Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-06-15

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Ioynioy 1998

Geia sas. Kalh ebdomada.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw gia ayth th synenteyjh poy edwse o k. Pagkalos sthn "Tzoymxoyriet" kai leei pros toys Toyrkoys, "ean den dexeste ton ellhniko enaerio xwro twn deka naytikwn miliwn, kaqe mhna se kaqorismenes hmeromhnies, mporeite na kanete mia fora tetoies pthseis, me ton oro, omws, na dhlwsete ej arxhs giati to kanete.. Ean symbei ayto, qa ekleicoyn kai ta kaqhmerina dysaresta gegonota me tis anaxaitiseis". Dhladh, paraxwroyme to Aigaio etsi, mia fora to mhna;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto einai to diko sas symperasma. Mporeite na moy ypobalete thn erwthsh sas;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai.

AQANASAKHS: Ta symperasmata sas ta grafete sthn efhmerida.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas lew, ayto poy eipe o k. Pagkalos, einai apofash ths Kybernhshs;

AQANASAKHS: Anafereste, loipon, se mia synenteyjh toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Pagkaloy, arketa ektetamenh, sthn "Tzoymxoyriet", to plhres keimeno ths opoias mporei na einai sth diaqesh sas, se metafrash, apo tis dikes mas yphresies. Anafereste se ena eidiko shmeio, se mia apanthsh, h opoia den eimai bebaios ean exei apodoqei lejh pros lejh, akribws. Den einai ekei, omws, to qema. Mporw na sas pw pws exoyn ta pragmata. Sth synenteyjh tiqetai synolika to qema twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Tonizetai rhta oti to mono qema poy yparxei anoixto pros syzhthsh einai to qema ths yfalokrhpidas. Tiqetai to qema twn 10 miliwn. Kai sth syzhthsh gia ta Metra Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs kai to erwthma an ayta lynoyn to problhma, afoy apantatai oti den lynoyn to problhma ta MOE, mpainei mia anafora gia to pws, mesa se olo ayto to klima sto opoio zoyn oi dyo xwres, qa mporoyse na yparxoyn mikroteres entaseis. Einai, pisteyw, laqos na apomonwnetai mia paragrafos kai na proballetai kai malista me tropo, ws na htan dynato o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn na paraxwrei otidhpote. Oydeis Ellhn Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai kamia ellhnikh Kybernhsh den mporei, den prokeitai na paraxwrhsei otidhpote.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den to eipe etsi;

AQANASAKHS: Xwris na mporw ayth th stigmh na elegjw ean h lejh pros lejh apodosh einai swsth, parakalw na deite olo to plaisio ths synenteyjhs toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kai qa diapistwsete oti den prokyptei to symperasma, to opoio nwritera paroysiasthke.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, egw sthrixqhka sto thlegrafhma toy Aqhnaikoy Praktoreioy Eidhsewn. Ayto metedwse...

AQANASAKHS: Den sas lew oti to thlegrafhma toy Aqhnaikoy Praktoreioy einai laqos. Kratw mia epifylajh gia to ean lejh pros lejh apodoqhke h synenteyjh swsta sthn efhmerida kai oxi gia to thlegrafhma toy APE. To plhres keimeno ths, omws, mporeite na to exete, oytws h allws.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Apo poy;

AQANASAKHS: Apo mas. Den to exw ayth th stigmh, alla, qa zhthsw apo thn Yphresia na perilhfqei sto Deltio Toyrkikoy Typoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai ekei perilhch yparxei, kyrie Genike; Den qa einai mot-a-mot.

AQANASAKHS: Eixa sta xeria moy mia ektetamenh apomagnhtofwnhsh. Den mporw na elegjw proswpika, ws mh gnwsths ths toyrkikhs, ean einai to plhres keimeno. Omws, htan oloklhrh h synenteyjh, nomizw.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: As mh meinoyme sth lejh pros lejh apodosh toy keimenoy. Epi ths oysias, ti proteinei o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, ti proteinei h Kybernhsh gia th meiwsh ths entashs sto Aigaio;

