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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8.5.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Dyo htan ta qemata ths syzhthshs:

* Prwta syzhthsame thn idrysh toy Eniaioy Forea Elegxoy Trofimwn (EFET). Apofasisame na katartistei nomosxedio, to opoio toys epomenoys mhnes -entos toy kalokairioy- qa katateqei sth Boylh. Shmera phrame thn politikh apofash gia thn idrysh toy forea aytoy kai katalhjame sto geniko politiko plaisio. O foreas aytos syzhteitai sthn patrida mas epi polla xronia. Epiteloys, lambanetai apofash gia th dhmioyrgia toy. Pisteyw oti kalyptei ena megalo keno kai qa prosferei yphresies ston katanalwth kai ston polith, o opoios gia opoia trofima h pota katanalwnei qa exei pleon mia egkyrh diabebaiwsh oti plhroyn tis proypoqeseis katallhlothtas kai poiothtas, oi opoies qa exoyn prosdioristei ek twn proterwn. Einai mia megalh prosfora, yper ths dhmosias ygeias. Pisteyoyme oti h apofash ayth einai shmantikh.

* Epishs, syzhthsame zhthmata poy aforoyn to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias kai ayto htan to deytero qema ths shmerinhs synedriashs. O armodios Ypoyrgos exei kanei analytikes dhlwseis. Mporw na arkestw se liga stoixeia mono, legontas oti ta kyria qemata poy syzhthsame aforoyn tis metarryqmistikes, alla kai tis qesmikes allages sto xwro toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias kai kyriws twn Organismwn poy epopteyei -opws einai oi Organismoi Limenwn- kaqws kai h synexish twn ergwn ypodomhs. Akomh, mas apasxolhse to qema ths apokthshs newn ylikotexnikwn ypodomwn apo to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, prokeimenoy na antapokriqei sthn apostolh toy. Yparxei to perifhmo qema twn elikopterwn ereynas kai diaswshs. To qema ayto meta thn eishghsh ths armodias Epitrophs brisketai hdh sto Elegktiko Synedrio gia na exoyme th dikh toy gnwmodothsh. Epishs, syzhthqhkan qemata antagwnismoy ths Ellhnikhs Naytilias, opws einai h synqesh plhrwmatwn, qemata poy aforoyn to NAT kai qemata poy aforoyn ton employtismo toy ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias me to katallhlo anqrwpino dynamiko. Hdh, to 1997 proslhfqhkan 300 neoi sto Limeniko Swma, me to antikeimeniko systhma twn moriwn. Einai shmantiko, para to oti jenizei oti ayto ginetai gia prwth fora, to oti oi neoi aytoi einai toylaxiston apofoitoi Lykeioy.

* Eisagwgikws, mporw na sas pw oti, metajy twn allwn, egine anafora sth dhmioyrgia diypoyrgikwn epitropwn poy exoyn apofasistei sto plaisio twn synedriasewn ths Politikhs Grammateias toy Kinhmatos kai ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Aytes oi diypoyrgikes Epitropes pairnoyn enan typiko xarakthra, meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

* Epishs, apofasisthke peran twn ejormhsewn stelexwn toy Kommatos, poy exei programmatisei to Kinhma mas sthn ellhnikh eparxia, na yparxei gia mia periodo dyo mhnwn, apo tis 15 Maioy, ews tis 15 Ioylioy, se kaqhmerinh bash ejormhsh klimakiwn sthn ellhnikh eparxia, poy qa perilambanoyn ekproswpoys diaforwn ypoyrgeiwn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizontai ta kata topoys problhmata, se diaforoys tomeis. Ayta, einai sto plaisio ths drasthriothtas poy exei sxediastei gia thn epomenh periodo.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na moy peite giati eseis lete 300 kai o Ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias eipe 500. Posoi akribws proselhfqhsan;

