw. Mporw na to kanw, an qelete. Kai ta aytokinhta poy exei sth diaqesh ths kai ta ylika ta opoia xrhsimopoiei kai ta alla texnika mesa, ola ayta deixnoyn oti exei ginei proodos. Alla, bebaiws, pantote otan exeis th dynatothta na bgaleis symperasma, krinontas ek toy apotelesmatos mia epixeirhsh -an h epixeirhsh ayth einai anepityxhs- den mporei para na diapistwseis paraleiceis kai adynamies kai na tis katalogiseis. Kai sto aristo epipedo, an qewreis oti brisketai ena Swma, opws h Ellhnikh Astynomia, alla thn krisimh stigmh, thn wra ths zwntanhs drashs -antiqeta me o, ti qewreitai pws exei epiteyxqei- diapistwneis adynamies h kraygalea anapotelesmatikothta, den qa paraleiceis na epishmaineis aytes tis adynamies.

KIAOS: Sas rwtw, apo monh ths h hgesia ths Astynomias exei thn eyqynh gia thn ekpaideysh;

REPPAS: Asfalws.

KIAOS: Den parembainei h politikh hgesia h en genei...

REPPAS: Einai qemata ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias.

KIAOS: O k. Gewrgakopoylos o opoios den eixe, eipate, opoiadhpote oysiastikh symmetoxh, gia poio logo phge ekei;

REPPAS: Den eixe kanena logo na einai ekei. Einai kati poy to epeleje o idios, giati profanws ekrine oti eprepe na einai konta ston topo poy ektylissetai mia epixeirhsh. Epeidh, akribws, htan ekei o Arxhgos, o mexri xqes Yparxhgos, ekrine oti htan ekei h qesh toy. Einai kati to opoio mporei kaneis na to krinei kai eseis mporeite na to sxoliasete. Ayto, omws, to opoio antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia einai toyto: Den eixe opoiadhpote oysiastikh symmetoxh h emplokh kata th sxediash h thn ektelesh ths epixeirhshs. Ayto einai to poly shmantiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti sto prwto stadio h politikh hgesia den eixe enhmerwqei, alla sth deyterh fash, otan egine to makeleio, eixe symmetoxh kai h politikh hgesia. Giati tote kophkan ta kefalia ths astynomikhs hgesias kai oxi kai ths politikhs; Giati egine dekth h paraithsh toy k. Basilopoyloy kai den eginan oi alles;

REPPAS: To erwthma sas qa htan logiko, an eixa pei ayta ta opoia isxyrizeste oti eipa. Egw den eipa ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sth deyterh fash den eipate oti enhmerwqhke...

REPPAS: Eipa oti enw apofasizetai kai ekteleitai mia epixeirhsh, parallhla, prosferetai enhmerwsh. Ayta mporei na synyparxoyn. Ti sxesh exei h enhmerwsh poy prosfereis se kapoion me thn apofash poy exeis labei na fereis se peras mia epixeirhsh; Gia thn opoia exeis eyqys ejarxhs thn eyqynh. Thn exeis sxediasei kai exeis labei sygkekrimenes apofaseis gia to pws qa diekperaiwseis thn epixeirhsh poy exeis sxediasei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto sas lew, k. Ypoyrge. Sth deyterh fash, enhmerwqhke o k. Papadogiannakhs oti qa ginei to "ntoy"; Nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Apo th stigmh poy elaban tis apofaseis toys oi hgetes ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias na proxwrhsoyn kat` ayto ton tropo sthn epixeirhsh -to eipa xqes kai to epanalambanw an den to akoysate h den to qymaste- yphrje kai synexhs enhmerwsh pros thn politikh hgesia. To eipa, xqes. Qelete na sas diabasw thn apanthsh. Isxyei apolytws. Moy kanei entypwsh poy epanerxeste...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto sas rwtaw an isxyei, giati dexeste thn paraithsh toy k. Basilopoyloy kai den dexeste kai twn allwn dyo;

REPPAS: Giati, h politikh hgesia den eixe kamia eyqynh sto sxediasmo kai thn ektelesh ayths ths epixeirhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sth deyterh fash;

