Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-01-16

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16.1.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Arxika, na sas enhmerwsw gia th shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

Basiko antikeimeno syzhthshs sth shmerinh synedriash htan h politikh ston tomea ths pronoias. H apofash poy labame, afora thn kataqesh nomosxedioy me to opoio dhmioyrgeitai to Eqniko Systhma Koinwnikhs Frontidas. To PASOK qemeliwse thn politikh gia to koinwniko kratos. Metajy twn allwn exei dhmioyrghsei to Eqniko Systhma Ygeias, to opoio, para ta problhmata poy yparxoyn -kai to anagnwrizoyme- exei bohqhsei shmantika, sthn paroxh yphresiwn ygeias stoys Ellhnes polites poy tis exoyn anagkh.

Ston tomea ths Pronoias den yphrje mexri twra ena eniaio systhma, apotelesmatiko, pragma to opoio, me th shmerinh apofash, apotelei pleon gegonos, afoy bebaiws chfistei to sxetiko nomosxedio poy qa katateqei.

Gia ta qemata pronoiakhs politikhs, ta opoia apoteloyn enan tomea proteraiothtas gia thn Kybernhsh mas, diaqetoyme to 26% toy akaqaristoy eqnikoy prodontos (AEP). To pososto ayto einai poly ychlotero apo to meso koinotiko oro gia antistoixa programmata, gia thn pronoiakh, dhladh, politikh.

-Apofasisame oti prepei na enisxyqoyn me ejeidikeymeno episthmoniko proswpiko oi diaforoi Organismoi h Yphresies poy leitoyrgoyn sto plaisio twn pronoiakwn forewn. Prepei na ginoyn oi aparaithtes epikairopoihseis, prosarmoges, oi anagkaies eksygxronistikes allages, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme nea problhmata, ta opoia exei anadeijei h zwh. Me thn idrysh toy Eqnikoy Systhmatos Koinwnikhs Frontidas epitygxanoyme mia pio apotelesmatikh parembash sta qemata Pronoias, mia parembash poy qa diakrinetai apo pneyma koinwnikhs allhleggyhs kai qa antapokrinetai sth syntagmatikh epitagh gia thn ikanopoihsh twn koinwnikwn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn.

-Sto plaisio ayto to Eqniko Systhma Koinwnikhs Frontidas sthrizetai se dyo pylwnes: to dhmosio afenos kai to mh kerdoskopiko idiwtiko afeteroy. Oi dhmosies yphresies anadiarqrwnontai, anadiorganwnontai, me katarghseis, sygxwneyseis Yphresiwn kai Organismwn, opoy aytes prepei na ginoyn, kai thn anakatanomh toy yphretoyntos shmera proswpikoy, afoy se alles periptwseis yparxei pleonazon kai anajiopoihto anqrwpino dynamiko, enw se alles periptwseis yparxoyn Yphresies poy den exoyn eparkh stelexwsh, opws einai. p.x. oi brefonhpiakoi staqmoi.

-Oi Yphresies aytes toy dhmosioy diaxwrizontai se tria epipeda: kentriko, perifereiako kai topiko. Oi kentrikes yphresies apoktoyn ena epiteliko, syntonistiko xarakthra.

H Perifereia elegxei ta Idrymata, toys foreis poy leitoyrgoyn kai prosferoyn tis yphresies toys entos twn oriwn ths. Kati antistoixo ginetai me toys Organismoys Aytodioikhshs, Nomarxiakhs kai Topikhs. Allwste, einai enqarryntika ta apotelesmata, ta opoia exoyn prokycei apo thn apodosh twn brefonhpiakwn staqmwn h twn KAPH, poy edw kai arketa xronia exoyme idrysei kai ypagontai sth dikaiodosia twn Organismwn Topikhs Aytodioikhshs.

Epishs, oi foreis oi opoioi anaptyssoyn analoges leitoyrgies ston idiwtiko tomea prepei na leitoyrgoyn me bash qesmoqethmena krithria kai proypoqeseis, prokeimenoy, sth bash ths symplhrwmatikhs kalychs twn anagkwn toy plhqysmoy, na prosferoyn apo th dikh toys skopia, afoy bebaiws, exei elegxqei h skopimothta ths idryshs aytwn twn forewn ston idiwtiko tomea kai h biwsimothta toys.

