Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-03-31

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Martioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Einai polla ta qemata ths epikairothtas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas, gia na ta anadeijoyme mesa apo to dialogo.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me thn enarjh entajiakwn diapragmateysewn Kyproy-Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, oi opoies hdh arxisan, Toyrkia kai Ntenktas ektroxiasthkan, opws gnwrizete kai apeiloyn me prosarthsh twn katexomenwn kai me polemo, thn Kypro. Qa hqela, epishs, na sxoliasete kai thn antidrastikh qesh Gallias, Germanias kai Italias, oson afora to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E..

REPPAS: H entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. apotelei apofash, h opoia exei lhfqei apo ta armodia organa ths. Einai se efarmogh -sto prwto stadio estw, alla se efarmogh- h apofash ayth. Den einai dynaton, para ta empodia ta opoia kapoioi dhmioyrgoyn, na akyrwqei ayth h prooptikh gia thn Kypro. H Toyrkia kai o Ntenktas, me diafores qeseis poy diatypwnoyn, kat' epanalhch, deixnoyn oti den qeloyn na symbaloyn sthn kateyqynsh ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E., prokeimenoy na wfelhqei h Megalonhsos, alla kai oi Toyrkokyprioi, ws kommati toy laoy ths Kyproy. Me ayth thn ennoia prosferoyn poly kakh yphresia, oxi mono stoys Toyrkokyprioys, alla kai sthn Toyrkia. Me th stash ayth apokalyptetai o pragmatikos xarakthras ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias. Pisteyoyme oti apomonwnetai. H Kybernhsh Klhridh einai h nomimh Kybernhsh, poy exei anagnwrisei o OHE. Den einai qema politikwn dieyqethsewn poios ekproswpei epishmws sth Dieqnh Koinothta thn Kypro. Einai kati gia to opoio exei apofasisei h Dieqnhs Koinothta. Exei kleisei to qema ayto. Me ayth thn ennoia otan h Toyrkia epanerxetai, pisteyw oti den epitygxanei tipota allo, para na apodeiknyei thn kakh pisth ths h thn arnhsh ths, sthn opoia exei perixarakwqei. Jerete, otan exeis mia tetoia antiparagwgikh stash kai qesh den einai dynaton na ginesai dektos sth dieqnh synergasia. Nomizw, loipon, oti h Toyrkia analambanei ayto to kostos.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sto Loyjemboyrgo elhfqh h apofash gia to qema ths enarjhs entajiakwn synomiliwn ths Kyproy me thn E.E., thn opoia synapofasisan 15 xwres, kaqws kai h Germania, h Italia kai oi alles, antidrastikes shmera, dynameis sthn Eyrwph, gia thn Kypro. Dierwtwmai, giati twra antidroyn, otan tote apofasisan;

REPPAS: Den yparxoyn antidrastikes dynameis. Den qa symfwnhsw me ayto to xarakthrismo. H apofash toy Symboylioy Koryfhs toy Loyjemboyrgoy einai isxyrh. Ayth exei teqei se efarmogh. Epibebaiwqhke, arketes fores apo tote, oti h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. apotelei stereh epilogh ths E.E.. Den einai dynaton, dhlwseis tis opoies kanoyn ajiwmatoyxoi kata kairoys, gia diaforoys logoys -toys opoioys den einai anagkh ayth thn wra na ermhneysw- na odhgoyn sto symperasma oti yparxei kapoia amfibolia h oti talanteyetai h E.E., oson afora to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy s' aythn. Den yparxei tetoio qema. H poreia ths Kyproy sthn E.E. einai dedomenh.

KIAOS: Sxetika me dhlwseis toy k. Mperns se omilia toy, poy htan epishmh, sth Qessalonikh, poy synista tropon tina sthn Kybernhsh na allajei thn ergatikh nomoqesia, na parei metra gia thn tromokratia k.lp., ti leei h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Oi dhlwseis toy k. Mperns kai oi ektimhseis toy den mas briskoyn symfwnoys. Allwste, den symfwnei mazi toy kai to Geniko Projeneio twn HPA sth Qessalonikh. Gnwrizete, para poly kala, oti oi ellhnikes diwktikes arxes synergazontai me tis armodies yphresies twn allwn xwrwn ths E.E. gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias. Tetoia synergasia yparxei kai me tis armodies yphresies twn HPA. To fainomeno ths tromokratias exei mia megalh ejaplwsh, edw kai arketa xronia, se olo ton kosmo. Prepei synergazomenoi na to antimetwpisoyme apo koinoy. En pash periptwsei den einai h Ellada h xwra ekeinh, h opoia mporei na proballetai ws xwra poy anqei h tromokratia. Antiqetws, mporw na anaferw paradeigmata allwn xwrwn -mhde ejairoymenhs ths megalhs ayths xwras, twn HPA- opoy ta fainomena tromokratias exoyn ki ekei thn analogh diastash toys. Oson afora tis epiloges ths Kybernhshs gia thn antimetwpish twn koinwnikwn kai ergasiakwn qematwn qa prepei na pw oti aytes ginontai me gnwmona to dhmosio kai to koinwniko symferon. Mia proodeytikh Kybernhsh, se ena periballon opoy epikratei, pleon, h antagwnistikothta, opoy den yparxei, pleon prostateytismos, logiko einai na proxwra se epiloges tetoies, oi opoies dinoyn thn analogh eyelijia kai apotelesmatikothta stis leitoyrgies ths koinwnias. Den prepei, omws, na ftanei mexri ekeinoy toy shmeioy, wste na afhnei akalyptoys toys ergazomenoys, giati h kinhthria dynamh mias koinwnias einai oi ergazomenoi polites ths. An exei allh apoch h kybernhsh twn HPA kai o k. Mperns, as thn krathsei gia ton eayton toy. Dikh mas apoch einai oti se synergasia me toys ergazomenoys qa proxwrhsoyme se oles ekeines tis allages poy afenos parexoyn prostasia sthn ergasia toys kai afeteroy dhmioyrgoyn nees dynatothtes kai eykairies gia thn Ellada toy 21oy aiwna.

KIAOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ena trito qema, ena trito shmeio toy, ayta poy eipe peri Makedonias kai Makedonwn. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Sto qema ayto gnwrizete oti exei ekdoqei anakoinwsh apo to geniko Projeneio ths Qessalonikhs...

KIAOS: Sas kalyptei;

REPPAS: ... opoy anaferetai oti ek paradromhs xrhsimopoihse ayth th lejh o k. Mperns. Mas kalyptei apolyta. Gnwrizete poia einai h politikh poy akoloyqoyme se ayto to qema.

KIAOS: Gi' ayta ta tria shmeia h estw ta dyo prwta -gia ta tria egw rwtw- qa probeite ws Kybernhsh se sygkekrimenh energeia pros thn Amerikanikh Presbeia, pros ton presbeyth, pros thn amerikanikh kybernhsh h arkoyn oi dhlwseis sas aytes;

REPPAS: Oi dhlwseis tis opoies kanw pisteyw oti dinoyn to plaisio ths proseggishs mas gia ta qemata ta opoia eqighsan kata thn omilia toy Amerikanoy presbh. Den exoyme logo na proxwrhsoyme sth diatypwsh kapoias diamartyrias, den qewroyme oti yparxei h aitia gi' ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn kai twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai me toys armodioys toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, qa yparjei dynatothta na syzhthqoyn ola ayta ta qemata me ton Amerikano presbh.

KIAOS: Ti prytaneyse sthn Kybernhsh kai kateqese to nomosxedio gia thn "OLYMPIAKH", enw htan en ejelijei o dialogos me toys ergazomenoys, xwris na exei teleiwsei, dhladh;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei, kat' epanalhch, oti en ocei toy Pasxa, afenos, en ocei ths toyristikhs periodoy, afeteroy, qa prepei to syntomotero dynato na oloklhrwsoyme tis prwtoboylies mas gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths O.A., prokeimenoy na epityxoyme thn ejygiansh kai thn anaptyjh ths. Thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh, eipa oti "ta xronika oria toy dialogoy einai mexri thn Kyriakh", mexri proxqes, dhladh. Htan, logiko -giati htan se gnwsh toso twn ergazomenwn, oso kai ths dioikhshs ths O.A.- th Deytera na proxwrhsei h Kybernhsh sthn kataqesh toy nomosxedioy gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos, ef' oson den eixe prokycei symfwnia se ola ta shmeia, ta opoia teqhkan pros syzhthsh, metajy ths dioikhshs kai twn ergazomenwn. O dialogos eixe oloklhrwqei tis prwines wres ths Deyteras. Eixe dwsei toys karpoys toy. Yphrxan shmeia symfwnias ta opoia ajiopoioyntai. Yphrxan shmeia poly shmantikhs kai idiaiterhs shmasias, opws ayta poy aforoyn thn eyelijia h th misqodosia twn ergazomenwn sthn O.A., sta opoia den exei prokycei symfwnia. H dioikhsh ths O.A. synedriaze. Den htan se ejelijh kapoios dialogos ths dioikhshs me toys ergazomenoys. Ayto den einai alhqes. To dieykrinizw, epeidh eida na anaferetai kai na grafetai. Ef' oson, loipon, eixe oloklhrwqei ayto to stadio ths proseggishs mas sto qema ths O.A., proxwrhsame sto epomeno poy htan h kataqesh ayths ths nomoqetikhs ryqmishs sth Boylh. Ayto egine.

KIAOS: Ara, qa proxwrhsei kai qa chfistei ayto to sxedio, opws kateteqh;

REPPAS: H epiqymia ths Kybernhshs einai na oloklhrwqei h syzhthsh sth Boylh to syntomotero dynato, wste h prwtoboylia ayth na parei, pleon, to xarakthra nomoy. Epeidh omws, opws kat' epanalhch eipa, kaqe mera poy pernaei einai san na afairoyme ojygono apo thn O.A., an den antimetwpisoyme to megalo problhma, h epiqymia mas einai na proxwrhsoyme se symfwnia me toys ergazomenoys. Kaqws qa ejelissetai h syzhthsh sth Boylh mexri na chfistei to nomosxedio sthn Olomeleia, yparxei periqwrio na ginoyn epoikodomhtikes protaseis, oi opoies beltiwnoyn ayth thn protash kai na enswmatwqoyn sto keimeno toy nomosxedioy. Nomizw, omws -opws to antilambaneste ki eseis- oti einai koinh eyqynh olwn mas na mh xasoyme xrono. Prepei, to syntomotero dynato, na proxwrhsoyme sthn oloklhrwsh aytwn twn ryqmisewn. Pisteyw oti oi ryqmiseis aytes apoteloyn ena plhres politiko plaisio gia thn ejygiansh kai thn anaptyjh ths O.A..

