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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Ioylioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. To qema to opoio mas apasxolhse htan to G' Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs (KPS), o sxediasmos gia thn poreia ths xwras, kata ta epomena xronia, me thn ektelesh anaptyjiakwn ergwn poy einai aparaithta, prokeimenoy na dwsoyn thn wqhsh gia mia nea isxyrh qesh ths Elladas sth dieqnh koinothta. Syzhthsame to plaisio, th diadikasia me bash thn opoia qa oloklhrwqei ayth h prospaqeia, gia thn me ton kalytero dynato tropo ekponhsh toy G' KPS. Syzhthsame, epishs, se poly genikes grammes, gia toys anaptyjiakoys prosanatolismoys poy qa exei to Plaisio ayto.

Exontas, hdh, thn empeiria apo ta dyo prohgoymena KPS, epiqymoyme na mh xaqei oyte mia hmera, wste -apo to 2000 poy qa arxisei na efarmozetai ayth h politikh, mesw twn porwn toy G' KPS- na eimaste, hdh, etoimoi kai na mhn epanalhfqoyn fainomena toy parelqontos. Xreiasthke na perasoyn ena h dyo xronia, prokeimenoy na ekponhqoyn kai na oloklhrwqoyn meletes, na telesidikisoyn apofaseis dikasthriwn, sxetika me apallotriwseis kai alles nomikes ypoqeseis, me apotelesma kai xronos na xaqei kai oi poroi na mhn einai eykolo na aporrofhqoyn ston preponta xrono. Ara, loipon -mia prwth epishmansh kanw- to nohma ths shmerinhs syzhthshs htan prwton, h enhmerwsh kai deyteron oi apofaseis kai oi kateyqynseis, prokeimenoy, me ton kalytero tropo, na eimaste etoimoi thn 1.1.2000, wste na ajiopoihsoyme toys poroys toy G` KPS.

Hdh -kai anaferw ena xarakthristiko paradeigma- exoyn lhfqei apofaseis kai xrhmatodotoyntai meletes gia erga ta opoia einai dedomeno oti qa entaxqoyn sto G` KPS, wste otan erqei h wra na antlhsoyme toys poroys, na einai etoimes oi meletes kai ta erga na proxwrhsoyn apo thn prwth kiolas stigmh.

Sto G` KPS, apofash mas einai:

-Na perilambanontai, bebaiws, ta erga ta opoia den qa exoyn oloklhrwqei sto plaisio toy B` KPS, opws einai to megalo ergo ths Egnatias Odoy.

-Na perilhfqoyn nea erga kai nees draseis.

-Na enisxyqoyn oi kainotomes draseis poy gia prwth fora perielhfqhsan sto B` KPS kai idiaitera aytes poy exoyn sxesh me thn katartish toy anqrwpinoy dynamikoy, me tis diorqwtikes parembaseis gia ton eksygxronismo ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs.

-Na yparxei, epishs, mia enisxysh se orismenoys tomeis poy qewroyme oti einai meizonos proteraiothtas. Opws, gia paradeigma, h oloklhrwsh toy Eqnikoy Kthmatologioy -to opoio einai ena para poly shmantiko ergo- poy pisteyoyme oti qa katastei efikth sto G` KPS.

-Na prowqhqoyn polla kondylia ston tomea ths Pronoias, opoy dinoyme idiaiterh barythta. Pera apo tis meletes gia tis ypodomes, poy prowqoyntai sto plaisio twn anaptyjiakwn ergwn, yparxei mia shmantikh proergasia gi` ayth thn idia th Dhmosia Dioikhsh kai toys foreis diaxeirishs aytwn twn ergwn, prokeimenoy na exoyme to katallhlo anqrwpino dynamiko, etoimo na antimetwpisei ayth th nea proklhsh. Prosblepoyme sth synergasia toy dhmosioy me ton idiwtiko tomea. Epiqymoyme thn antlhsh idiwtikwn kefalaiwn, prokeimenoy, mesw twn ependysewn sta sygxrhmatodotoymena erga, na epityxoyme mia nea pragmatikothta ews to 2006 poy oloklhrwnetai to G` KPS. Kai, bebaiws -opws antilambaneste- h drash ayth qa enisxyqei, peran twn xrhmatwn toy G` KPS, apo to Programma Dhmosiwn Ependysewn, ta posa toy opoioy kaqe allo para eykatafronhta einai.