REPPAS: Me to diagwnismo poy egine to 1997 proslhfqhkan 300. Einai aytoi, oi opoioi eishxqhsan me to systhma twn moriwn. Qa proslhfqoyn alloi 500 me nea prokhryjh poy qa ginei entos twn hmerwn. Metajy aytwn enas megalos ariqmos, peripoy 200, qa epilegei kai me alla krithria, ektos twn moriwn, opws einai h empeiria logw yphrethshs se eidika tmhmata twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. P.x. kapoioi poy yphrethsan ws katadromeis kai exoyn th fysikh kai organikh dynatothta na antimetwpizoyn eidikes katastaseis, sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy Limenikoy Swmatos. Antilambaneste ti akribws ennow.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw thn politikh epopteia sto Organismo Elegxoy Trofimwn kai Potwn, poios qa thn exei;

REPPAS: Thn politikh epopteia apofasisame oti qa thn exei to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Sto qema ayto diatypwqhkan diafores apoceis. Oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi, prokeimenoy na labei thn telikh morfh to nomosxedio, poy hdh einai ypo katartish, qa synergastoyn kai pali, wste na exoyme to plhres keimeno toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioi diafwnhsan dhladh;

REPPAS: Den yphrje diafwnia. O k. Tzoymakas ejefrase mia epifylajh gia to an prepei, epi paradeigmati, o Organismos aytos na telei ypo thn epopteia toy Ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias h toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs. Alla, eipame, opws problepetai allwste kai sthn eishghsh, oti telika to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs mporei na sygkentrwsei oles aytes tis drasthriothtes, poy shmera einai diaspartes se diaforoys Tomeis kai Ypoyrgeia, prokeimenoy na yparxei mia syntonismenh kai apotelesmatikh parembash s' ayta ta qemata. Shmera, to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, me toys Astykthniatroys, to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias bebaiws, to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn me to Geniko Xhmeio toy Kratoys, to Ypoyrgeio Emporioy me toys elegxoys poy kai ayto diejagei, exoyn yphresies, organa, armodiothtes kai anqrwpoys, poy asxoloyntai me ta qemata ayta. Nomizoyme, loipon, pws einai aparaithto, pleon, na dhmioyrghqei enas eniaios foreas, o opoios qa analabei ayto to kaqhkon. Ayth einai h apofash poy labame shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono o k. Tzoymakas, dhladh, diafwnhse;

REPPAS: Den ejefrase diafwnia. Sas eipa oti anaptyssontas tis apoceis toy o k. Tzoymakas qewrhse oti to Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias exei mia tetoia, kata kyrio logo, armodiothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono o k. Tzoymakas;

REPPAS: Mono o k. Tzoymakas -mporw na pw- oti ekane mia tetoia diatypwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Geitonas;

REPPAS: O k. Geitonas, o opoios hrqe kaqysterhmenos sth synedriash giati symmeteixe se koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, eipe oti to qema ayto einai, kyriws, qema dhmosias ygeias. Opws akribws, prin apo ayton, eixe milhsei kai eipe to idio kai o Yfypoyrgos k. Kotswnhs. Alla oloi dexontai -to eipa allwste sthn eisagwgh moy- oti asfalws, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyme th dhmosia ygeia, proxwroyme sth dhmioyrgia aytoy toy Forea. S' ayto symfwnoyme oloi.

EYSTAQIOY: O Prwqypoyrgos ekane kapoia eishghsh sthn enarjh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai ti eipe;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos gia ta qemata poy syzhtoyntai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, kanei mikres eisagwgikes omilies, me bash ta stoixeia ta opoia exei sth diaqesh toy, stoixeia poy exoyn prokycei apo th synergasia toy me toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys. Ayto egine kai shmera. Gia alla qemata o Prwqypoyrgos kanei synhqws anafores. Shmera anaferqhke se qemata poy aforoyn tis ejormhseis probolhs toy kybernhtikoy ergoy kai antimetwpishs, epi topoy, diaforwn problhmatwn, poy prokyptoyn se perioxes ths xwras, apo klimakia diypoyrgikhs synqeshs.

EYSTAQIOY: Dhladh, den enhmerwse gia ta qemata toy Sabbatokyriakoy, gia thn ONE, gia to EYRW k.lp.;

REPPAS: Ekane mia poly mikrh anafora s' ayto to qema o Prwqypoyrgos kai eipame oti to yliko poy yparxei sth diaqesh twn synadelfwn Ypoyrgwn kai olwn twn stelexwn, einai ploysio kai prosferetai, prokeimenoy na exoyme mia plhrh gnwsh, toy ti akribws shmainei h ejelijh ayth twn teleytaiwn hmerwn. Milhse allwste toso ektetamena xqes gi ayto to qema, poy den nomizw oti yphrxe keno gia na epanelqei shmera.