* Oi dyo megaloi pronoiakoi organismoi poy leitoyrgoyn mexri shmera, o Eqnikos Organismos Pronoias kai to PIKPA, metejelissontai se basikoys epitelikoys foreis kai aporrofoyn, sto megalytero pososto, alloys foreis poy leitoyrgoyn shmera sto plaisio toy dhmosioy tomea kai h leitoyrgia toys den krinetai apotelesmatikh.

* Epishs, qa synexisoyme thn prospaqeia mas gia thn anaptyjh kai diktywsh enos eqelontikoy kinhmatos se olh th xwra, afoy idiwtes, polites h foreis, exoyn ekdhlwsei endiaferon mexri twra kai zhtoyn th dikh mas bohqeia, h opoia parexetai kai qa parexetai se megalytero baqmo sto mellon, prokeimenoy apo th dikh toys pleyra na symbaloyn sthn antimetwpish problhmatwn ta opoia apasxoloyn sympolites mas. Qa prosferoyn, dhladh, koinwnikh frontida gia na beltiwsoyn tis synqhkes zwhs pollwn sympolitwn mas oi opoioi pasxoyn.

* Oi basikes pronoiakes draseis oi opoies anaptyssontai -anaferomai sygkekrimena pleon se tomeis- einai:

-Ta epidomata kai ta oikonomika bohqhmata poy parexontai. -H paroxh anoixths periqalchs se atoma me eidikes anagkes. -H paroxh anoixths kai kleisths periqalchs se hlikiwmenoys apo 130 pronoiakoys foreis kai peripoy 300 kentra anoixths periqalchs hlikiwmenwn, ta gnwsta KAPH. -H filojenia paidiwn prosxolikhs hlikias se 1307 kratikoys paidikoys staqmoys kai 131 kratikoys brefonhpiakoys staqmoys. -Ta programmata yioqesias kai anadoxhs. -Ta programmata kataskhnwsewn gia paidia, hlikiwmenoys kai atoma me eidikes anagkes. Kai telos, -Ta programmata gia eypaqeis omades toy plhqysmoy mas.

* Gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn eidikwn eypaqwn omadwn toy plhqysmoy mas kai me th syndromh toy Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs, anaptyssetai ena diktyo ameshs koinwnikhs bohqeias, ena Eqniko Kentro Ameshs Koinwnikhs Bohqeias gia na antimetwpisei ta problhmata atomwn poy exoyn amesh anagkh. Kai anaferomai se egkataleleimmena paidia, paidia poy ergazontai stoys fwteinoys shmatodotes, kakopoihmenes gynaikes kai alles kathgories.

Periorizomai s' ayth th genikh anafora. Prepei na pw oti einai adiapragmateyto gia mas to Kratos Pronoias. Sthn Ellada oi politikes oi opoies anaptyxqhkan apo th dekaetia toy ?80, sygkyriakws synepesan me th syrriknwsh twn programmatwn koinwnikhs politikhs se alles eyrwpadkes xwres, opoy hdh h oikonomikh krish eixe epibalei ton periorismo twn dapanwn stis xwres aytes, oson afora koinwnika programmata. Gia mas o istos prostasias twn politwn poy adynatoyn na ejasfalisoyn, mesa apo kanonikes diadikasies, ena ajioprepes epipedo diabiwshs, einai adiapragmateyth politikh. Exoyme kanei shmantika bhmata mexri twra. Qa synexisoyme sthn idia kateyqynsh kai qa beltiwsoyme thn politikh mas.

* Epishs, shmera, apofasisame thn idrysh dyo Epitropwn eqnikoy xarakthra, poy qa parakoloyqhsoyn dyo shmantika qemata, ta opoia aforoyn fainomena poy anaptyssontai me th ragdaia ejelijh ths texnologias, alla kai thn anaptyjh ths episthmhs.

-Milw gia thn Eqnikh Epitroph Dikaiwmatwn toy Anqrwpoy. H Epitroph ayth qa exei eqniko xarakthra. Qa symperilambanei foreis oi opoioi den qa einai kybernhtikoi, prokeimenoy na asxolhqei, na parakoloyqhsei, na orisei to plaisio mias eqnikhs politikhs gia ta qemata ayta. Ena tetoio qema -metajy allwn anaferomai s' ena qema ths epikairothtas- einai h klwnopoihsh toy anqrwpoy. Prosfata exoyme ypogracei to sxetiko prwtokollo, mazi me alles 18 xwres. Ston tomea ayto h politikh mas prepei na einai safhs. Kai egkairws diatypwnoyme ayth thn politikh.

