Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-03-23

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23.3.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

* O Prwqypoyrgos exei ayth thn wra synergasia gia qemata poy aforoyn thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, me ton Proedro ths Boylhs, ton A' Antiproedro kai toys Ypoyrgoys Dikaiosynhs kai Politismoy. Argotera, stis 2.30 m.m. qa dextei to Geniko Grammatea toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, ton Arxhgo kai toys Yparxhgoys ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqei kai na dwsei kateyqynseis gia qemata poy aforoyn th dhmosia asfaleia kai tajh.

* Thn Paraskeyh, qa synedriasei to KYSEA. Qa ginei syzhthsh kai enhmerwsh gia thn ejelijh toy ejoplistikoy programmatos. Epishs, einai poly piqano, sto plaisio ayths ths synedriashs, na teqoyn kai alla qemata ths epikairothtas Anaferomai sta qemata ta opoia exoyn sxesh me thn asfaleia kai thn tajh, ta opoia qa syzhthsoyn kai sth shmerinh synergasia toys o Prwqypoyrgos me toys epikefalhs toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs.

Shmeiwnw oti o k. Rwmaios apoysiazei se programmatismeno tajidi, sthn Aystralia. * Ayrio einai Trith, paramonh ths 25hs Martioy...

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Den qa exoyme briefing ayrio, opws kai thn Tetarth.

REPPAS: Kalws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, htan se gnwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy h protash poy ekane o k. Pagkalos gia to moratorioym panw apo thn Kypro, me antallagma na mhn pane oi S-300;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos den ekane kapoia protash. Epanelabe tis gnwstes qeseis gia to sygkekrimeno qema, oi opoies briskontai se armonia me tis qeseis, oi opoies kata kairoys exoyn ekdhlwqei, oson afora thn amyna ths Kyproy, apenanti sthn toyrkikh epiqetikothta. Eipame oti h amyna ths Kyproy prepei na enisxyqei, epeidh yparxei sygkekrimenh phgh kindynwn. Ean pacei na yparxei h phgh twn kindynwn, payei na einai anagkaia kai h egkatastash twn S-300. Ayto pros to paron den fainetai. Exoyme pei pws to qema ayto to xeirizetai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh kai to xeirizetai me pollh eyqynh kai synesh. H Kypriakh Kybernhsh, epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos, topoqeteitai me megalh safhneia kai eqnikh eyaisqhsia. Leei oti mporei na ejetasei thn anastolh ths egkatastashs twn sygkekrimenwn pyraylwn, efoson diapistwnetai mia shmantikh proodos, oson afora thn apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy se orato xroniko plaisio kai efoson yparxei proodos sthn antimetwpish toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy. Efoson syntrexoyn aytoi oi paragontes kai aytes oi proypoqeseis, to qema ths egkatastashs twn pyraylwn S-300 mporei na antimetwpistei katw apo ayto to neo prisma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti epanelabe gnwstes qeseis. To eixan janapei ayto; Prwth fora to akoysa.

REPPAS: Sto plaisio ayto kinoyntai oi qeseis toy k. Pagkaloy kai synedese o k. Pagkalos, opws kanoyme pantote, thn anagkh ths egkatastashs twn pyraylwn me tis phges kindynwn poy dhmioyrgoyntai gia thn Kypro. Eipe oti an den yparxei o kindynos, den exeis kanena logo na enisxyeis thn amyna soy. O kindynos yparxei, loipon, kai h amyna ths Kyproy prepei na enisxyqei. Eipa kai pali poies einai oi qeseis tis opoies h Kypriakh Kybernhsh, me leptomereies, exei gia to sygkekrimeno qema anaptyjei. Emeis symfwnoyme apolyta kai symparastekomaste se ayth thn politikh poy akoloyqei h ypeyqynh Kypriakh Kybernhsh.

BITALHS: Qewreitai apo ellhnikhs pleyras oti mia epibolh moratorioym einai bhma pros thn apostratikopoihsh; Dhladh, syndeetai me kapoio antallagma to qema twn S-300;

REPPAS: Kyrie Bitalh, apanthsa molis prin gia ola ayta ta qemata. Milhsa gia thn anagkh proodoy ths apostratikopoihshs toy nhsioy. Milhsa gia thn anagkh proodoy twn prospaqeiwn gia thn politikh lysh sto kypriako problhma. Kai milhsa gia thn anagkh poy yparxei, oso einai oratos kai dedomenos o kindynos, na enisxyetai h amyna ths Kyproy. An pragmatika pacei na yparxei aytos o kindynos, an den yparxei ayth h epiqetikh stash, tote allazoyn kai ta dedomena. Ayto eipe kai o k. Pagkalos. Den yparxei kanena qema.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: O k. Pagkalos eipe sthn Amerikanida omologo toy oti an den yparjoyn yperpthseis panw apo thn Kypro, mporei na syzhthqei h anabolh ths paralabhs twn S-300;

REPPAS: Den einai dynato na metaferoyme edw to periexomeno ths syzhthshs toy k. Pagkaloy me thn Amerikanida omologo toy. Den to gnwrizw, allwste. Ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme twra, einai na mhn katafygoyme se ypoqeseis. Prepei na parameinoyme sto safh prosdiorismo ths politikhs mas. To exoyme kanei. Epanalambanoyme to politiko plaisio, to opoio exoyme diatypwsei sto parelqon kai elpizoyme na yparxei h dynatothta, apo thn allh pleyra, na kanei neoys xeirismoys, prokeimenoy kai emeis, katw apo ta nea ayta dedomena, na ejetasoyme kai pali th qesh mas. H Kypriakh Kybernhsh -epanalambanw- xeirizetai ayto to qema me apolyth eqnikh eyaisqhsia kai eyqynh kai nomizw oti mexri twra exei apokomisei para polla kerdh, se oloys toys tomeis, me toys xeirismoys poy exei kanei.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Otan h Amerikanida Ypoyrgos eqese to qema, o k. Pagkalos thn parepemce ston k. Klhridh h stis qeseis toy k. Klhridh; Pws akribws egine;