Oson afora th diadikasia, hdh, edw kai arketoys mhnes, exei sygkrothqei mia omada, thn opoia syntonizei o texnikos symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai sthn opoia symmetexoyn ekproswpoi-stelexh twn Ypoyrgeiwn Eswterikwn-Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn. Meta apo syzhthseis me ekproswpoys olwn twn ypoyrgeiwn, syntoma -einai qema ligwn hmerwn, sto prwto 15nqhmero toy Aygoystoy- qa einai etoimo ena prwto sxedio gia to G` KPS, opws to antilambanomaste emeis. Ena sxedio to opoio, afenos qa anadeiknyei to politiko stigma gia tis kateyqynseis ths Elladas sta epomena xronia kai afeteroy qa dinei mia poly sygkekrimenh kai ypeyqynh apanthsh stis anagkes poy exei shmera h xwra mas se olh thn ektash ths (stis nhsiwtikes perioxes, toys oreinoys ogkoys, ta astika kentra) kai se diaforoys tomeis.

Meta thn ypobolh aytoy toy prwtoy sxedioy h Oikonomikh kai Koinwnikh Epitroph qa syzhthsei me diaforoys foreis, prokeimenoy na ypobaloyn tis protaseis toys gia thn ekponhsh toy programmatos. H diadikasia twn sxetikwn syzhthsewn pisteyoyme oti qa oloklhrwqei meta apo peripoy eji mhnes, wste stis arxes toy 1999 na exoyme ena peripoy teliko sxedio to opoio qa apasxolhsei pleon thn Kybernhsh, se ychlo epipedo, sto plaisio toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai twn allwn kybernhtikwn organwn, wste mesa sto 1999 na exoyme diatypwsei thn protash ths xwras mas gia ta erga kai tis alles draseis (anaptyjiaka erga, paragwgikes kai koinwnikes prwtoboylies) poy prepei na perilhfqoyn sto G` KPS.

Einai para poly shmantikh -opws antilambaneste- ayth h proetoimasia. Den akoloyqhqhke sta dyo prohgoymena KPS. Pisteyoyme oti h egkairh proetoimasia ths xwras mas qa odhghsei sthn me ton kalytero dynato tropo ajiopoihsh twn porwn poy qa exoyme sth diaqesh mas mesw toy G` KPS, apo to 2000 ews to 2006.

Shmera, syzhthsame, epishs, to qema ths epitelikhs parakoloyqhshs twn ergwn. Egine mia enhmerwsh gia thn prwtoboylia, thn opoia eixe analabei o Prwqypoyrgos ton Oktwbrio toy 1997, otan diapistwqhke oti den yparxei mia safhs kai plhrhs eikona gia thn ejelijh twn ergwn poy ginontai se olh thn Ellada. Apofasisthke, loipon, na dhmioyrghqei mia epitelikh omada h opoia qa parakoloyqei thn ejelijh twn ergwn aytwn. Hdh, sthn Ellada briskontai shmera se ejelijh 20.000 ergolabies. H omada ayth parakoloyqei 4.300 erga, ta opoia einai erga eite toy KPS, eite xrhmatodotoyntai apo to Programma Dhmosiwn Ependysewn. To ycos twn dapanwn gia ta erga ayta jeperna hdh ta tria trisekatommyria draxmes. An prosqesoyme kai ta tmhmata twn megalwn ergwn, ta opoia einai se ejelijh, mporoyme na poyme oti sto synolo toys ta erga ayta aforoyn dapanes poy jepernoyn ta pente trisekatommyria draxmes.

