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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20.2.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to opoio asxolhqhke me dyo qemata:

* To plaisio ths politikhs mas gia ton Aqlhtismo kai,

* To qema ths kataskeyhs toy Ergostasioy ths DEH sth Flwrina.

Oson afora to prwto qema, egine syzhthsh epi toy nomosxedioy, enocei ths kataqeshs toy, syntomotata, sth Boylh apo ton armodio Yfypoyrgo A. Foyra.

Labame ypoch mas oti h isxyoysa nomoqesia apo to 1975 exei ypostei dekades tropopoihseis kai symplhrwseis, me apotelesma shmera o efarmosths toy Dikaioy gia ta qemata Aqlhtismoy na synanta terasties dyskolies, epeidh prepei na anatrejei se 520 (!) nomoys kai Kanonistikes Prajeis. Labame, epishs, ypoch oti meta thn parodo twn 23 xronwn apo tote poy chfisthke o nomos 75/75, polla exoyn allajei kai xreiazetai na epikairopoihqei, na eksygxronistei. Akomh, prepei na exoyme ypoch mas oti hdh exei arxisei h antistrofh metrhsh gia th diorganwsh ths Olympiadas toy 2004.

Gia toys logoys aytoys, enas neos sxediasmos ths politikhs mas gia ton Aqlhtismo kaqistatai aparaithtos, epitaktikos.

Ta qemata ta opoia perilambanontai stis ryqmiseis aytoy toy nomosxedioy anaferontai:

* Sthn organwsh toy mazikoy Aqlhtismoy, ton opoio, ws politikh prwtoboylia, aneptyje apo th dekaetia toy '80 to tote Yfypoyrgeio Neas Genias kai Aqlhtismoy.

* Ston eksygxronismo ths nomoqesias oson afora thn Epitroph twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn (EOA) kai th Dieqnh Olympiakh Epitroph (DOE). Xarakthristika, prepei na sas pw oti sthn Epitroph Olympiakwn Agwnwn tis armodiothtes tis exei kai tis askei o Antiproedros kai oxi o Proedros. Kai ayto giati otan sygkrothqhke h EOA Proedros htan o tote basilias, o opoios den hqele bebaiws na asxoleitai me kaqhmerina kai tapeina zhthmata kai eixe problefqei tote tis armodiothtes na tis exei o A' Antiproedros, kati poy synexizetai akomh kai shmera, afoy tis isxyres armodiothtes tis exei o A' Antiproedros. Ayto einai ena paradeigma poy deixnei thn anagkh gia eksygxronismo ths nomoqesias.

* Ston ejorqologismo twn kratikwn enisxysewn, epixorhghsewn, o opoios einai aparaithtos, stoys aqlhtikoys foreis (omospondies, swmateia, stadia k.t.l.) prokeimenoy oi enisxyseis aytes na einai antikeimenikes, na ginontai me diafaneia kai na mhn ypakoyoyn se pelateiaka krithria.

* Sthn antimetwpish qematwn bias, qemata ta opoia exoyn prokalesei endiaferon thn teleytaia periodo sthn patrida mas, para to oti -kai prepei na to poyme ayto- ta fainomena bias sto xwro toy ellhnikoy Aqlhtismoy den exoyn thn entash, thn ektash poy parathreitai se alles xwres. Par' olo oti yparxei isxyro nomiko kai qesmiko oplostasio, sto plaisio toy poinikoy nomoy, pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na ginoyn ryqmiseis, wste h Aqlhtikh Dikaiosynh na epilambanetai qematwn bias kai na epibalei kyrwseis, oi opoies polles fores einai pio apotelesmatikes. Isws apo to na epibaleis fylakish se kapoion einai pio apotelesmatiko, pio aysthro h en pash periptwsei perissotero sklhro gia ekeinon kai ta symferonta toy, na toy epibaleis enan apokleismo apo aqlhtikh drasthriothta. Antilambaneste, loipon, pws oi ryqmiseis sto plaisio ths Aqlhtikhs Dikaiosynhs einai aparaithtes. Gia to qema ayto to nomosxedio problepei poly sygkekrimenes ryqmiseis.

Epishs, me ayto to sxedio nomoy, ginetai mia safhs diakrish twn krithriwn kai twn orwn leitoyrgias gia ton erasitexniko kai ton epaggelmatiko Aqlhtismo, enw lambanetai pronoia gia th diamorfwsh mias endiameshs fashs gia ta aqlhmata ekeina, ta opoia briskontai sto stadio metabashs apo ton erasitexniko ston epaggelmatiko tomea.