REPPAS: To Kypriako einai ena megisto qema. Einai stis prwtes proteraiothtes ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths xwras mas kai logiko einai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Elladas na syzhta gia to Kypriako otan synantatai me jenoys Ypoyrgoys. Alla, ayto apexei para poly apo to na syzhthsoyme twra, san na metaferoyme ta praktika ths syzhthshs se ayth thn aiqoysa, to pws anaptyxqhke o dialogos metajy twn dyo Ypoyrgwn. Asfalws, h qesh thn opoia epanelabe o k. Pagkalos einai qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai einai ayth ths opoias to plaisio aneptyja molis prin. Sas einai gnwsth edw kai para poly kairo.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Shmera, ston aqhnaiko Typo, anaferetai oti o k. Shmiths sthn prosfath synanthsh toy me ton k. Klhridh, ton parakinhse gia deyteres skeceis -opws to diatypwnei o Typos- se sxesh me thn agora twn S-300. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti yparxei apolyth eyqygrammish, taytish qa elega, ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyn oi dyo Kybernhseis gia to eqniko zhthma, sto synolo toy, kai gia epimeroys qemata, opws to sygkekrimeno poy qetete me thn erwthsh sas. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, h qesh einai ayth poy aneptyja molis prin. Einai h qesh thn opoia, kat' epanalhch, exoyn yposthrijei diaforoi paragontes, toso ths Ellhnikhs oso kai ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ti ennoeite "proodo"; Yparxei kati sygkekrimeno;

REPPAS: Otan miloyme gia proodo stis synomilies gia thn politikh lysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos, antilambaneste pws, metajy twn allwn, ennooyme th syzhthsh twn dyo pleyrwn, ypo to prisma twn apofasewn toy OHE h twn Symfwniwn Koryfhs toy 1977 kai toy 1979 me tetoio tropo poy qa peiqei oti kai h allh pleyra einai diateqeimenh, desmeyomenh ap' ayto to plaisio, na symbalei wste na breqei telika lysh. Ayto mexri twra den fainetai. Poly perissotero poy o k. Ntenktas arneitai na syzhthsei me jenoys ajiwmatoyxoys, oi opoioi epideiknyoyn endiaferon kai epidiwkoyn na symbaloyn sthn antimetwpish kai th lysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Epishs, sto plaisio ths apostratikopoihshs, thn opoia kat' epanalhch emeis exoyme dhlwsei oti epiqymoyme, einai dynaton kai h allh pleyra na deijei analogo endiaferon, na labei meros se diadikasies -jekinhsan, allwste, oson afora to legomeno "stratiwtiko dialogo", me prwtoboylia ths kas Olmprait, edw kai arketoys mhnes, tetoies diadikasies- prokeimenoy na exoyme mia apoxwrhsh stratiwtikwn tmhmatwn apo thn Kypro h oplikwn systhmatwn h tanks h allwn mhxanismwn poy peiqoyn oti yparxei h diaqesh na pame stadiaka, me dedomeno omws to xroniko orizonta, se apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy. Ayta einai poly safh. Alla, den yparxei tetoio endiaferon apo thn allh pleyra, mexri twra. Kai lypoymeqa gi' ayto.

FASOYLAS: Kai to telesigrafo, opws anefere xqes to "BHMA", toy Proedroy Klinton pros ton Proedro Klhridh, poy zhta na mhn egkatastaqoyn oi S-300, pws to sxoliazete;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kanena telesigrafo. Einai h epistolh poy estalh edw kai peripoy ena mhna ston k. Klhridh. Einai h sygxarhthria epistolh toy Proedroy twn HPA pros ton Proedro ths Kyproy gia thn epaneklogh toy. Sto periexomeno ths epistolhs, metajy twn allwn -asfalws den thn exw dei, exw kapoies plhrofories- anaferei kai skeceis kai idees poy exei o idios kai h Kybernhsh toy gia thn antimetwpish toy kypriakoy problhmatos. Den einai kapoio telesigrafo. Epanalambanei tis pagies qeseis ths Kybernhshs twn HPA.

BITSENTZOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, osoi asxoloyntai me ta sygkekrimena qemata, antilambanontai pws h formoyla Pagkaloy gia th mh egkatastash twn S-300 den apotelei "pagia qesh". Epeidh hdh shmeiwnontai antidraseis sthn Kypro, apo pleyras Lyssaridh kai Kyprianoy, gia paradeigma, kai epeidh akoygontas tis dhlwseis toy Ellhna Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sthn Oyasigkton peri S-300, nomize kaneis pws einai h Aqhna poy ypegrace to sxetiko symbolaio, enw htan h Leykwsia, qelw na rwthsw ean h protash toy Ellhna Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn eixe thn egkrish toy Kyprioy Proedroy Klhridh.

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos den xreiazetai na ejasfalisei egkrish opoioydhpote, otan epanalambanei kai prowqei thn politikh poy einai symfwnhmenh gia to eqniko zhthma. Apo ekei kai pera, o k. Pagkalos eipe oti den einai aytos o armodios na milhsei ek meroys twn Kypriwn. Qa milhsoyn oi Kyprioi gi' ayto, eipe poly sygkekrimena. Shmera egw milhsa gia thn prwtoboylia poy exei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh na xeirizetai ayta ta qemata kai eipa oti ta xeirizetai me idiaiterh eyqynh. Oi apanthseis poy dinei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh, tis opoies plhroforhqhka kai egw, kinoyntai sto idio mhkos kymatos. Oles aytes oi dhlwseis kai oi kinhseis poy ginontai, entassontai sto idio plaisio to opoio exoyme kaqorisei gia thn antimetwpish toy kypriakoy qematos.