-H allh Eqnikh Epitroph afora ta qemata biohqikhs. Idryetai gia na parakoloyqhsei tis ejelijeis ston tomea twn biologikwn episthmwn. Prosfata to Symboylio Eyrwphs exei yioqethsei sxetikh symbash, h opoia akoloyqeitai apo diafora prwtokolla. Sto plaisio ths politikhs mas gia ta qemata ayta qa proxwrhsoyme sth sygkrothsh ayths ths Eqnikhs Epitrophs Biohqikhs.

Polla Ypoyrgeia ta opoia antimetwpizoyn ayto to qema apo th dikh toys pleyra -sto metro dhladh, twn dikwn toys armodiothtwn- qa synergastoyn, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwqei h katartish nomosxedioy me to opoio qa idryontai oi dyo aytes Epitropes.

* Sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy apofasisame, epishs, thn kalych ths kenhs qeshs toy Antiproedroy toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys apo ton k. Rizo Antwnakopoylo, poy yphretei shmera ws nomikos symboylos sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

* Eisagwgikws, dhladh prin apo th syzhthsh twn kyriws qematwn, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane politikes epishmanseis gia qemata ths epikairothtas.

-Anefere oti h syzhthsh h opoia anaptyssetai gia ta eswkommatika qemata den endiaferei idiaiterws toys polites. Kai tonise oti, h apotelesmatikothta, thn opoia emeis qa epityxoyme mesw toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, einai ayth h opoia qa antimetwpisei ta opoia problhmata.

-Eipe, epishs, oti oloi oi Ypoyrgoi eimaste politika ypeyqynoi na antimetwpisoyme, sth bash twn programmatikwn dhlwsewn poy exoyme ejaggeilei, ta qemata poy kaqenas antimetwpizei sto diko toy Ypoyrgeio. Anefere xarakthristika oti "den yparxoyn epityxies h apotyxies Ypoyrgwn, yparxoyn epityxies h apotyxies ths Kybernhshs". M' ayth thn ennoia apaiteitai h koinh stash olwn, prokeimenoy to kybernhtiko ergo poy paragetai -kai einai shmantiko kata koinh omologia- na apotelei gia oloys to kyrio, enopoihtiko shmeio ths drashs mas kai me thn koinh mas stash na to anadeiknyoyme, prokeimenoy o ellhnikos laos, afoy peistei gia thn ajia toy ergoy aytoy, na mas sthrijei, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwsoyme me epityxia to ergo mas.

* Telos, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia akomh epishmansh, anaferomenos se diafores perioxes toy dhmosioy tomea, opws xarakthristika eipe, opoy epikratoyn akomh pelateiakes politikes. Anefere sygkekrimena paradeigmata, ta opoia aforoyn apospaseis h metaqeseis ypallhlwn, epiloges gia qeseis idiws toy ejwterikoy, metaqeseis stratiwtwn. Mas kalese oloys na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas gia na antimetwpisoyme tetoioy eidoys pelateiaka fainomena opoy yparxoyn, prokeimenoy me antikeimenikes diadikasies na diejagontai oles aytes oi yphresiakes leitoyrgies, wste kai h ajiopistia ths Kybernhshs na enisxyetai kai to paragomeno apotelesma na einai akomh kalytero pros ofelos twn politwn. Na empedwqei ena aisqhma kratoys dikaioy se oles tis perioxes toy Dhmosioy.

