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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 24.2.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Prin jekinhsoyme ton kaqierwmeno dialogo mas, prepei na sas pw oti se ligh wra o presbhs mas sthn Agkyra k. Nezeriths qa paradwsei sto toyrkiko Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn thn epistolh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, se apanthsh ths rhmatikhs diakoinwshs poy dia ths idias odoy eixe diabibasei se emas h Toyrkikh Kybernhsh.

Epishs, shmera, o Yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Kranidiwths qa kalesei toys presbeis twn xwrwn - melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai ton presbh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsei me leptomereies gia tis qeseis tis opoies anaptyssoyme s' ayth thn epistolh kai na syzhthsei mazi toys gia thn ejwterikh mas politikh, oson afora tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis.

To periexomeno ths epistolhs perilambanei tis pagies ellhnikes qeseis, oi opoies polles fores, opws prosfata ekane kai o k. Pagkalos, exoyn diatypwqei. H diaqesh mas gia proseggish me thn Toyrkia, pisteyw oti apodeiknyetai apo to synolo twn protasewn tis opoies exoyme diatypwsei. Elpizoyme h proseggish poy proteinoyme na brei antapokrish kai apo thn Toyrkia me skopo thn ejomalynsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn.

Gnwrizete oti o Ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, sth xqesinh synedriash toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn, aneptyje tis ellhnikes qeseis. Epanelabe to endiaferon mas na proxwrhsoyme se beltiwsh toy klimatos twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, enw parallhla epishmane oti ayto den einai dynato na ginei logw ths stashs poy threi h Toyrkia, mias stashs h opoia exei tis epiptwseis ths kai se alla qemata, opws einai h diathrhsh toy ellhnikoy veto gia to xrhmatodotiko kanonismo. H Toyrkia me th symperifora ths -parabiaseis, dhlwseis ajiwmatoyxwn ths k.t.l.- deixnei oti den brisketai entos toy klimatos to opoio prepei na yparxei gia thn anaptyjh filias kai synergasias metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

O k. Kranidiwths anaxwrei shmera gia thn Kypro, opoy qa exei epafes me thn kypriakh hgesia kai qa antallajei apoceis meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis me tis ekloges kai en ocei ths Eyrwpaikhs Diaskechs kai ths enarjhs twn diapragmateysewn gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

Ayta se poly genikes grammes apo emena. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate gia thn proseggish thn opoia proteinoyme. Poia proseggish proteinoyme;

REPPAS: Gia mia akomh fora moy dinete th dynatothta na epanalabw tis gnwstes ellhnikes qeseis. Gnwrizete poia einai h proseggish ths Elladas gia thn antimetwpish twn ellhnotoyrkikwn qematwn. Allwste, gia ta qemata ayta edwse prosfata synenteyjh o k. Pagkalos. O k. Papandreoy kai o k. Kranidiwths exoyn kanei dhlwseis kai egw ekana dhlwseis, thn prwth kiolas hmera, otan egine gnwsto oti diatypwse thn protash o k. Tzem. Aytes einai oi qeseis tis opoies epanalambanoyme sthn epistolh poy paradidetai shmera.

Ayto to opoio epishmainoyme einai oti h politikh ths "bhma pros bhma" proseggishs, einai mia politikh poy mporei na antimetwpisei to qema ths yfalokrhpidas, poy kai oi dyo pleyres dexontai oti einai xronizon problhma kai prepei me th syntajh Synyposxetikoy na odhghqei sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, wste epiteloys na breqei lysh. Antimetwpizetai epishs to qema poy proekyce meta thn amfisbhthsh ths ellhnikhs kyriarxias sth braxonhsida Imia. Akomh, h ellhnikh protash exei enan ployto idewn gia to pws mporei na dhmioyrghqei klima empistosynhs metajy twn dyo xwrwn, ws apotelesma twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai sto plaisio toy NATO metajy twn presbewn twn dyo xwrwn h sth bash ths Diakhryjhs ths Madriths, thn opoia synomologhsan oi hgetes twn dyo xwrwn. Epishs, exoyme ekdhlwsei endiaferon na doqei synexeia sth synanthsh twn empeirognwmonwn twn dyo xwrwn, sto plaisio ths koinotikhs prwtoboylias, afoy ws koinotikh prwtoboylia anaptyxqhke ayth h diadikasia. Kai bebaiws, h anagnwrish ths dikaiodosias toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs kai h ajiopoihsh twn dynatothtwn poy mas parexei to Dikasthrio ayto gia thn antimetwpish kai epilysh qematwn poy prokyptoyn, einai -opws tonizetai sthn epistolh- o akrogwniaios liqos gia thn aproskopth anaptyjh kalwn sxesewn metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sxoliasete tis sklhres kai adiallaktes an qelete, qeseis toy k. Mpler, o opoios se epistolh toy pros ton Proedro Klhridh zhtaei na symperilhfqei stis entajiakes synomilies to kaqestws ths eisbolhs toy Attila, se isotimh bash. Kai akomh zhta mataiwsh ths egkatastashs twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro.