Sto nomosxedio perilambanontai eidikes ryqmiseis gia to anoigma twn Swmateiwn stoys polites. Gnwrizete oti shmera einai para poly dyskolo, ews adynato se polles periptwseis, na ginei kapoios melos se aqlhtiko swmateio.

Epishs kaqorizetai gia ta aqlhtika swmateia eniaios tropos thrhshs bibliwn. O elegxos twn oikonomikwn stoixeiwn kai twn pepragmenwn twn aqlhtikwn swmateiwn qa ginetai apo tis Dhmosies Oikonomikes Yphresies (DOY).

To nomosxedio anaferetai se qemata dhmioyrgias Aqlhtikwn Enwsewn se kaqe nomo. Anaferetai, epishs, se qemata poy aforoyn allages stis Aqlhtikes Anwnymes Etairies kai ta tmhmata ameibomenwn aqlhtwn, kaqws kai stis sxeseis twn aqlhtwn me ta tmhmata sta opoia anhkoyn.

Kleinontas, meta th syntomh ayth staxyologhsh, prepei na sas pw oti to nomosxedio perilambanei ryqmiseis gia th Diaithsia. Qa elega pws h kainotomia sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, einai h diakrish metajy twn energwn diaithtwn kai aytwn poy den briskontai sthn energo drash, oi opoioi shmera anhkoyn stoys idioys Syndesmoys, kati poy den qa ginetai sto mellon. Epishs, h Diaithsia ginetai ameibomenh, oi de neoi diaithtes gia tis epaggelmatikes kathgories qa proerxontai apo toys ptyxioyxoys, toys apofoitoys twn antistoixwn sxolwn twn TEEFA.

* To allo qema to opoio mas apasxolhse kai elhfqh sxetikh apofash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy afora thn kataskeyh ths monadas ths DEH sth Flwrina.

To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio apofasise, me bash kai to porisma toy anejarthtoy ektimhth, toy megaloy oikoy "Lahmeyer International", oti to timhma poy symfwnhqhke apo th DEH meta tis diapragmateyseis tis opoies diejhgage, einai eylogo kai antagwnistiko. Me bash ayta ta dedomena proxwroyme amesws sthn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy sth Flwrina. Prokeimenoy to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio na labei ayth thn apofash, elabe ypoch toy: tis diakratikes symfwnies metajy Ellados - Rwsias poy eixan ginei hdh apo to telos ths dekaetias toy '80, opws epishs ta prwtokolla kai ta pararthmata ta opoia eixan symfwnhqei metajy twn dyo xwrwn apo to 1990 ews to 1993, opote to PASOK anadeixqhke pali kybernhsh toy topoy. Sto plaisio aytwn twn symfwniwn problepotan ws antistaqmisma gia thn eisagwgh toy fysikoy aerioy sthn Ellada kai h kataskeyh mias lignitikhs monadas paragwghs hlektrikoy reymatos.

H monada ayth apofasisthke na kataskeyastei sthn perioxh Meliths - Axladas sth Flwrina, edw kai arketa xronia. Meta, loipon, thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ta opoia proekycan kai thn epideixqeisa eyaisqhsia apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs, gia logoys diafaneias kai antikeimenikothtas, na prosfygei ston anejarthto oiko o opoios qa ektimoyse to eylogo kai to antagwnistiko toy timhmatos, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ekrine shmera oti hrqe h wra na oloklhrwqei ayth h ependysh syntomotata.

To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio elabe ypoch toy to N.2299/95, poy epikyrwnei aytes tis symfwnies poy eixan prohghqei, me ton opoio problepetai h ap' eyqeias anaqesh ths dhmioyrgias enos staqmoy hlektroparagwghs sth Flwrina, isxyos peripoy 300 MW.

Epishs, elabe ypoch toy: Thn katartisqeisa sxetikh symbash metajy ths DEH kai toy kataskeyasth, gia thn ektelesh toy ergoy. To porisma toy anejarthtoy oikoy ston opoio anaferqhka prin. Epishs thn anagkaiothta ekmetalleyshs egxwriwn porwn gia thn paragwgh hlektrikhs energeias, se syndyasmo me thn politikh mas gia thn anaptyjh twn parameqoriwn perioxwn, opws einai h Flwrina.

Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, apofasise na proxwrhsei, to syntomotero dynato, h kataskeyh toy ergostasioy. Na efarmostei, dhladh, h katartisqeisa symbash apo th DEH. Einai, pleon, ergo ths DEH na oloklhrwsei to syntomotero dynaton aytes tis diadikasies. Epanalambanw oti krinoyme pws h symbash ayth einai symferoysa gia th DEH kai gia to ellhniko Dhmosio, genika H kataskeyh toy ergostasioy einai anagkaia kai symferoysa gia polloys logoys, oi opoioi exoyn sxesh me thn oikonomikh politikh kai thn anaptyjh, exoyn sxesh kai me thn thrhsh twn isorropiwn sto eyrytero plaisio twn sxesewn Elladas - Rwsias. Ayto den einai tipote allo para ena meros efarmoghs ths diakratikhs ayths symfwnias.

Ayta eixa na sas pw, eisagwgika. Eimai sth diaqesh sas gia na apanthsw stis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Egine kamia anafora apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h apo opoiodhpote allo melos ths Kybernhshs gia tis eswkommatikes ejelijeis;

REPPAS: Oxi. Den egine kamia, apolytws, anafora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti ayth h kataskeyh toy ergostasioy symferei. Giati ayto to timhma -to "eylogo kai antagwnistiko" poy lete- anebhke kata 60 dis; Poios ekane thn ypertimologhsh;

REPPAS: Isa-isa h apanthsh, h opoia erxetai apo to idio to porisma, apodeiknyei oti to timhma einai katwtero aytoy to opoio qa eprepe na katabalei h DEH, ston kataskeyasth. Einai katwtero kata 5%, an kriqei me bash thn analytikh meqodo thn opoia akoloyqhse o anejarthtos oikos gia na krinei to timhma. Einai katwtero, peripoy, kata 6%, an kriqei me bash th sygkritikh meqodo, thn opoia akoloyqhse o kataskeyasths, gia na krinei to eylogo kai antagwnistiko toy timhmatos. Einai katwtero. Oxi mono den einai anwtero, kai malista se ena ycos posoy sto opoio anaferqhkate, alla einai katwtero se pososta 5% h 6%, analogws twn meqodwn tis opoies akoloyqei kapoios gia na bgalei to teliko symperasma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei allo porisma, omws, poy leei oti einai ypertimhmeno kata 60 dis.

REPPAS: Den yparxei kanena allo porisma. Parakalw na to qesete sth diaqesh mas gia na to syzhthsoyme, an yparxei allo porisma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei erwthsh 4 boyleytwn toy PASOK...

REPPAS: Erwthseis yparxoyn, bebaiws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: ...kai boyleytwn ths N.D. poy lene ta idia pragmata: Oti einai ypertimhmeno kata 60 dis. Poios karpoytai ta 60 dis;