MIXAHL: Toso o k. Mantelhs, xqes kai shmera to prwi sta radiofwna, oso ki eseis, tis prohgoymenes hmeres, eipate oti kataqesate ayto to nomosxedio sto telos toy dialogoy, telos pantwn, ayths ths diadikasias, giati den mporei na perimenei allo h katastash kai prepei na lyqei to qema ths O.A.. Kai, epishs, prosqesate oti den qa cajete na breite ti egine sto parelqon, dedomenoy oti h doyleia sas einai na dwsete lysh sto problhma. Me poies eggyhseis qa to kanete ayto; Giati, twra ayto to nomosxedio an efarmostei qa apodwsei osa den apedwse. Giati, kapoies kybernhseis -kai toy PASOK toy opoioy eiste eseis synexeia- efarmosan prohgoymena programmata kai apetyxan. Giati, twra qa petyxete eseis;

REPPAS: Epeidh, akribws, ayth th fora yparxei isxyrh boylhsh na proxwrhsoyme se tomes oi opoies den eginan. Oi tomes aytes anaferontai sthn allagh toy genikoy kanonismoy proswpikoy, sth domh kai leitoyrgia ths epixeirhshs kai, bebaiws, stis aparaithtes allages, oson afora thn emporikh politikh poy akoloyqei. Einai systatika stoixeia enos programmatos ejygianshs. Ta stoixeia ayta den anadeixqhkan, thn prohgoymenh periodo, sto baqmo poy qa eprepe, doqentos oti yphrjan oi ryqmiseis, oson afora thn analhch toy xreoys ths O.A. apo to Dhmosio, yphrje h xrhmatodothsh twn elleimmatwn ths O.A. se megalo baqmo, alla den proxwrhsame stis allages ekeines sto eswteriko ths epixeirhshs, stis opoies eprepe na proxwrhsoyme. Ayto to kanoyme twra. Pisteyoyme, loipon, oti ayto apotelei thn poly shmantikh eggyhsh, oti qa epityxei ayto to sxedio ejygianshs. Poly perissotero poy oloi antilambanontai, pleon, oti den exoyme xronika periqwria. Den exoyme th dynatothta pia na spataloyme to endiaferon mas, filologwntas peri ths swthrias toy eqnikoy aerometaforea. Qa prepei, to syntomotero dynato, na proxwrhsoyme se tomes, oi opoies apoteloyn kai lysh sto problhma. Kai ayto kanoyme twra.

MIXAHL: Afoy, loipon, anagnwrizete oti, thn prohgoymenh fora, den aggijan ta programmata ejygianshs ayta poy twra anaferete kai twra yparxei isxyrh boylhsh gi' ayto, qa anazhthsete politikes eyqynes; Den zhtw na mas peite poy phgan ta xrhmata ths E.E., giati, opws swsta leei o k. Mantelhs, h doyleia toy einai na dwsei lysh twra. Alla politikes eyqynes yparxoyn. Ara, oi prohgoymenoi synadelfoi sas qa prepei na ftaine poy den ta aggijan...

REPPAS: Gnwrizete, poly kala, oti oi dioikhseis mias A.E., opws oi dioikhseis ths O.A., exoyn ena eyrytato plaisio kinhsewn. Gnwrizete para poly kala oti exoyn perasei arketa xronia, arketos kairos apo tote poy to prwton syzhthqhke to sxedio ejygianshs ths O.A.. Den einai o rolos mas, rolos dikasth, den mporoyme ayth thn wra na kataneimoyme eyqynes. Ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme einai na synergastoyme, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ena poly kayto problhma. Ayto kanoyme, giati ayto proexei. An qelete apo politikoi na metablhqoyme se filologoys ths politikhs, mporw kallista na sas pw oti ateleiwtes wres qa syzhtame gia to ti einai ayto to opoio den egine, opws eprepe na ginei. Ayto as to kanei h Antipoliteysh, as to kanoyn ta alla kommata. Emeis exoyme epifylajei gia ton eayto mas enan allo rolo. Emeis prepei me to sygkekrimeno ergo to opoio paragoyme na dinoyme lysh sta problhmata poy apasxoloyn thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Ayto kanoyme sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti den qelete na katalogisete eyqynes einai katanohto, toylaxiston apo emena. To qema, omws, einai to ejhs: "oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis den eixan thn politikh boylhsh", lete. Synepws, gia to problhma eyqynontai kai oi idies. Eseis, loipon, oso den aggizete tis politikes eyqynes twn prohgoymenwn, pws qa exete thn ajiopistia twra na efarmosete ayto to programma kai na apodwsei; Giati na pistecw, egw o poliths, oti exete thn isxyrh boylhsh, otan kapoia allh kybernhsh prin ena, dyo xronia eixe, epishs, th boylhsh na lysei to problhma ths O.A. kai den to ekane;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw, pws den exw thn polyteleia na metablhqw se filologo ths politikhs, kati poy peripoy moy zhtate na kanw. Ayto to opoio epanalambanw, einai toyto kai mono toyto: to ergo ths ejygianshs ths O.A. einai se ejelijh. Qa kriqoyme apo to an qa epityxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Pisteyw oti otan erqei h wra kai oloklhrwqei ayth h prwtoboylia gia thn ejygiansh ths O.A., me ta poly qetika apotelesmata poy pisteyw oti qa prokycoyn kai eseis kai o Ellhnikos Laos qa mas krinei qetika. Ayto einai to opoio exei shmasia.