EYSTAQIOY: Aphyqyne kapoies paraineseis gia tis idiwtikopoihseis h gia toys ryqmoys;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti prepei na synexisoyme thn poreia, sthn opoia, hdh, eimaste se para poly kalo shmeio, giati h prospaqeia mas den diakoptetai epeidh akribws eixame ayth thn eyxaristh ejelijh. Isa-isa prepei me thn idia entash na synexistei, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme to teliko stoxo mas. Mexri na ton epityxoyme den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote xalarwsh stis prospaqeies mas. Ayto einai aytonohto kai nomizw oti oloi dexeste pws einai mia poly logikh epishmansh.

PARIS: Qa mporoysate na mas peite pote anamenetai na oloklhrwqei h pwlhsh ths Ionikhs Trapezas, na mas dwsete ena xronodiagramma;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h Emporikh Trapeza meta kai thn anakoinwsh ths qeshs ths Kybernhshs, einai ayth h opoia qa analabei na diaxeiristei ta sxetika qemata. Eipame poia qa einai h diadikasia. Ayth thn wra den yparxei tipota perissotero. H diadikasia mesw ths diaqeshs metoxwn, pleiochfikoy paketoy malista ths Ionikhs Trapezas, syntomotata qa arxisei. Pisteyw oti einai h kalyterh diadikasia poy mporoyse na epilegei prokeimenoy, ektos twn allwn, na diasfalisoyme kai tis qeseis ergasias twn ypallhlwn s' ayto to sygkrothma. Giati yparxei ena qema antidrasewn to opoio gnwrizete kai eseis. Pisteyoyme oti den einai dikaiologhmenes aytes oi antidraseis. Oi ejelijeis, ta epomena xronia, odhgoyn se ena entono antagwnismo metajy kai twn Trapezwn. Trapezes oi opoies einai mikres kai den exoyn isxyres kefalaiakes baseis den einai dynaton na epibiwsoyn me apotelesma to kleisimo twn Trapezwn aytwn na odhgei kai se apwleia ths qeshs ergasias twn oswn shmera asxoloyntai s' ayto ton tomea. Emeis, loipon -antiqetws me o,ti proeblepe mia sxetikh protash, na proxwrhsoyme dhladh se sygxwneysh ths Emporikhs me thn Ionikh, h opoia omws protash-eishghsh qa odhgoyse anagkastikws sthn apolysh 3.500 ypallhlwn- epilejame na proxwrhsoyme se ayth th diadikasia, qetontas, metajy twn allwn, kai ws krithrio ayto to koinwniko megeqos. Th diasfalish, dhladh, toy kaqestwtos ergasias gi' aytoys toys ypallhloys. Pisteyoyme oti ayto apodeiknyei kai eyaisqhsia kai endiaferon gia toys ergazomenoys kai qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyn oti oi synqhkes oi opoies pleon dhmioyrgoyntai se dieqnes epipedo, xwris prostateytismo gia th xwra mas, epiballoyn tetoies tomes.

PARIS: Yparxei politikh apofash na th dwsete sthn PISTEWS;

REPPAS: Den yparxei opoiadhpote politikh apofash. Xwris na exei jekinhsei h diadikasia, den einai dynaton na yparxei apofash opoiasdhpote morfhs. Oi apofaseis lambanontai otan oloklhrwnontai oi diadikasies kai apotimatai to ofelos to opoio exei prokycei yper ths mias h ths allhs epiloghs. Einai poly prowro na milhsoyme gi' ayto ayth thn wra.

PARIS: Jenoi Oikoi exoyn deijei kapoio endiaferon;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw leptomereies, alla sas eipa kai pali oti h diadikasia ayth einai sthn afethria ths. Den einai dynaton, an kapoios filologika h qewrhtika exei ekdhlwsei endiaferon sto plaisio kapoiwn syzhthsewn, ayto na prosmetrhqei ws ekdhlwsh endiaferontos, sto plaisio ayths ths diadikasias. Otan ayth h diadikasia jekinhsei, sto plaisio ayths ths sygkekrimenhs diadikasias, qa klhqoyn oloi oi endiaferomenoi na laboyn meros kai na diekdikhsoyn ayto poy qewroyn oti einai kai gi' aytoys wfelimo.