MIXAHL: Se ena paremferes me to Kypriako qema: Diabasa xqes stis kyriakatikes efhmerides, oti syzhta h ellhnikh pleyra kai h kypriakh pleyra me toys etairoys mas sthn E.E., dyo faseis sth diadikasia entajhs, kata to protypo poy eixe kanei h Germania sth 10etia toy '60. Alhqeyoyn aytes oi plhrofories;

REPPAS: Den exoyn ginei ejeidikeymenes syzhthseis, oyte exei diatypwqei kapoia protash, wste na mporei na pei kapoios pws exoyme mia formoyla gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Ayto to opoio einai dedomeno, einai oti se liges hmeres, sto telos toy mhna, jekina h diapragmateysh gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Emeis epiqymoyme sth diapragmateytikh omada na ekproswpoyntai kai oi Toyrkokyprioi, h de entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. na afora oloklhrh, akeraia thn Kypro. Alla, an ayto den einai katorqwto na ginei twra, den qa prepei na odhghsei se "aixmalwsia" ths eleyqerhs Kyproy kai na ths sterhsei th dynatothta na entaxqei sthn E.E. Me ayth thn ennoia, pisteyoyme oti prepei na proxwrhsoyn, me gorgo ryqmo, oi diadikasies kai oi syzhthseis gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. kai pisteyoyme oti kai oi Toyrkokyprioi qa allajoyn th stash toys kai qa dextoyn kai aytoi na drecoyn ta ofelh, ta opoia prokyptoyn, apo mia tetoia diadikasia.

KARASABBA: Hqela na rwthsw an h Ellada, sxetika me toys S-300, exei allajei th qesh ths, dhladh, an exei aposyrqei h promhqeia twn S-300 apo thn Ellada.

REPPAS: Apanthsa, molis prin, me leptomereies gia ola ayta ta qemata. H qesh mas paramenei h idia, efoson den exoyn allajei ta dedomena. An allajoyn ta dedomena, katw apo ayto to neo prisma, qa doyme ki emeis kai qa epanejetasoyme th qesh mas.

KARASABBA: H Ellada qa apokthsei S-300;

REPPAS: Ma, eipa gi' ayto to qema toys xeirismoys kanei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: An h Ellada qa agorasei S-300 gia thn amyna mas.

REPPAS: Ma, sas eipa. Katalaba poly kala ti lete. Lew oti gi' ayto to qema toys xeirismoys kanei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh. Emeis symparastekomaste sthn politikh ths gia toys S-300. Den exoyme ejetasei opoiodhpote allo endexomeno. Den antimetwpizoyme qema eite emeis na promhqeytoyme apeyqeias toys S-300, eite na metegkatastaqoyn sthn Ellada oi S-300. Einai kati poy den mas apasxolei twra.

KARASABBA: Syzhthqhke ayto to sygkekrimeno qema;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema, giati mia tetoia syzhthsh shmainei oti exei allajei h qesh epi toy kentrikoy zhthmatos ths egkatastashs twn S-300 sthn Kypro. Kai tetoio qema den exei prokycei. Ayto sas lew.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, efoson eipate oti o k. Pagkalos epanelabe tis gnwstes ellhnikes qeseis, eixe synennohqei me to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas; Tis gnwrize, dhladh, to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas aytes tis protaseis poy ekane o k. Pagkalos; Giati yparxei mia dysforia sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai dhlwnoyn oti ekeinoi exoyn agnoia.

REPPAS: Epanalambanw, o k. Pagkalos epanelabe tis gnwstes qeseis. Ki egw otan omilw -shmera to prwi, milhsa se synadelfoys sas dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai se jenes efhmerides gi' ayto to qema- opws ki alloi synadelfoi, otan epanalambanoyme gnwstes qeseis, den xreiazetai na kanoyme prin kapoia eidikh diadikasia, prokeimenoy na exoyme ayth th dynatothta. Epanalambanw oti den exei allajei tipota sthn politikh mas kai den antilambanomai ayto to opoio eseis ermhneyete ws dysforia. De nomizw na yparxei kamia dysforia, doqentos oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme apodidei karpoys kai sthn prajh kaqws pernaei o kairos, apodeiknyetai oti einai h swsth politikh gia to megalo ayto qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas lene oti den tis jerane aytes tis "gnwstes" qeseis.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poios sas to eipe ek meroys toy Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Qa moy epitrecete na exw mia allh gnwmh, giati ki egw epikoinwnw me to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

FASOYLAS: H apofash toy Loyjemboyrgoy prosebale toys Toyrkoys kai dyskolece tis prospaqeies toy k. Xolmproyk kai allwn diplwmatwn, opws dhlwse o idios proxqes sto Berolino. Proeblece akoma klimakwsh ths entashs sto Aigaio. Qa hqela na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis kai ena deytero, ti ginetai me ayth thn peribohth amerikanikh prwtoboylia; An gnwrizete kati.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizoyme kati perissotero apo ayto to opoio mexri twra exei ginei gnwsto. Den exei prokycei, dhladh, kapoio kainoyrgio stoixeio. Briskomaste se anamonh gia to pote kai pws qa ekdhlwqei ayth h prwtoboylia. To bebaio einai oti gia tis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis h Synodos Koryfhs toy Loyjemboyrgoy exei orisei ena safestato plaisio, to opoio qa elega oti einai para poly elkystiko, prokeimenoy na kinhtopoihsei kai tis dynameis ths Toyrkias na analaboyn sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, wste h xwra toys na apokthsei pio stenes sxeseis me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Dystyxws, h Toyrkia oxi mono den ajiopoihse ayto to plaisio, alla qa elega oti qewrhse ayth thn apofash ws arnhtikh ejelijh gia tis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis. Emeis pisteyoyme, opws kai to synolo twn xwrwn ths E.E., oti to plaisio ayto einai idiaiterws ikanopoihtiko, einai elkystiko kai qa prepei h Toyrkia na to ajiopoihsei.