MIXAHL: Kai kati teleytaio gia na kleisoyme: Yparxei periptwsh na pwlhqei h O.A. para to gegonos oti qa chfistei to nomosxedio kai qa efarmozetai;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Den mas apasxolei tetoio qema. Stoxos mas einai na ejygianqei h O.A. kai na ginei mia isxyrh epixeirhsh se ena antagwnistiko dieqnes periballon. Aytos einai o stoxos mas.

KIAOS: O k. Tsakiridhs parhthqh;

REPPAS: O k. Tsakiridhs den paraithqhke. Gnwrizete oti eixe, xqes, mia epikoinwnia me ton Ypoyrgo Metaforwn. Ekdhlwse thn proqesh na ypobalei paraithsh, alla se mia cyxologikh katastash tetoia sthn opoia briskotan, dikaiologeitai mia tetoia antidrash. Mporoyme na poyme oti eixame ena oionei kaqestws bias. Mia megalh piesh, h opoia toy askhqhke apo th fora poy eixan parei ta pragmata. O k. Tsakiridhs paramenei sth qesh toy. Den exei ypoballei epishma paraithsh. Me ayth thn ennoia, synexizei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy.

KIAOS: Apo poion askhqhke bia;

REPPAS: Apo th fora poy eixan parei ta pragmata, eipa.

KIAOS: Apo poion piesthke;

REPPAS: Apo th fora twn pragmatwn.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, einai kapoioi paragontes poy...

REPPAS: Oi synqhkes poy dhmioyrgoyntai, kyrie Kiao.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, oi synqhkes einai to apotelesma twn energeiwn anqrwpwn. Poioi anqrwpoi, loipon...;

REPPAS: Polles fores einai kai apotelesma kai allwn paragontwn. Me ayth thn ennoia, den yparxei tetoio qema. Synexizei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy o k. Tsakiridhs kai pisteyoyme oti qa oloklhrwsei me epityxia to ergo, to opoio anelabe.

KIAOS: Htan en gnwsei toy to nomosxedio;

REPPAS: Asfalws, giati o k. Tsakiridhs, opws kai oi ergazomenoi -to eipa sthn arxh- gnwrizan pws yparxei ena xroniko orio entos toy opoioy qa eprepe na oloklhrwqei o dialogos aytos. Apo kei kai pera, thn prwtoboylia thn exei h Kybernhsh. Eipa polles fores oti h Kybernhsh einai etoimh na analabei tis prwtoboylies poy ths analogoyn, sthn epiqymia mas na ejygianoyme thn O.A.

KIAOS: Allo ayto. To keimeno to hjere o k. Tsakiridhs; Ayto rwtaw, tipote allo.

REPPAS: H nomoqetikh prwtoboylia poy eprokeito na analabei h Kybernhsh htan se gnwsh olwn twn emplekomenwn forewn kai ths Dioikhshs ths O.A. kai twn ergazomenwn.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xronika h "paraithsh" toy k. Tsakiridh ypoblhqhke apo th stigmh poy phre h Kybernhsh thn apofash dia toy k. Mantelh na kataqesei ena nomosxedio poy diaforopoioyse plhrws to arxiko. Kai, bebaiws, eixe diafwnhsei gi' ayto o k. Tsakiridhs. Ws pros ayto to shmeio mporeite na mas dwsete mia ejhghsh;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den ypoblhqhke h paraithsh. Sas eipa epishs oti oi logoi, oi opoioi odhghsan s' ayth thn antidrash ton k. Tsakiridh, mporoyn na anazhthqoyn stis synqhkes pieshs kai entashs poy dhmioyrghqhkan ekeinh th stigmh. O k. Tsakiridhs ejakoloyqei na askei ta kaqhkonta toy.

ELENOPOYLOS: Pantws, kyrie Ypoyrge, prepei na sas enhmerwsw oti sta deltia eidhsewn twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn, stis 13:00, plhrofories anaferoyn apo to periballon toy, oti o k. Tsakiridhs telei ypo paraithsh.

REPPAS: Kyrie Elenopoyle, sas lew oti paramenei kai askei ta kaqhkonta toy.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kati ap' ola mporei na isxyei.