ELENOPOYLOS: Dyo pragmata gia ta qemata Emporikhs Naytilias. Ws pros toys Organismoys Limenwn yparxei kapoia newterh apofash;

REPPAS: Exoyme apofasisei oti qa proxwrhsoyme se metoxopoihseis. O idiwtikos tomeas se olh thn Eyrwph, se ola ta limania, exei mia shmantikh paroysia kai bohqa ston eksygxronismo kai thn anaptyjh twn limenwn aytwn. Gnwrizete para poly kala oti h leitoyrgia enos limanioy apotelei krisimo megeqos gia thn oikonomia mias xwras. Emeis, loipon, pisteyoyme oti afoy metatrapoyn oi basikoi limenes apo organismoi poy einai shmera se anwnymes etaireies, afoy antimetwpisqoyn orismena leitoyrgika problhmata ta opoia shmera yparxoyn, qa prepei na proxwrhsoyme se metoxopoihseis, kata to protypo allwn parembasewn poy exoyme kanei, prokeimenoy oi limenes aytoi na exoyn mia kalyterh leitoyrgia kai pio apotelesmatikh antimetwpish twn qematwn. Ayto apofasisqhke edw kai para poly kairo. Apla shmera epishmopoihqhke ayto poy htan hdh gnwsto.

KOGIANNHS: Gia poioys limenes milame;

REPPAS: Einai o Organismos Limenos Peiraiws kai o Organismos Limenos Qessalonikhs. Ekei poy yparxoyn organismoi. Se polla apo ta limania ta opoia einai megala gnwrizete oti h diaxeirish ginetai apo ta Limenika Tameia. Miloyme gia toys Organismoys Limenwn.

KIAOS: Egine kapoia anafora kai h dienejh poy eixame ton teleytaio kairo ston Organismo Limenos Peiraiws metajy toy k. Soymakh kai toy k. Klaydianoy;

REPPAS: Den egine anafora s' ayto to qema, oyte teqhke apo opoiondhpote tetoio qema.

ELENOPOYLOS: Sto qema twn elikopterwn poia htan h enhmerwsh poy egine sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio; Poy briskomaste;

REPPAS: Den egine kapoia eidikh enhmerwsh. Apla epeidh einai ena qema poy exete qesei eseis edw, exw na sas pw aytes tis plhrofories apo ton Ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias, o opoios apanthse se sxetikh erwthsh poy toy apeyqynqhke kai sas metaferw thn plhroforhsh thn opoia mas edwse.

FASOYLAS: Eipate ke Ypoyrge, oti sto diasthma apo 15 Maioy ews 15 Ioylioy qa yparxoyn kybernhtika klimakia poy qa episkefqoyn thn eparxia. Se kapoia apo ayta ta klimakia qa teqei epikefalhs kai o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ta klimakia ayta qa episkeptontai diafores perioxes ths xwras. O sxediasmos aytwn twn ejormhsewn ginetai apo diypoyrgikh epitroph, sthn opoia symmetexoyn o k. Papadopoylos, o k. Laliwths, o k. Papadhmas, o k Paxtas kai o k. Pasxalidhs. Stoxos aytwn twn ejormhsewn twn klimakiwn, sta opoia, epanalambanw, qa metexoyn ekproswpoi diaforwn ypoyrgeiwn, stelexh twn ypoyrgeiwn, qa einai na syzhtoyntai problhmata se diafores perioxes ths xwras kai na didontai epitopoy lyseis.

FASOYLAS: O Prwqypoyrgos se kapoia apo ayta qa teqei epikefalhs;

REPPAS: To qema twn periodeiwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai ena allo qema. Sas eipa oti aytes oi ejormhseis exoyn ena allo antikeimeno. To qema twn periodeiwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai ena qema anoixto. Den exoyn lhfqei telikes apofaseis, gia to pote kai poy qa kanei episkeceis o Prwqypoyrgos sthn ellhnikh perifereia.