FASOYLAS: Sxetika me thn problech poy kanei o k. Xolmproyk gia klimakwsh ths entashs sto Aigaio, ti akribws shmainei ayto;

REPPAS: Emeis zoyme edw kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala poies einai oi synqhkes poy epikratoyn sthn perioxh. Yparxoyn esties anataraxhs, opws prosfata sto Kossyfopedio. Yparxei epiqetikh kai proklhtikh symperifora ths Toyrkias, h opoia mas odhgei ki emas sthn anagkh na eimaste se egrhgorsh kai epagrypnish. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, den qewrw oti yparxei mia tetoia entash h opoia klimakoymenh mporei na dhmioyrghsei meizon problhma sthn perioxh. Yparxei ayth h estia tribhs h opoia prokaleitai apo th symperifora ths Toyrkias, h opoia parabiazei toys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai den sebetai tis Dieqneis Synqhkes poy exei synomologhsei. Ayto einai to mono problhma poy yparxei.

SOYRMELH: Mia poy eipate Kossobo, epeidh yparxei mia synanthsh, sta plaisia toy ELIAMEP, an den kanw laqos, ektos apo ta proswpa ta opoia anaferontai, mhpws yparxei kamia ekplhjh, mhpws prokeitai na erqoyn kai alloi pio shmantikoi paragontes;

REPPAS: Milame gia kapoio synedrio to opoio ginetai, opoy syzhtoyntai qemata sxetika me tis ejelijeis sthn perioxh. Oi organwtes exoyn thn eyqynh na katartisoyn ton katalogo twn symmetexontwn. Emeis den gnwrizoyme kati parapanw. Den exoyme kati allo ypoch mas.

SOYRMELH: An htan kati pio shmantiko, omws qa to jerate. Dhladh, ennow pio shmantikoi paragontes ...

REPPAS: An eprokeito na exoyme se kybernhtiko h se epishmo, se qesmiko -as to pw etsi gia na eimai poly safhs kai sygkekrimenos- epipedo, symmetoxes kai diadikasies epikoinwnias me thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, asfalws qa to gnwrizame. Alla kati tetoio den einai gnwsto ayth thn wra.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Mia periergh filotoyrkikh kai antikypriakh qesh ths Gallias, oson afora thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Sthn prosfath synanthsh malista me ton Ntemirel sth Gallia, eteqhsan kai oroi toys opoioys bazei h gallikh kybernhsh, oson afora thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Fobaste, oxi gia to qema ths enarjhs twn entajiakwn synomiliwn, alla sth synexeia oti h Gallia piqanws na balei "zizania", wste na mhn proxwrhsoyn oi entajiakes synomilies;

REPPAS: H qesh ths Gallias ekfrasthke sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Loyjemboyrgoy kai gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h apofash thn opoia elabe h Synodos twn hgetwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Twra exei allajei.

REPPAS: Paramenei to plaisio ayto to opoio orizei to pote kai to pws h E.E. qa syzhthsei kai qa diapragmateyqei me tis endiaferomenes xwres gia thn entajh toys sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Einai to plaisio poy oristhke sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Loyjemboyrgoy ton perasmeno Dekembrio. Ayto den exei allajei oyte kata keraia. Loipon, twra, yparxei ayth h diadikasia ths enarjhs twn syzhthsewn sto telos Martioy. Gnwstes einai oi qeseis tis opoies exoyn diatypwsei oi Galloi ajiwmatoyxoi. Emeis, kat' epanalhch, exoyme pei pws den einai dynaton h Kypros h opoia ikanopoiei oloys toys deiktes, oles tis koinwnikooikonomikes proypoqeseis gia na entaxqei sthn E.E., na parameinei aixmalwth ths stashs ths Toyrkias, h opoia gia dikoys ths politikoys logoys den epiqymei na proodeysei h Kypros kai na entaxqei sthn E.E. Bebaiws, exoyme pei kai se alles eykairies, oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, epeidh qewrei oti ayto to qema einai meizon, qa xrhsimopoihsei ola ta opla poy exei sth diaqesh ths, prokeimenoy na apotrecei tis pieseis poy askoyntai h mporei na askhqoyn sto mellon kai na parempodistei h proodos twn diapragmateysewn ths Kyproy gia thn entajh ths sthn E.E. Ara, loipon, einai ena qema to opoio, kata th gnwmh mas, exei kleisei ws pros to meros ekeino poy afora thn apofash ths E.E. Oson afora twra to ryqmo, thn taxythta me thn opoia qa proxwrhsei ayth h diadikasia, eimaste ki emeis parontes ws melos ths E.E. kai qa exoyme th dynatothta, an parastei anagkh, na askhsoyme ton parembatiko rolo mas, prokeimenoy na mhn epitrecoyme na empodistei ayth h diadikasia.

KARASABBA: Meta th synanthsh toy k. Pagkaloy me thn ka Olmprait gia to qema toy Kossoboy, hqela na rwthsw an anamenetai kapoia kainoyrgia ellhnikh prwtoboylia, sxetika me to qema toy Kossoboy kai deyteron an yparxei kapoia anhsyxia gia tis ejelijeis sth Rwsia.

REPPAS: H Omada Epafhs prokeitai na synedriasei aytes tis hmeres. Emeis exoyme dhlwsei, oson afora to Kossyfopedio, oti ws xwra ths perioxhs, eimaste diateqeimenoi na symbaloyme, me kaqe qetiko tropo, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h krish poy exei jespasei. Den prokeitai na analaboyme monoi mas kapoia allh prwtoboylia. Oi protaseis poy exoyn diatypwqei, nomizw oti einai plhreis kai an ajiopoihqei ayto to plaisio idewn kai protasewn, mporei na lyqei kai to problhma, mesa apo dialogo kai synennohsh, xwris na pame se stratiwtikes anametrhseis. Oson afora tis ejelijeis sth Rwsia, prepei na sas pw oti peran twn allagwn oi opoies gnwstopoihqhkan, den gnwrizoyme alles leptomereies. Pisteyoyme na ejasfalistei h politikh staqerothta kai h synexeia s' ayth th megalh xwra me thn opoia exoyme kales sxeseis se ola ta epipeda.

