Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-06-05

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Ioynioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos, meta to peras ths synedriashs, ths Diaskechs ths Pareyjeinias Synergasias sth Gialta, apo opoy epistefei shmera to apogeyma, ekane dhlwseis, tis opoies, se ligh wra, qa exete sth diaqesh sas. Sas prolambanw, legontas oti den eixe synanthsh me ton k. Ntemirel, o opoios ws epikefalhs ths toyrkikhs antiproswpeias, pairnei meros sth Diaskech. Xqes to brady antallajan enan xairetismo, sto plaisio toy deipnoy poy parateqhke pros toys episkeptes poy pairnoyn meros sth Diaskech. Den egine, dhladh, kapoia syzhthsh. Ayto hqela na sas pw eisagwgikws.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mono xeiracia htan;

REPPAS: Eipa oti egine xairetismos. Gnwrizete oti o xairetismos perilambanei kai thn antallagh orismenwn lejewn, filofronhsewn. Ta gnwsta. Htan mia typikh synanthsh.

GARGALAKOS: Pws sxoliazete thn periergh symmaxia poy emfanisthke stoys kolpoys ths GSEE kai odhghse se paratash thn apergiakh kinhtopoihsh sthn Ionikh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete thn apofash ths GSEE. H Kybernhsh exei ejasfalisei me ton kalytero tropo tis qeseis ergasias kai to agaqo ths ergasias gia toys ypallhloys ths Ionikhs Trapezas. H parelkystikh taktikh thn opoia akoloyqei ena mikro tmhma toy syndikalistikoy kinhmatos, pisteyoyme oti antistrateyetai ta symferonta ths Ionikhs Trapezas kai twn ergazomenwn. Gi ayto kaloyme toys ergazomenoys ths Ionikhs Trapezas na proselqoyn kai na analaboyn ergasia, xwris na pagideyontai, menontas makria apo thn ergasia toys, se diafores politikoy xarakthra, telika, mhxanorrafies, oi opoies ejelissontai. H Ionikh Trapeza gia na einai ajiopisth kai elkystikh prepei na leitoyrghsei omala, to syntomotero dynato. H Kybernhsh exei analabei oles tis prwtoboylies, opws kai h Dioikhsh ths Trapezas, prokeimenoy ta qemata poy apasxoloyn toys ergazomenoys na antimetwpistoyn kai na lyqoyn. Pisteyw pws den prepei kata thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toys, oi syndikalistes kai oi syndikalistikes paratajeis na ypokyptoyn se diaforoys peirasmoys poy antistrateyontai ta symferonta twn ergazomenwn. Den qa prepei, p.x., na yponomeyetai h prospaqeia gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas apo tis paratajeis kai ths N.D., h opoia metajy twn allwn milaei gia thn anagkh twn idiwtikopoihsewn. Opws, epishs, den qa prepei, kata thn anaptyjh twn syndikalistikwn agwnwn, na ekdhlwnetai mia adiaforia gia tis epiptwseis poy yparxoyn, oson afora to endexomeno syrriknwshs ths epixeirhmatikhs kai paragwgikhs drasthriothtas. Exoyme mia tetoia empeiria sthn Ellada, se diafores perioxes, opoy ephlqe apobiomhxanopoihsh. Ola ayta prepei na einai arketa didaktika. Prepei na mas exoyn kanei oloys poly pio wrimoys. Nomizw oti to syntomotero dynato qa prepei na yparxei enas oyrios proodeytikos anemos, prokeimenoy na leitoyrghsei pali h Ionikh Trapeza. Kai ayto qa ginei dynato an apegklwbistoyme apo opisqodromikes h syntexniakes antilhceis, tis opoies exei plhrwsei o topos. Einai wra, loipon, na doyme me mia aisiodojh matia thn proklhsh ayth kai na symbaloyme wste na oloklhrwqei, to syntomotero dynato, h pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, giati oi ergazomenoi na epistrecoyn; Ti perissotero toys yposxeqhkan twra;