EYSTAQIOY: Ep' aytoy mhpws yparxoyn kapoies anakoinwseis gia toys epomenoys dyo mhnes; Epeidh nomizw oti yparxoyn kapoies metaboles se sxesh...

REPPAS: Yparxoyn sxedia kai exoyn diatypwqei protaseis gia episkeceis toy Prwqypoyrgos sthn ellhnikh perifereia. Den exei lhfqei opoiadhpote apofash , gi' ayto kai den einai swsto na kanoyme anakoinwseis.

EYSTAQIOY: Epeidh nomizw oti exei anablhqei mia synanthsh me toys Prwqypoyrgoys ths Roymanias, Boylgarias ...

REPPAS: Qa sas enhmerwsw gi' ayto. Einai ena qema to opoio exei teqei edw kai poly kairo. Exei grafei allwste oti prokeitai na ginei mia trimerhs synanthsh twn hgetwn Elladas-Boylgarias kai Roymanias. Eprokeito na ginei sto Nayplio. H synanthsh ayth apofasisqhke telikws na ginei stoys Delfoys telos toy mhna. Menei na ejetastoyn diafores leptomereies.

KIAOS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei th Samo;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den exei apofasistei tipota, prokeimenoy na mporw kai egw na kanw shmera mia epishmh anakoinwsh.

KIAOS: Mhpws aneblhqh;

REPPAS: Oxi, den eixe apofasistei pote tipota. Ara, den tiqetai kai qema akyrwshs h anabolhs. Ola ejetazontai.

KIAOS: Oi episkeceis twn allwn klimakiwn qa synexistoyn ws tis dhmotikes ekloges;

REPPAS: Sas eipa, einai mexri tis 15 Ioylioy. Meta yparxoyn ta perifhma mpania toy laoy kai prepei na dexqeite oti kai oi politikoi, opws kai ta stelexh twn Ypoyrgeiwn, anhkoyn ston ellhniko lao kai dikaioyntai kai aytoi na exoyn mia anapayla.

KOGIANNHS: Otan lete stelexh, poioy epipedoy stelexh ennoeite;

REPPAS: Analogws, qa to krinei kaqe Ypoyrgeio.

KOGIANNHS: Ypoyrgoi kai Yfypoyrgoi qa einai;

REPPAS: Mporei na einai kai Ypoyrgoi kai Yfypoyrgoi. Analogws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos ayrio exei kapoia programmatismenh synanthsh;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei ena programma to opoio, arketes hmeres prin, apofasizetai kai threitai. Ayrio, den problepetai kapoia sygkekrimenh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den problepetai kapoia epishmh h dhmosia drasthriothta. Qa sas anakoinwsw th Deytera poies drasthriothtes qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos entos ths erxomenhs ebdomadas. Ta Sabbatokyriaka, metajy twn allwn, exei th dynatothta na meleta fakeloys, na enhmerwnetai kai na katalhgei se sygkekrimenes epiloges, prokeimenoy apo th Deytera kiolas poy jekina to entono programma toy, na einai etoimos na antimetwpisei ta diafora qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den qa paei sthn enqronish toy Arxiepiskopoy;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei gi' ayto to qema.

KANELLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws ejhgeitai to gegonos oti to Steit Ntipartment, 24 wres meta to qorybo poy egine gia th dhmioyrgia grafeiwn toy RKK sthn Aqhna, kai ta alla sxetika, ekfrazei thn ikanopoihsh toy gia tis ellhnikes ejhghseis poy doqhkan; Den yphrxan aytes oi plhrofories, prin ekfrasei th dysareskeia toy to Steit Ntipartment h einai plhrofories ...;

REPPAS: Den qa dwsw kamia ejhghsh. Apo thn prwth stigmh eipame poia einai h qesh mas. Thn diatypwsame me apolyth safhneia. Den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote kathgoria enantion ths Ellados gi' ayta ta qemata, doqentos oti pote h ellhnikh qesh gia ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me tetoies drasthriothtes, den htan qesh h opoia epidexotan polles ermhneies. Me ayth thn ennoia, einai adikaiologhth olh ayth h kritikh h opoia askhqhke. Xairomaste, bebaiws, kai einai qetiko to oti, estw kai kaqysterhmena, yparxei mia enhmerwsh fainetai kai toy alloy paragonta kai mia anagnwrish oti me synepeia kai h Ellada brisketai sthn idia grammh, opws kai alles xwres ths E.E., antimetwpishs tetoiwn qematwn.