REPPAS: H epistolh apeyqynetai sthn hgesia ths Kyproy. Apanthsh sta qemata ta opoia qigontai me thn epistolh ayth, qa dwsei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh. To diko mas sxolio mporei na perioristei, ayth thn wra, se dyo shmeia:

To ena anaferetai sth symmetoxh twn Toyrkokypriwn. Kai edw epanalambanw th gnwsth qesh mas oti epiqymoyme na breqei formoyla symmetoxhs twn Toyrkokypriwn me dyo proypoqeseis. H mia sxetizetai me to oti h symmetoxh ayth den mporei na odhgei se anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys ws kyriarxoy kratoys. H de allh proypoqesh einai oti den einai dynaton h symmetoxh twn Toyrkokypriwn na einai tetoia poy qa dhmioyrgei problhmata sthn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy.

To deytero, anaferetai sthn kat' epanalhch diatypwmenh qesh ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs, me thn opoia symfwnoyme, oti einai anafaireto dikaiwma ths en ocei twn kindynwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei gia thn asfaleia ths Megalonhsoy, na probainei se ola ekeina ta metra kai toys ejoplismoys, prokeimenoy etsi na yperaspistei thn aytonomia kai thn kyriarxia ths. Einai, loipon, mia politikh epilogh thn opoia epikrotoyme. Gnwrizete oti h diadikasia ths promhqeias aytwn twn oplikwn systhmatwn einai se ejelijh. Den antilambanomaste poios einai o logos poy prepei na anakopei. Enas logos yparxei kai exei teqei eyqys ej arxhs, poy den einai allos para h plhrhs apostratikopoihsh toy nhsioy. Efoson pragmatika oloi epiqymoyn na mhn yparxoyn stratos kai oplika systhmata sto nhsi -emeis eimaste prwtoi metajy aytwn- toys kaloyme na symbaloyn, wste pragmatika, na epiteyxqei epiteloys proodos s' ayton ton toso krisimo tomea. Na pame, dhladh, se apostratikopoihsh. Giati pisteyoyme oti etsi, qa dhmioyrghqoyn synqhkes asfaleias kai staqerothtas sthn Kypro kai sthn eyryterh perioxh. Xwris ejoplismoys, xwris proklhseis, xwris dapanes. Ara, loipon, idoy "stadion dojhs lampron", to opoio qa prepei na akoloyqhsoyn kai oloi ekeinoi oi opoioi miloyn peri ths eirhnhs, ths staqerothtas kai ths asfaleias sthn perioxh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H Megalh Bretania einai h proedreyoysa xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Toyto, kata thn apoch sas, egkymonei kapoioys kindynoys, meta tis dhlwseis toy k. Mpler, oson afora thn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy;

REPPAS: H Bretania einai mia megalh xwra. Qa elega, oti einai mia xwra h opoia sebetai thn paradosh kai toys qesmoys, threi toys kanones kai m' ayth thn ennoia, den einai dynaton, para na kinhqei entos toy nomikoy kai politikoy plaisioy me to opoio exei ejoysiodothqei, prokeimenoy na askei thn politikh ths, ws proedreyoysa xwra ths E.E.