REPPAS: Profanws, qa prepei na anazhthsete eyqynes sta deltia eidhsewn kai stoys synadelfoys sas, oi opoioi miloyn me ayto ton tropo. Giati prepei, opwsdhpote, na exoyn dikio oi synadelfoi sas, oi opoioi miloyn peri "paraithshs" toy k. Tsakiridh; Apo poy prokyptei ayto; Einai qesfato; Egw sas lew oti paramenei sth qesh toy kai askei ta kaqhkonta toy. Kai den exei epiballei opoiosdhpote ston k. Tsakiridh na parameinei sth qesh toy. Sas janalew oti o k. Tsakiridhs den exei ypobalei epishma opoiadhpote paraithsh.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi ergazomenoi me dhlwseis toys, shmera to prwi, sta radiofwna, anaferoyn oti me to neo nomosxedio kai thn kainoyrgia stash ths Kybernhshs anatrepetai plhrws to ergasiako kaqestws sthn O.A. S' ayto epimenoyn kai opwsdhpote diafwnoyn kai ap' o,ti maqainoyme etoimazontai gia katalhceis sta aerodromia k.lp.

REPPAS: Oi ergazomenoi apoteloyn enan paragonta, o opoios mporei na symbalei apofasistika sthn ejygiansh ths O.A. Emeis epiqymoyme ayth h synergasia na synexistei sto mellon. Giati den einai dynaton na perimenei kaneis oti mia megalh epixeirhsh, opws einai h O.A., mporei na katastei antagwnistikh, an den symbaloyn s' ayth thn kateyqynsh kai oi ergazomenoi sthn epixeirhsh. Oi allages oi opoies prowqoyntai oson afora ta ergasiaka qemata, einai allages kai ryqmiseis, oi opoies yparxoyn hdh se alles aeroporikes etaireies xwrwn ths E.E. Ayth h eyelijia, oson afora to wrario, yparxei. Ayth h emporikh politikh thn opoia prowqoyme, yparxei kai problepetai sto plaisio leitoyrgias allwn aeroporikwn etaireiwn se xwres ths E.E. Kai moy dinete thn eykairia na pw -epeidh yparxei kai kati to opoio exei paranohqei kai den fantazomai oti yparxei tetoia kakopistia wste na proballetai me ayton ton aneilikrinh, ceydh tropo ayto to qema- oti yparxei o nomos 173/1967, o opoios problepei to anwtato orio apozhmiwsewn poy dinontai se osoys apoxwroyn h apolyontai apo to Dhmosio h tis epixeirhseis poy elegxontai h anhkoyn sto Dhmosio. Den einai nomos o opoios xrhsimopoieitai gia na apolyqoyn kapoioi apo thn O.A. To epishmainw ayto giati dinetai ayth h ermhneia. Aplws einai nomos poy problepei tis apozhmiwseis poy dinontai se oles tis epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy, eite einai OTE, eite einai O.A. Prepei na sas pw oti yparxei prosfath apofash ths Olomeleias toy Areioy Pagoy poy qewrei pws o nomos aytos einai isxyros, einai syntagmatikos kai me ayth thn ennoia mporei na xrhsimopoieitai. Den einai kapoia empneysh prokeimenoy na diwjoyme apo thn O.A. ergazomenoys sympolites mas. Kaqe allo.

KIAOS: Ep' aytoy poy lete, epimenete oti ayto isxyei se oles tis dhmosies epixeirhseis poy briskontai ypo ton elegxo toy Dhmosioy, xwris kamia ejairesh, oyte se Trapezes, oyte se Dhmosies epixeirhseis, opoy oi apozhmiwseis aytwn poy apoxwroyn logw ghratos k.lp. einai pollaplasia ekatommyria, anti gia 1,5 ekatommyrio;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, einai apozhmiwseis oi opoies didontai s' aytoys, gia toys opoioys ypografetai Syllogikh Symbash Ergasias, poy ergazontai se mia epixeirhsh toy Dhmosioy. Kai anaferomai se tria paradeigmata, opws einai h DEH, opws einai o OTE, opws einai h O.A. Oi epixeirhseis aytes anaferontai ston anagkastiko nomo 173/1967. Den einai ryqmish, h opoia efarmozetai gia na apoxwrhsoyn kapoioi apo thn O.A., gia na apolyqoyn. Einai ryqmish h opoia problepei to ycos ths apozhmiwshs poy qa xorhghqei s' ekeinoys oi opoioi apoxwroyn apo mia epixeirhsh.

KIAOS: H apozhmiwsh ayth einai eniaia, opws eipate h diaforetikh;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti aforoyn tis epixeirhseis, tis legomenes DEKO, oi opoies exoyn entaxqei ston eyrytero Dhmosio Tomea.

KIAOS: Den moy apanthsate.

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa.

KIAOS: Epanerxomai: Isxyei, dhladh, h idia ryqmish kai gia thn ERT kai gia th DEH kai gia thn O.A.;

REPPAS: Akribws.

KIAOS: Oxi. Epitrecte moy na pw oti kanete laqos.