Ayta oson afora ta toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

* Qa moy epitrecete na kanw mia mikrh epishmansh, epeidh eida oti to qema ayto yparxei se kapoio baqmo, shmera, sthn epikairothta, oson afora sxetikh erwthsh poy kateqesan boyleytes ths N.D. sth Boylh. Apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh, stis 9 Dekembrioy, eixa dwsei sygkekrimenh apanthsh kai sas parapempw sta praktika ths syzhthshs mas, ekeinh thn hmera. Den prepei na yparxei paranohsh, anamesa, sthn politikh qesh poy exei kapoios, sthn apoch toy gia ena gegonos h ena istoriko proswpo kai sthn typikh kai oysiastikh ypoxrewsh poy exei o Dhmosios Radiothleoptikos Foreas, opws einai h ERT, na proballei oles tis apoceis gia kapoio qema h gia kapoio proswpo. Aytos, allwste, einai o rolos ths Dhmosias Radiothleorashs. Oi apoceis poy exoyme gia istorika gegonota kai proswpa einai gnwstes. Gnwrizete poly kala, kai to Kinhma mas kai ta stelexh mas kai oloi mas, poies apoceis exoyme dexqei, exoyme anaptyjei h ekfrasei kai gia ton Arh Beloyxiwth. Asfalws, htan o empneysths kai o hgeths enos apeleyqerwtikoy agwna. Einai xreos, omws, ths Dhmosias Radiothleorashs gia ola ta proswpa kai ta gegonota, ta opoia me opoiondhpote tropo erxontai kai epanerxontai sthn epikairothta, na proballei oles tis ekdoxes, oles tis apoceis. Na ejasfalizei, dhladh, bhma probolhs gia oloys. Ayto, parakalw na to dexqeite, ws mia apo meroys moy, aposafhnish, gia na mhn yparxoyn paranohseis.

Eimai sth diaqesh sas gia erwthseis:

MIXAHL: Efoson krinate skopimo na anaferqeite se ayto to qema, qelw na sas rwthsw ean epimenete sth frash thn opoia perilabate sth grapth sas apanthsh oti einai amfilegomenh proswpikothta o Arhs Beloyxiwths;

REPPAS: O Arhs Beloyxiwths einai mia proswpikothta gia thn opoia polloi exoyn milhsei me diaforetikes kriseis. Ayto to antikeimeniko eipa. Den einai proswpikh moy krish. Kai eipa, epishs, oti gia gegonota h gia anqrwpoys, gia ta opoia diatypwnontai diafores kai diaforetikes apoceis, h ERT prepei na ejasfalizei bhma probolhs se oles aytes tis apoceis. Ayth einai h apanthsh poy dinw.

MIXAHL: Opws antilambaneste einai diaforetikhs tajews qema to na krinei kapoios istorikos...

REPPAS: Qelete thn apoch th dikh moy, ws Ypoyrgoy, gia to sygkekrimeno qema; Afoy apanthsa molis prin. Kai eixa apanthsei kai palaiotera.

MIXAHL: Qewreite oti htan esfalmenh h diatypwsh "amfilegomenh proswpikothta";

REPPAS: Milhsa prwtogenws, kyrie Mixahl, kai ta aposafhnisa ola ayta ta qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos otan eipe sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia "mizerh eswkommatikh antiparaqesh", poioys ennooyse, se poioys apeyqynotan;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti ayth h eswstrefeia h opoia anaptyssetai, epeidh akribws den afora ta problhmata poy biwnei kai antimetwpizei o ellhnikos laos, ta problhmata poy ajiwnei o ellhnikos laos emeis na antimetwpizoyme kai na lysoyme, den prokalei idiaitero endiaferon. Dhmioyrgei problhmata. Kai oti o monos tropos gia na jeperasoyme ayta ta problhmata, gia na yperkalycoyme ta zhthmata poy dhmioyrgoyntai, einai na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas, wste na paragoyme kybernhtiko ergo, ston kalytero dynato baqmo. Etsi, loipon, qa kerdisoyme th sthrijh toy ellhnikoy laoy sthn prospaqeia poy kanoyme. Den qa kerdisoyme th sthrijh toy ellhnikoy laoy dinontas thn entypwsh oti exoyme mia eswstrefh antiparaqesh h mia enasxolhsh me eswterika qemata, dika mas h toy Kinhmatos mas. Kati to opoio den apasxolei, idiaiterws, ton ellhniko lao.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se poioys apeyqynotan, sygkekrimena, den to eipe tyxaia sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

REPPAS: Asfalws, den to eipe tyxaia, ekane mia politikh epishmansh, opws sas eipa sthn arxh. O Prwqypoyrgos pote den milaei tyxaia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto eipa, se poioys;

REPPAS: Ma, einai mia qesh genikhs politikhs arxhs. Milhsa gia mia politikh epishmansh. Ayto exei mia diarkh ajia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den leei synexeia, twra to eipe...