AQANASAKHS: Sas apanthsa. Gia th meiwsh ths entashs sto Aigaio, gnwrizete para poly kala oti, molis prin apo ligo kairo, yphrje h sygkekrimenh ejelijh, me ta Metra Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs. Epi ths oysias, yparxei ayto. H ejelijh h opoia, molis prin apo merikes hmeres, yphrje, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy ginontan, sto plaisio toy NATO, me to Geniko Grammatea toy NATO. Den yparxei kati kainoyrgio, den yparxei kati perissotero.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Mia dieykrinish: Proteinoyme sygkekrimena mia fora to mhna h dyo fores to mhna, me kapoia prohgoymenh enhmerwsh na kanoyn parabiaseis oi Toyrkoi kai na toys anaxaitizoyme ekeines tis hmeres;

AQANASAKHS: Otan perigrafeis thn katastash poy yparxei sto Aigaio (opoy ana pasa stigmh yparxoyn parabaseis kai parabiaseis kai antistoixa, apo th dikh mas pleyra, panta yparxoyn anaxaitiseis) mia katastash, dhladh, h opoia dhmioyrgei kaqhmerina entaseis kai syzhtas gia to pws mporoyn aytes oi entaseis na meiwqoyn, xwris bebaiws, oi xwres na afistantai twn qesewn toys, mporei na yparjei mia antallagh diaforwn apocewn. Ayto den shmainei paraxwrhsh h egkataleich opoiasdhpote qeshs. Parakalw na janadeite th synenteyjh.

KIAOS: Mporeite to sygkekrimeno apospasma apo th synenteyjh na mas to moirasete, mot-a-mot, me thn epishmh metafrash, thn ellhnikh;

AQANASAKHS: Exw th metafrash ths dikhs mas Yphresias, toy ti dhmosieyqhke. Den exw thn apomagnhtofwnhsh ths synenteyjhs. Exw to ti dhmosieyqhke sthn efhmerida, to opoio mporw na sas dwsw.

KIAOS: Dhladh, qewreite oti ayto poy dhmosieyqhke den einai ayto poy eipe o Ypoyrgos;

AQANASAKHS: Eida mia dhlwsh, hdh, toy k. Mpika sthn efhmerida "TA NEA", o opoios htan parwn sth synenteyjh kai o opoios afhnei ena erwthmatiko se sxesh me thn akribh apodosh.

KIAOS: To problhma einai, emeis pws qa maqoyme, akribws, ti eipe;

AQANASAKHS: Janalew oti epi ths oysias, den yparxei kanena qema.

KIAOS: Allo ayto. Einai ermhneia...

AQANASAKHS: Ayth einai h ermhneia ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs.

KIAOS: Nai, alla prin na fqasoyme sthn ermhneia, qeloyme thn akribh dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy.

AQANASAKHS: Sas lew oti qa sas thn dwsoyme, opws dhmosieyqhke.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Eipate oti ta Metra Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs den lynoyn to problhma. Ti akribws ennoeite;

AQANASAKHS: Profanws den lynoyn to problhma ta MOE. Ta MOE dhmioyrgoyn ena klima poy parexei ena xwro hremoterhs leitoyrgias.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Poio problhma den lynoyn;

AQANASAKHS: Nomizw oti an anatrejete kai sta dika sas grapta, qa to diapistwsete kai qa aposyrete thn erwthsh sas. Profanws, to problhma twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. Epeidh htan toso safes, gi` ayto apanthsa, prohgoymenws, etsi.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Na synexisw se paraplhsio qema. Oi pyrayloi S-300, pote qa pane sthn Kypro kai me poio tropo; Ayto qa anakoinwqei apo thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh;

AQANASAKHS: To qema to xeirizetai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh kai ej oswn gnwrizw kai meta tis prosfates syskeceis toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy sthn Kypro, yparxei mia genikh apofash na mhn ginontai dhlwseis, gia ta qemata ayta. Egw den exw na anakoinwsw kati.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Thn erwthsh thn ekana gia ton ejhs logo: Prwton, yphrje anakoinwsh ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs mesw ths presbeias sthn 'Agkyra poy dieceyse dhmosieymata toy toyrkikoy Typoy peri hdh egkatastashs twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro. Kai deyteron, yphrxe dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynhs, o opoios epishs, diabebaiwse oti oi pyrayloi opwsdhpote qa pane sto nhsi. Synypologizontas ayta, einai logiko na perimenoyme anakoinwseis apo thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh sxetika me thn poreia egkatastashs twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro.

AQANASAKHS: Mporeite na synexisete na synypologizete ola ayta kai na perimenete o,ti einai logiko na perimenete.