REPPAS: Ma, poios leei oti einai ypertimhmeno kata 60 dis; To lete eseis h to isxyrizontai aytoi oi opoioi kataqetoyn erwthseis. Epeidh akribws -giati milhsa gia thn eyaisqhsia ths Kybernhshs- eprepe na antimetwpizoyme ola ayta ta erwthmatika h tis amfibolies, oi opoies dhmioyrghqhkan, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph synedriase, sto telos toy parelqontos Ioylioy, arxes Aygoystoy, kai apofasise na anaqesei se jeno Oiko, na elegjei an to timhma, to opoio symfwnhse h DEH, einai eylogo kai antagwnistiko. Th diadikasia gia thn epilogh toy jenoy Oikoy thn anelabe h ETEBA. Sth diagwnistikh ayth diadikasia proshlqan 23 Oikoi, prokeimenoy na analaboyn ayto to ergo. Epelegh enas apo toys megalyteroys, dieqnws, Oikoys me tetoio antikeimeno, opws einai h Lahmeyer International, h opoia einai gnwsth ws pros thn ajiopistia, thn ikanothta ths, thn eparkeia ths, thn ypodomh ths, to anqrwpino kai episthmoniko dynamiko poy exei, gia na diejagei tetoioy eidoys elegxoys. To porisma ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias exei dhmosieyqei -to tmhma toy ekeino poy anaferetai sta symperasmata ths meleths poy ekane- kai mporei o kaqenas na bgalei ta dika toy symperasmata. Yparxoyn, bebaiws, kai oi erwthseis oi opoies exoyn katateqei, stis opoies anafereste. Exoyn doqei, omws, apanthseis. Kai exoyn klhqei -prepei na to pw ayto me emfash- oi boyleytes oi opoioi, sto plaisio ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias, exoyn qesei analoga erwthmata, na proselqoyn sth DEH kai na melethsoyn th symbash alla kai to porisma to opoio, bebaiws, einai sth diaqesh toys. Prepei na sas pw oti exoyn doqei apanthseis, alla, to texniko meros ths symbashs einai 11 tomoi. Ayto oyte na fwtotyphqei einai dynaton, oyte mporei na diakineitai. Kaleitai opoiosdhpote apo toys synadelfoys, poy exei erwthmatika, na proselqei kai na to melethsei me anesh xronoy. Den proserxetai kaneis. Parakalw para poly -gi ayto eimai kathgorhmatikos se ayta ta qemata- efoson yparxoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia, na milhsoyme sygkekrimena pleon epi twn stoixeiwn aytwn. Alla, den einai epitrepto na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis, gia ena zhthma, poy mporei amesa na afora mia perioxh, opws einai h Flwrina, me idiaitera problhmata, perioxh sthn opoia prepei na dwsoyme mia anaptyjiakh wqhsh enocei twn idiaiterwn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizei, alla taytoxronws, einai mia megalh ependysh poy afora to synolo ths xwras. Kai malista se enan tomea, opws einai o energeiakos, tomea poy einai neyralgikos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei kai o Symboylos ths DEH, h etaireia Cooper' s & Lybrand, h opoia exei bgalei ena porisma, enan pinaka poy leei, poso kostizoyn ola ayta ta erga kai poso kostizei to sygkekrimeno ergo. Einai kata 60 dis ligotera.

REPPAS: Epeidh akribws eidame oti arxise na anaptyssetai aytos o dialogos gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma, edw kai arketoys mhnes, para to kostos poy synepagetai h kaqysterhsh ths kataskeyhs toy ergostasioy -giati opws gnwrizete h DEH plhrwnei arketa dis enanti ths rhtras gia thn kaqysterhsh ayth- para tayta epilejame me diafanh kai antikeimeniko tropo na anaqesoyme sthn ETEBA, na kalesei oloys ekeinoys toys Oikoys poy mporoyn na kanoyn to sxetiko elegxo, prokeimenoy na diapistwqei an to timhma poy eixe symfwnhsei h DEH, htan eylogo kai antagwnistiko. Epeidh, akribws yphrxan oles aytes oi amfibolies, epeidh ekdhlwqhkan oles aytes oi apories h oi isxyrismoi, oi opoioi opws apodeiknyetai telika einai pantelws abasimoi.

KIAOS: Gia poio logo ekrine h Kybernhsh oti eprepe, xwris na exei anakoinwqei prohgoymenws h na symperilambanetai sthn hmerhsia diatajh, na eisaxqei, shmera, sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, to qema ths Flwrinas;

REPPAS: Pragmati, den eixa anakoinwsei, apo th Deytera, oti qa ginei syzhthsh epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos. Alla, prepei na pw oti, xqes, milwntas me synadelfoys sas toys enhmerwsa. Gi ayto, to en logw qema anaferetai shmera stis efhmerides, ws qema poy qa apasxolhsei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

KIAOS: Entajei. Gia poio logo;

REPPAS: Epeidh afenos diapistwsame oti kai pali ginetai syzhthsh gi ayto to qema me enan tetoio tropo, o opoios den exei antikrisma alhqeias, afeteroy epeidh pisteyoyme oti politikes dynameis qa epidiwjoyn na skandalologhsoyn thn epomenh periodo, giati adynatoyn na proteinoyn me to programma toys, to zhtoymeno allwste, sygkekrimenes lyseis sta problhmata poy antimetwpizei o ellhnikos laos kai h xwra. Kai prepei na pw oti h DEH, opws problepetai apo th diakratikh symfwnia, desmeythke ej arxhs na diapragmateyqei toys oroys kataskeyhs toy ergostasioy, me sygkekrimeno kataskeyasth. Den eixe th dynatothta, dhladh, h DEH na dienerghsei diagwnismo, wste mesw toy diagwnismoy aytoy, na epilegei o pleon katallhlos gia thn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy aytoy. Gi ayto akribws kriname skopimo oti eprepe na syzhthsoyme shmera ayto to qema, na laboyme th sxetikh apofash, na lysoyme to gordio desmo, gia na proxwrhsei h ependysh: Na kataskeyastei to ergostasio.

