Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-06-10

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Ioynioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Gnwrizete oti ayth thn wra einai se ejelijh h episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto ypo kataskeyh aerodromio "Eleyqerios Benizelos" sta Spata. H omilia toy einai sth diaqesh sas.

* Thn Paraskeyh den qa ginei telika h synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, logw epispeyshs ths anaxwrhshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H anaxwrhsh qa ginei stis 12 to meshmeri.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi ergazomenoi sthn Ionikh - Laikh phran xqes kai pali apofash na synexisoyn tis kinhtopoihseis toys kai na einai kleisth h Trapeza. O Prwqypoyrgos bghke kai eipe alla. Epimenei. Epimenoyn kai oi men kai oi de. Poy qa paei ayto;

REPPAS: Plhroforoymai oti ekdoqhke apofash toy Monomeloys Prwtodikeioy poy khryssei paranomh thn apergia thn opoia exei kalycei h GSEE. H parelkystikh taktikh, thn opoia akoloyqei ayto to mikro tmhma twn ergazomenwn einai bebaio oti empodizei thn plhrh leitoyrgia ths Trapezas kai kanei akomh pio dyskolh th diadikasia pwlhshs ths. Pisteyoyme oti den qa epimeinoyn sth stash toys ayth, mexri teloys, oi ergazomenoi ths Ionikhs. Prepei na kaythriasoyme ayth th syntexniakh antilhch, h opoia xarakthrizei th stash toys. Einai se baros twn symferontwn ths Trapezas, twn metoxwn, twn pelatwn kai twn ergazomenwn sthn Ionikh Trapeza. Pisteyoyme oti einai qema ligwn hmerwn na apokatastaqei plhrws h omalh leitoyrgia ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Hdh, se ena baqmo, leitoyrgei h Ionikh Trapeza. Pisteyw oti h pleiochfia twn ergazomenwn den qa syntrejei ayth thn prwtoboylia twn ligwn na diathrhsoyn ena anoixto metwpo antiparaqeshs kai na yponomeysoyn th diadikasia pwlhshs ths Ionikhs Trapezas. H diadikasia qa ejelixqei kai qa oloklhrwqei me bash to xronodiagramma poy exoyme ejaggeilei. Pisteyw oti einai pros to symferon ths Ionikhs Trapezas ayth h ejelijh. To antilambanontai olo kai perissoteroi apo toys ergazomenoys se ayth kai ayto mas kanei na pisteyoyme oti telikws qa epikrathsei h synesh kai h logikh kai ola qa oloklhrwqoyn me bash tis probleceis mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Htan me megalh pleiochfia h xqesinh apofash twn ergazomenwn. Den htan me mikrh. Apo poy bgainei ayto poy lete "oligoi";

REPPAS: Apo ta pososta symmetoxhs s` aytes tis diadikasies, apo to oti einai poly mikros o ariqmos ekeinwn oi opoioi, me dynamiko tropo, exoyn antitaxqei se ayth thn prwtoboylia ths Kybernhshs na egkrinei tis epiloges twn dioikhsewn ths Emporikhs kai ths Ionikhs Trapezas, gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs. Den nomizw oti exei diafygei kai apo sas to gegonos oti poly mikros ariqmos ergazomenwn, me thn epikoyria atomwn apo alles epaggelmatikes kathgories, dhmioyrgoyn mia entash gyrw apo to qema ths Ionikhs Trapezas, h opoia einai pantelws adikaiologhth. Kai toyto, dioti to kaqestws ergasias kai oi qeseis ergasias gia toys ypallhloys ths Ionikhs einai plhrws diasfalismena, pragma to opoio apetelese thn aixmh twn aithmatwn toys. To aithma ayto exei antimetwpistei kai ikanopoihqhke, gi` ayto kai den syntrexei logos na synexizetai ayth h kinhtopoihsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy einai plhrws diasfalismenoi; Gia dyo xronia lete ...