MIXAHL: Ke Genike, mporeite na moy dwsete mia ermhneia dikh sas oxi toso gia to akribes periexomeno twn dhlwsewn toy k. Pagkaloy, oso gia to ti shmainei h dhlwsh ayth. Dhladh, o k. Pagkalos leei oti ean oi Toyrkoi qeloyn na kanoyn askhseis, mporoyn na dhlwnoyn mia fora to mhna, pente klp., kaqe mera, "qa kanoyme kapoies askhseis ekei entos twn 10 naytikwn miliwn". Katalabainw kala;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto oytws h allws ginetai, otan zhteitai h desmeysh sygkekrimenwn perioxwn gia askhseis. Yparxoyn kanones gia ola ayta.

MIXAHL: O k. Pagkalos leei safws, "mporeite na mas dhlwnete ek twn proterwn, poies meres qelete na kanete tis pthseis sas eseis, ypo ton oro na mas ejhgeite kai ton logo". Dhladh, ti shmainei ayto;

AQANASAKHS: Akoyste, giati den qelw na epimeinw apo thn pleyra moy sth synexish ayths ths syzhthshs, gia ton ejhs aplo logo: Yparxei to problhma twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn. To exoyme prosdiorisei, kata kairoys, epakribws kai to exoyme perigracei. Exoyme prosdiorisei thn proklhtikothta, exoyme prosdiorisei tis diekdikhseis, exoyme prosdiorisei thn tash ths Toyrkias gia allagh toy status quo sthn perioxh kai antistoixa exoyme perigracei thn ellhnikh stash kai tis ellhnikes apanthseis. Ayto einai ena synolo. Mesa s' ayto to synolo ginetai, edw kai arketo kairo, mia syzhthsh gia Metra Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs. Ayth eftase se kapoio shmeio. Pera apo ayto to shmeio, egine mia syzhthsh me aformh mia erwthsh se mia synenteyjh, gia mia eidikoterh prooptikh sth genikoterh syzhthsh gia ta Metra Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs. Alla, antilambaneste oti exw dikio na qewrw oti pame se ena poly epimeroys shmeio toy problhmatos kai dinoyme mia genikeysh poy den yparxei, an synexistei apo thn pleyra moy h syzhthsh ayth. Parakalw na anatrejete se prohgoymenes apanthseis.

SOYGLERHS: Ke Genike, shmera h efhmerida "ELEYQEROTYPIA", kanontas ena mini-gkalop, qa elege kaneis, rwtwntas 10 stelexh toy PASOK, diapistwnei oti h Kybernhsh ton teleytaio kairo den paei kala. Alloi miloyn gia anasxhmatismo, alloi miloyn gia allagh politikhs, alloi gia ektakto synedrio. Symmerizetai h Kybernhsh aytes tis ektimhseis twn stelexwn toy PASOK;

AQANASAKHS: Nomizw oti einai poly elleiptikh, opws thn kanete, h paroysiash twn 10 topoqethsewn. Kai epeidh ypoqetw oti, tis epomenes hmeres mporei na yparjoyn kai alles topoqethseis, an ejagoyme to geniko symperasma oti h Kybernhsh den paei kala, mporei na odhghqoyme se laqos. H Kybernhsh paei kala. H Kybernhsh mporei na paei kalytera. Ayto apasxolei ola ta stelexh kai einai logiko na mas apasxolei. H Kybernhsh exei ena sygkekrimeno programma to opoio efarmozei, sygkekrimenoys stoxoys toys opoioys exei anakoinwsei kai toys opoioys qa epityxei sthn poreia pros to 2000, poy einai h epomenh eklogikh anametrhsh.

MIXAHL: Shmera, teleytaia hmera toy diagwnismoy gia tis proslhceis kaqhghtwn, eixame jana epeisodia. Qelw na moy peite, an h Kybernhsh qewrei oti exei politikh eyqynh apo olo to klima entashs poy yparxei.

AQANASAKHS: H Kybernhsh exei politikh eyqynh giati prospaqei, me kaqe tropo, na efarmostei o nomos kai na diasfalistei to dikaiwma se 46.500 ypochfioys ekpaideytikoys poy zhthsan na paroyn meros sto diagwnismo, na paroyn meros sto diagwnismo;

MIXAHL: An rwtate emena, mporw na sas apanthsw, alla apeyqynw thn erwthsh se esas.

