Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-02-11

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 11.2.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PARIS: Qa mporoysate na mas dwsete leptomereies gia thn episkech toy Proedroy ths Kybernhshs kai Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn toy Bietnam k. Nanx Kam;

REPPAS: Eipa apo th Deytera oti thn Paraskeyh, to prwi, qa ginei dektos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Brisketai sthn Ellada, sto plaisio twn dimerwn sxesewn. Kanei periodeia se diafores xwres o k. Nanx Kam. Qa exei syzhthseis me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai qa ginei dektos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

MIXAHL: H Kybernhsh qewrei oti h diadikasia ejygianshs ths Olympiakhs apotelei gi' aythn thn prwth prajh kai to krithrio gia analogh diadikasia kai se alles DEKO; To qewrei ws montelo, gia na to pw etsi;

REPPAS: Oles oi prajeis ths Kybernhshs katateinoyn sthn ejygiansh twn epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy, twn epixeirhsewn poy einai zhmiogones kai elleimmatikes. H Olympiakh einai mia neyralgikh dhmosia epixeirhsh. Qa prepei oloi, h Politeia, h Dioikhsh ths Olympiakhs, alla kai oi ergazomenoi, kaqenas me to diko toy qetiko tropo, na symbaloyme wste na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata poy exei ayth h megalh etairia. Den einai kati kainoyrgio na poyme oti o eqnikos aerometaforeas den zei tis kalyteres stigmes toy. Gnwrizoyme ta problhmata poy exei. Ayto to opoio epiballetai einai, mesa se klima synennohshs kai synergasias, na antimetwpisoyme kai na lysoyme ta problhmata, xwris agones antiparaqeseis.

MIXAHL: Poies eggyhseis yparxoyn oti qa petyxete, dedomenoy oti kai sto parelqon eginan analoges prospaqeies apo thn Kybernhsh toy PASOK kai to apotelesma einai na ftanoyme twra jana na kanoyme mia nea prospaqeia; Ayth th fora, poia einai ta exeggya;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mixahl, h eggyhsh poy yparxei kaqe fora, prokeimenoy na petyxei mia prospaqeia, einai oi anqrwpoi, aytoi poy symmetexoyn sthn prospaqeia. Pisteyw oti h boylhsh ths Politeias einai dedomenh. Nomizw oti kai oi ergazomenoi epiqymoyn thn ejygiansh toy xwroy ston opoio ergazontai, me ton opoio einai taytismenh h idia h zwh toys. Ayth h koinh qelhsh pisteyw oti einai h kalyterh eggyhsh gia thn epityxia toy egxeirhmatos.

MIXAHL: Dhladh, moy lete oti tis prohgoymenes fores den yphrxe h katallhlh boylhsh ap' osoys diaxeiristhkan tote thn ejygiansh;

REPPAS: Sas lew oti krinontas ek toy apotelesmatos, mporoyme na bgaloyme to symperasma oti ena programma ejygianshs poy eixe ekponhqei, den efarmosthke.

PARIS: Yparxei san prooptikh h metoxopoihsh h h pwlhsh ths Olympiakhs;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei gi' ayta ta qemata. Den mas exei apasxolhsei qema pwlhshs ths Olympiakhs.

KIAOS: Exete qesei sygkekrimenoys stoxoys kai xronika oria poy qa kinhqei dhladh h Kybernhsh sto plaisio toy programmatos ejygianshs ths Olympiakhs; Prwta sthn Olympiakh kai meta stis alles zhmiogones, opws lete, DEKO h kai se alles argotera. Na moy peite praktika omws kai mesa se sygkekrimeno xroniko plaisio kai orio, an exete balei.

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, h antimetwpish twn problhmatwn ths Olympiakhs exei ena epeigonta xarakthra. H diadikasia antimetwpishs twn problhmatwn twn dhmosiwn zhmiogonwn epixeirhsewn, einai mia diadikasia parallhlh. Den qa ginei kata stadia, den qa oloklhrwqei h diadikasia antimetwpishs twn problhmatwn ths Olympiakhs, prokeimenoy na xeiristoyme ta qemata se mia allh dhmosia epixeirhsh. Taytoxronws, oi Dioikhseis twn dhmosiwn aytwn Organismwn, se synennohsh me toys ergazomenoys, qa proxwrhsoyn sthn katagrafh twn problhmatwn kai sth symfwnia toy plaisioy, to opoio qa apotelesei kai th bash gia thn antimetwpish kai thn epilysh aytwn twn problhmatwn. Einai diadikasia mhnwn. Epiqymoyme to syntomotero dynato na oloklhrwqei me epityxia ayth h prospaqeia. Epanalambanw oti gia thn Olympiakh exei ena idiaitera epeigonta xarakthra, xwris ayto na shmainei oti kai gia tis alles epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy den einai to idio epitaktiko, amesws na asxolhqoyme me ta problhmata toys.