POYLIDOY: Mia dieykrinish: Eipate prin, anaforika me th symmetoxh twn Toyrkokypriwn, oti ayth den mporei na dhmioyrghsei problhmata sthn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy. Ara, ypo opoiodhpote kaqestws ki an symfwnhqei, h symmetoxh twn Toyrkokypriwn o rolos toys qa einai mono katafatikos; Qa katafaskoyn dhladh, stis synomilies; Stis entajiakes diadikasies den qa exoyn dikaiwma arnhshs;

REPPAS: Exei anagnwristei pws mia einai h dieqnhs proswpikothta ths Kyproy, mia einai h nomimh kybernhsh. Apo th stigmh, loipon, poy me ayth th nomimh kybernhsh, h E.E. exei symfwnhsei thn proodo twn entajiakwn diadikasiwn ths Kyproy, den einai dynato na anatrapei ayth h poreia, epeidh oi opoies dynameis sto eswteriko ths Megalonhsoy exoyn antiqeth apoch. Allwste - kai ayto einai ena sxolio epi ths oysias ths erwthshs sas- dhmochfisma to opoio eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas prosfata, apedeije oti h pleiochfia twn Toyrkokypriwn epiqymei thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Eykola, loipon, synagetai to politiko symperasma, oti ekeinos o opoios den epiqymei thn entajh, den einai oi Toyrkokyprioi, alla h Toyrkia mesw ths epishmhs hgesias ths, gia logoys politikoys, gia logoys poy exoyn sxesh me tis dikes ths epidiwjeis gia thn paroysia ths genikotera sthn perioxh ayth ths notianatolikhs Eyrwphs kai ths Mesogeioy.

Exw th gnwmh, loipon, pws den einai dynaton h Kypros na paramenei "aixmalwth" twn sxediwn ths Toyrkias sthn perioxh. Qa prepei, h symmetoxh olwn twn dynamewn s' ayth thn omada diapragmateyshs gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E., metajy twn allwn, na perilambanei mia qetikh proseggish ths megalhs ayths proklhshs poy legetai entajh sthn E.E. An yparxei arnhtikh proseggish, allazei pleon strathgika -qa elega- o prosanatolismos ths Megalonhsoy. Ayto, omws, einai kati gia to opoio kai h Kypros exei apofasisei -symfwna me ta osa einai paradedegmena kai isxyoyn- alla kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

POYLIDOY: Ayta einai ws pros thn entajiakh strathgikh ths Kyproy, ws pros th diadikasia. Egw sas erwtw, sto plaisio ths diapragmateyshs, oi Toyrkokyprioi, estw oti symmetexoyn. Exoyn dikaiwma logoy; Dhladh, exoyn dikaiwma kai na arnhqoyn sth diarkeia ths diapragmateyshs;

REPPAS: Na arnhqoyn thn entajh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ayto ennoeite.

POYLIDOY: Oxi. Ennow sto plaisio ths diapragmateyshs, sta epimeroys qemata poy qa syzhtoyntai kaqe fora.

REPPAS: Asfalws qa exoyn gnwmh oi Toyrkokyprioi kai h symmetoxh toys den mporei na einai diakosmhtikh. Alla h symmetoxh ayth, pisteyoyme qa katateinei sto na enisxysei thn prospaqeia poy kanei hdh h Kypros, wste to syntomotero dynato na katastei melos ths E.E. M' ayth thn ennoia, mia tetoia stash twn Toyrkokypriwn -efoson symmetexoyn s' ayth thn omada diapragmateyshs- oloi qa th xairetisoyme me ikanopoihsh.

POYLIDOY: Sth diarkeia, loipon, ths diapragmateyshs, veto qa qetoyn;

REPPAS: Ka Poylidoy, qetete kai pali ena qema gia to opoio sas apanthsa prin. Eseis blepete ws anoixto to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Emeis qewroyme oti ayto to qema exei kleisei kai oydeis mporei na empodisei thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Eseis qewreite pws kapoios mporei na thn empodisei. Exoyme mia diafwnia. Exete mia allh apoch, mia allh proseggish sto qema. Emeis qewroyme, loipon, oti den einai dynaton h symmetoxh twn Toyrkokypriwn na odhgei se kindynoys thn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy. Me opoiondhpote tropo, an qelete mporeite na ermhneyete toys kindynoys gia toys opoioys milhsate. Ayta einai safh kai jekaqarismena qemata.