H drash ayth einai para poly shmantikh. Prwton, giati dinei th dynatothta na entopizontai egkaira nomikes h oikonomikes apokliseis apo ton arxiko sxediasmo twn ergwn, wste na mporoyme me egkaires parembaseis na probainoyme stis aparaithtes diorqwseis. Deyteron, kaqistoyn dynato ton elegxo ws pros to an einai enarmonismena me to plaisio ekteleshs twn dhmosiwn ergwn poy exoyme apofasisei ta erga ayta kai o tropos me ton opoion ejelissontai. Kai, triton, parakoloyqeitai kai ajiologeitai h poiothta twn yphresiwn, h apodotikothta twn organismwn, twn forewn poy emplekontai sthn anaptyjh aytwn twn ergwn.

Ta erga, poy parakoloyqoyntai apo thn omada ayth, den anhkoyn se ola ta ypoyrgeia. H prospaqeia mas einai na entaxqoyn s` ayto to systhma parakoloyqhshs kai ta erga twn allwn ypoyrgeiwn poy den parakoloyqoyntai shmera. Kai s` ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kinhqoyme.

* Kata th shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy egine, epishs, dekth h protash toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs Eyaggeloy Giannopoyloy, gia tis proagwges sta anwtata dikasthria. Exei kanei sxetikes anakoinwseis o k. Giannopoylos kai exei dwsei ta onomata twn proaxqentwn. H protash toy k. Giannopoyloy egine omofwna dekth apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KOGIANNHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw dyo pragmata. Prwton, poio einai to synoliko kondyli poy qa eisreysei sthn Ellada apo to G` KPS kai deyteron, h ektimhsh gia thn parakoloyqhsh alla kai gia thn poreia ths ejelijhs twn ergwn, poia einai;

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, den einai eykolo ayth thn wra na anaferqoyme se sygkekrimeno xrhmatiko poso. Ta trisekatommyria draxmes poy qa exoyme sth diaqesh mas apo to "paketo Santer" einai shmantika, gia na kalycoyn tis anaptyjiakes anagkes ths xwras ta epomena xronia. Qeloyme thn kalyterh dynath ajiopoihsh twn xrhmatwn aytwn. Pantws, to ycos toys qa kineitai peripoy sta epipeda sta opoia kinhqhke kai to B` KPS. Oson afora twra thn ejelijh twn ergwn, prepei na pw, gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh, oti shmera den syzhthsame kai den ajiologhsame thn ejelijh twn megalwn h kapoiwn allwn ergwn. Syzhthsame eidika gi` ayto to systhma to opoio egkaqidrysame, gia na parakoloyqoyme kai ajiologoyme to pws ejelissontai ta erga. Ara, loipon, den egine syzhthsh gia ta erga ayta, kaq` eayta.

MOYRTZHS: To erwthma moy einai, an exei ginei kapoia apologistikh meleth gia to B` Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs kai apo poion;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn ajiologhsh, giati peri aytoy prokeitai, ths ejelijhs twn ergwn poy anhkoyn sto B` KPS, diaforoi foreis, oi opoioi meletoyn ayto to qema, diatypwnoyn tis apoceis toys. Metajy allwn, to KEPE exei diatypwsei apoch. Symfwnhqhke, shmera, kaqe Ypoyrgeio na oloklhrwsei thn ajiologhsh, oson afora ta erga poy einai entagmena sto B` KPS kai anhkoyn sth dikh toy armodiothta, prokeimenoy, se mia epomenh fash, na ginei syzhthsh me prwtoboylia poy qa analabei o Prwqypoyrgos, se epipedo Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, gia thn politikh, pleon, ajiologhsh kai thn ejagwgh twn analogwn symperasmatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Posoi parelhfqhsan gia na proaxqei o k. Stergiopoylos;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw akribws ton ariqmo. Exei akoloyqhqei mia diadikasia h opoia threitai apo thn Kybernhsh. Dikastes oi opoioi prokeitai na syntajiodothqoyn entos twn epomenwn dyo etwn na mhn krinontai proakteoi. Einai kati to opoio kai sto parelqon akoloyqhqhke ws ena apo ta krithria. Elhfqh ypoch kai shmera, prokeimenoy to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio na kanei tis epiloges gia thn kalych twn kenwn qesewn sta tria anwtata dikasthria. Kai bebaiws, epaijan rolo kai ta krithria ta opoia lambanontai ypoch, opws einai h katartish, h ajiosynh, to hqos, to kyros twn dikastwn, prokeimenoy na eishghqei analogws o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs kai na apofasisei, sxetika, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, epaije rolo kai h kommatikh taytothta;