REPPAS: Allh erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti parempodisan oi dhmosiografoi tis kratikes Arxes na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Pote thn parempodisan, proxqes. Den xrhsimopoihqhkan oi dhmosiografoi gia na kanei th doyleia ths h Astynomia;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti to qema ayto exei egeirei polles syzhthseis. Enstaseis diatypwqhkan apo polles pleyres gia to pws leitoyrghsan ta MME kai bebaiws, h qesh h opoia ekfrazei thn Kybernhsh einai ayth thn opoia kai xqes sas aneptyja: Ta MME prosferoyn enhmerwsh. Den prepei, omws, ypo to prosxhma ths enhmerwshs, na ypokaqistoyn th leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn forewn. Ta MME prepei na throyn toys kanones deontologias, prokeimenoy na prosferoyn enhmerwsh xwris, omws, na dramatopoioyn ta gegonota etsi, wste na epibarynoyn thn atmosfaira entos ths opoias oi armodioi foreis askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. O Proedros toy ESR parenebh amesws se sygkekrimeno thleoptiko staqmo kai toys ekane gnwsto oti me to programma poy ekpempoyn, probainoyn se seira parabasewn twn kanonwn deontologias, gia na toys epishmanei thn eyqynh poy exoyn. O Yparxhgos ths Astynomias k. Plakas htan ston thleoptiko staqmo, epeidh kriqhke apo thn Astynomia oti mia amesh epikoinwnia me ton kakopoio, ekeinh thn wra, mporoyse na prosferei qetika, logw twn plhroforiwn poy eixe h Astynomia sth diaqesh ths apo aythn akribws thn epikoinwnia. Oson afora twra ta twn MME, gnwrizete poly kala oti tetoia qemata ta antimetwpizei to ESR kai ekeino qa krinei. Allwste, dwsame aytes tis armodiothtes, pleon, me thn chfish toy prosfatoy nomoy -einai qema ligwn hmerwn na dhmosieyqei se fyllo ths Efhmeridas ths Kybernhshs- ston Proedro kai sto ESR na xeirizontai ypeyqyna kai symfwna me thn prepoysa deontologia aytes tis ypoqeseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn parempodish, poy th blepete;

REPPAS: Eipa polles fores kai to gnwrizete oti exoyme kai tetoia fainomena apo th leitoyrgia twn hlektronikwn meswn enhmerwshs. Yparxei deontologia h opoia prepei na threitai kai den threitai panta. Den ginetai panta sebasth h ajioprepeia twn sympolitwn mas. Den throyntai pantote ta metra kai ta staqma poy einai aparaithta, wste me nhfalio kai cyxraimo tropo, anti na fortizoyme, na bohqoyme, otan ayto einai aparaithto, sthn antimetwpish ektaktwn peristatikwn. Ayta einai pragmatikothtes tis opoies biwnei o ellhnikos laos. S` ayth th xwra zoyme kai emeis. Oydeis dianoeitai na epibalei mhxanismoys logokrisias h na parempodisei to ergo twn leitoyrgwn twn MME. Yparxei, omws, mia syntagmatikh epitagh poy prepei na ginetai sebasth apo oloys, giati einai yperanw olwn. Xreiazetai antikeimenikothta, xreiazetai enas tropos paroysiashs twn gegonotwn, o opoios na tima ton polith. Ayton, poy ena meso enhmerwshs, ypotiqetai oti epidiwkei na yphrethsei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apofeygete na moy apanthsete. Poy parempodisan oi dhmosiografoi;

REPPAS: Ayth einai h gnwmh sas. Sas eipa oti ta MME, polles fores kai proxqes, ena tetoio qema -giati den prepei na sas diafeygei kai ayth h parametros- den qa prepei na to xeirizontai me akraio tropo, giati dhmioyrgoyntai kai alla problhmata. Den antilambaneste oti otan proballetai ena tetoio qlibero symban me enan egklhmatia o opoios syzhtei me to panellhnio poy exei prosbash s` aytes tis hlektronikes yphresies -metajy de twn pollwn, einai kai anhlikoi, einai mikra paidia- dhmioyrgoyntai deyterogenws polla problhmata; Den to antilambaneste ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw to antilambanomai. O k. Soyrlas giati dexqhke na synexistei, proxqes;