KIAOS: Den sxetizetai dhladh h epispeysh ayth me tis synomilies poy eixe o k. Primakof edw;

REPPAS: Mporei na pei kapoios, ws genikh arxh to anaferw ayto, oti pantote prepei na ginontai sebastes kai na throyntai oi diakratikes symfwnies. Ayto, allwste, xarakthrizei tis prohgmenes, anaptygmenes kai politismenes xwres, poy sebontai ayta ta opoia ypografoyn. Ta throyn kai ta efarmozoyn. Pisteyoyme, loipon, oti arketa kaqysterhsame. Xasame hdh peripoy deka mhnes. Me ayth thn ennoia, eprepe na laboyme thn apofash gia na apeleyqerwsoyme th DEH apo tis doyleies ayths ths kakopisths kritikhs, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei, to syntomotero dynato, h ependysh.

KIAOS: Giati den qa eisaxqei sth Boylh pros kyrwsh h sxetikh symbash;

REPPAS: Giati ayto den problepetai apo toys oroys toy diagwnismoy. H diadikasia poy akoloyqhsame shmera einai mia ejairetikh diadikasia. Kai jerete oti sth Boylh, kata kanona -kai spaniws symbainei kati diaforetiko- eisagontai pros syzhthsh symbaseis oi opoies synistoyn paraxwrhsh askhshs dhmosias leitoyrgias. Apo ekei kai pera oi Dioikhseis twn Organismwn kai twn Epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy lambanoyn apofaseis kai analambanoyn kai thn eyqynh twn apofasewn toys. Den einai dynaton na syzhtoyntai ta panta sth Boylh.

KIAOS: Poios eishghqhke, h ka Papandreoy;

REPPAS: H ka Papandreoy ws armodia Ypoyrgos.

KIAOS: Kai h apofash htan omofwnh bebaiws.

REPPAS: H apofash einai omofwnh.

KIAOS: Eishghtes sto allo qema, toy Aqlhtismoy, poioi htan;

REPPAS: Sto qema toy Aqlhtismoy eishghtes htan o Ypoyrgos Politismoy k. Benizelos, o opoios anaferqhke sto plaisio ths politikhs toy Ypoyrgeioy toy opoioy proistatai kai o k. Foyras, ws armodios Yfypoyrgos o opoios ekane ejeidikeymenh anafora sto periexomeno toy nomosxedioy to opoio katartizei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate gia skandalologoys kai gia kakopisth kritikh. Dhladh, anafereste ston k. Berybakh, ston k. Papaqemelh, ston k. Piperia kai ston k. Damianidh;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia politikes dynameis oi opoies adynatoyn, epeidh den exoyn programma gia ta problhmata ths xwras, na ekferoyn politiko logo kai na diatypwsoyn politikes protaseis. Hmoyn para poly safhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai oi boyleytes toy PASOK...

REPPAS: Oi synadelfoi anhkoyn se ena komma to opoio sthrizei mia Kybernhsh, h opoia askei thn politikh ths, me bash to programma poy exei ejaggeilei ston ellhniko lao kai gia ayto, allwste, chfisthke.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai politikh dynamh aytoi oi boyleytes;

REPPAS: Einai politikes monades. Asfalws, oloi eimaste politikh dynamh, ypo mia ennoia. Alla ekana th syndesh ekeinh h opoia edwse th dynatothta kai se sas na bgalete abiasta to symperasma.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos h ekane kamia parathrhsh pros ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs gia th symperifora poy epedeije xqes sto Ypoyrgeio;

REPPAS: Den egine kamia anafora se tetoio qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eseis exete kapoio sxolio gia to gegonos oti enas Ypoyrgos kleidwnei kai jekleidwnei opote qelei to Ypoyrgeio;

REPPAS: Den qa krinoyme ton k. Giannopoylo. O kaqe Ypoyrgos xeirizetai ta qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy toy, opws ekeinos nomizei. Kai o k. Giannopoylos, nomizw oti exei polloys logoys na anaferei, an qelete na syzhthsete mazi toy gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Oyte pisteyw oti einai swsto kapoioi na katalambanoyn grafeia Ypoyrgwn h toys orofoys twn Ypoyrgeiwn. Den einai aytos tropos gia na diatypwnoyn kapoioi ta qemata ta opoia toys apasxoloyn. Mh mpoyme, omws, s' ayth th syzhthsh.