BITALHS: Kai pws ejasfalizetai ayto to qema mesa apo tis sygkekrimenes protaseis poy exoyn ypoblhqei kai apo thn protash toy k. Xanei;

REPPAS: As mhn kanoyme ayth thn wra senaria, as mhn protrexoyme. Ayto to opoio einai dedomeno, einai to plaisio gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Syntoma jekinoyn oi syzhthseis, sto telos toy mhnos Martioy, to gnwrizete. Pisteyw, loipon, oti ola ta qemata ta opoia qa prokyptoyn sthn poreia kai qa dhmioyrghsoyn kai problhmata sthn prospaqeia ayth poy kanei h Kypros, analogws qa antimetwpistoyn. Mh sas diafeygei oti exei kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh "ergaleia" sta xeria ths, ta opoia mporei na xrhsimopoihsei apotelesmatika, prokeimenoy na eyodwqei h prospaqeia ayth poy ginetai edw kai arketa xronia gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. Den einai h Ellada anisxyrh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei aproblepta endexomena. Kai bebaiws, eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme kaqe tetoio endexomeno.

MIXAHL: O k. Shmiths mas eipe xqes, oti aisqanetai anetos gia na kybernhsei. To gegonos, omws, oti 30 boyleytes diafwnoyn me ton enan h ton allo tropo, mia phgainoyn sta Synedria ths Neolaias, kapoioi apo aytoys den chfizoyn orismena nomosxedia, alloi kanoyn apoxh, alloi phgainoyn gia kafe. Ayto den einai ena problhma to opoio prepei na antimetwpisete; Kai an nai, pws; Poio einai to politiko mhnyma poy prokyptei;

REPPAS: To politiko mhnyma poy prokyptei einai, oti h Kybernhsh mas paramenei staqerh. Exei th sthrijh ths Koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias, h opoia kai thn anedeije se Kybernhsh toy topoy me thn chfo, bebaia, toy ellhnikoy laoy. H poreia ayth synexizetai adiataraxta. Yparxei politikh staqerothta ston topo. Ayto to opoio epidiwkoyme, einai me to ergo mas -poy den einai tipota allo, para h antimetwpish kai lysh twn problhmatwn ths xwras mas kai toy ellhnikoy laoy- na kanoyme kai pali ton ellhniko lao na mas chfisei stis epomenes ekloges, to 2000. Ayth einai h prospaqeia thn opoia kataballoyme kai pisteyoyme oti qa einai epityxhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mhpws meta kai tis paraineseis ths Neas Dhmokratias kai toy Synaspismoy skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos na apomakrynei ton k. Giannopoylo apo to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos einai Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai. Qa parameinei dhladh;

REPPAS: Pali, Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den ton apasxoloyn kaqoloy ton Prwqypoyrgo ta osa symbainoyn sto xwro ths Dikaiosynhs;

REPPAS: Den symbainoyn sth Dikaiosynh ...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn kainoyrgia kai gia toys dhmosiografoys. O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs epiteqhke kai stoys dhmosiografoys kai toys apekalese xamenoys ...

REPPAS: Parakalw poly.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai problhma.

REPPAS: Ginontai sxolia apo polles pleyres gia polla qemata. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o k. Giannopoylos einai Ypoyrgos kai moxqei na ferei se peras ena poly shmantiko ergo. Exei na epideijei qetika apotelesmata sthn prospaqeia poy kanei gia na antimetwpisei problhmata twn kladwn, toys opoioys epopteyei to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. H Kybernhsh tima toys qesmoys kai toys foreis. Idiaiterws, qa elega, oti o Dikhgorikos Syllogos Aqhnas einai o megalyteros episthmonikos Syllogos ths xwras. Exei mia istoria kai ena kyros poy toy dinoyn mia jexwristh qesh sth dhmosia zwh. Parakalw poly, omws, ola ayta ta qemata na ta antimetwpizoyme me cyxraimia, oxi me monomereia, giati xreiazetai na epanelqei h hremia, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ayto to opoio o ellhnikos laos apaitei na einai kai to antikeimeno toy endiaferontos mas: Ta problhmata toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh tima toys qesmoys. O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs toys tima m' ayta poy leei;

REPPAS: O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs einai melos ths Kybernhshs.