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh. Ayto einai kati to opoio oydepote Kybernhseis toy PASOK to ejetazan, prokeimenoy na laboyn sxetikes apofaseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, k. Ypoyrge, parelhfqhsan kapoy 14 atoma. Den sas apasxolei;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa.

MIXAHL: O Prwqypoyrgos, arxikws, ekane kamia genikh politikh epishmansh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPA: O Prwqypoyrgos ekane dyo sxolia: To ena exei sxesh me th diadikasia twn proslhcewn. Epeidh, akribws, apo polles pleyres diatypwnontai aitiaseis gia thn aneparkeia ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai thn ypobaqmish ths apotelesmatikothtas ths, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei stis apaithseis twn kairwn, kai gia thn anagkh newn proslhceis ejeidikeymenwn stelexwn kai episthmonwn sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane mneia mias egkyklioy poy exei ekdwsei o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, opoy para polla qemata, sxetika me tis proslhceis, ryqmizontai kai aposafhnizontai. To allo sxolio afora th stash twn Ypoyrgwn, oson afora qemata ta opoia apoteloyn antikeimeno armodiothtwn poy jepernoyn ta oria enos Ypoyrgeioy. Eipwqhke, xarakthristika, oti qa prepei na eimaste para poly feidwloi kai prosektikoi stis dhmosies anakoinwseis mas gia qemata epi twn opoiwn den exoyn lhfqei oi telikes apofaseis ths Kybernhshs. Qa prepei gia ola ayta ta qemata na oloklhrwnetai o kyklos ejetashs toys apo toys synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys h toys synergates toys. Kai otan, pleon, ta kybernhtika organa exoyn labei th sxetikh apofash, tote qa einai prepon na probainoyn oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi stis sxetikes anakoinwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se poioys, sygkekrimena, Ypoyrgoys anaferqhke;

REPPAS: Einai mia genikh anafora. O Prwqypoyrgos exei epishmanei to qema ayto me epistolh poy exei steilei palaiotera. Anefere ena sygkekrimeno paradeigma, shmera, sxetika me thn aposyrsh twn epibatikwn aytokinhtwn. Eipe oti einai ena qema poly shmantiko, to opoio mas apasxolei, to ejetazoyme. Einai ena qema gia to opoio h Kybernhsh qa anakoinwsei thn telikh qesh ths, sto plaisio enos synoloy metrwn, epeidh, akribws, prepei h politikh poy qa diatypwsoyme gia kaqe qema na einai plhrhs kai safhs. Na mhn einai spasmwdikh kai peristasiakh.