AQANASAKHS: Qetw qewrhtika ena erwthma gia na eisagw to deytero skelos ths apanthshs moy. Den einai qema politikhs eyqynhs ths Kybernhshs, profanws. Shmera ta epeisodia htan poly ligotera. H katastash htan pio hremh. H symmetoxh, genika, sto diagwnismo prepei na kineitai se pososto kai panw apo to 60%. Oloklhrwnontai shmera aytes oi diadikasies, para tis probleceis diaforwn kai para tis prospaqeies diaforwn. Brisketai se ejelijh mia metarryqmistikh tomh sto xwro ths Paideias, idiaitera shmantikh. Gia th shmasia ths h Kybernhsh exei milhsei epaneilhmmena. Ena tmhma ayths ths metarryqmishs einai o tropos epiloghs twn kaqhghtwn. Kai apenanti sto systhma ths epethridas, yperaspistes toy opoioy paramenoyn -kakws kata thn apoch mas- kapoioi, h Kybernhsh proxwrei me systhma ajiokratias kai diafaneias gia thn epilogh twn katallhloterwn ekpaideytikwn. H diadikasia ayth oloklhrwnetai shmera, mesa stis synqhkes poy yphrxan, me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Qa prokycoyn apo ayth th diadikasia oi proslhceis twn newn ekpaideytikwn. Kai qa synexistei h politikh ths Kybernhshs sto xwro ths Paideias, opws exei prosdioristei kai opws exei chfistei apo to ellhniko Koinoboylio.

MIXAHL: H politikh eyqynh ths Kybernhshs den exei na kanei mono me to an "den" efarmozetai o nomos alla exei na kanei kai me to ean efarmozetai swsta. Dhladh, poios einai telos pantwn o ypeyqynos politikos poy ayto to nomo poy chfisthke qa ton efarmosei h den qa ton efarmosei; Poios analambanei to kerdos h th zhmia ayths ths prospaqeias;

AQANASAKHS: Prospaqw na katalabw ti akribws zhtate na sas apanthsw. Dioti h Kybernhsh ayto poy anelabe kai dhlwse oti qa diasfalisei, htan h diejagwgh toy diagwnismoy. Kai ayto egine. Yphrjan epimeroys problhmata kata th diejagwgh toy diagwnismoy, problhmata poy proekycan apo thn prosfygh sth bia mikrwn meiochfiwn poy apofasisan me ayton ton tropo na antitaxqoyn sthn efarmogh toy nomoy. Den epiteyxqhkan oi stoxoi toys. Antiqetws, epiteyxqhke h oloklhrwsh toy diagwnismoy, me ton kalytero dynato tropo, mesa stis sygkekrimenes synqhkes.

KIAOS: Qewreite oti thrhqhkan oles oi diadikasies, wste na mhn eystaqoyn enstaseis gia thn egkyrothta toy diagwnismoy;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto poy mporw na sas pw, einai oti o diagwnismos qewreitai se o,ti mas afora, apolytws egkyros. Einai mia diadikasia h opoia ginetai katw apo thn eyqynh toy ASEP. Mporw, epishs na sas pw, oti epanalhch toy diagwnismoy den problepetai. Kai apo kei kai pera, atomikes periptwseis kai sygkekrimena memonwmena problhmata mporei, bebaiws na ejetastoyn kai na antimetwpistoyn sto plaisio twn nomwn. H egkyrothta synolika toy diagwnismoy den amfisbhteitai.

KAMPOYRIANH: Tiqetai qema diejagwghs symplhrwmatikoy diagwnismoy gi' aytoys poy den mporesan na paroyn meros;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw tetoia plhroforia kai den qa to elega etsi. Den exw apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kapoia qesh gia symplhrwmatiko diagwnismo. O diagwnismos aytos problepetai kaqe dyo eth. Dhlwsan symmetoxh 46.500. Phran meros perissoteroi apo 26.000. Problepetai o diorismos 5.000 ews 6.000, an qymamai kala, kai oi pinakes isxyoyn gia dyo xronia. Yparxoyn epimeroys kathgories eidikothtwn gia tis opoies mporoyn na problefqoyn alles diadikasies. Qa hqela, omws, gia ola ayta na perimenete ews ayrio, opote meta thn oloklhrwsh toy diagwnismoy o Ypoyrgos Paideias k. Ger. Arsenhs qa dwsei synenteyjh Typoy, kai qa exete oles tis apanthseis. Den exw omws klima symplhrwmatikoy diagwnismoy. Den einai sto plaisio toy nomoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ke Genike, me aytoys poy den mporesan na pane, ti qa ginei;