REPPAS: Polles fores o Prwqypoyrgos exei kanei tetoies genikes politikes epishmanseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Enas Ypoyrgos milhse sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio -kai mallon ayto htan aixmh gia sas- gia kakh epikoinwniakh politikh ths Kybernhshs. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Asfalws, ginetai polles fores logos, oxi shmera mono, kai sta kybernhtika kai sta kommatika organa, gia ta apotelesmata, ta opoia epitygxanei h prospaqeia anadeijhs h probolhs toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Kai prepei na sas pw oti asfalws, pera twn oswn leei o opoiosdhpote allos ki egw eimai enas apo aytoys poy kaqe allo para eimai ikanopoihmenos apo ton tropo me ton opoio eisprattei o ellhnikos laos to ergo poy paragei h Kybernhsh. Qewrw oti h eikona, h opoia exei dhmioyrghqei, to fainesqe, dhladh, ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, adikei thn Kybernhsh. Giati h Kybernhsh exei ploysiotato ergo, exei shmantika epiteygmata na epideijei kai ayta me eyqynes olwn, den ginontai idiaiterws antilhpta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apeyqynontan se oloys, se esas apeyqynotan.

REPPAS: Wraia! Oi eyqynes, loipon, einai mono dikes moy. Apolytws, dikes moy oles oi eyqynes!!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis ekfrazete ayth thn politikh.

REPPAS: Malista. Egw exw, loipon, apolytws, oles tis eyqynes !!

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Egine apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h apo kapoion allo anafora sta ellhnotoyrkika;

REPPAS: Kamia anafora.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Giati kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Einai ena qema ayto, twn toyrkikwn proklhsewn, to opoio antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh, mesw twn armodiwn Ypoyrgwn kai Yphresiwn.

ELENOPOYLOS: Mia erwthsh poy afora ton Prwqypoyrgo proswpika kai qa hqela apanthsh, ean kai efoson gnwrizete. Anaferqhkate se mia epishmansh, h opoia egine gia to qema ths eswstrefeias kai twn kommatikwn -as poyme- ejelijewn. Rwtw sygkekrimena: O Prwqypoyrgos ayth thn wra kanei th sygkekrimenh epishmansh, epeidh diablepei ti, ektima ti; Sygkekrimena: Ean gnwrizete, ean den gnwrizete mhn moy apanthsete;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, xwris na einai profhths, gnwrizei, epeidh sthn Ellada zei, oti syzhtoyme shmantika qemata, ta opoia den exoyn th diastash ths sobarothtas, poy etsi ki alliws, ej antikeimenoy, exoyn ta qemata ayta sto dhmosio dialogo. Enw alla qemata mikroterhs shmasias megenqynontai kai proballontai, monopwloyn to endiaferon ths koinhs gnwmhs an kai antikeimenikws, ta qemata ayta den aptontai twn problhmatwn, ta opoia antimetwpizei o ellhnikos laos. P.x. shmera, syzhthsame kai apofasisame na paroyme mia para poly shmantikh prwtoboylia, gia thn idrysh toy Eqnikoy Systhmatos Koinwnikhs Frontidas. Edw, blepete oti oi erwthseis den aforoyn ayto to qema, aforoyn mia politikh epishmansh poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos, opws kanei se oles, sxedon, tis synedriaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

ELENOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete ean o Prwqypoyrgos apodidei sygkekrimena se kapoioys eyqynes gi ayth thn anakoloyqia;

REPPAS: Exete, hdh, apanthsh. Den qa eprepe na kanete ayth thn erwthsh dioti o idios o Prwqypoyrgos eipe shmera oti den yparxoyn apotyxies h epityxies Ypoyrgwn, yparxoyn apotyxies h epityxies ths Kybernhshs. Ara, loipon, einai qema ths Kybernhshs, to pws qa antimetwpisei ta problhmata ths xwras. Einai synoliko qema, den einai qema enos epimeroys tomea. Ayto, akribws, nomizw oti dinei apanthsh sto erwthma sas, gia to an yparxoyn sygkekrimenes eyqynes, tis opoies apodidei se kapoion o Prwqypoyrgos. Allwste, h Kybernhsh synexizei to ergo ths me th synqesh poy sas einai gnwsth. Ayto nomizw ta leei ola.