REPPAS: Eipame oti o isxywn Kanonismos Proswpikoy paramenei ws exei. Ayto qa problepetai kai qa perilambanetai, ws oros, sth sxetikh prokhryjh gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Einai plhrhs h kalych kai h diasfalish gia toys ergazomenoys. Ayto apotelei thn kalyterh apanthsh stoys memcimoiroyntes. Dikaiwnei thn prospaqeia thn opoia kanei h Kybernhsh na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia ths pwlhshs, me prosmetrhsh twn epiptwsewn, oson afora to kaqestws ergasias twn ypallhlwn ths Ionikhs, giati apo thn arxh eipame oti ayto apotelei gia mas ena krisimo koinwniko megeqos. Den eprepe na to agnohsoyme kai den to agnohsame. Gi` ayto proxwroyme sthn pwlhsh me diasfalish twn qesewn ergasias gia toys ergazomenoys sthn Ionikh Trapeza.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela thn katanohsh sas, alla h xqesinh apofash htan omofwnh sth Genikh Syneleysh twn ergazomenwn. Milame gia omofwnh apofash twn ergazomenwn kai oxi twn oligwn. Qa hqela thn katanohsh sas. Einai dynaton na legontai tetoia pragmata;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, einai dynaton, dioti ayto apaitei h logikh kai o koinos noys. Prepei na milame me sygkekrimena stoixeia. Ta sygkekrimena stoixeia epibebaiwnoyn ayta ta opoia sas eipa. Gnwrizete poly kala, poies einai oi omades oi opoies kinhtopoioyntai kai poio einai to "plhqos" twn ergazomenwn, to opoio pairnei meros se aytes tis diadikasies.

KIAOS: Xqes, pantws, xrhsimopoihsate anaferomenos sth GSEE, sthn idia istoria twn apergiwn, lejeis opws "ligoi, mikres omades", kapws etsi. Me to dedomeno oti h pleiochfia ths dioikhsews ths GSEE phre thn apofash na sthrijei thn apergia kai na khryjei apergia, anejarthtws apofasews dikasthrioy kai dhmioyrghqhke pleiochfia sth dioikhsh ths GSEE, epimenete s' aytoys toys ligoys poy legate;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, apanthsa gia ola ayta ta qemata kai thn prohgoymenh bdomada se dikes sas erwthseis. Xqes, eipa ayta poy eipa, shmera eipa ayta poy akoysate, menw s' ayta ta opoia eipa. Elpizw na ginei sebasth -giati sto shmeio poy ftasame ayto einai to neo to opoio exei prokycei- h apofash toy dikasthrioy kai na epanelqoyn oi ergazomenoi stis ergasies toys.

KIAOS: Oxi, egw epimenw sto ariqmhtiko.

REPPAS: Qelete na kanoyme ena paixnidi. Sas lew, loipon, oti oi ypo kinhtopoihsh eyriskomenoi, oles aytes tis hmeres, peri to qema ths Ionikhs Trapezas, den einai para enas mikros ariqmos apo to synolo twn ergazomenwn, epeidh h pleiochfia twn ergazomenwn antilambanetai pws kai h epilogh gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas einai mia logikh epilogh -einai qemito ayto to opoio epidiwketai, na enisxyqei h qesh ths Ionikhs mesa ap` thn diadikasia ths pwlhshs ths- alla kai h pwlhsh prowqeitai me enan tetoio tropo, wste na mhn anatrepetai to kaqestws ths ergasias twn ypallhlwn ths Ionikhs.

KIAOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw sxetika me to qema ths ELEYQEROTYPIAS, poy to synexizei shmera, leei oti apo ta eggrafa poy proskomise o genikos syntonisths toy OPAP, prokyptei oti ta panta eixan prosymfwnhqei me thn, sxedon monadikh, diagwnisqeisa etaireia. Ti apantate ep` aytoy, gia to sygkekrimeno stoixhma;

REPPAS: Malista. Prwton, den prokyptei ayto to opoio isxyrizetai h efhmerida kai deyteron, gia na mhn syzhtoyme xwris na odhgoymeqa s' ena safes symperasma, sas enhmerwnw oti ayrio to prwi stis 9.30' synedriazei h Diarkhs Epitroph Morfwtikwn Ypoqesewn ths Boylhs. Exei klhqei o dieyqynths ths "ELEYQEROTYPIAS" na proselqei sthn Epitroph Morfwtikwn Ypoqesewn, opoy qa syzhthqei to qema, na ekqesei tis apoceis ths efhmeridos mazi me ton nomiko symboylo ths, na qesei erwthseis kai na labei apanthseis.

FILHS: Me prwtoboylia poioy ginetai ayth h synanthsh;

REPPAS: Me prwtoboylia ths Kybernhshs, mesw toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy, o opoios apesteile epistolh ston k. Fyntanidh kai ton k. Q. Tegopoylo kai toys kalei na proselqoyn sthn ayrianh synedriash, na ekqesoyn tis apoceis toys, na qesoyn erwthseis kai na ginei syzhthsh gyrw ap' ayto to qema, to opoioi apasxolei thn efhmerida kai thn koinh gnwmh.

FILHS: O k. Pagkalos qa synodecei ton Prwqypoyrgo sthn Agglia;

REPPAS: Bebaiws.