AQANASAKHS: Ennoeite oti yparxoyn kapoia atoma poy den toys afhsan na mpoyn gia na diagwnistoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, poy den toys afhsan, aytoys poy den mporesan epeidh den yphrxe prospelash. Ti qa ginei me aytoys;

AQANASAKHS: Qa ejetastoyn oi sygkekrimenes periptwseis, ypoqetw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote;

AQANASAKHS: Yparxoyn zhthmata atomikwn prosfygwn se ena diagwnismo. Egw apantw gia to diagwnismo synolika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn, omws, hdh atomikes prosfyges.

AQANASAKHS: Qa doyme ti qa yparjei, qa doyme pws qa yposthrixtei, poia qa einai h aitiologia. Yparxei h diadikasia twn dikasthriwn, yparxei h diadikasia ths ektimhshs kai ajiologhshs kaqe problhmatos. Kai afoy ajiologhqei kaqe problhma, apofasizeis kai poia lysh dineis.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei periptwsh na dhmioyrghqei kapoio Tameio to opoio na perilambanei tis DEKO kai tis Trapezes;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, den yparxei tetoio qema. Den yparxei qema koinoy Tameioy DEKO kai Trapezwn. Yparxei qema -kai exei anakoinwqei- koinoy Tameioy twn trapezoypallhlwn. Den perilambanotan, allwste, tetoia protash gia koino Tameio DEKO-Trapezwn kai sto porisma ths episthmonikhs epitrophs, me bash to opoio exei proxwrhsei o Ypoyrgos Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn stis ews twra anakoinwseis toy kai sth diamorfwsh toy sxedioy nomoqetikoy plaisioy.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Shmera to Xrhmatisthrio eixe mia megalh ptwsh. Pws to ektima ayto h Kybernhsh;

AQANASAKHS: Ejartatai apo to poia mera blepei kaneis ws afethria gia na metrhsei ptwsh h anodo. An qelete na paroyme to geniko deikth sth diarkeia toy etoys h sth diarkeia toy mhnos mporoyme na diapistwsoyme poly megalh anodo sto Ellhniko Xrhmatisthrio. H ptwsh mias hmeras, mporei na mh shmainei tipota. Egw den eimai gia na dhlwsw apo edw an einai fysiologikh h oxi ayth h ptwsh. Exoyme omws janadei hmeres me ptwseis kai exoyn akoloyqhsei hmeres anodoy. Sas lew oti h poreia sto Ellhniko Xrhmatisthrio kai o deikths opws ejelissetai einai se diarkh troxia anodoy. O deikths persi htan sto 1300 kai syzhtoysame ean qa ftasei sto 1500 kai shmera syzhtoyme, otan katebainei katw apo to 2.500. Kai o deikths, an qelete na paw kai arketa xronia pisw sto 1993, htan kapoy sto 500, katw apo 500, an kala qymamai. Loipon, parakalw, ayta na ta blepete ligo synolikotera. Kata ta alla, ola ayta panta parakoloyqoyntai.

TOYMASHS: Shmera to prwi, stis 8, h Ellada symmetexei se natoikh askhsh, ekfobismoy h proeidopoihshs, opws exei xarakthristei, pros ton Milosebits gia to qema toy Kossyfopedioy. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h ellhnikh symmetoxh shmainei kai aytonohth symmetoxh ths Ellados an ginei polemikh epixeirhsh eis baros ths Serbias.

AQANASAKHS: H Ellada symmeteixe me dyo aeroskafh sth natoikh askhsh, h opoia diejagetai, opws ayth apofasisthke kai den kanw xrhsh twn epiqetikwn prosdiorismwn poy xrhsimopoihsate sthn erwthsh sas. Se ayth thn askhsh symmetexei h Ellada, shmera, epishmainontas panta, me idiaiterh epimonh, thn anagkh ejantlhshs olwn twn meswn gia thn ejeyresh mias diplwmatikhs lyshs sto qema ayto poy apasxolei idiaitera kai talaipwrei thn perioxh. Prepei na kataballetai kaqe prospaqeia gia thn epiteyjh diplwmatikhs lyshs.