REPPAS: Epeidh, akribws, eixe peistei, afoy enhmerwqhke apo to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, pws h epafh ayth mporei na drasei ypobohqhtika sto ergo ths Astynomias. Kai pragmati, s` aytes tis periptwseis pantote prepei thn krisimh wra na staqmizeis thn epilogh soy kai se poly mikro xrono prepei na pairneis apofaseis. Poly perissotero otan diakybeyetai anqrwpinh zwh, giati gnwrizete oloi oti o sygkekrimenos kakopoios eixe apeilhsei oti qa katastrecei th zwh twn omhrwn, twn aixmalwtwn, an diekopteto to programma. Poios qa apofasize th diakoph toy programmatos me ena tetoio endexomeno na odhghqoyme sthn apwleia ths zwhs twn omhrwn; Ola ayta eprepe na staqmistoyn. Kai poly ypeyqyna o Proedros toy ESR, afoy epeshmane ta oria mesa sta opoia prepei na kineitai ena meso enhmerwshs, dexqhke ayth thn apofash, epilogh twn armodiwn Arxwn poy ekrinan oti mporei na xrhsimopoihsoyn ayth thn epikoinwnia gia na dieykolynqoyn sto ergo toys. Htan poly synqeth ayth h epixeirhsh. Kai sthn koinwnia ths plhroforias, h leitoyrgia twn MME einai mia parametros poy den einai eykolo na thn tiqaseysei kapoios. Qa prepei na thn ajiopoihsei me th symbolh twn idiwn twn leitoyrgwn twn meswn ths enhmerwshs, sthn kateyqynsh ths apotelesmatikhs antimetwpishs twn problhmatwn poy prokyptoyn.

PETOYRH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, an ektos toy k. Rwmaioy elaban kai alloi Ypoyrgoi to logo eite gia th sygkentrwsh ths Kalliqeas, eite gia to epeisodio ths Tetarths; Kai mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh, h anafora sta MME kai to rolo toys sthn epixeirhsh, opws ejelixqhke, egine apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h apo melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

REPPAS: Kata thn eisagwgikh topoqethsh toy o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sta qemata gia ta opoia sas milhsa. O k. Giannopoylos ekane mia parembash, legontas pws askhqhke poinikh diwjh kata pantos ypeyqynoy, ara stamata kai h dienergeia ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs, poy eixe jekinhsei. O k. Rwmaios anaferqhke sta gegonota ayta. O k. Geitonas, opws sas eipa, enhmerwse gia thn katastash ths ygeias twn traymatiwn kai egw ekana mia poly syntomh anafora gia to qema poy afora th deontologia poy prepei na throyn ta MME kata th leitoyrgia toys. Anaferqhka sta sygkekrimena peristatika ta opoia exoyn sxesh me thn paroysia ekei toy Yparxhgoy ths Astynomias kai thn parembash toy Proedroy toy ESR sto sygkekrimeno thleoptiko staqmo. Eipa, metajy twn allwn, oti poly prin prokycoyn tetoia qemata kai sygkekrimena prin ena-enamisi xrono me epistolh moy, exw zhthsei apo to ESR na proxwrhsei se employtismo twn isxyontwn kanonwn deontologias. Kai pantote zhtw th diatypwsh newn kwdikwn deontologias. Einai ergo to opoio kanei to ESR kai pisteyw oti syntoma qa oloklhrwsei. Nomizw oti einai stis proqeseis toy Proedroy toy ESR na probei se mia synennohsh me ta MME, prokeimenoy apo koinoy, na orisoyn ena plaisio leitoyrgias toy organoy afenos kai twn MME afeteroy, wste apo koinoy na diaxeirizontai tetoies ektaktes peristaseis.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me sygxwreite, alla egw den katalaba mexri stigmhs ayth thn allhloyxia poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos metajy Triths poy eixame mia sygkentrwsh kommatikoy patriwtismoy kai toy tragikoy symbantos ths Tetarths, ektos ean o Prwqypoyrgos anaferotan sta proswpika toy synaisqhmata.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos se kaqe Ypoyrgiko Symboylio synhqizetai na anaferetai sthn epikairothta. Ayth thn ebdomada, gnwrizete pws eixame to qlibero symban kai bebaiws, eixame kai mia koryfaia politikh ekdhlwsh. Ayth thn antifash ths zwhs, an qelete, hqele na epishmanei o Prwqypoyrgos, gia na deijei oti ayto to qlibero peristatiko mas ypoxrewnei na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas gia na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata ston tomea ths egklhmatikothtas, ths asfaleias kai ths tajhs. Apo thn allh, me thn anafora toy sthn politikh sygkentrwsh hqele na tonisei thn ypoxrewsh poy exoyme na synexisoyme atalanteyta thn prospaqeia mas gia na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas. Giati, bebaiws, yparxoyn oi entypwseis poy dhmioyrgoyntai apo stigmes ths zwhs mas. H zwh mas, omws, exei mia diarkeia. Qa prepei, loipon, h Kybernhsh sto plaisio ths qhteias ths na enteinei to ergo ths gia na kriqei synolika me bash to ergo ths, otan erqei to 2000. Kai to ena, loipon, kai to allo exoyn qesh se mia tetoia syzhthsh kai den prepei na sas kanei entypwsh.