FILHS: Dyo erwthseis qelw na ypobalw. H prwth, an h Kybernhsh qewrei oti o tropos me ton opoio symperiferetai o k. Giannopoylos antikatoptrizei...

REPPAS: Apanthsa gia ayta prin.

FILHS: Parakalw na oloklhrwsw thn erwthsh: Antikatoptrizei to neo hqos poy epaggelletai h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa gi' ayta prin kai gnwrizete oti to hqos ths Kybernhshs brisketai se poly ychlo epipedo, tetoio poy qa to zhleyan kai polles alles xwres. Makari tetoioy epipedoy dhmosio hqos, na yphrxe kai se palaioteres epoxes ths patridas mas.

FILHS: Erwtw, an h symperifora toy k. Giannopoyloy antikatoptrizei to epaggelomeno apo thn Kybernhsh "neo hqos".

REPPAS: Apanthsa molis prin s' ayto.

FILHS: Deyterh erwthsh: Ean exete sto Ypoyrgeio Typoy eidikh yphresia me mhxanhmata gia na parakoloyqeite ta thlefwnhmata twn ypallhlwn kai twn episkeptwn toy Ypoyrgeioy.

REPPAS: Asfalws den exoyme kai den prepei na exoyme.

FILHS: To oti yparxei sto Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, opws o idios o k. Giannopoylos eipe xqes, pws to sxoliazete;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw ti eipe o k. Giannopoylos. Qa sas dwsei apanthsh o k. Giannopoylos epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos. Qelw na pisteyw oti oydeis parakoloyqei se mia eynomoymenh koinwnia, tis thlefwnikes epikoinwnies poy exoyn oi polites. Kai ayto ginetai.

MIXAHL: Rwtw ean gia paradeigma gnwrizete oti o k. Giannopoylos esteile aytokinhto ths proswpikhs toy asfaleias, poy toy parexei to Kratos, na parei to sygkekrimeno dhmosiografo poy to brady toy epeisodioy, thn perasmenh Pempth, ekane tis dhlwseis mono se ena kanali -den exei shmasia poio htan, alla ekane ayth th sygkekrimenh energeia- kai malista den phge apo thn kyria eisodo toy Ypoyrgeioy, para apo thn allh eisodo, parakamptontas toys sygkentrwmenoys ap' ejw dikhgoroys poy diamartyrontan, alla kai toys dhmosiografoys poy perimenan na doyn thn ejelijh toy qematos. Ean tetoioy eidoys energeies pisteyete eseis oti bohqoyn sthn epikoinwniakh politikh kai thn eikona ths Kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw oles aytes tis leptomereies, oyte exoyn endiaferon ola ayta ta qemata gia toys Ellhnes polites. Ayto to opoio exei endiaferon, einai na antimetwpizontai ta problhmata toy topoy. Oloi oi foreis qa prepei na anadeiknyoyn ta problhmata toys kai sto plaisio enos kalopistoy dialogoy, me politismeno yfos kai me tropo tetoio poy odhgei se praktika apotelesmata, se lyseis. O k. Giannopoylos einai enas politikos o opoios, opws exei apodeijei h peira, einai apotelesmatikotatos. Dinei lyseis se polla problhmata. Kai twra, exei antimetwpisei qetika polla qemata poy htan se ekkremothta. Ayto exei endiaferon giati telika ayto exei shmasia gia to lao kai th xwra. Ola ta alla, bebaiws, sto plaisio twn analogwn diadikasiwn, qa antimetwpistoyn.

MIXAHL: Ena lepto k. Ypoyrge. Dhladh lynei ta problhmata alla ....

REPPAS: Ma me rwtate na sas apanthsw k. Mixahl an htan swsto to oti diakinhqhke me ena aytokinhto kai den mphke apo th mia porta poy lete eseis;

MIXAHL: Bebaiws. Edw egine oloklhrh "astynomikh epixeirhsh" gia na ginei ayto.

REPPAS: Kyrie Mixahl, kai den to gnwrizw kai den exw logo na to plhroforhqw.