FILHS: Qa fygoyn mazi dhladh;

REPPAS: O k.Pagkalos qa einai parwn sth Synodo Koryfhs.

FILHS: Nwritera den prokeitai na paei, dhladh, sto Londino;

REPPAS: Den problepetai kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, teleytaia parathreitai mia dystokia na perasoyn ta nomosxedia ths Kybernhshs apo th Boylh, logw ths apoysias, apoxhs -opws qelete parte to- h "leykhs apergias" twn boyleytwn toy PASOK. Anhsyxei ayto thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den yparxei apoxh h leykh apergia. Antiqetws, gnwrizete oti einai para polla ta nomosxedia ta opoia chfisthkan kai katesthsan nomoi toy kratoys. Nomoi, qa elega, ychlhs poiothtas, se para polles periptwseis. H nomoqetikh paragwgh einai idiaitera ychlh sthn Ellada, ta teleytaia xronia. Anafereste se poly sygkekrimenes periptwseis oi opoies exoyn kai ejhghseis, gia to oti den egine katorqwto na chfistoyn kapoia nomosxedia. Gnwrizete, fer` eipein, oti xqes h synedriash ths Boylhs htan prwinh kai apogeymatinh. Stis 7 to apogeyma yphrxe synedriash. Stis 2 to meshmeri eixe ftasei se ena orismeno shmeio h syzhthsh, kai kriqhke apo oles tis pleyres skopimo, to qema to opoio apasxoloyse ekeinh th stigmh thn olomeleia gia to "Swma twn Adiafqorwn" ths Astynomias, na syzhthqei se mia nea synedriash, sto plaisio enos alloy nomosxedioy, prokeimenoy na yparxei anesh xronoy kai na ginei h ryqmish gia to zhthma ayto, me ton kalytero tropo, se mia epomenh fash. Kai ayto qa ginei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ti qelete na moy peite, oti einai koyrasmenoi kai den pane; Koyrasthkan kai fygane;

REPPAS: Den qa krinoyme emeis ton tropo me ton opoio einai parontes kai symmetexoyn sto koinoboyleytiko ergo oi Ellhnes boyleytes. Oi idioi einai aytoi oi opoioi exoyn thn eyqynh na epilejoyn ton pio apotelesmatiko tropo na parembainoyn sthn nomoqetikh kai koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Ayto to opoio epeshmana egw einai toyto kai mono toyto: Oti kaqe fora yparxoyn texnikoi, organwtikoi, diadikastikoi logoi, oi opoioi dinoyn apanthseis kai ejhghseis se tetoioy eidoys h analoga erwthmata, gia thn proodo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Allwste, epanalambanw, h proodos ayth einai shmantikh. Oson afora thn "paragwgh" nomwn eimaste se poly ychla epipeda, kinoymeqa me poly taxeis ryqmoys .

STAMATOPOYLOS: Stis treis teleytaies synedriaseis diekoph h synedriash logw apoysias boyleytwn toy PASOK...

REPPAS: Meta apo polywres synedriaseis. Ayto giati den to lete; Meta apo polywres synedriaseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto sas lew, koyrasthkane;

REPPAS: Meta apo polywres synedriaseis, gnwrizete poly kala oti mia orismenh xronikh stigmh, pantote, apofasizetai na lhgei h synedriash. Kai h apoysia ayth den einai apoysia boyleytwn toy PASOK, opws thn prosdiorizete. Ofeiletai se mikrh symmetoxh boyleytwn olwn twn kommatwn s` aytes tis diadikasies, pragma to opoio, omws, den afora th dikh mas syzhthsh, oyte eimaste emeis armodioi na elegjoyme ton tropo me ton opoio symmetexoyn oi boyleytes sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

FILHS: O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, k. Alekos Papadopoylos, milwntas, xqes, sth Boylh afhse anoikto to endexomeno allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy kai ayth th stigmh h Kybernhsh den epilegei na qesei tetoio qema Egine piqanon kapoia paranohsh apo th dhlwsh ayth toy k. Papadopoyloy; Hqele na pei kati allo h ayto ennooyse;

REPPAS: Den mas exei apasxolhsei tetoio qema. Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

FILHS: Ayth th stigmh h genikws;

REPPAS: Moy lete na apanthsw se kati, to opoio den mas exei kan apasxolhsei. Sas lew oti den exei teqei kai den tiqetai tetoio qema. Oso perissotero to syzhtoyme, omws kai dexomai na apantw stis erwthseis sas, toso perissotero sas dinw th dynatothta na skepteste oti kati prospaqoyme na krycoyme. Tipota den epixeiroyme na krycoyme. Sas lew oti den yparxei tetoio qema.