KARBOYNH: Milhsate gia elliph ekpaideysh. Qelw na rwthsw ean h Kybernhsh antimetwpizei endexomenh ayjhsh twn eidikwn kondyliwn kai, genikws, anaprosarmoghs ths Sxolhs Ekpaideyshs, poy isxyei mexri shmera gia toys Astynomikoys.

REPPAS: H Astynomia qa prepei na ekpaideytei wste na einai etoimh kai ikanh na antimetwpisei apotelesmatika tis nees katastaseis poy dhmioyrgoyntai, tis nees synqhkes. Exoyme polloys oikonomikoys prosfyges. Molis proxqes, qymaste, arketes dekades anqrwpwn hrqan sthn patrida mas anazhtwntas mia kalyterh tyxh. Oi anqrwpoi aytoi kai polloi alloi poy, isws exoyn fqasei sthn patrida mas kai kykloforoyn anamesa mas, an den exoyn ergasia, an den exoyn ejasfalisei ajioprepeis synqhkes diabiwshs, tipota den apokleiei na odhghqoyn sto egklhma. H xwra mas, loipon, prepei na antimetwpisei ena neo fainomeno, to opoio brisketai se ejarsh. Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh ta apotelesmata einai ikanopoihtika. Mporw na anaferqw kai se alloys ariqmoys ths statistikhs. H epoxh poy kapoioi elegan sthn Astynomia "eseis eiste to kratos", exei perasei. Emeis eksygxronizoyme thn Astynomia, ths exoyme dwsei arketa efodia kai ejoplismo, prokeimenoy na kanei to ergo ths. Panta, omws, epidiwkoyme to kalytero. Kai sas eipa pws akomh kai an pisteceis kapoia stigmh, qewrhtika, oti eisai se aristo epipedo, tipota den apokleiei mia epomenh stigmh, thn wra ths zwntanhs drashs, na ginoyn laqh kai na exeis apotyxia. Den qa prepei apo ayto na bgazeis ena geniko symperasma.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: An ayto poy eipate, oti afoy milhse gia ta oria dexqhke thn apofash twn astynomikwn arxwn na xrhsimopoihsoyn ta mesa k. lp., afora ton Proedro ths Kybernhshs h ton Proedro toy ESR;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia ton Proedro toy ESR. S' ayton anaferomoyn kai gi ayton htan o logos.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se endexomenes eyqynes toy Eisaggelea poy briskotan sthn epixeirhsh.

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos eipe pws exei ekqesh, mia anafora apo to sygkekrimeno eisaggeliko leitoyrgo. Einai kai ayto qema, to opoio qa diereynhqei.

ELENOPOYLOS: Na epanalabw thn erwthsh: An o Prwqypoyrgos...

REPPAS: Katalaba thn erwthsh k. Elenopoyle. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferomenos genikws sthn epixeirhsh, eipe metajy allwn oti epi toy qematos ths symmetoxhs, me ton ena h allo tropo, eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy s' ayth thn epixeirhsh diatypwnontai diafores ekdoxes. Einai kati to opoio kai ayto prepei na ereynhqei. O k. Giannopoylos, ws ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, eipe oti exei sth diaqesh toy mia ekqesh, kai, bebaiws, h symperifora kai oi epiloges toy Eisaggelea apoteloyn antikeimeno ereynas, poy syntassetai sto synolo ths ereynas gia to qema ayto.