REPPAS: Mhn epimenete. Aytes oi ryqmiseis isxyoyn gia tis epixeirhseis poy briskontai katw apo ton elegxo toy Dhmosioy, opws einai h DEH, o OTE, h O.A. en prokeimenw.

SOYGLERHS: Dhladh aytes oi ryqmiseis aforoyn kai tis astikes sygkoinwnies; Qa diepontai apo ayto to kaqestws; Qa doyme tis idies eikones ki ekei;

REPPAS: Qa ta antimetwpisoyme ayta ta qemata me meqodiko tropo. Ayto to opoio moy dinete aformh na pw me thn erwthsh sas, einai to ejhs: H O.A. einai mia idiaiterh periptwsh. Den qa prepei na qewreitai ayto to opoio ginetai sthn O.A. ws dedomeno h prohgoymeno gia tis prwtoboylies poy qa analaboyme, oson afora tis alles Koinwfeleis Epixeirhseis. Gnwrizete oti o rolos ths O.A. einai idiomorfos. Shmera thn antimetwpizoyme me ayto ton idiaitero kai poly eidiko tropo.

SOYGLERHS: Ma, kyrie Ypoyrge, jekaqara oi ergazomenoi kai o Proedros toys milane gia ejanagkasmo ths Kybernhshs poy prowqei ayto to nomosxedio, na toys parasyrei se paraithsh.

REPPAS: Mporoyn na dexqoyn oi ergazomenoi na parameinoyn me to neo kaqestws sxesewn, to opoio problepei o sygkekrimenos nomos kai na synexisoyn na ergazontai sthn O.A. Den toys ypoxrewnei kaneis na apoxwrhsoyn. Qa prepei na ginoyn kapoies allages, giati bebaiws, se polloys tomeis h O.A. diakrinetai gia ena polyteles kaqestws ergasias, to opoio den synantas se alles etaireies xwrwn ths E.E. Giati de prepei na to antimetwpisoyme ayto;

SOYGLERHS: Dhladh pame se mia kainoyrgia etaireia, me liga logia, me allo kaqestws; Pera apo thn epwnymia.

REPPAS: H O.A. exei sygkekrimenh Dioikhsh, h opoia paramenei kai synexizei to ergo ths. H O.A. me bash tis nees allages, epiqymei na diathrhsei to ajiologotato proswpiko to opoio diaqetei, poy prepei na meinei kai na synexisei na ergazetai me toys neoys oroys poy problepei o nomos.

SOYRMELH: Epeidh den exw katalabei kati, aytos o nomos poy leei oti meta th dhmosieysh sthn efhmerida ths Kybernhshs, mesa se pente meres, an den dhlwsoyn oti paramenoyn alla paraitoyntai qa paroyn apozhmiwsh 1.500.000 ews 1.900.000;

REPPAS: Thn apozhmiwsh poy problepei o nomos gia ton opoio syzhthsame molis prin.

SOYRMELH: Poy isxyei apo to 1967. Ayto anejarthta apo thn proyphresia toys;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti o nomos aytos problepei me tis diatajeis toy, poia akribws apozhmiwsh isxyei s' aytes tis periptwseis. Ayto exei isxysei se oles tis periptwseis, oi opoies mexri shmera exoyn antimetwpistei. Me ton idio tropo qa antimetwpistei kai h periptwsh ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias.

SOYRMELH: Dhladh, anejarthta apo thn proyphresia poy exoyn jexwrista. Me sygxwreite poy sas rwtw, giati qelw na katalabw pws aytoi poy feygoyn oikeioqelws pairnoyn poly megalyterh apozhmiwsh.

REPPAS: Einai safes ayto to opoio exw pei. Den einai dynato na janagyrisoyme sto kaqestws syntajiodothshs, to opoio problepotan sto plaisio toy programmatos ejygianshs ths Olympiakhs, opoy kapoioi phran shmantika xrhmatika posa, prokeimenoy na apoxwrhsoyn apo thn etairia. Den einai dynato na dwsoyme, fer' eipein, 20 ekatommyria draxmes me ta shmerina dedomena, se kapoion poy apoxwrei apo thn epixeirhsh. Tote den pame se programma ejygianshs, pame se programma peraiterw katabaraqrwshs ths O.A. Apo ekei kai pera oi apozhmiwseis aytes, epanalambanw, problepontai apo to sygkekrimeno nomo kai isxyoyn se oles tis analoges periptwseis. Ayto isxyei kai en prokeimenw.

PITTARAS: Me oles aytes tis allages ephreazontai kapoies yphresies ths O.A., kai dikaiwmata poy mporei na exei se jena aerodromia h kapoies yphresies edafoys. Xanontai ayta;

REPPAS: Gi' ayto akribws eipa kai prin oti h O.A. synexizei na leitoyrgei me to emporiko shma kai me th morfh poy exei shmera ws epixeirhsh, giati etsi diasfalizoyme kai ta dikaiwmata poy exei apokthsei h O.A. se jena aerodromia, meta apo tosa xronia. Ayta einai perioysiaka stoixeia ths O.A. kai prepei na sas pw, oti einai kaqe allo para amelhtea posothta. Ta dikaiwmata ayta einai poly shmantika.