REPPAS: Giati mprosta stis eperxomenes ejelijeis, oi ergazomenoi ths Ionikhs Trapezas prepei na einai sigoyroi oti qa ergazontai se enan trapeziko organismo, o opoios qa einai poly pio isxyros apo oti htan ews shmera h Ionikh Trapeza. Ayto nomizw oti amesws kai emmesws ephreazei qetika kai thn ergasia enos ekastoy twn ypallhlwn ths Ionikhs Trapezas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poy bgainei aytos o organismos; Dhladh, o Kwstopoylos poy qa thn parei qa einai pio isxyros; Ayto qelete na peite;

REPPAS: Eseis, k. Stamatopoyle, fainetai oti gnwrizete poly perissotera apo osa gnwrizei h pragmatikothta, h zwh h idia. Mh biazeste toso poly. Mh bgazete ayta ta symperasmata. Einai dikaiwma sas na kanete ypoqeseis. Den qa prepei, omws, emeis, ws ypeyqynh Kybernhsh na kanoyme politikh me bash tis ypoqeseis h ta senaria h tis fantasiwseis. Ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme einai na doyme ta sygkekrimena dedomena, ta pragmatika stoixeia. Kai ta pragmatika stoixeia, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, ypagoreyoyn oti to syntomotero dynato prepei na doylecei h Ionikh Trapeza. H Ionikh Trapeza, an arxisei pali na leitoyrgei omala, qa enisxysei th qesh ths, qa ginei perissotero elkystikh enanti aytwn poy endiaferontai, kai qa ekdhlwsoyn me ton tropo poy qa ginei gnwstos to endiaferon toys, na agorasoyn thn Ionikh Trapeza. H agora ths Ionikhs Trapezas kai h entajh ths se ena trapeziko sxhma isxyro, nomizw oti apobainei pros ofelos ths idias ths Trapezas kai twn ergazomenwn shmera s' aythn. Ayth einai h poreia twn pragmatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prin den htan isxyrh h Trapeza; Twra qa ginei;

REPPAS: H Ionikh Trapeza, me dieqnh metra krinomenh, den qa elege kaneis oti einai mia megalh Trapeza. Mia mesaia Trapeza einai gia ta ellhnika dedomena kai mia mikrh Trapeza gia ta eyrwpaika dedomena. Exoyme milhsei kat' epanalhch gia ton antagwnismo ston trapeziko xwro. Enas antagwnismos o opoios einai pro twn pylwn, poy qa odhgoyse, an mename ameleis kai adiaforoi sto na antimetwpisoyme sygkekrimena to qema, se syrriknwsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas, se apajiwsh ths h kai se kleisimo ths kai se apwleia twn qesewn ergasias. Giati gnwrizete poly kala oti einai pros to symferon to diko sas kai enos ekastoy ej ymwn, alla kai olwn twn politwn, na epilegoyme thn Trapeza me bash poso elkystiko einai to paketo twn prosforwn poy kanei se diafores drasthriothtes. Kai elkystika paketa exoyn mono oi megales kai isxyres Trapezes. Kai tetoia den einai h Ionikh. Prospaqoyme mesw ayths ths diadikasias na thn katasthsoyme pio isxyrh, dhladh, perissotero antagwnistikh, prokeimenoy na epibiwsei kai na diasfalistei etsi kai h ergasia twn ypallhlwn.

PETOYRH: Na epanelqw sto arxiko erwthma. Milhsate gia merida twn syndikalistwn. Edw, omws, einai h GSEE, h opoia kalyptei thn apergiakh kinhtopoihsh.

REPPAS: Qa xarakthrisw ayth thn taktikh parelkystikh. Gnwrizete poies einai oi apofaseis twn Dikasthriwn. Gnwrizete, omws, peran aytoy oti h Kybernhsh exei diasfalisei to agaqo ths ergasias gia toys ypallhloys ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Ara, h opoiadhpote kinhtopoihsh einai xwris periexomeno kai gi ayto einai pantelws adikaiologhth.