MOSXOBAS: Hqela na rwthsw, an synista kybernhtikh qesh h apoch poy ejefrase xqes se synenteyjh toy o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Papadopoylos, peri idiwtikopoihshs olwn twn Forewn kai Organismwn toy Dhmosioy. To rwtaw ayto giati yparxoyn plhrofories oti h Kybernhsh meleta idiwtikopoihseis eyreos fasmatos.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei anakoinwsei sygkekrimeno programma metoxopoihsewn kai idiwtikopoihsewn poy afora Organismoys toy Dhmosioy. O k. Papadopoylos epanelabe qeseis para poly gnwstes kai epikaires. Einai qeseis oi opoies ws politikh efarmogh exoyn brei antikrysma kai se alles xwres tis E.E. O k. Papadopoylos den kanei tipota allo para na epishmainei thn anagkh, poy yparxei se ena sklhrotata antagwnistiko periballon sto opoio brisketai h ellhnikh oikonomia, na proxwrhsoyme ki emeis se eksygxronismo twn epixeirhsewn kai sthn analhch olwn ekeinwn twn prwtoboyliwn poy einai anagkaies, wste oi epixeirhseis aytes na parameinoyn isxyres. Ayth einai h kentrikh skech thn opoia ejefrase me leptomereiako kai safh tropo o k. Papadopoylos.

MOSXOBAS: Isxyei ayto, h plhroforia oti h Kybernhsh meleta tis idiwtikopoihseis olwn twn ...

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto sas eipa poio einai to programma mas, to opoio allwste einai gnwsto. To exoyme ejaggeilei.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na moy kanete ena sxolio gia ta osa anaferei se shmerinh synenteyjh toy sta "NEA" o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. Oysiastika leei oti "kala ta metra, alla prepei na yparxei kai anaptyjh. Anaptyjh den blepw".

REPPAS: Symfwnoyme me ayta poy leei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kai to parajeno qa htan na mh symfwnoysame. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos den eipe "anaptyjh den blepoyme". Ayth einai mia frash thn opoia xrhsimopoieite eseis.

MIXAHL: Entajei.

REPPAS: Allwste, prepei na sas pw oti einai para poly shmantiko, sto plaisio mias oikonomikhs politikhs, h anaptyjiakh diastash na exei to diko ths jexwristo rolo. Kai ton exei, otan miloyme gia thn oikonomikh politikh poy efarmosthke sthn Ellada ta teleytaia xronia. Jexnate oti to 1993 o ryqmos anaptyjhs htan arnhtikos. Ekineito sto -1%. Enw twra, liga xronia meta, sto telos toy 1997 exoyme ryqmo anaptyjhs 3,5% poy einai, qa elega, diplasios apo to ryqmo anaptyjhs poy exoyn kata meso oro oi alles xwres ths E.E. Kai an synexisoyme thn prospaqeia mas me ayto to ryqmo, mexri to 2000, qa exoyme ryqmo anaptyjhs poy qa eggizei to 5%. Pragma prwtofanes edw kai para polla xronia gia thn Ellada. Gnwrizete para poly kala oti epi para polla xronia oi ryqmoi anaptyjhs htan peripoy sto 1,5%. Pragmatika prepei na poyme oti yparxei mia anaptyjiakh diastash sthn politikh poy askeitai kai h opoia einai xeiropiasth.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Me bash xqesina dhmosieymata me ayth thn aplh kinhsh ths Kybernhshs, thn ypotimhsh dhladh ths draxmhs, mia mikrh omada kataqetwn, megalokataqetwn synallagmatos, mesa se 24 wres kerdisan to astronomiko poso toy 1,4 trisekatommyriwn draxmwn. Ep' aytoy h Kybernhsh exei kapoio sxolio, kapoia parathrhsh; Kai anaferomai sthn parathrhsh epi twn synepeiwn kai twn apotelesmatwn ayths ths politikhs thn opoia yperaspizeste.

REPPAS: Otan exeis stoxo na entajeis th xwra soy sthn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh kai gnwrizeis oti se ena progenestero stadio prepei to nomisma soy na entaxqei s' ayto to Mhxanismo twn Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn, antilambaneste pws ta ofelh ta opoia qa prokycoyn, ayta ta opoia anameneis, einai para polla kai prosdokoyme s' ayta ta ofelh, xwris na agnooyme oti yparxoyn kai parenergeies. Yparxoyn polites h yparxoyn omades politwn h epixeirhmaties oi opoioi proskaira mporei na qigontai apo ena tetoio metro. H isotimia toy nomismatos exei allajei. Logiko einai kapoioi na kerdizoyn kai kapoioi na xanoyn. Nomizw, omws, oti se poly mikro xroniko diasthma qa aporrofhqoyn aytoi oi kradasmoi, aytes oi parenergeies, ta arnhtika ta opoia prokyptoyn, prokeimenoy na enisxyqei h antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai telikws na meinoyme mono me ta qetika ta opoia symperilambanontai se mia desmh metrwn poy aforoyn thn prosarmogh toy nomismatos mas. Nomizw, loipon, oti den qa prepei na menoyme s' aytes tis epimeroys epishmanseis. Qa prepei na doyme sto synolo ths thn politikh thn opoia akoloyqhsame, oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema. Kai blepontas synolika thn politikh, qa symfwnhsoyme, nomizw, oti htan h endedeigmenh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sygkrathsa thn apanthsh poy dwsate gia ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai anetreja sth synenteyjh. Exw edw mprosta moy thn efhmerida. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, edw, kanei logo gia nea politikh anaptyjh. Nea politikh anaptyjh. Kai fantazomai kai ej aytoy toy logoy h efhmerida exei balei titlo "Na allajei h oikonomikh politikh". Kai aporw pws yparxei symfwnia metajy ths akoloyqoymenhs shmera politikhs kai ths allhs, ths neas poy qelei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos na akoloyqhsei.