BITSENTZOY: Epeidh se orismena krath h eyprepeia einai ajiwsh twn politwn kai bebaiws twn syndikalistwn, alla kai twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn. H eyprepeia kai h mh aytarxikh symperifora. Otan ayth den apodeiknyetai sth symperifora, loipon, kybernhtikwn melwn, ti kanei o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Symfwnoyme apolyta oti einai qema arxhs, einai kanonas oti prepei na yparxei eyprepeia kai emprakth apodosh timhs se kaqe sympolith mas. Poly perissotero se foreis ths ejoysias h se ekproswpoys koinwnikwn dynamewn. Nomizw, loipon, oti h syzhthsh h opoia ginetai sthn patrida mas gia tetoioy eidoys qemata, den mporei na afora to Baggelh to Giannopoylo, o opoios -kai anaferomai se lejeis poy eseis xrhsimopoihsate- einai gnwstos gia toys agwnes poy exei kanei yper ths Dhmokratias kai enantion toy aytarxismoy h ths anajioprepoys symperiforas ths ejoysias, enantion twn politwn h se baros twn politwn. Ayta einai gnwsta qemata.

KIAOS: Gnwrizete oti eixe apagoreyqei, xqes, stoys diapisteymenoys dhmosiografoys sto Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs na mpoyn na kanoyn th doyleia toys, na kalycoyn ta Peristatika;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw aytes tis leptomereies.

KIAOS: Gnwrizete oti kai shmera, epishs, apagoreyqhke stoys diapisteymenoys na mpoyn na kanoyn th doyleia toys kanonika;

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata ta opoia qa apasxolhsoyn toys synadelfoys sas me ton armodio Ypoyrgo.

KIAOS: Den to gnwrizete eseis;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw aytes tis leptomereies stis opoies anafereste. Apo ta deltia eidhsewn plhroforhqhka oti proekyce kapoio epeisodio, as to onomasw etsi.

KIAOS: Epeisodio;

REPPAS: Epeisodio.

KIAOS: Egw, sas anaferw to ejhs: oti den toys epetraph na kanoyn th doyleia toys stoixeiwdws, na mpoyn mesa ekei. Kai anaferomai sto ejhs: h taytothta poy exoyme thn opoia ypografete kai eseis kai oi prokatoxoi sas, leei oti oi Arxes ofeiloyn na toy ejasfalizoyn toy katoxoy dhmosiografoy, kaqe nomimh dieykolynsh gia thn askhsh toy leitoyrghmatos toy. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh...

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti parexetai kaqe nomimh dieykolynsh.

KIAOS: Oxi, qelw na pw poios edwse entolh -parakalw poly na to ereynhsete kai eseis- na mhn epitrepoyn thn eisodo stoys dhmosiografoys. Den lew gia toys dikhgoroys kai gia ta melh toy Dikhgorikoy Syllogoy, einai alla pragmata ayta, ta eipate kai prohgoymenws. Anaferomai sthn aproskopth leitoyrgia toy dhmosiografoy gia na enhmerwsei. Tipota perissotero. Qa to ereynhsete;

REPPAS: Oydeis mporei na kathgorhsei eite to Baggelh to Giannopoylo eite opoiondhpote apo thn Kybernhsh, oti me th symperifora toy parempodizei to ergo twn dhmosiografwn, h emforeitai apo apoceis se baros toy dhmosiografikoy leitoyrghmatos. Alla, ola ayta poy eipate ta akoysa bebaiws me megalh prosoxh. Den jerw pws akribws exoyn. Einai ena qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na mas sxoliasete toys xarakthrismoys toy k. Giannopoyloy gia ton Proedro toy Dikhgorikoy Syllogoy Aqhnwn;

REPPAS: Exei poly kalh synergasia o k. Giannopoylos me ton Proedro toy Dikhgorikoy Syllogoy Aqhnwn kai parakalw poly na mh bgazete symperasmata apo tetoies periptwsiakes sygkroyseis, an qelete na tis onomasw ki etsi, oi opoies, omws, den einai toses kai tetoies, wste na einai ikanes na kamcoyn h na alloiwsoyn tis poly kales sxeseis poy exei o k. Giannopoylos kai me toys episthmonikoys, epaggelmatikoys kai koinwnikoys foreis me toys opoioys synergazetai kai me toys Ellhnes polites stoys opoioys apeyqynetai.