FILHS: Mas diabebaiwnete, ws Kybernhsh, oti den prokeitai na allajei o eklogikos nomos;

REPPAS: Exei eklogiko nomo h xwra, me ton opoio ginontai oi ekloges.

KACAMPELHS: Oi epomenes ekloges, dhladh, qa ginoyn me ton shmerino eklogiko nomo;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa, xqes kai proxqes, apanthsa kai shmera ston k. Filh.

KACAMPELHS: Poia einai h apanthsh sto erwthma;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin kai ston k. Filh, apanthsa kai s' esas, xqes kai proxqes. Epanalambanw ayth thn apanthsh.

KIAOS: O prwhn Prwqypoyrgos, o k. Rallhs, se ekpomph ths ERA-1, to prohgoymeno Sabbato, ejefrase thn pikria, thn apelpisia kai to parapono toy, dioti enw prosferqhke -opws eipe- na metasxei afilokerdws se mia epitroph, me tis protaseis toy gia eklogiko nomo k.lp., den etyxe oyte ths arnhtikhs apanthsews, apo thn Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Oson afora to qema ths politikhs epiloghs gia ton eklogiko nomo, einai ena qema to opoio den exei teqei, den mas apasxolei tetoio zhthma. Apo kei kai pera, to allo qema, poy afora thn eygenikh xeironomia, thn opoia eprepe na kanei ekproswpos ths Kybernhshs, gia na apanthsei ston k. Rallh -an pragmatika etsi exoyn ta qemata opws ta qetei o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos kai dexomai oti etsi qa einai- ekei, fainetai, yparxei ena elleimma. Qa eprepe na yparxei mia pio eygenikh antimetwpish toy aithmatos h toy erwthmatos poy eqese. Yparxei ena elleimma, alla den yparxei, epi ths oysias, antikeimeno pros syzhthsh. Ayto prepei na dieykrinisw.

FILHS: Arxizoyn, shmera, oi kinhtopoihseis twn kaqhghtwn gia to qema twn ejetasewn. O ypoyrgos Paideias, xqes, afhse na ennohqei oti oi ejetaseis twn ekpaideytikwn qa ginoyn -an xreiastei- kai me th syndromh twn MAT. Einai mia qesh thn opoia yioqetei h Kybernhsh oti qa ginoyn oi ejetaseis me MAT;

REPPAS: Oi ejetaseis qa jekinhsoyn kai qa oloklhrwqoyn kanonika, opws exoyme anakoinwsei. Yparxei megalos ariqmos endiaferomenwn, xiliadwn ypochfiwn, poy qa laboyn meros se aytes tis diagwnistikes diadikasies. Ginontai ypo thn epopteia toy ASEP. Exei diasfalistei to ajiopisto kai antikeimeniko aytwn twn diagwnistikwn diadikasiwn. Oi ejetaseis, pisteyoyme, einai o kalyteros tropos gia na stelexwsoyme tis qeseis sth Deyterobaqmia Ekpaideysh. Gnwrizete oti h epethrida einai enas qesmos aparxaiwmenos, poy eprepe, epiteloys, na katarghqei kai sthn patrida mas. Oi diorismoi twn ekpaideytikwn ginontai mesw dyo odwn: Ths epethridas, gia ta liga epomena xronia kai twn diagwnismwn. Yparxoyn kathgories ekpaideytikwn poy den eixan tyxh na dioristoyn, an mename sto kaqestws ths epethridas. Ef` oroy zwhs qa perimenan na dioristoyn, enw twra toys dinoyme th dynatothta na diekdikhsoyn, efoson einai ikanoi mia qesh kai na didajoyn. Prepei na sas pw oti h megalh symmetoxh, logw toy endiaferontos poy exei ekdhlwqei, pistopoiei oti ola qa ginoyn omala kai den qa xreiastei, logw twn prwtoboyliwn poy qa analaboyn me dynamiko tropo kapoies omades, na ekdhlwqei apo thn pleyra ths politeias mia analogh antidrash. Omws, h politeia qa perifroyrhsei tis synqhkes omalhs diejagwghs aytoy toy diagwnismoy.

KARASABBA: Penhnta xronia meta th dolofonia toy Polk, skeftetai h Kybernhsh na epanejetasei to qema;

REPPAS: Den mas exei apasxolhsei ayto to qema.

KARASABBA: Menete, dhladh, sthn apofash toy Dikasthrioy;

REPPAS: Menoyme s` ayta ta opoia gnwrizete. Den yparxei kati allo.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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