KIAOS: Ean omws den symfwnhqei ena plaisio me toys amesa endiaferomenoys, tote pame sto nomo, opws exei chfistei h kateyqynsh apo th Boylh...

REPPAS: O nomos aytos afora th dynatothta allaghs toy kanonismoy proswpikoy se sygkekrimenes dhmosies epixeirhseis.

KIAOS: Den einai ayto ena stoixeio ths poreias pros thn ejygiansh;

REPPAS: Asfalws, einai kai ayto ena stoixeio. Milhsa gia ena plaisio. To plaisio ayto syntiqetai apo diafora epimeroys stoixeia.

KIAOS: Poia einai ta alla;

REPPAS: Einai ayta poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia twn epixeirhsewn aytwn, thn allagh twn kanonismwn Proswpikoy, opoy ayto epiballetai, thn anadiarqrwsh twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, thn timologiakh politikh twn epixeirhsewn aytwn, ta asfalistika qemata twn ergazomenwn stis epixeirhseis kai thn enisxysh ths antagwnistikothtas aytwn twn epixeirhsewn.

KIAOS: Sto plaisio ayto, ektos apo thn Olympiakh gia thn opoia sas rwthse o synadelfos prohgoymenws, gia alles epixeirhseis kai Organismoys toy Dhmosioy, antimetwpizete to endexomeno, meros aytwn na metoxopoihqoyn h na mpoyn se allo kaqestws;

REPPAS: Exoyme edw kai arketo kairo anakoinwsei, poies einai oi epixeirhseis oi opoies epiqymoyme na eisaxqoyn sto Xrhmatisthrio. Tis exoyme anaferei. Einai sygkekrimenes kai gnwstes se sas. To problhma ths Olympiakhs, epanalambanw, einai ena idiaitero problhma. Mporoyme na poyme oti megalo problhma antimetwpizoyn epishs oi Astikes Sygkoinwnies, o Organismos Sidhrodromwn kai ta Ellhnika Taxydromeia. Aytes einai oi dhmosies epixeirhseis stis opoies prepei prwtistws na strecoyme to endiaferon mas. Yparxoyn kai alles. Oson afora twra thn eisagwgh sto Xrhmatisthrio epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy, opws o Omilos ths Dhmosias Epixeirhshs Petrelaioy kai h Anwnymh Etairia Aforologhtwn Eidwn kaqws kai alles, exoyme milhsei. To programma mas ayto -para to oti, xronika mporei na pei kapoios oti den exoyme epideijei thn akraia synepeia me bash ta osa eixame anakoinwsei- prepei na pw oti ejelissetai kai nomizw oti qa oloklhrwqei me epityxia.

PARIS: Pali gia thn Olympiakh qa hqela na rwthsw. Pisteyei h Kybernhsh oti me thn paroysa Dioikhsh qa mporesei pragmatika na ginei ayto to bhma pros thn ejygiansh; Giati anatrexontas sta arxeia moy, sth qhteia toy prohgoymenoy Dioikhth ta xreh ths Olympiakhs anebhkan ton ena xrono 17% kai ton allo xrono alla 19% kai meta tis peripeteies tis opoies eixate gia na breite kapoion geniko dieyqynth, dedomenoy oti enas efeyge, o allos erxotan.

REPPAS: Metajy twn allwn kai me ayto to krithrio epelegh h nea Dioikhsh ths Olympiakhs. Epeidh einai gnwsto to sxedio mas, prokeimenoy na thn odhghsoyme se ejygiansh, nomizoyme oti h Dioikhsh qa symbalei se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws qa gnwrizete oi paranomes proslhceis einai poiniko adikhma. To erwthma moy einai an qa "tylijete" se mia dikografia thn hgesia ths Olympiakhs kai qa thn parapemcete ston Eisaggelea h epilhfqei Eisaggeleas.

REPPAS: Oson afora to qema twn paratypiwn se sxesh me proslhceis epoxikoy proswpikoy, o armodios Ypoyrgos exei pei oti o sxetikos fakelos me to porisma toy Anwtatoy Symboylioy Epiloghs Proswpikoy exei stalei ston Eisaggelea.