MIXAHL: Tote na sas rwthsw kati akoma: To gegonos oti o k. Giannopoylos, kata thn ektimhsh sas, kanei kala th doyleia toy, ton nomimopoiei na symperiferetai opws symperiferetai, pros dhmosiografoys h pros ekproswpoys twn koinwnikwn organwn;

REPPAS: Apanthsa gi' ayta ta qemata prin. Kanw ena symplhrwmatiko sxolio: oti oloi -kai oydeis ejaireitai, oyte oi politikoi, oyte bebaiws oi dhmosiografoi- qa prepei me thn analogh eyprepeia, na syzhtoyme ta qemata ta opoia mas apasxoloyn. Kai na epilegoyme na syzhtoyme ta qemata ta opoia exoyn to meizon endiaferon, giati -epanalambanw- apo thn antimetwpish aytwn twn qematwn qa kriqei kai h proodos poy qa syntelestei sth xwra mas ta epomena xronia. Ayto einai to kaqhkon mas.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos skeptetai, sto plaisio twn taktikwn epafwn poy exei me koinwnikoys foreis, na synanthqei me thn hgesia toy Dikhgorikoy Syllogoy Aqhnwn;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei programmatistei tetoia synanthsh. Alla o Prwqypoyrgos exei pragmati synanthseis se takta diasthmata me ekproswpoys diaforwn koinwnikwn omadwn, syllogwn, epimelhthriwn, enwsewn. Einai kati to opoio den apokleietai. Den einai omws kati poy exei programmatistei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes sas rwthsa gia to qema ths Flwrinas kai moy eipate oti kanena komma den exei zhthsei na paei to qema sth Boylh. Xqes, zhthsan ta kommata na paei to qema sth Boylh. Qa thn pate th symbash ekei;

REPPAS: Poia kommata zhthsan na paei sth Boylh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Nea Dhmokratia.

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti h Nea Dhmokratia...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan kataqetei aithsh kataqesews eggrafwn, otan leei na katateqei h symbash;

REPPAS: H Nea Dhmokratia den zhthse na yparjei syzhthsh sth Boylh, prokeimenoy dia ths nomoqetikhs odoy na epikyrwqei ayth h symbash. H Nea Dhmokratia zhthse enhmerwsh kai doqhke, amesws, h apanthsh oti einai sth diaqesh ths kas Mpakogiannh kai ths Neas Dhmokratias, to synolo twn stoixeiwn poy exei h Kybernhsh kai h DEH, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqoyn oi ekproswpoi ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs gia ta qemata ta opoia exoyn sxesh me thn kataskeyh toy sygkekrimenoy ergostasioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa katateqoyn ta eggrafa sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti ta eggrafa ayta den einai kapoies selides. Einai tomoi oloklhroi. Exoyn klhqei, kat' epanalhch -to eipa ki egw apo thn prwth hmera poy syzhthsame ayto to qema- oi boyleytes poy exoyn epideijei endiaferon na proselqoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs h sth DEH, prokeimenoy na melethsoyn lejh pros lejh olh th symbash, ola ta stoixeia ta opoia perilambanontai sto fakelo poy afora thn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy sth Flwrina. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti to endiaferon poy deixnoyn kapoioi shmera, epanaferontas ws anagkaia th syzhthsh ayths ths symbashs sth Boylh, mallon einai ypokritiko. Giati, exw sth diaqesh moy topoqethseis pollwn paragontwn, oi opoioi, ligoys mhnes prin, htan kaqeta antiqetoi sto na erqei ayto to qema sth Boylh. Exw dhlwseis edw kai einai sth diaqesh sas...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioi paragontes einai;

REPPAS: Exoyn pei oti "den einai dynaton h Boylh na ginei kolymbhqra toy Silwam", me to na syzhtaei tetoia qemata. Epishs oti "h Boylh den mporei na kyrwnei apates". O k. Barbitsiwths eixe pei oti "apotelei efeyrhma poy odhgei sthn ejaqliwsh ths Dhmokratias, mesw ths nomoqetikhs kalychs na nomimopoieitai h anhqikothta kai h anapotelesmatikothta". Yparxoyn para polles tetoies dhlwseis poy eginan ton perasmeno Aprilio kai Ioylio otan zhtoysan na mhn paei to qema sth Boylh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia th Flwrina;