MOYRTZHS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos kanei th diapistwsh oti yparxoyn pelateiakes politikes me metaqeseis ypallhlwn kai metaqeseis strateymenwn sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs, to zhthma einai, ti qa ginei me aytoys poy petyxan mia metaqesh kai ti qa ginei me aytoys poy exoyn thn politikh eyqynh aytwn twn fainomenwn; Telos qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos phre ypoch tis kataggelies, poy eixe kanei progenestera o Q. Pagkalos, gia orismenes metaqeseis sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs poy aforoysan kai synadelfoys dhmosiografoys;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti prepei na apegklwbistoyme apo thn ypokeimenikh logikh, h opoia xarakthrizei tis epiloges poy kanoyme se diaforoys tomeis. Kai kalese kaqe Ypoyrgo, sto diko toy tomea, na enteinei thn prospaqeia toy, wste na egkaqidryqoyn antikeimenika krithria kai adiablhtes diadikasies, prokeimenoy mesa apo tetoies kainoyrgies ryqmiseis, na antimetwpizoyme qemata poy aforoyn thn ajiopoihsh toy anqrwpinoy dynamikoy. Giati, pera apo antikeimenikes diadikasies, oson afora tis leitoyrgies, prepei na yparxoyn kai antikeimenikes diadikasies, oson afora thn epilogh proswpwn-stelexwn. Anefere kapoia paradeigmata, ta opoia kalese toys armodioys na ta antimetwpisoyn, opws kai kaqe Ypoyrgos sto diko toy xwro prepei na antimetwpisei analoga qemata.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Na symperanoyme, k. Ypoyrge, oti aytes oi epishmanseis poy ekane sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio o Prwqypoyrgos prokyptoyn kai apo tis epafes poy eixe me ta melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy;

REPPAS: Oi epafes poy exei me ta stelexh aforoyn, metajy twn allwn, kai ta qemata kybernhtikhs armodiothtas twn stelexwn aytwn, doqentos oti ta perissotera apo ayta me ta opoia synanthqhke kai syzhthse exoyn kai kybernhtika kaqhkonta. Qa elega pws o Prwqypoyrgos, epeidh akribws exei kaqhmerinh sxedon synergasia me ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, gnwrizei se poies perioxes kybernhtikhs drashs, yparxoyn akomh fainomena pelateiakhs leitoyrgias h ypokeimenikwn krithriwn ta opoia kaqorizoyn epiloges kai gi' ayto akribws zhthse apo toys armodioys, na antimetwpisoyn ayta ta fainomena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kybernhtiko stelexos, xqes, milwntas me dhmosiografoys eipe oti endexomenws h Ellada qa mporoyse na syzhthsei ta deka milia, alla ayto den mporei na symbei shmera kai oyte mporei na ginei ypo to kratos twn apeilwn ths Toyrkias. Syzhtate kapoio qema meiwshs toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy mas;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, afoy allwste, me pollh safhneia exoyme kanei gnwstes tis apoceis mas -oi opoies den einai kainoyrgies, einai apoceis oi opoies sthrizontai se mia politikh dekaetiwn poy akoloyqei h xwra mas sth diarkeia twn opoiwn parhlasan polles kybernhseis- oti h politikh mas paramenei idia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto poy eipe to kybernhtiko stelexos den isxyei;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw se ti anafereste. Sas lew poia einai h politikh kai bebaiws exoyme apanthsei aytes tis hmeres se synafeis erwthseis kat' epanalhch, wste na mhn yparxei h paramikrh amfibolia gia thn kaqarothta ths politikhs mas ston tomea ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epimenw k. Ypoyrge. Ti apantate;

REPPAS: Apantw oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme sto sygkekrimeno tomea einai gnwsth kai den allazei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei h den yparxei ayto poy leei o Ypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Apanthsa k. Stamatopoyle. Mhn ypotimate kai th dikh moy nohmosynh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den thn ypotimw. Eseis apofeygete na apanthsete.