KONTOPOYLOS: Skopeyei, loipon, h Kybernhsh na prosfygei sta dikasthria opws prosefyge gia na kriqei paranomh kai kataxrhstikh h apergia;

REPPAS : Thn prwtoboylia ayth thn analambanei h Dioikhsh ths sygkekrimenhs Trapezas. Nomizw, oti o dromos ton opoio qa akoloyqhsei, einai o dromos ths nomimothtas. Ayton mexri twra akoloyqhse, ayto to dromo pisteyw oti qa synexisei.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes sth Boylh chfisthke ena nomosxedio apo thn pleiochfia epi ths arxhs, gia th fylajh twn synorwn. Ena kroysma kainoyrgio. Apasxolei thn Kybernhsh; par' oles tis paraineseis toy k. Kaklamanh eggyhseis gia anabaqmish toy Koinoboylioy; Poy pame; Apoysiasane, bebaiws kai oi boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Yparxoyn paqologika fainomena h fainomena ekfylismoy sth leitoyrgia toy Koinoboylioy, genikotera qa elega, sto plaisio leitoyrgias twn koinoboyleytikwn qesmwn. Einai eyqynh twn politikwn, twn boyleytwn idiaiterws, na deixnoyn akraia eyaisqhsia kai na prwtostatoyn sthn prospaqeia gia thn anabaqmish toy koinoboyleytikoy bioy ths xwras. Tetoia fainomena den einai eyxarista. Nomizw, omws, oti h ellhnikh boylh brisketai se ychlo epipedo kai thn adikoyn genikeymena epikritika sxolia ta opoia den antapokrinontai ston tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgei to ellhniko Koinoboylio.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na kanw dyo erwthseis poy aforoyn se dyo synenteyjeis. H mia einai toy k. Kastanidh, o opoios diapistwnei ideologiko sxisma kai xasma sto PASOK.

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toy k. Kastanidh.

MOSXOBAS: Yparxei akoma h omada twn loxagwn;

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata toy Kinhmatos, k. Mosxoba. Sto PASOK, allwste oloi stratiwtes eimaste. Enas megalos stratos eqelontwn.

MOSXOBAS: Kai to deytero erwthma: tis qeseis ths kas Dhmhtras Lianh-Papandreoy h opoia ektima oti to shmerino PASOK den ekfrazei osoys ton sthrijan epi 20 xronia prwton kai deyteron, oti den timatai oso prepei h mnhmh toy Andrea Papandreoy.

REPPAS: Aytes einai oi apoceis ths.

GARGALAKOS: O k. Ebert me grapth dhlwsh toy zhthse ejetastikh epitroph gia to zhthma toy ergostasioy ths DEH sth Flwrina. Exete kapoio sxolio ep' aytoy;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh kai idiaitera h armodia Ypoyrgos, xeiristhkan ayto to qema me monadiko gnwmona to dhmosio symferon. Gnwrizete oti para tis dyskolies apo laqh toy parelqontos, ejasfalisame ena eylogo kai antikeimeniko timhma, mesw diafanestatwn diadikasiwn. H N.D. anti na apologeitai gia thn politikh poy akoloyqhse epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos, prospaqei na ypodyqei ton kathgoro. O k. Ebert nostalgei, fainetai thn hgesia ths N.D. kai gi' ayto egkalei to komma toy. Tetoia qemata, omws, qa prepei h N.D. na ta lysei mesw enos synedrioy ths kai oxi mesw twn koinoboyleytikwn diadikasiwn talaipwrwntas th Boylh kai ypobaqmizontas to epipedo leitoyrgias ths. Allwste, qa qymhqw edw, ena logo toy Geroy ths Dhmokratias: "h N.D. qhteyei fainetai eis thn megalh sxolh twn mikrwn texnasmatwn". Stis hmeres mas, omws, ta texnasmata den exoyn perash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ayto to timhma kai oi diafaneis diadikasies, diplasiasan to kostos toy ergostasioy kai eftase ta 224 disekatommyria;