REPPAS: Ma, mia politikh anaptyjhs antilambaneste pws exei ena xarakthra diaxroniko. Idiaitera me tis kybernhseis toy PASOK, o tomeas anaptyjhs exei to idiaitero endiaferon mas. H proodos twn megalwn ergwn, oi ependyseis poy qa ginoyn -mia kai milhsa gia thn antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias molis prin- me th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn apasxolhshs, antilambaneste pws qa dwsoyn nea wqhsh s' ayth thn anaptyjiakh prospaqeia poy kanoyme, ta teleytaia xronia, sto plaisio ths askoymenhs oikonomikhs politikhs. Ayto nomizw oti einai safes. Einai poly logiko kai brisketai se apolyth armonia me ayta ta opoia leei kai o k. Tsoxatzopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: S' ayth th syskech poy qa ginei twra, qa ejaggelqoyn kai kapoia nea metra gia thn Astynomia, gia thn astynomeysh;

REPPAS: Den qa anakoinwqoyn shmera nea metra. Eipa oti einai piqanotato, sto plaisio ths synedriashs toy KYSEA, pera apo ta qemata toy KYSEA, na syzhthqoyn sth synexeia qemata poy aforoyn thn asfaleia kai thn tajh, afoy qa exei hdh epistrecei kai o armodios Ypoyrgos. H politikh poy akoloyqoyme ston tomea ayto, sxetizetai kyriws -ki ayto einai to neo metro- me thn pyknwsh twn pezh kai epoxoymenwn peripoliwn, sthn Aqhna kai sta astika kentra. Ta apotelesmata qa elega oti einai qeamatika. Ayto shmainei oti h epilogh ayth einai apolyta orqh. Kai bebaiws, exei katateqei to nomosxedio gia th dhmioyrgia eidikoy swmatos fylajhs twn plhqysmwn sta synora ths xwras. Einai dyo draseis oi opoies syndyazomenes -mporoyme na poyme kai bebaiws eyelpistoyme kai pisteyoyme oti qa epityxoyme- ejasfalizoyn synqhkes hremias kai tajhs gia toys plhqysmoys stis parameqories perioxes, alla kai gia toys katoikoys twn megalwn polewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite legontas "qeamatika apotelesmata" kyrie Ypoyrge; Dhladh, me tis teleytaies dolofonies, exoyme qeamatika apotelesmata;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste pws exoyme ayta ta epeisodia, epeidh akribws, entopizontai ayta ta antikoinwnika kai egklhmatika stoixeia. An pragmatika qewrei kaneis oti den prepei h Astynomia, sto plaisio twn ereynwn kai twn elegxwn ths, na asxoleitai me aytoys oi opoioi exoyn diafygei kai den exoyn syllhfqei, tote exoyme allh proseggish.

STAMATOPOYLOS: M' aytoys asxoleitai synexeia.

REPPAS: M' aytoys asxoleitai. Kai gnwrizete -ayto apodeiknyetai, allwste- oti polloi, alla dystyxws ayth einai h alhqeia, enw qa eprepe na einai stis fylakes, kykloforoyn eleyqeroi. Me tis peripolies aytes, loipon, syllambanontai olo kai perissoteroi, wste na mporoyme na poyme pws telika apodidetai dikaiosynh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aporw pws den yparxei ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs sth shmerinh syskech, giati exei symmetoxh kai to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs sthn antimetwpish toy problhmatos.

REPPAS: Ekeino einai allo qema.

DHMAKAS: Se synexeia twn oswn eipate se prohgoymenh apanthsh, metadidetai shmera, kata koron apo to prwi, oti orismenoi symboyloi toy Prwqypoyrgoy, synergates toy sto Megaro Majimoy, "shkwsan ton kosmo" enoxlhmenoi apo th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy. Prwton, alhqeyei ayto kai deyteron, ean alhqeyei pws brisketai se armonia me osa...

REPPAS: Prwth fora to akoyw ayto. Giati na einai enoxlhmenos kapoios apo th synenteyjh toy k Tsoxatzopoyloy; Isa-isa xara einai na bgainoyn ta stelexh ths Kybernhshs kai na analyoyn thn politikh ths.

DHMAKAS: Metadidetai oti yparxei dysforia.

REPPAS: Kanena tetoio qema. Me ekplhjh akoyw ayth thn plhroforia.

MOSXOBAS: Eipate oti einai se armonia. Blepw omws oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos ekfrazei thn epifylajh ws pros to xrono ekdhlwshs ayths ths kinhshs, ths entajhs ths draxmhs sto mhxanismo Eyrwpaikwn Isotimiwn. Ayto brisketai se armonia me thn kybernhtikh politikh;

REPPAS: To qema ayto to syzhthsame sthn prosfath synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ekei oloi oi Ypoyrgoi ejeqesan tis apoceis toys. Kai yphrje omofwnh h qesh kai h stash twn Ypoyrgwn, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme s' ayth thn apofash. Prepei na pw apo ekei kai pera, oti asfalws mia tetoia apofash dhmioyrgei erwthmatika se polites, oi opoioi den exoyn idiaiterh enhmerwsh h den einai ejoikeiwmenoi me ayta ta qemata. Ej antikeimenoy, loipon, opws leei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, logiko einai na prokyptoyn erwthmatika, gia to oti egine twra ayth h epilogh kai den egine ligoys mhnes prin, gia to oti den kaname diolisqhsh prin kai pame se mia prosarmogh ths isotimias toy nomismatos mas, se sxesh me ta alla eyrwpaika nomismata. Gia ola, omws, ayta ta qemata exoyn doqei apanthseis. Eipame oti akoloyqhsame ayth thn politikh ths sklhrhs draxmhs, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme to anoigma sta elleimmata kai ton plhqwrismo, wste na epityxoyme toys epiqymhtoys deiktes, basei twn opoiwn qa eixame to dikaiwma na zhthsoyme thn entajh mas sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn. Opws, loipon, htan swsth h politikh ths sklhrhs draxmhs tote kai den eprepe na pame se diolisqhsh, etsi kai twra einai swsth h politikh thn opoia akoloyqoyme, poy entaxqhkame sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn.

MOSXOBAS: Ta erwthmatika ayta ta qetei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio...