KIAOS: Mhpws afora kai th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Laliwth oti den symfwnei me to nomosxedio toy k. Dry gia tis katapathseis;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den anaferqhke sto qema ayto. To sygkekrimeno ayto qema apasxolei ta synarmodia Ypoyrgeia. Apotelei antikeimeno syzhthshs. Pisteyw oti h prwtoboylia thn opoia, telikws, qa analabei h Kybernhsh qa antapokrinetai stis pragmatikes anagkes ths xwras kai qa antimetwpizei tis dysleitoyrgies, oi opoies yparxoyn edw kai arketo kairo, me apotelesma afenos, polloi sympolites mas na talaipwroyntai xwris logo kai afeteroy, na diathreitai se ekkremothta, gia para polla xronia, ena kaqestws asafeias, to opoio prepei epiteloys na antimetwpisoyme. Blepete h dikh mas Kybernhsh kaleitai na antimetwpisei seira qematwn, ta opoia epi para polla xronia, paremeinan limnazonta. Giati oydeis eixe thn tolmh h to qarros h th skech na ta antimetwpisei.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh ki eseis kapoia stigmh anaferqhkate stis anagkes ths ellhnikhs koinwnias ta epomena xronia, qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Pera apo tis anagkes poy qa "klhqei" na ikanopoihsei to G` KPS, mhpws epishmanqhke sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h apoysia programmatos strathgikhs anaptyjhs; Egine, dhladh, logos gia xwrotajiko sxediasmo ths anaptyjhs, na to pw etsi, pio apla;

REPPAS: Diatypwqhkan diafores apoceis. Oydeis eipe oti den yparxei sxedio anaptyjiako. Oloi, omws, epishmanan, o kaqenas me to diko toy tropo, kai ypo to prisma twn armodiothtwn toy, pws qa prepei na ajiopoihsoyme ayth thn eykairia poy mas parexetai sto plaisio toy G` KPS, wste na mhn epanalhfqoyn fainomena toy parelqontos. Dhladh, oi draseis, oi opoies qa xrhmatodothqoyn, na briskontai se armonia h mia me thn allh, na mhn einai apokommenes, wste to anaptyjiako sxedio na einai, sto megisto dynato baqmo, apotelesmatiko, gia to kalo ths xwras. Giati exoyme polles periptwseis, opoy sta prohgoymena KPS symperilhfqhkan erga, ta opoia den apoteloysan tipota allo, para to apotelesma piesewn pelateiakoy xarakthra pros toys politikoys poy elaban tis apofaseis h mia epilogh ergwn poy antapokrinontan se sygkekrimena kai idiwtika symferonta h symferonta katoikwn orismenwn perioxwn. Ayta ta fainomena oloi ta kaythriasan kai den qa prepei na epanalhfqoyn. Gi` ayto, akribws, oloi eipame oti qa prepei na lhfqei ypoch h kaqe parametros kai kaqe Ypoyrgeio apo th dikh toy pleyra kaleitai na syneisferei, prokeimenoy na einai plhres ayto to sxedio.

ELENOPOYLOS: Mporw na symperanw, dhladh, apo thn apanthsh sas oti h Kybernhsh ektima pws diaqetei, hdh, sxedio anaptyjhs;

REPPAS: Asfalws diaqetei sxedio anaptyjhs h Kybernhsh ki ayto einai emfanes. Allwste, an den yphrxe tetoio sxedio, den qa htan dynato na epityxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys oi opoioi exoyn, hdh, epiteyxqei, pragma to opoio martyroyn, afenos oi adiaceystoi deiktes, oson afora sygkekrimena megeqh kai afeteroy to epipedo zwhs to opoio exei katakthsei o Ellhnas poliths.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me kathgorhmatiko tropo, prin apo ligo diasthma kai arketes fores sto parelqon, h Kybernhsh aperrice to aithma gia thn paragrafh twn adikhmatwn twn agrotwn. Ejaggelqhke oti h Kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei se ryqmish. Ta erwthmata moy einai dyo: Prwton, efoson h Kybernhsh qelei na proxwrhsei s' ayth th ryqmish kai na einai eilikrinhs s' ayto to opoio...

REPPAS: Otan lete "ejaggelqhke" mporeite na eiste pio sygkekrimenos;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Malista. O k. Tzoymakas, shmera sth Boylh, eipe oti qa yparjei ryqmish gia ayto to qema.