KIAOS: An apofasistei, gia opoiondhpote logo, apo ena organo dieqnes, apo ton OHE p. x., epembash qa metasxei s` ayth thn istoria h Ellada;

AQANASAKHS: Emeis eyxomaste na mhn xreiastei na lhfqei mia tetoia apofash. Kai nomizw oti s` ayto mporoyme na meinoyme, shmera.

KIAOS: Den to apokleiete, dhladh;

AQANASAKHS: Den hmoyn safhs;

KARELIAS: Kyrie Genike, gnwrizete na mas peite ean prokeitai o Prwqypoyrgos na zhthsei chfo empistosynhs apo th Boylh;

AQANASAKHS: Den nomizw oti yparxei tetoio qema. Exei amfisbhthqei h empistosynh pros thn Kybernhsh apo to synolo ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, dhladh, apo mia eyreia, isxyrh koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia; Oxi, kaqe allo. Den yparxei tetoio qema.

SOYGLERHS: Yparxei krish shmera sthn Kybernhsh, k. Genike;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi. Sto telos ths shmerinhs enhmerwshs me rwtate an yparxei krish sthn Kybernhsh; Pws proekyce ayto;

SOYGLERHS: Nai, twra meta thn erwthsh toy k. Karelia.

AQANASAKHS: Mporeite na kanete ligo pio sygkekrimenh thn erwthsh gia na mporesw na apanthsw;

SOYGLERHS: Dierxetai politikh krish h Kybernhsh ayth thn periodo;

AQANASAKHS: Ayth thn periodo h ayth thn wra, meta thn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy. Elpizw na mhn exw dhmioyrghsei egw thn... krish, otan lete "twra".

SOYGLERHS: Aythn thn periodo. Egine twra h erwthsh, alla milame, ean yparxei kybernhtikh krish ayth thn periodo.

AQANASAKHS: Oxi. Ti shmainei kybernhtikh krish, prosdiorizetai se ola ta egxeiridia politikhs episthmhs kai tetoies synqhkes den yparxoyn. Antiqeta, yparxei mia staqerh Kybernhsh, h opoia sthrizetai se mia eyreia koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia, mia Kybernhsh, h opoia efarmozei kai qa efarmozei to programma ths apotelesmatika kai ypeyqyna.

MOSXOBAS: Qa sxoliasete th shmerinh synenteyjh toy k. Mperns sthn "Ejoysia";

AQANASAKHS: Ti akribws qelete na sxoliasw;

MOSXOBAS: Osa anaferei o k. Mperns, sth shmerinh synenteyjh toy, se sxesh me thn porta poy prepei na exei anoixth h E. E. sthn Toyrkia kai ayth th qesh poy pairnei kai qa elega oti mas eynoei idiaitera, afoy den anagnwrizei ton Ntenktas kai to ceydokratos kai den anagnwrizei thn entajh ws meso pieshs...

AQANASAKHS: Se o,ti afora to qema ths E. E. kai ths Toyrkias, h E. E. den exei kleisei kamia porta sthn Toyrkia kai h Ellada, malista, exei epaneilhmmena topoqethqei yper ths eyrwpaikhs prooptikhs ths Toyrkias. Apo ekei kai pera einai gegonos oti h Toyrkia dhmioyrgei h idia systhmatika gia ton eayto ths mia seira problhmata, se o,ti afora thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths kai oso syntomotera katalabei oti ekei brisketai to problhma, toso kalytero qa einai gia thn idia. Sto qema ths mh anagnwrishs toy Ntenktas, den exoyme kanena logo na sxoliasoyme mia dhlwsh toy presbh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn sthn Aqhna, otan h dhlwsh ayth einai h aytonohth gia mas dhlwsh. An den htan ayth h dhlwsh, tote qa yphrxe qema.

MOSXOBAS: Mporei na ajiopoihqei, afoy kaqista ypeyqynh thn Agkyra gia to Kypriako.

AQANASAKHS: Pisteyw oti qa to dw ayto sthn arqrografia sas.

MOSXOBAS: Eseis ti qa kanete;

AQANASAKHS: Emeis kanoyme, panta, o,ti xreiazetai.

Eyxaristw poly.

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