ZHKIDHS: Xqes, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos dhlwse oti den prokeitai na ginoyn allages stis ergasiakes sxeseis.

REPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, milhse se mia sygkentrwsh ths foithtikhs paratajhs, h opoia proskeitai politika sto Kinhma mas, prokeimenoy na enisxysei thn prospaqeia twn foithtwn, enocei twn foithtikwn eklogwn. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, eipe tis apoceis toy sto plaisio ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Eipe pragmata ta opoia einai aytonohta.

KIAOS: Gi' ayto ta eipe etsi opws ta eipe;

REPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos milhse se mia ekdhlwsh, prokeimenoy na analysei thn politikh toy PASOK kai na dwsei politika epixeirhmata antiparaqeshs, stoys foithtes poy proskeintai s' ayth thn paratajh, ston agwna poy kanoyn apenanti se foithtes poy exoyn alles politikes h ideologikes protimhseis kai qeseis. Htan safes, loipon, ayto to opoio eipe.

KIAOS: Oxi, epekrine thn politikh ths Kybernhsews ths opoias einai melos.

REPPAS: Den epekrine thn politikh ths Kybernhshs.

KIAOS: Malista eipe oti apomakrynetai to PASOK...

REPPAS: Mhn apodidete ston k. Tsoxatzopoylo ayth thn aytokatastrofikh stash. Einai dynaton, opws eipate ki eseis, na epikrinei thn politikh mias Kybernhshs, ths opoias einai melos;

GKOGKAS: Eipe sygkekrimena o Ypoyrgos Amynas oti o eksygxronismos twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn den mporei na jekinhsei apo allages sto ergasiako kaqestws. Ayto akribws eipe. Pragma to opoio den synadei me thn kybernhtikh politikh.

REPPAS: Kyrie Gkogka, eipe o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, poly swsta, oti xreiazetai eksygxronismos twn dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn. Proxwroyme s' ayton ton eksygxronismo. Eipe, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos epishs, poly swsta, oti den mporei o eksygxronismos twn dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn na arxizei kai na teleiwnei ston tomea twn ergasiakwn sxesewn. Gi' ayto akribws, oi prwtoboylies poy exoyme analabei gia thn O.A. -kai oxi mono- perilambanoyn ena plhres sxedio ejygianshs kai anaptyjhs twn epixeirhsewn me tomes sth domh kai th leitoyrgia toys, me diarqrwtikes allages sthn emporikh politikh toys kai bebaiws, me tis eksygxronistikes ekeines tomes poy einai aparaithtes ston tomea twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, prokeimenoy oi epixeirhseis aytes na exoyn ena kaqestws analogo me ayto poy exoyn oi sygxrones dhmosies epixeirhseis se alles xwres ths E.E. Ayto einai poly logiko.

BITALHS: Den problhmatizei thn Kybernhsh to gegonos oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos leei oti, an to PASOK den elegjei aytes tis politikes odhgeitai se periqwrio koinwnikwn sygkroysewn kai ejelijewn;

REPPAS: Asfalws, o kaqenas otan einai ypeyqynos politikos, anhkei se ena komma kai einai malista ychlobaqmo stelexos toy, exei thn agwnia to komma toy na mhn teqei sto periqwrio twn ejelijewn, alla na paramenei sto epikentro ths politikhs zwhs. Ayto, to PASOK to exei katorqwsei, afoy allwste, me thn egkrish toy ellhnikoy laoy, kyberna epi tosa xronia thn patrida mas. To PASOK einai sto kentro ths politikhs zwhs toy topoy mas.

MOYRTZHS: Tosh wra mas ermhneyete tis dhlwseis toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy. Epikoinwnhsate mazi toy;

REPPAS: Me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo den xreiazetai na milhsoyme thlefwnika h na syzhthsoyme, prokeimenoy na ejhghsoyme tis qeseis mas, giati gnwrizoyme poly kala edw kai para polla xronia o enas ton allon kai h symptwsh twn apocewn aytwn, parakalw na qewreitai dedomenh.

FASOYLAS: Sto qema ths Olympiakhs mia erwthsh. Exei zhthqei mhpws h synergasia ths Olympiakhs me th Loyftxansa;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei ws arxh, ws paradoxh oti h O.A. qa prepei na anazhthsei strathgikes symmaxies me alles aeroporikes etairies. Ayto einai kati poy exoyn kanei oles h sxedon oles oi aeroporikes etairies sthn E.E. Mono h Olympiakh den exei epidiwjei tetoioy eidoys synergasies. Kairos einai, loipon, na prosanatolistei s' ayth thn kateyqynsh. Den exei ginei kapoia sygkekrimenh epilogh. H Olympiakh Aeroporia qa prepei na ejetasei ayth th dynatothta poy ths parexetai me bash toys oroys, oi opoioi prosferontai, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei se tetoies synergasies.

FASOYLAS: Ayto qa shmainei, dhladh, efoson yparjei synergasia, anaqesh kai eswterikwn dromologiwn, ektos twn ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema kai mhn epeigeste na syzhthsoyme kata prwqystero tropo, ta qemata twn synergasiwn. Oi synergasies metajy aeroporikwn etairiwn exoyn ena orismeno typo. Yparxei, bebaiws, ekei h dynatothta diapragmateysewn, prokeimenoy oi synergasies aytes na apokthsoyn to idiaitero periexomeno poy armozei se kaqe peristash. Ayto qa ginei kai me thn O.A.