MPOYRDARAS: Yparxei, k. Ypoyrge, protroph, odhgia, paraklhsh h kapoia kateyqynsh pros ta melh ths Kybernhshs apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na mhn parastoyn sto Synedrio ths Neolaias toy kybernwntos kommatos;

REPPAS: Den mas apasxolhse kaqoloy ayto to qema sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Eipa oti den egine kamia anafora. Apo ekei kai pera o Prwqypoyrgos einai Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. H Politikh Grammateia exei ekdwsei mia anakoinwsh poy orizei to politiko plaisio kai anaferetai sth qesh poy exei ws kaqodhghsh toy Kinhmatos gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

KIAOS: Poia einai h antidrash toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth dhlwsh-anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas, k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, ws apanthsh sthn anakoinwsh poy molis pro oligoy eipate ths Politikhs Grammateias;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti aytes oi dhlwseis anaferontai se ena kommatiko qema, to opoio antimetwpizetai apo tis dynameis, ta organa, toys syntrofoys toy Kinhmatos, analogws twn kaqhkontwn poy exei o kaqenas, sto plaisio twn diadikasiwn toy Kinhmatos. Den einai qema poy apasxolei thn Kybernhsh. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h Kybernhsh exei thn empistosynh toy Ellhnikoy Laoy gia na oloklhrwsei me epityxia th qhteia ths, na paragei sygkekrimeno ergo, na antimetwpisei kai na lysei problhmata ths xwras kai toy laoy mas. Den einai dynato na ejomoiwnetai ayto to terastio ergo, to opoio kanei h Kybernhsh, me th sthrijh kai th symbolh olwn twn boyleytwn, sto plaisio ths koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias poy diaqetei to PASOK sto Koinoboylio, me opoies ejelijeis yparxoyn sto eswkommatiko pedio. Den einai dynato mia eqnikh, mia dhmosia ypoqesh, opws einai h prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh gia ta megala problhmata ths xwras, na qewreitai isodynamh me ypoqeseis oi opoies exoyn entono eswteriko, eswkommatiko xarakthra. Kai to lew, giati blepw oti ginetai mia prospaqeia na diaplejoyme tis kommatikes drasthriothtes me tis kybernhtikes drasthriothtes. Kai ayto den prepei na ginetai.

GARGALAKOS: Epeidh, mia sygkroysh Prwqypoyrgoy kai Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas qa eixe ws synepeia kai thn apostaqeropoihsh ths Kybernhshs, to oti apofeyxqhke ayth h sygkroysh me th mh symmetoxh, telika, toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy sto Synedrio ths Neolaias ikanopoiei ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizei oti exei analabei ta kaqhkonta toy se mia dyskolh periodo gia thn Ellada. Prokeimenoy na antapokriqei sta kaqhkonta ayta epiqymei -kai thn exei- th bohqeia kai th symparastash olwn twn stelexwn, qa elega olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, sto plaisio ayths ths syllogikhs kybernhtikhs prospaqeias, einai eyqygrammismenos ston koino stoxo poy exoyme qesei. Einai dynato, loipon, na miloyme gia sygkroysh otan exoyme mia eyqygrammish kai taytish, qa elega, twn dynamewn ths Kybernhshs gia na petyxoyme aytoys toys megaloys eqnikoys kai koinwnikoys stoxoys; Ayto einai poy prepei telika na epishmanw giati ayto exei shmasia.

LIARELLHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me bash to plaisio, to opoio eseis anaferate, ths Politikhs Grammateias, to opoio einai sygkekrimeno kai safes kai th dhlwsh sas oti h Kybernhsh apolambanei ths sthrijhs olwn twn boyleytwn. Den synista, kata th gnwmh sas, qema oti peripoy 25 boyleytes den dexontai to plaisio ths Politikhs Grammateias kai phgan shmera sto Synedrio;

REPPAS: Ayto shmainei oti airoyn thn empistosynh toys pros thn Kybernhsh; Oti h prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs na oloklhrwsei me epityxia to ergo ths adynatizei; Kaqe allo. Den prokyptei apo poyqena. Ta ths Politikhs Grammateias, parakalw, qa syzhthqoyn sto plaisio twn leitoyrgiwn toy Kinhmatos mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an telika o Prwqypoyrgos qa paei sto Synedrio ths Neolaias toy kommatos.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei se ayto to qema kai den prokyptei otidhpote allo, neotero.

Sas eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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