REPPAS: Malista.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To prwto moy erwthma: Giati loipon h Kybernhsh den kanei dektes, tis tropologies poy hdh yparxoyn, edw kai arketo kairo, apo to synolo sxedon ths antipoliteyshs; Kai to deytero erwthma moy: Qa hqela, efoson ginetai, me enan peistiko tropo na apodesmeysete, an mporeite, ayth thn kinhsh ths Kybernhshs shmera, apo tis eperxomenes dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges.

REPPAS: Prwton, oson afora th ryqmish, den mas briskei symfwnoys to periexomeno thn tropologiwn poy exoyn kataqesei afenos h N. D. kai afeteroy to Kommoynistiko Komma. Poly perissotero -kai ayto einai to deytero shmeio to opoio tonizw- epeidh enantion agrotwn, oi opoioi symmeteixan se aytes tis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis, exoyn strafei xrhsimopoiwntas ta endika bohqhmata poy exoyn sth diaqesh toys kai idiwtes, opws epishs kai diaforoi organismoi toy dhmosioy. H Kybernhsh, loipon, den einai dynaton na dextei, ryqmizontas mesw ths Boylhs th sxetikh ekkremothta, na ypokatasthsei toys idiwtikoys foreis, syllogikoys h fysika proswpa, ta opoia exoyn qigei h pisteyoyn oti ypesthsan blabh ta symferonta toys apo tis kinhtopoihseis aytes. Kai ayto, epeidh, akribws, sto plaisio mias eynomoymenhs politeias o kaqe poliths qa prepei na analambanei tis eyqynes toy. Emeis, ws Kybernhsh, exoyme na antimetwpisoyme ena qema to opoio einai shmantiko, mas apasxolei, qa kanoyme to kalytero dynato, xwris omws -epanalambanw- na diasaleyetai ayto to pneyma to opoio prepei na epikratei: Ena pneyma eynomias, dikaiosynhs, eyryqmias sthn koinwnia, poy oloi exoyme ypoxrewsh na to sebomaste kai na to diasfalizoyme. Pragma to opoio dystyxws den ginetai.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate.

REPPAS: Pws den sas apanthsa; Apolytws sas apanthsa.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Afhsate ena anoixto endexomeno, ap' oti katalaba. Oi prosfyges twn idiwtwn kai twn dhmosiwn forewn kata twn agrotwn den entassontai sto plaisio ths ryqmishs. Antelhfqhn kalws;

REPPAS: Antilhfqhkate poly kala: H Kybernhsh asxoleitai me ayto to qema kai qa analabei sxetikh prwtoboylia, opws eipe kai o armodios Ypoyrgos. Alla, anefera epishs kai kapoia xarakthristika gia na tonisw th shmasia poy exei, h ryqmish ayth na einai ryqmish dikaih. Kai bebaia mia tetoia ryqmish den exei sxesh me thn protash poy exoyn ypobalei kommata ths antipoliteyshs.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa moy apanthsete, epishs, giati twra kai giati prin apo ligo kairo legate "oxi" kai poso ayto syndeetai -an oxi peste mas, ejhgeiste mas giati den syndeetai- me tis ekloges poy erxontai;

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh me tis eklogikes diadikasies. An ayto exei kapoia sxesh me tis eklogikes diadikasies, tote mporw na pw abiasta oti poly perissoterh sxesh me tis eklogikes diadikasies exei h ypokritikh prwtoboylia poy anelaban h N. D. kai to K. K. E., poy epanerxontai twra me ayton ton tropo, enocei twn eklogikwn diadikasiwn, gia na poylhsoyn filoagrotismo, otan den exoyn kanei tipota, prokeimenoy na bohqhsoyn toys agrotes na beltiwsoyn to epipedo ths zwhs toys. H stash ths Kybernhshs apodeiknyei pws me ypeyqynothta xeirizetai ena qema to opoio apasxolei para polloys sympolites mas kai o xeirismos ths Kybernhshs einai tetoios poy den qa odhghsei se blabh symferontwn sympolitwn mas prokeimenoy na eynohqoyn kapoioi. H Kybernhsh qelei, h ryqmish ayth na xarakthrizetai apo pneyma dikaiosynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporei na mas pei h Kybernhsh ti qa ginei me thn Olympiakh gia na mhn ginomaste dieqnws rezili;