KANELLAKHS: O k. Mperns amesws meta th diadikasia ayth phge sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, an den kanw laqos, na anaferei tis apoceis toy Steit Ntipartment, oti pragmatika einai ikanopoihmeno me tis ellhnikes qeseis. O k. Mperns prin paei kai me bash tis plhrofories toy Steit Ntipartment, den eixe elegjei an yparxei edw grafei h oxi;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati gia to opoio mporeite na exete plhroforhsh apo ton k. Mperns. Egw gnwrizw oti edw kai arketes hmeres exoyme aposafhnisei tis qeseis mas. To jerete ki eseis, exei graftei stis efhmerides poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai exoyme kanei kai sxetikes dhlwseis se diafora epipeda. Nomizw oti ola ayta ta qemata htan gnwsta eyqys ejarxhs, wste den epitrepetai na anaptyssetai peraiterw syzhthsh gia ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H anakoinwsh toy Steit Ntipartment den htan epembash sta eswterika mas; Den eprepe na diamartyrhqoyme gi' ayto;

REPPAS: Kaqe Kybernhsh, gnwrizete poly kala oti anaptyssei tis dikes ths qeseis. H Kybernhsh twn HPA qewrhse oti eprepe na diatypwsei ayth th qesh. Den exoyme kanena logo na kanoyme diabhma diamartyrias, me thn ennoia oti den mas afora arnhtika h qesh ayth, giati den htan qesh kathgorias kata ths Ellados.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mas afora; Pws den mas afora; Thn Ellada afora.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Htan qesh h opoia ejefraze thn politikh twn HPA afenos kai afeteroy zhtoyse mia plhroforia gia to poia einai h qesh ths Ellados. Alla, h qesh ths Ellados eixe ginei gnwsth arketes hmeres prin. Den kathgorhqhke h Ellada, prokeimenoy na yparxei logos apo th dikh mas pleyra na antidrasoyme analogws.

PARIS: Hqela na rwthsw pws aisqanetai h Kybernhsh apo th xamhlh proseleysh thn opoia qa exei ayto to Symboylio poy pragmatopoieitai sth Rodo; Oyte o k. Kinkel erxetai, oyte o Bretanos, oyte o Gallos. Kai enocei malista oti qa yphrxan shmantikes apofaseis. Giati sth Boyliagmenh, poy eixan synanthqei oi arxhgoi twn Epiteleiwn, yphrxan pros egkrish shmantika qemata. Kai jafnika den erxontai oi pio basikoi.

REPPAS: Den qa apanthsw ek meroys allwn Kybernhsewn. Gnwrizete oti askoyme thn Proedria ths Dytikoeyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Einai enas shmantikos dieqnhs organismos. H prospaqeia poy qa kanoyme ws xwra poy exei thn Proedria, qa einai sthn kateyqynsh na aposafhnisoyme, akomh perissotero, thn taytothta aytoy toy Organismoy. Na ton enisxysoyme, prokeimenoy na anadeixqei sta kaqhkonta ta opoia prepei na askei h na exei th dynatothta na askei. Giati shmera den exei ayth th dynatothta. Kai nomizw oti h Dytikoeyrwpaikh Enwsh ta perissotera xronia mexri twra, bebaiws, eixe enan politiko rolo. Ta epomena xronia emeis qa symbaloyme -ayth einai h qesh mas- wste na exei kai ena rolo ektelestiko twn apofasewn poy lambanontai. Ayto einai to nohma ths dikhs mas Proedrias. Pisteyw oti s' ayth thn kateyqynsh qa deijoyn endiaferon kai oi alles xwres poy symmetexoyn sth DEE. Oi ekproswpoi twn Kybernhsewn stis opoies anaferqhkate, pisteyw oti qa exoyn mia qetikh kai gonimh paroysia sto plaisio aytwn twn synedriasewn, wste na symbaloyn apo th dikh toys pleyra.