ELENOPOYLOS: Mias kai o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sto qema ths eyqynhs twn MME, den qelw na mpoyme se leptomereies, oyte sto sygkekrimeno peristatiko...

REPPAS: Egine mia poly syntomh anafora. Den egine ep' aytoy ektenhs syzhthsh, mhn exete ayth thn entypwsh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Gia poio logo, afoy kriqhke apo thn hgesia ths Astynomias, kai parakalw na fygoyme apo tis endexomenes eyqynes ths Astynomias, parembash kai parabash kai ola ta sxetika, to aplo erwthma poy qa sas qesw einai: Afoy eteqh qema eyqynwn twn MME apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, giati tiqetai ayto, th stigmh poy apo thn allh pleyra, anaireitai apo mia apofash ths Astynomias; Den to katalabainw. Gia poio logo toyth thn wra epilegetai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na anaferqei ena tetoio qema, afoy ta oria -opws eipate ki eseis- einai dysdiakrita; Gia poio logo;

REPPAS: Den epeleje na anadeijei kanena qema o Prwqypoyrgos. Anaferqhke se mia pragmatikothta. Eipe oti den mporei qemata ta opoia exoyn sxesh me ton anqrwpino pono kai syxna aforoyn anqrwpines tragwdies, na apoteloyn "sooy" gia katanalwsh apo to eyry thleoptiko koino. Ayth einai h qesh. O Prwqypoyrgos den eipe ayto poy lete. Einai mia qesh thn opoia oloi symmerizomaste ki eseis pisteyw. Kai sto plaisio ayto prospaqoyme, an kai den to petyxainoyme panta, na kinoymaste. Den nomizw oti yparxei antilogos s' ayto.

KIAOS: Ayto poy eipate xqes gia to qema oti "o kalyteros xeirismos htan aytos poy egine me ta dedomena opws ta eixame" isxyei;

REPPAS: Eipa, xqes, oti apo th stigmh poy h hgesia ths Astynomias eixe apofasisei oti prepei na diathrhqei ayth h epafh, ypodeixqhke ston thleoptiko staqmo apo thn Astynomia na diathrhsei ayth thn epafh, me parallhlh ypodeijh na profasistei texnikes blabes gia na diakocei to programma -th dhmosia ekpomph dhladh ths epikoinwnias- xwris, omws, na stamathsei h apeyqeias epikoinwnia.

KIAOS: Oxi, ayto poy eipate lew isxyei; Oti o kalyteros xeirismos htan aytos poy egine;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto kriqhke apo thn pleyra twn armodiwn pws eprepe na ginei h sygkekrimenh epilogh. Poly perissotero otan eixe apeilhsei o kakopoios oti qa toys tinajei oloys ston aera. Otan exeis, loipon, th diakindyneysh ths zwhs anqrwpwn, antilambaneste pws kai oi epiloges poy qa kaneis den mporei para na stoxeyoyn, prwtistws, sto na diasfaliseis th zwh twn sympolitwn soy. Den einai dynaton na zygiseis apo th mia th zwh twn sympolitwn kai apo thn allh, thn opoia deontologia, thn opoia parabiash kanonwn h thn opoia adhfago diaqesh toy koinoy na plhroforhqei ena gegonos. Exeis th diakindyneysh ths zwhs twn sympolitwn kai ayto einai poy proexei. Ola ta alla kamptontai kai ypoxwroyn.