FILHS: Epeidh sobei mia entash se sxesh me to Irak, se sxesh me mia dhlwsh gia olympiakh ekexeiria, yparxei kapoio sxolio ths Kybernhshs gia ayth thn krish;

REPPAS: Qa epanalabw ena geniko sxolio: Emeis pisteyoyme oti den prepei na paragontai kai na xrhsimopoioyntai opla mazikhs katastrofhs. Ayto einai ena prwto shmeio. Ena deytero shmeio. Qa prepei na efarmozontai oi apofaseis toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Kai ena trito shmeio -sto opoio mporw na meinw twra- einai h epidiwjh me eirhniko tropo, me diplwmatika kai politika mesa na anazhtoyme lyseis se problhmata ta opoia yparxoyn, na apofygoyme thn analhch stratiwtikhs drashs. Ayto einai ena triptyxo qesewn, to opoio kalyptei kai tis dikes mas qeseis. Epeidh h enhmerwsh, thn opoia exoyme oloi, martyra oti pragmati ypofwskei mia entash sthn perioxh, prepei na einai oloi cyxraimoi, prepei na ejantlhsoyn tis dynatothtes poy exoyn, prokeimenoy mesw synennohsewn na breqei lysh. Apo ekei kai pera, den exei allajei tipota. Briskw, omws, thn eykairia me thn erwthsh sas na pw, oti oson afora th drasthriothta poy exei anaptyxqei se baseis sthn Krhth, eite einai sth Soyda, eite einai sto aerodromio toy Hrakleioy, yparxei mia synhqismenh kinhsh. Pragmati exoyn dielqei aeroplana jenwn kratwn apo to Hrakleio, kyriws, prokeimenoy na kateyqynqoyn telikws sthn Kypro. Einai kati to opoio pagiws ginetai. Den exoyme kati newtero kai den einai h kinhsh ayth entagmenh sthn kinhtikothta, logw ths entashs ston Kolpo. Prepei, loipon, me cyxraimia na antimetwpizei ta problhmata, para to oti blepw kai egw na anebainoyn oi tonoi apo diafores pleyres. Kai den milw mono gia tis HPA, milw kai gia ekproswpoys allwn xwrwn poy topoqetoyntai gia to sygkekrimeno qema me poikiloys tropoys.

SOYGLERHS: Xarakthrisate thn kinhsh twn aeroskafwn ws synhqh, an katalaba kala. Yparxei epishmh protash apo thn amerikanikh pleyra gia mia tetoia synergasia;

REPPAS: Den yparxei opoiadhpote protash. Den mas exei doqei opoiodhpote mhnyma. Den exei zhthqei apo thn Ellada opoiasdhpote morfhs dieykolynsh h symmetoxh se kapoia tetoia drasthriothta.

MIXAHL: Diabasa se shmerino dhmosieyma oti proteinetai apo ton Eyrwpaiko Organismo Enaerias Kykloforias (EURO CONTROL) mia anakatanomh toy xarth twn aerodiadromwn, poy sthn oysia -etsi toylaxiston opws anaferei to dhmosieyma- shmainei oti to Aigaio apokleietai apo ayto...

REPPAS: Qelete na me dieykolynete legontas moy se poio dhmosieyma anafereste;

MIXAHL: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma sthn ELEYQEROTYPIA poy anaferei oti yparxei mia protash toy EURO CONTROL. H ELEYQEROTYPIA milaei gia prosqetoys aerodiadromoys poy einai ektos Aigaioy kai oti oi sxetikes apofaseis qa lhfqoyn, stis arxes Martioy, sthn Attaleia ths Toyrkias.

KIAOS: Na apofeygoyn to Aigaio...

MIXAHL: Na apofeygoyn, me liga logia, to Aigaio kai na phgainoyn apo alloy. To prwto erwthma einai, an alhqeyei to dhmosieyma kai to deytero, oti yparxei mia parametros, h opoia pisteyw oti einai poly pio diaforetikh: Dhladh, oti h Ellada den exei na antiproteinei tipote allo!