REPPAS: Symbainei to ejhs me tis erwthseis sas , k. Stamatopoyle. Exete mesa sthn erwthsh sas kai mia sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Qelete na peite pws eseis jerete pws exei to qema, apla rwtate gia na exete kai th dikh mas qesh, giati "gnwrizete" pws apenanti sth dikh sas... alhqeia, yparxei to diko mas... cema. Telos pantwn. Prepei na sas pw, to oti h diadikasia htan diafanhs kai to timhma eylogo kai antikeimeniko, prokyptei apo ola ekeina ta stoixeia, ta opoia h Kybernhsh me perissh frontida prospaqhse na sygkentrwsei, wste h politikh poy ekane h xwra mas, gia to sygkekrimeno qema, prin ginei kybernhsh to PASOK, na efarmostei kai sthn prajh me ton kalytero tropo. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti epi toy qematos aytoy, egine megalh syzhthsh. Kai edw to exoyme syzhthsei kat' epanalhch. Oles de oi anafores eixan sxesh eite me to adiafanes twn diadikasiwn, pragma to opoio antimetwpisthke peistikotata apo thn pleyra mas, eite me to ycos toy timhmatos, gia to opoio anejarthtos Oikos ejefrase th gnwmh toy kai eipe oti htan poly symferontes oi oikonomikoi oroi me toys opoioys egine h symbash. Ola ta alla ta opoia legontai , qa moy epitrecete na pw ayqaireta, apodeiknyoyn oti h kakopistia kai oxi h eyqynh einai ayth h opoia yperisxyei kata thn askhsh twn koinoboyleytikwn kai politikwn kaqhkontwn, kapoiwn paragontwn ths politikhs zwhs ths xwras.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, afoy hsastan toso pistikoi sth Boylh, giati den peisate oyte toys dikoys sas boyleytes;

REPPAS: Ma, den peisame oyte ton k. Ebert o opoios trexei gia ola ta qemata sto dikasthrio, stoys eisaggeleis kai qelei na dhmioyrghsoyme ena allo kratos, kratos dikastwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pipergia kai Kedikogloy toys peisate;

REPPAS: O k. Pipergias kai o k. Kedikogloy exoyn qesei kapoioys problhmatismoys gia to sygkekrimeno qema, alla den exoyn kataggeilei thn Kybernhsh, opws kanei o k. Ebert h h N.D. Asteieyetai fainetai o k. Ebert kai h N.D. Den nomizw na proxwrhsoyn sthn kataqesh tetoias protashs meta apo toso kairo, para mono gia logoys skopimothtas. Mh sygxeete to ena me to allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kataggelies kanoyn oi boyleytes toy PASOK.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti oi boyleytes toy PASOK diatypwnoyn toys problhmatismoys toys. Oi boyleytes toy PASOK einai aytoi poy dinoyn th dynatothta sthn Kybernhsh na askei to ergo ths, na efarmozei mia politikh. Kai ayth h politikh, metajy twn allwn, perilambanei kai thn idrysh kai leitoyrgia aytoy toy ergostasioy sth Flwrina. Einai pros to dhmosio symferon, einai pros to symferon ths sygkekrimenhs perioxhs. To qeloyn oloi oi polites ayths ths perioxhs kai to gnwrizete poly kala.

GKOGKAS: Qa hqela na moy peite ean anhsyxei kaqoloy h Kybernhsh apo tis xqesines anakoinwseis toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn sxetika me th symfwnia poy paroysiase o k. Solana. Sygkekrimena sthn anakoinwsh toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, anaferetai oti "pisteyoyme oti twra mporoyn na arqoyn ta empodia gia proseggish twn dieqnwn perioxwn sto Aigaio, se aera kai qalassa". Anhsyxei ayth h frash thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den anhsyxei h Aqhna apo dhlwseis poy kanoyn ajiwmatoyxoi ths Agkyras. H Aqhna lypatai otan oi ajiwmatoyxoi ths Agkyras, me thn politikh poy akoloyqoyn, den efarmozoyn sthn prajh ayta ta opoia exoyn ypogracei, synomologhsei se diafores periptwseis. To mnhmonio toy 1988 den efarmosqhke me eyqynh ths Toyrkias. Poios empodise thn hgesia ths Toyrkias na fanei synephs s` ayto to opoio o k. Gilmaz, ws Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn tote ths Toyrkias, eixe symfwnhsei sth Boyliagmenh, me ton k. Papoylia. Oydeis. H Toyrkia h idia epeleje na akoloyqhsei enan allo dromo. Emeis pisteyoyme, pws ayth h ejelijh einai qetikh. Einai ena prwto bhma to opoio deixnei th diaqesh, th boylhsh twn dyo xwrwn na proxwrhsoyn sth dhmioyrgia sxesewn empistosynhs. Den einai arketo, omws, ayto to bhma. Giati qa prepei na akoloyqhqei apo polla bhmata, prokeimenoy to mnhmonio na efarmostei sthn prajh. Kai qa efarmostei sthn prajh, bebaiws, opws leei to idio to keimeno ths anakoinwshs toy k. Solana, me sebasmo ths edafikhs akeraiothtas kai ths eqnikhs kyriarxias enos ekastoy kratoys. Ayth einai mia politikh thn opoia pagia yperaspizetai h Ellada. Makari h Toyrkia, peran apo toy na omilei yper ayths ths politikhs, na akoloyqei mia tetoia politikh. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno twn hmerwn kai apo ayto qa kriqei h epityxia ayths ths prospaqeias poy ginetai ypo ton k. Solana.