ARGYROS: Diatypwse kapoia diafwnia gia to sxedio ths efodoy o nyn Arxhgos; Kai an egine ayto, pws shkwqhke kai phge mesa xwris kanena metro prostasias; Fainetai pws eixe peisqei oti o xeirobombida htan ceytikh. Kai ena deytero: Pote qa ginei Yphresiako Symboylio gia thn plhrwsh twn ypoloipwn qesewn;

REPPAS: To Yphresiako Symboylio qa synelqei tis epomenes hmeres. Gia to neo Arxhgo eipa oti den eixe oysiastikh symmetoxh sthn epixeirhsh.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Thn prwth fora poy o Sorin eixe piasei ton Astynomiko, eixe pei o k. Rwmaios, oti "den qelw na xyqei aima, as fygei o kakopoios". Mhpws twra, poy exoyn ginei gnwsta orismena stoixeia, diatypwse mia tetoia apoch, oti an htan edw isws eixe ginei mia allh epilogh apo thn efodo; Eipe kati sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Fainetai na sas diafeygei kati poy eipa xqes. Oti to krisimo shmeio einai h entypwsh poy dhmioyrghqhke stoys armodioys, oti h xeirobombida den htan pragmatikh. Eixan th bebaiothta oti einai pragmatikh h xeirobombida, sthn prwth epixeirhsh prin liges meres, eixan thn idia bebaiothta sto prwto skelos ths proxqesinhs epixeirhshs. Alla, otan eixan plhrofories poy perihlqan s' aytoys apo atomo poy briskotan konta ston kakopoio, oti h xeirobombida ayth den htan pragmatikh, otan ektimhsan thn ikanothta toy kakopoioy na anebei se ena diamerisma alloy orofoy apo tis ydroroes kratwntas th xeirobombida, h opoia an kai apasfalismenh den ejerragh, otan eixan ola ayta ypoch toys, oles aytes tis plhrofories h ekanan tis analoges ektimhseis, dhmioyrghqhke s` aytoys h pepoiqhsh oti h xeirobombida den htan pragmatikh. Kai etsi loipon, sto deytero skelos ths proxqesinhs epixeirhshs, to phran ayto ws dedomeno. Ayto einai to kaqoristiko shmeio.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Lew, mhpws o k. Rwmaios eipe kati. Oti an htan edw qa akoloyqoyse thn idia taktikh.

REPPAS: Sas eipa kai xqes, to epanalambanw, to prwto to opoio epidiwkeis einai na diasfaliseis th zwh twn anqrwpwn. Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh aytos htan o kyrios skopos. Den yparxei tipota allo to opoio na einai isodynamo ayths ths prospaqeias. Alla, bebaiws, apo th stigmh poy peisthkan oti den yparxei kindynos, epeidh den htan pragmatikh h xeirobombida, antilambaneste pws ekanan epiloges drashs tetoies oi opoies odhghsan se ayta ta apotelesmata.

MPOYRDARAS: Me ola osa anaferontai, katagrafontai h epishmainontai ws paralhceis, lanqasmenes ektimhseis k. lp. -ta opoia exoyn ws apotelesma na kindyneyei amesa h zwh enos sympolith mas- apo tis energeies poy eginan, na symperanoyme oti apokleistika ypeyqynoi gia o, ti tragiko synebh htan o paraithqeis Arxhgos, o Attikarxhs k. Panagiwths Gewrgakopoylos kai o Dioikhths Asfaleias k Qeodwros Papafilhs, poy teqhkan se diaqesimothta kai oydeis allos; Kai ena deytero erwthma, an moy epitrepete, paroti jerw oti den apantate h apofeygete na apantate se ypoqetika erwthmata, alla egw qa to qesw: Ean h oikogeneia, ta qymata ayths ths epixeirhshs, eixan syggenikh sxesh me kapoio kybernhtiko stelexos h me ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, h antimetwpish toy oloy zhthmatos apo thn Kybernhsh, qa htan h idia shmera;

REPPAS: Otan lete shmera ennoeite th stash ths Kybernhshs, shmera dyo meres meta h th stash ths Kybernhshs tote;

MPOYRDARAS: H stash ths Kybernhshs kai tote kai meta to peristatiko, ws pros ton katalogismo twn eyqynwn.