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti yparxoyn problhmatismoi se anqrwpoys poy den einai poly ejoikeiwmenoi. Me ayth thn ennoia para polloi problhmatizontai. Exoyn prokycei tetoia erwthmata. Opws kai gia th synach toy daneioy, opws gia to oti den egine diolisqhsh, opws kai gia to oti den zhthsame thn entajh sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn ligoys mhnes prin, otan eixame plhsiasei aytoys toys deiktes sta makrooikonomika megeqh, opws einai to elleimma kai o plhqwrismos.

MOSXOBAS: Den diakrinete, dhladh, epifylajeis;

REPPAS: Asfalws kai den yparxoyn epifylajeis, giati gnwrizw poia htan h qesh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy sto armodio Kybernhtiko Organo. Den yparxei kamia epifylajh oyte apo ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo pros thn politikh ayth epilogh ths Kybernhshs, oyte apo opoiondhpote allon pros thn epilogh ayth kai pros ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo. Apantw etsi gia deyterh fora s' ayto poy eqese o k. Dhmakas. Den yparxoyn tetoia qemata.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epeidh o Lepen efqase sthn Korsikh to 50% kai epeidh kapoioi daimonioi reporter, to Sabbato to brady, janaeidan Albanoys h allodapoys en pash periptwsei, sth Qhsews, ws armodios Ypoyrgos epi toy Typoy, skefteste na kanete kapoia energeia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, na syzhthsete kapoia pragmata; En pash periptwsei, ena prwto bhma qa htan pros thn hgesia ths ELAS na parexei plhrofories syntomotera dioti me thn idia logikh kai eseis kai egw ayrio, mporei etsi opws eimaste sth Qhsews, na mas perasoyn gia allodapoys kapoioi eyfantastoi;.

REPPAS: Xairomai poy qetete ayto to qema. H Ellada einai mia anoixth koinwnia h opoia deixnei megalh anoxh se polites apo alles xwres. Den prepei edw na epikrathsoyn stoixeia ratsismoy kai jenofobias, giati qa odhghqoyme se ena neo mikromesaiwna. Kai ayto einai aparadekto. Ayto to opoio apo thn allh epiqymoyme na kanoyme einai na apokatasthsoyme omales kai fysiologikes leitoyrgies sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, oi opoies -prepei na pw- exoyn diataraxqei logw ths paroysias sthn Ellada, ta teleytaia xronia, pollwn jenwn metanastwn. Gi' ayto akribws proxwroyme sthn paroxh ths prasinhs kartas, mexri teloys Maioy, giati qeloyme na katagracoyme ayto to anqrwpino dynamiko poy diabiei sthn Ellada, wste amesws meta na exoyme kai mia pio apofasistikh kai apotelesmatikh antimetwpish olwn ekeinwn poy den exoyn entaxqei s' ayto to systhma katagrafhs. Den nomizw oti einai dynato na kaqodhghsoyme h na epibaloyme periorismoys ston tropo me ton opoio skeftetai, grafei h omilei kapoios, otan asxoleitai me ayta ta qemata. Zhtw, omws kai egw dhmosia, me aformh th dikh sas erwthsh, na eimaste oloi ypeyqynoi kai poly prosextikoi, giati pragmatika polles fores mia spiqa arkei gia na odhghsei se pyrkagia. Kai ayto den prepei na to epitrecoyme.

ELENOPOYLOS: Akoysa kai ton k. Papadogiannakh kai ap' o,ti katalaba kai apo th synenteyjh toy k. Rwmaioy, zhtaei mia paratash xronoy, en pash periptwsei, mexri na oloklhrwqei to qema ths kartas. Giati ayto to qema einai panakeia; Apo ta stoixeia poy edwse to idio to Ypoyrgeio fainetai oti metajy toy enos ekatommyrioy twn allodapwn poy briskontai sthn Ellada apo ta 120 xiliades egklhmata, peripoy mono to 5% anhkei se allodapoys. Den katalabainw giati h oloklhrwsh ths diadikasias ths kartas einai panakeia gia na antimetwpistoyn ayta ta qemata.

REPPAS: Den syndyasa to ena me to allo etsi wste na qewreite pws ean antimetwpisoyme to ena qa exoyme lysei kai to allo problhma. Apla sas eipa poia einai h politikh poy akoloyqoyme s' ayto ton tomea. Apo ekei kai pera einai qema proswpikhs eyqynhs -ean qelete na fqasoyme mexri ayto to shmeio- to pws antimetwpizoyme toys polites poy proerxontai apo jenes xwres kai mesa apo poly dyskoles synqhkes prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn mia nea zwh sthn patrida mas. Prepei na pw oti h ellhnikh koinwnia deixnei megalh anoxh, alla qa prepei oloi na sebontai toys nomoys kai na diabioyn edw, na drasthriopoioyntai me tropo tetoio, o opoio qa einai synnomos kai den qa dhmioyrgei problhmata. Dioti, bebaiws, otan dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata antilambaneste pws h politeia den einai anisxyrh, antidra kai antimetwpizei aytoys oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn ta problhmata.