FILHS: Einai dikaiologhmenh, pws thn krinete, h ekfrash dysareskeias ek meroys toy Arxiepiskopoy gia th xqesinh synanthsh poy eixe o Proedros ths Dhmokratias me Ellhnes polites, ekproswpoys twn gnhsiwn Orqodojwn Xristianwn h kata alloys Palaiohmerologitwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti den sxoliazw logoys kai drasthriothtes toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Poly perissotero sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, den exw logo na kanw opoiodhpote sxolio. O Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai Proedros olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn.

FILHS: H erwthsh den afora esas kai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

REPPAS: Gnwrizw poly kala poia einai h erwthsh poy kanate kai eseis gnwrizete poly kala ti afora h erwthsh poy kanate. Afora ena sxolio to opoio proklhqhke apo drasthriothta toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Den einai dynaton emeis na ypeiselqoyme se syzhthsh, ths opoias h afethria brisketai se drasthriothta toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. O Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai Proedros olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn.

FILHS: Pisteyete oti symballoyn sthn omalh symbiwsh twn dyo qesmwn toy Kratoys kai ths Ekklhsias tetoies antidraseis toy Arxiepiskopoy, poy sxoliazei drasthriothtes toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias;

REPPAS: Sta eswterikhs ths Ekklhsias den prokeitai emeis na eiselqoyme. Exei tis diadikasies ths h Ekklhsia, me tis opoies eklegei toys epikefalhs ths. Apo ekei kai pera den einai dynaton, emeis na krinoyme tis apoceis tis opoies oi dhmosioi paragontes ekfrazoyn gia diafora qemata ths xwras. O ellhnikos laos einai wrimos kai nohmwn gia na bgalei ta symperasmata toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh pompwdws eixe anakoinwsei thn perifhmh Epitroph gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Bghke, xqes, o Mpakoyrhs kai eipe oti: egw oxi fakelo Olympiakwn Agwnwn den exw parei, alla oyte tipote allo kai oti ton exei o k. Laliwths sto syrtari toy. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Den eipe ayto o k. Mpakoyrhs. O k. Mpakoyrhs gnwrizete oti einai epikefalhs ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs. Epishs, gnwrizete oti qa synedriasei se liges hmeres kai o mhxanismos aytos yposthrijhs ths Olympiadas, ws Eqnikh Epitroph, sthn Olympia. Nomizw oti h synergasia einai poly kalh. O k. Dieyqynwn Symboylos eipe oti den exei sth diaqesh toy akomh toys fakeloys, alla exei synergasia, epikoinwnia. Kai ayto sto plaisio ths synergasias toys qa ginei, wste na ajiopoihqei me ton kalytero tropo h paroysia toy ws epikefalhs s` ayth thn Epitroph.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poy milaei gia synergasia;

REPPAS: Ekane dhlwseis. Einai poly kales kai antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia oi dhlwseis aytes. Alla den dhmioyrgei kanena qema, etsi opws eseis ermhneyete aytes tis dhlwseis. Tis ermhneyete me tropo o opoios einai ena texnasma, qa elega.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia th dhlwsh ths kas Papandreoy, oti o Andreas Papandreoy den kybernoyse me Tsoykatoys kai Pantagiades.

REPPAS: H ka Papandreoy eipe tis apoceis ths.

Eyxaristw poly kai kalo trihmero.

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