REPPAS: H EL. AS. dra me ypeyqyno tropo, anejarthtws twn proswpwn ta opoia briskontai se deinh qesh, antimetwpizoyn problhma. H Kybernhsh xeirizetai oles tis ypoqeseis me to idio aisqhma eyqynhs, epeidh den einai dynato, akomh kai se ayto ton tomea kapoioi na epixeiroyn na epiballoyn diakriseis. Den einai paradekto. Rwthsate, epishs, sthn arxh, gia to an eftaigan mono aytoi oi Ajiwmatikoi. Eipa, xqes, oti h ejeidikeysh ths apodoshs twn eyqynwn qa ginei. Se epipedo yphresiako gnwrizete poia einai h ejelijh. Otan oloklhrwqei h dikastikh diadikasia, peraiwqei h taktikh anakrish, tote qa einai eykolo kai s' esas kai se oloys mas na gnwrizoyme, aytos o elegxos, ayth h anakrish, poy odhgei. Apo th stigmh, omws, poy einai se ejelijh den einai dynato na poyme kati parapanw.

ELENOPOYLOS: Hrqe sth dhmosiothta kapoia kloph ylikoy apo mia monada sto Bitsi, kapoiwn disketwn me yliko to opoio, lene oi plhrofories oti, einai genikws aporrhto k. lp. Exete kapoies plhrofories, na kanete kapoio sxolio h kati allo;

REPPAS: H kloph toy ylikoy aytoy egine se monada rantar sto oros Bitsi. Metajy twn allwn ektimatai oti periexontai kai stoixeia poy exoyn aporrhto xarakthra. Apo enan prwto elegxo poy ekanan oi armodies yphresies, bgainei to symperasma oti to yliko ayto den afora epixeirhseis, sxedia, ta opoia anaferontai h sthn perioxh toy Aigaioy h stis sxeseis Elladas-Toyrkias. Diejagetai ereyna, prokeimenoy na entopistoyn oi ypaitioi kai na diapistwqei pws akribws odhghqhkame sthn apwleia aytoy toy ylikoy.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H hgesia ths Astynomias, otan apofasise th deyterh epembash, enhmerwse thn politikh hgesia gia thn epembash ayth, etsi den einai;

REPPAS: Eteqh ayto to qema, prohgoymenws, apo synadelfoys sas.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: S' ayth thn enhmerwsh h hgesia ths Astynomias enhmerwse thn politikh hgesia oti h epixeirhsh ginetai epeidh h gnwmh einai oti h xeirobombida einai ceytikh;

REPPAS: Eipa oti yphrje synexhs plhroforhsh. Prepei na dexqeite oti se ayth th synexh plhroforhsh, orismena stoixeia, ta opoia exoyn to idiaitero baros kai th shmasia toys, anaferontai, den paraleipontai.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H aporia moy, poy blepw oti den exei diatypwqei, einai mhpws to oti h xeirobombida htan ceytikh einai, isa-isa, logos gia na mh ginei kamia epembash;

REPPAS: Isa-isa htan logos gia na ginei h epembash me ton tropo me ton opoio egine, afoy eixan th bebaiothta oti den htan pragmatikh h xeirobombida.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw thn apoch ths Kybernhshs sxetika me tis gnwmes poy akoygontai gia elastikopoihsh twn oriwn toy plaisioy entos toy opoioy epitrepetai na xrhsimopoioyn ta opla toys oi katastaltikoi mhxanismoi.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti epi toy qematos aytoy exoyn gnwmh oi eisaggelikoi leitoyrgoi. Pollh syzhthsh egine gia thn synergasia toy sygkekrimenoy eisaggelikoy leitoyrgoy me tis dynameis ths Astynomias poy ekteloysan th sygkekrimenh epixeirhsh. Ola ayta apoteloyn antikeimeno ereynas, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme pws akribws eginan aytes oi synergasies. Omws, yparxei to genikotero qema ths apotelesmatikothtas ths Astynomias. Einai to qema toy kata poso syndeetai h apotelesmatikothta ayth me mia eleyqeria kinhsewn kai drashs poy prepei na exoyn ta organa ths Astynomias, prokeimenoy mona toys na apofasizoyn kai na probainoyn se orismenes energeies, poy shmera, me bash ta isxyonta, den toys epitrepetai na kanoyn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To ejetazei, dhladh, h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den antimetwpise tetoio qema h Kybernhsh. Ekana mia genikh anafora, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, alla kai enan problhmatismo o opoios exei anaptyxqei. Ayth thn wra den teqhke tetoio qema. Den to eqese kaneis ayto to qema twra.

Eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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