REPPAS: Yparxei ena programma ejygianshs to opoio efarmozetai. Prepei na poyme oti oi dysleitoyrgies ston eqniko aerometaforea gennoyn apaisiodojes skeceis. Oloi problhmatizomaste. Den einai eyxaristh ejelijh ayth. Qa prepei kai oi ergazomenoi na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys, na yperaspistoyn ola ayta ta opoia apofasise h Boylh, giati ayta ta opoia apofasise h Boylh apoteloyn to dromo gia na anakamcei h O. A. kai na ginei antagwnistikh. Dystyxws, apexei para poly apo to na pei kaneis oti einai konta s' ayto to stoxo. H O. A. omws exei th dynatothta -pisteyoyme emeis- me th symbolh kyriws twn ergazomenwn s' ayth, na epanapokthsei th qesh thn opoia eixe allote.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mas eipate, ti qa ginei; Ti qa ginei m' ayto poy ginetai kaqe mera sta aerodromia;

REPPAS: Ayto poy ginetai kaqe mera sta aerodromia poikilei. Gnwrizete oti otan yparxei megalh kykloforia h megalh piesh apo to epibatiko koino poy metakineitai me thn O. A. exoyme kaqysterhseis kai talaipwreitai, dystyxws, to koino kai lypoymeqa gi' ayto. Alles hmeres pali, ta pragmata leitoyrgoyn poly pio eyryqma. Ayto to opoio qa ginei einai na oloklhrwqei h efarmogh aytoy toy programmatos kai prepei sthn kateyqynsh ayth na symbaloyn kai oi ergazomenoi. H Kybernhsh antapokriqhke stis ypoxrewseis tis opoies ejhggeile kai anelabe. Qa prepei to idio na kanei kai h pleyra twn ergazomenwn. Den to exei kanei sto baqmo poy mporei kai prepei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sth Boylh perase kai elege entos dyo mhnwn. Perasan oi dyo mhnes. Ti qa ginei;

REPPAS: H anafora htan gia to geniko kanonismo proswpikoy kai tis alles allages. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti qa erqei to plhrwma toy xronoy poy qa ajiologhqei -den apexei allwste para poly- to pws ejelixthke ayto to programma ejygianshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, den exei ginei tipota.

REPPAS: Den exei erqei ayth h xronikh stigmh. Den argei omws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote qa erqei.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh ejetazontas to pws ejelixthke ayto to programma ejygianshs, qa parei tis apofaseis ths gia to kalytero dynato, oson afora thn O. A. Alla, kaloyme kai pali toys ergazomenoys na bohqhsoyn s' ayth thn kateyqynsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas lew kyrie Ypoyrge, pote; Den moy lete to pote.

REPPAS: Den yparxei pote, giati den exoyme labei apofash pote qa kanoyme ayth th ajiologhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai qa synexizetai ayto to "mpaxalo" kaqe mera;

REPPAS: Den qa elega oti prepei na to onomasete etsi. Nomizw oti yparxoyn hmeres poy h O. A. leitoyrgei kanonika, yparxoyn hmeres poy pragmatika aporyqmizetai h leitoyrgia toy eqnikoy aerometaforea. Den qa hqela na eiste mhdenistes. Antilambaneste ta problhmata ta opoia yparxoyn. Einai se mia dinh h O. A. Mhn epimenete, loipon, en qermw kai ayth thn wra, sth mesh dhladh ths toyristikhs periodoy, h Kybernhsh na labei apofaseis oi opoies qa dhmioyrghsoyn perissotera problhmata ap` ayta ta opoia qa epidiwjoyn na lysoyn. Eimai nomizw para poly safhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti perissotero kyrie Ypoyrge apo to jylo poy epese shmera; Eidate ti egine shmera; Exete enhmerwqei; Epese jylo shmera. Egw ayta eida.