REPPAS: Nai, gia th Flwrina. Einai sth diaqesh sas. Parakalw para poly -kai periorizomai mono se ayta ta sxolia twra- na yparxei mia synepeia aytwn poy legontai se diaforetikes stigmes, ektos an exoyn allajei ta dedomena. Ta dedomena edw den allajan. H an allajan (epeidh akribws parenebh o anejarthtos ektimhths, o opoios eklhqh kai katelhje se ena sygkekrimeno porisma) ta dedomena, gi' ayto to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio asxolhqhke kai elabe ayth thn apofash, h opoia odhgei, telika, sthn epispeysh ths kataskeyhs toy ergostasioy sth Flwrina.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta dedomena allajan kata 60 dis, k. Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas apoch. Einai ceydeis oi isxyrismoi oi opoioi diatypwnontai. Gia ola ayta ta qemata exoyn doqei apostomwtikes apanthseis kai oi apanthseis aytes exoyn doqei toso se kentriko oso kai se perifereiako kai topiko epipedo. Qa elega, malista, oti einai kai yperkommatikoy xarakthra. Kai ayto qa prepei na mh sas diafeygei.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei diabibastei sthn Aqhna kai thn Agkyra aithma ths Boylgarikhs kybernhshs gia analhch prwtoboylias Aqhnas-Agkyras-Sofias, sxetika me thn krish sto Kossyfopedio;

REPPAS: Exei apostalei epistolh, edw kai arketes hmeres, ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ths Boylgarias, h opoia proteinei mia tetramerh prwtoboylia Elladas-Toyrkias-Boylgarias-Roymanias, me antikeimeno thn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Gnwrizete oti gia to qema ayto, meta th Balkanikh Diaskech ths Krhths, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh eixe diatypwsei mia idea na filojenhsei toys hgetes ths Serbias kai ths Albanias, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyn ayto to qema kai na dwsoyn lysh. O k. Pagkalos, ek meroys ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, exei apanthsei se ayth thn epistolh. Sthn apanthsh poy doqhke, shmeiwnetai o qetikos tropos me ton opoion proseggizoyme kaqe prwtoboylia gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos sto Kossyfopedio, efoson sthn prwtoboylia ayth symmetexoyn oles oi xwres ths perioxhs, poy exoyn logo kai rolo gia tis ejelijeis se mia pleyra, se ena tmhma, se mia gwnia ths Balkanikhs kai, bebaiws, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ayth einai h qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Pisteyoyme, loipon, oti prepei na ginei dekth ayth h qesh mas kai epiqymoyme h krish, h opoia yparxei sto Kossyfopedio, na antimetwpistei me diadikasies dialogoy, me diadikasies synainetikes. Prokeimenoy, omws, h krish na antimetwpistei, apolyta kai oloklhrwtika, antilambaneste oti prepei na symmetexoyn oloi. Den mporei na ejaireqoyn kapoioi kai kapoioi alloi na xeiristoyn to problhma. Qa prepei, loipon, na eimaste anoiktoi se ayth thn prwtoboylia. Ayth einai h dikh mas proseggish.

BITALHS: Poioi einai oi ypoloipoi; Ta Skopia ennoeite kai...

REPPAS: Kai ta Skopia, bebaiws. Kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

FILHS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio kybernhtiko, meta apo thn ejelijh me to diaggelma, kata kapoio tropo, toy k. Klinton kai th syzhthsh toy sxedioy, ths Symfwnias ths Bagdaths, symfwna me to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE;

REPPAS: Ekfrazoyme thn ikanopoihsh mas, giati h apofash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias twn H.E. ginetai sebasth. H krish ektonwnetai, apofeygetai h polemikh anametrhsh. Pisteyoyme, oti ta symfwnhqenta sth Bagdath qa thrhqoyn apo oles tis pleyres, wste na brei lysh ena problhma, to opoio, par' oligon, na odhghsei se qermh anametrhsh. Einai mia para poly kalh stigmh ayth, oxi mono giati antimetwpisthke mia krish sth genesh ths, poy einai to pio shmantiko, alla kai gia to oti apodeixthke oti o Organismos Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai idiaitera o Genikos Grammateas toy mporoyn na exoyn apotelesmatikes parembaseis, katajiwnontas etsi to rolo kai thn apostolh toys.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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