KARAGIANNH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na epanelqw sth synenteyjh toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos erwtatai sth synenteyjh toy sta "NEA" gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy sth synanthsh toy me thn ka Olmprait. Anagkazomai na sas diabasw lejh pros lejh osa einai se eisagwgika. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, loipon, apantaei: "To problhma stis sxeseis Elladas-Toyrkias den einai texniko qema. To zhtoymeno, an qeloyme na lysoyme to problhma einai h eisbolh kai katoxh ths Kyproy". Kai pio katw, apantwntas se pio sygkekrimenh erwthsh gia to qema ths mh egkatastashs twn S-300 sthn Kypro: "Gia mena to problhma mas den einai o afoplismos toy nhsioy apo ena oplo poy den exei akoma egkatastaqei. Proteraiothta exei na poyme an diasfalizetai h prostasia toy nhsioy apo epiqetikh drasthriothta. Kai opws jerete, ayto einai adianohto otan stis aktes ths Toyrkias yparxei mia seira stratiwtikwn aerodromiwn, me aeroplana poy se elaxista lepta mporoyn na breqoyn panw apo thn Kypro". Lypamai an sas koyrasa, ayth einai omws h apanthsh toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas se oti afora tis qeseis toy k. Pagkaloy. To erwthma moy einai pws tis sxoliazete; Kai epeidh exete pei oti apoteloyn gnwstes kai pagies qeseis ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai epeidh oloklhros o Typos shmera antimetwpizei tis protaseis toy k. Pagkaloy ws nea formoyla, parakalw peite mas pote ekfrasthkan, se poio kybernhtiko organo kai pote dhmosia ekfrasthke h qesh toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Epanerxomai stis apanthseis poy edwsa mexri twra gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Apla kai mono otan miloyme gia thn apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy, miloyme gia thn apostratikopoihsh oloklhrhs ths Kyproy. Den miloyme gia apostratikopoihsh kai mias orismenhs perioxhs poy anhkei sthn toyrkikh epikrateia. Ara, to endexomeno pantote na yparxoyn oplika systhmata sthn Toyrkia ta opoia exoyn ws stoxo thn Kypro, einai kati to opoio mporei kaneis na to problecei. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na doqoyn oi eggyhseis, na ejasfalistoyn oi proypoqeseis, wste h Kypros na mh dexetai ayth thn epiqetikh stash thn opoia mexri twra ekdhlwnei h Toyrkia. H Kypros na mhn exei oplika systhmata. H Kypros na mhn exei yperpthseis panw apo to edafos ths. Kai bebaiws na yparxoyn oles ekeines oi eggyhseis oti ayto den qa symbei se ena epomeno stadio, eggyhseis oi opoies mexri twra den dinontai, apo tis HPA fer' eipein. Ara, otan miloyme gia apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy, miloyme gia apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy. Mh moy lete oti, epeidh akribws yparxei h dynatothta paroysias oplwn sta toyrkika paralia, ayto allazei ta dedomena. Ayto prokyptei apo th gewgrafia. Kai gi' ayto akribws ki emeis exoyme kanei tis dikes mas probleceis, toys dikoys mas programmatismoys, prokeimenoy na yparxei mia isorropia dynamewn. Kai nomizw oti to exoyme petyxei.

KARAGIANNH: H apanthsh ayth einai h apanthsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy stis protaseis toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn...

REPPAS: Kai sas lew oti den einai se antikroysh to ena me to allo.

DHMAKAS: Qewreite, dhladh, oti o kindynos apo ena aeroskafos einai an pesei akribws h bomba apo panw giati me th shmerinh texnologia mporei na th rijei kai apo 200 xiliometra. Dhladh, prepei na einai akribws apo panw gia na apeileitai h Leykwsia;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio zhtoyme k. Dhmaka einai na proxwrhsei h apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy. Oi prospaqeies poy kanoyme einai gia thn apostratikopoihsh. Den syzhtoyme gia th dhmioyrgia zwnwn poy yparxei afoplismos sthn eyryterh perioxh. Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Ektos ean eisagete ena neo qema pros syzhthsh. Ayto to opoio exoyme pei kai epanalambanw einai na proxwrhsei h apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy kai an pragmatika exoyme proodo sthn kateyqynsh ths apostratikopoihshs, dhmioyrgoyntai nea dedomena kai ypo to prisma twn newn dedomenwn mporoyme na syzhthsoyme. Ayto leei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh kai ayto mas fainetai kai emas para poly logiko.

BITSENTZOY: O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn den milaei gia apostratikopoihsh. Den eipe kan oti to moratorioym pthsewn ypo amerikanikh eggyhsh, opws to zhta...

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos eipe "na fygoyn ta tanks, na fygoyn ta opla, na fygei o stratos...". Na ginei apostratikopoihsh.

BITSENTZOY: Ayto qa bohqhsei sto na pesei h entash sto nhsi. Den eipe o anqrwpos oti einai to prwto bhma ths apostratikopoihshs. Den to enetaje kan mesa sto plaisio ths apostratikopoihshs. To enetaje se ena MOE.

REPPAS: Asfalws, giati ayth thn wra den exei symfwnhqei programma apostratikopoihshs kai opws eipa, apantwntas stis prohgoymenes erwthseis, h allh pleyra kaqe allo para diateqeimenh einai na symbalei s' ayto. Me th mexri twra symperifora ths toylaxiston, ayto exei deijei. O k. Pagkalos eipe gia ta tanks, eipe gia ta opla, eipe gia toys stratoys. Gia ta stoixeia ekeina ta opoia, an ginoyn programmatismenes kinhseis, mporei na odhghsoyn se apostratikopoihsh. Alla einai kati, to opoio, epanalambanw, den yparxei ayth thn wra.

SOYRMELIDHS: Meta apo olh ayth th syzhthsh, na rwthsw, telika h Kybernhsh gnwrizei, giati eipate kapoia stigmh oti den gnwrizoyme, pera apo to "den gnwrizw akribws" k.t.l.. Den jerw an exei ginei enhmerwsh toy k. Pagkaloy mexri ayth thn wra. Telika yparxei protash kai formoyla Pagkaloy; Nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Asfalws den allazei tipota. Milhse gia formoyla h ka Bitsentzoy. Sas eipa den yparxei kamia formoyla, den yparxei kati kainoyrgio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Opws doqhke ston Typo h dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy kai gi' ayto kai sthn Kypro yphrje diastash apocewn, afhnei na ennohqei oti o k. Pagkalos eipe oti "eyxaristws na fygoyn oi S-300, egw qelw na mhn petane toyrkika aeroplana".

REPPAS: Ayto einai qema to opoio h Kypriakh Kybernhsh poy to xeirizetai to exei topoqethsei stis swstes diastaseis. O k. Pagkalos kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh einai se apolyth eyqygrammish me ayth thn politikh. Kai exoyn doqei apanthseis me leptomereies sta qemata ayta.

Sas eyxaristw.

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