REPPAS: Dystyxws ayta ta fainomena twn biaiopragiwn kai twn kakopoihsewn sympolitwn mas ta zoyme entona thn teleytaia periodo. Ta zhsame stis kinhtopoihseis twn ekpaideytikwn. Ta zhsame, dystyxws, apo synadelfoys boyleytes. Ta zoyme kai se koinwnikoys xwroys opoy yparxei mia entash kai mia krish. Parakalw, loipon, na mhn eimaste toso adikoi...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton k. Kedikogloy lete;

REPPAS:... kai bebaiws na mhn yparxei eqismos, giati otan to teras pacei na mas tromazei shmainei oti toy moiazoyme arketa. Kai ayto qa prepei na to apofygoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia poioys boyleytes lete;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poia einai ta fainomena ths teleytaias periodoy ta opoia exoyn apasxolhsei idiaiterws kai ta M. M. E. Kai esas apasxolhsan para poly.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton k. Tsaklidh, lete, poy kynhgage ton diathth h gia ton k. Kedikogloy poy ktyphse ton Koraka;

REPPAS: Milw gia ola ta fainomena kai den ejairw kanena apo toys synadelfoys. Kakizw ayta ta fainomena apo opoiondhpote kai an proerxontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na periorisete thn boyleytikh asylia.

REPPAS: Den ftaiei o qesmos ths boyleytikhs asylias o opoios problepetai sta Syntagmata olwn twn prohgmenwn xwrwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An den eixate thn asylia den qa ginontan ayta.

REPPAS: Parakalw para poly. Den einai logiko na epitrecoyme pali th dhmioyrgia enos mesaiwna, opoy mesw kai ths diadikasias twn ceytomhnysewn polles fores, o enas qa strefetai enantion toy alloy. Shmera den apagoreyei o opoiosdhpote se ena boyleyth na chfisei yper ths arshs ths asylias synadelfoy toy an qewrei oti prepei na arqei h asylia toy synadelfoy boyleyth. To qema den einai o qesmos ths asylias. Einai h eyqynh poy prepei na exoyn oi idioi oi boyleytes, otan kaloyntai na chfisoyn epi sygkekrimenwn qematwn. Kai prepei kaqe periptwsh na krinetai me bash ta idiaitera stoixeia ta opoia th diepoyn.

G. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Kwnstantopoylos se mia synanthsh poy eixe shmera me ton Proedro ths Boylhs, ton k. Kaklamanh, proteine h epomenh chfoforia poy qa ginei se kapoia epomenh syzhthsh gia thn asylia twn boyleytwn, na einai fanerh chfoforia. Poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs gi' ayto;

REPPAS: Sas kanei entypwsh ayto; Ayto to exei proteinei o k. Giannopoylos edw kai mhnes otan ginotan syzhthsh sthn epitroph gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Perase;

REPPAS: Ma, ayto einai kati poy syzhteitai. Den exoyn lhfqei apofaseis. O k. Giannopoylos, exei proteinei h chfoforia na einai fanerh. O kaqenas, dhladh, na chfizei fanera kai na pairnei thn eyqynh ths chfoy toy. Ara, loipon, den einai o qesmos o opoios dhmioyrgei to problhma, einai aytoi oi opoioi kaloyntai na yphrethsoyn toys qesmoys.

ELENOPOYLOS: O k. Mhtsotakhs milwntas ej onomatos 50 boyleytwn ths N. D...

REPPAS: Gnwrizw tis dhlwseis toy. As analabei prwtoboylies sto plaisio twn koinoboyleytikwn diadikasiwn, symfwna me ta osa problepei kai o kanonismos ths Boylhs.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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