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola prepei na pw oti o elegxos kai h diaxeirish ths enaerias kykloforias se kaqe xwra apotelei armodiothta twn Yphresiwn ths sygkekrimenhs xwras. Ara, loipon, oi aerodiadromoi, oi opoioi yparxoyn kai xrhsimopoioyntai sthn Ellada, apofasizontai, prosdiorizontai kai kaqorizontai apo thn YPA ths xwras mas. Oydeis, ejwqen, mporei na epibalei diadromoys sygkekrimenoys sthn enaeria -as to pw etsi- ektash thn opoia exei mia opoiadhpote xwra. Prepei na pw, me aformh th dikh sas erwthsh, oti syntomotata qa xrhsimopoihqoyn kai pali treis kyrioi aerodiadromoi, oi opoioi eixan katarghqei, logw ths gioygkoslabikhs krishs, me apotelesma na ayjhqei h enaeria kinhsh sthn Ellada. Polles fores oi aerodiadromoi xarazontai me gnwmona ta oikonomika krithria ths pthshs. Me ayth thn ennoia h Ellada, logw ths gewgrafikhs qeshs ths, exei polla pleonekthmata. Xrhsimopoieitai synhqws to kentro ths Elladas, h raxokokalia ths Elladas, h Dytikh Ellada kai to Ionio. Oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema, den allazei tipota. Den einai dynato na allajoyn oi aerodiadromoi sthn Ellada kai sto Aigaio sygkekrimena, xwris na symfwnhsei se opoiadhpote allagh kai h YPA ths xwras mas. Kati tetoio den exei ginei. Oi apofaseis aytes lambanontai omofwna. Antilambaneste, loipon, oti exoyme thn armodiothta kai thn apolyth ejoysia -qa elega- emeis na prosdiorisoyme poioi einai oi aerodiadromoi, oi opoioi xrhsimopoioyntai gia ta politika aeroskafh sthn patrida mas. Den allazei tipota. Den exei teqei kanena qema allaghs twn aerodiadromwn sto Aigaio. Gia to qema ayto, omws, qa ekdoqei anakoinwsh apo thn YPA me leptomereies, gia na mhn paramenoyn aytes oi entypwseis.

FILHS: H Eyrwpaikh Epitroph anakoinwse, xqes, oti qa kanei ereyna sxetika me ta telh ths kinhths thlefwnias kai gia ton ayqaireto tropo poy xrewnoyn, ypertimologwntas, oysiastika, ta telh oi diafores Yphresies. Kati poy afora kai thn Ellada. Epeidh h Kybernhsh exei proxwrhsei se synach symbasewn me etaireies sthn Ellada, skeptetai ajiopoiwntas kai ayth thn ereyna poy jekina h E.E. na proxwrhsei se mia diadikasia anaqewrhshs twn symbasewn me etaireies kinhths thlefwnias;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola prepei na doyme pws qa ejelixqei ayth h diadikasia. An qa ginei ayth h ereyna kai an ginei se ti porisma qa katalhjei. Nomizw oti efoson oi oroi, me toys opoioys exei symfwnhsei ayth th synergasia to ellhniko Dhmosio me idiwtikes etaireies, throyntai, den exei kanena logo to ellhniko Dhmosio na labei opoiadhpote prwtoboylia. Efoson oi oroi aytoi den throyntai, bebaiws, tote yparxei qema. Qa parakoloyqhsoyme me endiaferon thn prwtoboylia poy exei analhfqei se epipedo E.E. Einai prowro na poyme o,tidhpote. Den qeloyme na prodikasoyme thn ejelijh ayths ths ereynas.

PARIS: Shmerina dhmosieymata feroyn ton OTE na endiaferetai na agorasei to synolo toy boylgarikoy Organismoy Thlepikoinwniwn -o opoios einai pros idiwtikopoihsh- se synergasia me ton kratiko Organismo Thlepikoinwnias ths Germanias. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean yparxei kapoia tetoia skech. Sas rwtw giati einai megalo to qema, einai poly megalh h proklhsh ayth.

REPPAS: O OTE sto plaisio toy ependytikoy, anaptyjiakoy programmatos toy analambanei diafores prwtoboylies. Gnwrizete oti einai metoxos jenwn thlepikoinwniakwn organismwn. Proxwra se synergasies me jenoys thlepikoinwniakoys organismoys. Sto plaisio ayto ejetazei ola ta endexomena, kaqws kai to sygkekrimeno. Alla, bebaiws, otan einai se ejelijh mia diadikasia, antilambaneste pws einai poly prowro na anakoinwsei kapoios o,tidhpote. O OTE, en pash periptwsei, einai enas megalos Organismos. Kai an ton krinei kaneis me ta dieqnh metra, mporei na pei oti pragmatika einai enas gigantas. Logiko einai na analambanei tetoies prwtoboylies.

Eyxaristw poly.

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