SOYRMELH: Ti protaseis exei h O.A. apo kati tetoioys eidikoys melethtes h synergates. Giati h Loyftxansa qa to anazhthsei. Kai en tw metajy ginontai toses syzhthseis edw, poy den jerw an qa exei pleon kai ikanothtes ws etairia pros ta ejw.

REPPAS: Qetete ena para poly shmantiko qema. Den qa prepei oi syzhthseis poy ginontai gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths O.A., na odhgoyn se apajiwsh ths epixeirhshs. Gi' ayto eipa, allwste, oti prepei to syntomotero dynato na oloklhrwsoyme tis prwtoboylies mas kai na antimetwpisoyme to problhma. Oso synthreitai ayth h ekkremothta, einai se baros ths O.A. Ayth einai mia genikh qesh. Apo ekei kai pera yparxoyn tesseris megaloi kolossoi -qa moy epitrecete na pw- tesseris megales synergasies aeroporikwn etairiwn, apo tis opoies h Olympiakh Aeroporia qa prepei me bash tis protaseis, oi opoies qa ginoyn pros aythn h tis ektimhseis tis opoies qa kanei h dioikhsh ths, na epilejei poia einai h kalyterh synergasia sthn opoia prepei na entaxqei.

ZHKIDHS: Xqes, o k. Kranidiwths se mia dhlwsh toy poy ekane anefere oti to "moratorioym" den arkei gia na mhn oloklhrwqei h egkatastash twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro. Ayto den erxetai se antiqesh me tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Den eteqh pote qema "moratorioym" kai pragmatika den einai dynaton, en onomati opoioydhpote "moratorioym" na syzhthsoyme thn akyrwsh egkatastashs twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro. To programma ayto proxwrei, diatypwqhkan paragwgikes protaseis apo thn Kypriakh kai thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh gia thn antimetwpish toy qematos, to opoio exoyn egeirei jenes Kybernhseis kai alloi paragontes. Dystyxws, den yparxei antapokrish. H politikh, loipon, thn opoia akoloyqei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh mas briskei symfwnoys. Kaqistatai peripoy monodromos, oso h Toyrkia afenos, alla kai o dieqnhs paragwn afeteroy, den antilambanetai toys kindynoys oi opoioi yparxoyn gia thn Kypro apo thn politikh thn opoia akoloyqei h Toyrkia.

KIAOS: Epeidh eipate oti symfwneite se ola me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo. S' ayto poy eipe oti yparxoyn pyrhnes neofileleyqerismoy kai sto PASOK, symfwneite etsi;

REPPAS: To qema einai oti den milhse gia thn kratoysa politikh, h opoia efarmozetai sto PASOK. Kai h kratoysa politikh, h opoia efarmozetai sto PASOK, den exei kamia sxesh me to neofileleyqerismo. O neofileleyqerismos einai mia antidrastikh politikh thn opoia exei apodokimasei o ellhnikos laos. Emeis pisteyoyme oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai politikh anaptyjhs me koinwnikh eyaisqhsia kai s' ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kinhqoyme kai thn epomenh periodo. Giati ayto apaitoyn oi peristaseis. Ayto epiqymei kai o ellhnikos laos poy symparasteketai sthn prospaqeia poy kanoyme.

KAMPANHS: An exete kapoio sxolio gia thn apofash koinothtas ths Korinqias poy apagoreyei stoys Albanoys na katanalwnoyn oinopneymatwdh.

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti ayta ta qemata poy syzhthsame kata koron qa prepei na ta syzhtoyme me ton idio tropo, otan prokeitai na anaferomaste se prwtoboylies diaforwn tetoiwn topikwn paragontwn. Giati, toys dinoyme poly megalh ajia kai nomizw oti, telikws, mia kai briskomaste se proeklogikh periodo, giati fetos exoyme topikes ekloges, mporei na paizoyme kai to paixnidi toys. Na toys anadeiknyoyme, dhladh, se basikoys paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs me thn probolh thn opoia ejasfalizoyn ki etsi h synthrhsh ayths ths syzhthshs na bohqaei ekeinoys kai mono, enw blaptei mia ypoqesh thn opoia pisteyw oti yperaspizomaste oloi. Eimaste enantion toy ratsismoy kai ths jenofobias.

KIAOS: Den to apodokimazete ayto eseis;

REPPAS: Exw apodokimasei -to epanalambanw epeidh leipate kai den parakoloyqhsate aytes tis syzhthseis- me kathgorhmatiko tropo kai leptomerws ola ayta ta qemata ratsismoy kai jenofobias ta opoia ekdhlwqhkan. Eipa, oti tetoioy eidoys apofaseis einai anypostates, einai antisyntagmatikes, einai paranomes. Einai apolyta apodokimastees, giati mas gyrizoyn se ena mikromesaiwna.

Sas eyxaristw.

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