KIAOS: Ti exete na apanthsete s' ayta poy sas katalogise h "Eleyqerotypia" xqes, gia to qema toy "Jysto" kai th symbash poy exei ypografei kai synexizetai ktl;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti einai anypostatoi oi isxyrismoi ths efhmeridas etsi opws anaptyssontai kai oti ta epixeirhmata ta opoia xrhsimopoiei einai kapoia politika epixeirhmata, ta opoia den exoyn nomikh bash. Ta stoixeia einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy. Edwse apanthsh to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn me deltio Typoy poy ejedwse xqes. Shmera, to qema ayto syzhteitai sto plaisio toy koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy, sth Boylh. Apanta o armodios Ypoyrgos. Den einai dynaton egw na ypokatasthsw ton armodio Ypoyrgo. Pisteyw oti einai adikoi kai asthriktoi aytoi oi isxyrismoi ths efhmeridas. Pantelws adikoi kai pantelws asthriktoi. Kai prepei na sas pw oti yparxei protash, thn opoia exei kanei h Epitroph Dioikhshs Kratikwn Laxeiwn, h opoia eishgeitai akribws apo to 1997, na mhn ananewqei h yparxoysa symbash (h symbash dhladh, h opoia einai se ejelijh) kai proteinei na ginei diapragmateysh, prokeimenoy me ton anadoxo na synafqei mia nea symbash h na analhfqei h diaxeirish apo thn Epitroph Kratikwn Laxeiwn. Ayta ta dyo. Den qetei opoiodhpote allo qema. Prepei na pw oti ola exoyn ginei me apolyth diafaneia kai antikeimenikothta. Allwste, h idia h Kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia entopise adynamies sth symbash kai aneqese se organa toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn na asxolhqoyn kai na diatypwsoyn eishghsh. Oi eishghseis tis opoies diatypwsan ta organa ayta, qa lhfqoyn sobara ypoch kai qa apotelesoyn to plaisio, entos toy opoioy qa kinhqei h Kybernhsh gia na parei tis telikes apofaseis. To Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, nomizw oti kanei kala th doyleia toy s' ayto ton tomea. Parakalw, loipon, na syzhtoyme me ena tetoio tropo, o opoios den dhmioyrgei ceydeis entypwseis, giati ayto den wfelei th dhmosia zwh ths xwras, (oxi mono toys politikoys, oyte ta Mesa Enhmerwshs), alla dhlhthriazei kai th sxesh twn politwn me toys koinwnikoys foreis, opws einai ta Mesa Enhmerwshs, alla kai me toys politikoys. Kai ayto den nomizw oti einai kati poy to exei anagkh shmera o topos. Antiqetws, qa elega oti qa prepei h peira ths zwhs polla na mas exei didajei. Kai otan prepei na kathgorhsoyme h na steiloyme kapoion ston Eisaggelea na to kanoyme xwris distagmo, paroysiazontas, omws, sygkekrimena stoixeia. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, se mia anoixth dhmokratikh koinwnia, eleyqeros einai o kaqenas na leei tis apoceis toy kai na anaptyssei ta epixeirhmata toy. Ayto einai paradekto, einai swsto, alla ki ayto qa prepei na ginetai me enan kosmio tropo kai xwris yperboles.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish. Se poion anafereste otan lete oti dhlhthriazei, opws eipate.

REPPAS: Milw genika. Milw se epipedo arxwn. Nomizw oti h diazeyktikh erwthsh poy qetei shmera h "Eleyqerotypia" anaferomenos o syntakths sto synadelfo k. Dry, me to erwthma "einai diaplekomenos h einai afelhs", einai adikh gia ton k. Dry. Apo poy prokyptei oti mporei na einai "diaplekomenos"; Poia einai ayta ta stoixeia ta opoia exei sth diaqesh toy o grafwn to sxetiko qema kai poy sthrizei toys isxyrismoys toy; Gi' ayto lew oti prepei, an yparxoyn kapoia stoixeia, o opoiosdhpote, oso chla ki an brisketai, na odhgeitai ston Eisaggelea kai na toy apodidontai oi eyqynes poy exei. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, prepei na yparxei enas kanonas kai ena metro, to opoio na ginetai sebasto apo oloys. Ayto einai mia genikh qesh, thn opoia diatypwnw giati qewrw oti kai pali einai epikairo na to kanw ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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