REPPAS: Etsi lete; Eidate, loipon, se ti ermhneies fqanoyme para tis safeis apanthseis poy sas dinw;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite akoma, ti akribws synebh xqes sta Imia;

REPPAS: Einai se gnwsh sas ta peristatika ayta. Xqes, enas mikros ariqmos alieytikwn skafwn kai sygkekrimena pente h eji alieytika me Toyrkoys idiokthtes, plhsiasan pros th nhsida Imia. Otan paroysiasthke ekei skafos toy Ellhnikoy Limenikoy poy peripolei thn perioxh, apomakrynqhkan. Den yphrje kanena allo qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mono skafos toy Limenikoy emfanisthke;

REPPAS: Malista.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den phge kanonioforos;

REPPAS: Oxi, bebaia. Sas apanthsa.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H synanthsh toy k. Klh me ton k. Mperns aforoyse ayto to qema;

REPPAS: Aforoyse ayto, akribws, to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, giati fwnazoyme synexeia ton Mperns molis oi Toyrkoi mpainoyn mesa;

REPPAS: Shmera to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn exei kalesei toys Presbeis twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpadkhs Enwshs, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsei gia ta teleytaia symbanta, gia thn proklhtikh, dhladh, symperifora thn opoia ekdhlwnei h Toyrkia kai thn prospaqeia ths na kataskeyasei mia ellhnotoyrkikh krish. Epishmainoyme oti h stash ths Toyrkias, den afora mono thn Ellada, afora kai thn E.E., afoy h E.E. me apofaseis ths exei orisei to plaisio entos toy opoioy symmorfoymenh h Toyrkia stoys sygkekrimenoys oroys kai proypoqeseis, mporoyn na anaptyxqoyn oi eyrw-toyrkikes sxeseis. Etsi, loipon, to qema ayto to opoio dhmioyrgeitai me thn proklhtikh, epiqetikh, epiboylh symperifora ths Toyrkias to kaqistoyme gnwsto stoys etairoys mas, prokeimenoy kai ekeinoi na gnwrizoyn, poly sygkekrimena, me leptomereies kai stoixeia, poia einai h antidrash ths Toyrkias stis protaseis poy ths kanei h E.E., prokeimenoy na anaptyxqoyn oi eyrw-toyrkikes sxeseis.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Eixame shmera parabiaseis kai parabaseis apo toyrkika maxhtika;.

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota neo ston tomea ayto.

KIAOS: O k. Mperns, xqes, kai o Bretanos presbhs, opws exoyn gracei oi efhmerides, kai shmera oi alloi presbeytes, poy lete, milhsan gia to sygkekrimeno peristatiko me ta caradika;

REPPAS: O k. Mperns eklhqh xqes, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqei gia to sygkekrimeno peristatiko. Oi koinotikoi qa enhmerwqoyn shmera gia to sygkekrimeno peristatiko kai gia tis parabiaseis poy ekanan toyrkika maxhtika aeroskafh, tis teleytaies aytes hmeres. H enhmerwsh poy parexoyme pros tis alles xwres ths E.E., dinetai af' enos apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn stoys edw presbeis twn xwrwn aytwn kai afeteroy mesw twn presbewn mas stis xwres ths E.E., me parastaseis h anakoinwseis pros ta Ypoyrgeia Ejwterikwn twn xwrwn ths E.E.

KIAOS: Ektima h Kybernhsh oti ayta ta caradika den kinhqhkan ekei me prwtoboylia twn idiokthtwn, alla me prwtoboylia twn toyrkikwn Arxwn;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio den to gnwrizoyme, den mporoyme na to poyme me safhneia. Den mporoyme na eimaste kathgorhmatikoi. Ayto to opoio, omws, prepei na kanoyme -kai ayto kanoyme gia polloys logoys- einai na enhmerwsoyme toys jenoys paragontes, epeidh mia tetoia symperifora, ej' antikeimenoy, mporei na epenerghsei arnhtika kai na dhmioyrghsei dysmeneis ejelijeis.

KIAOS: Mphkan sta ellhnika xwrika ydata ta caradika ayta;

REPPAS: Kinhqhkan ta carokaika sthn oriogrammh. Einai jerete mikres oi apostaseis sthn perioxh ekeinh. Den mporei na pei kaneis oti kinhqhkan -giati to eida kai ayto na grafetai- dytika ths nhsidas Imia. Ayta einai yperboles, den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia.

KIAOS: Tis ektimhseis poy ejefrase o Proedros ths Dhmokratias apo thn India, oti den apokleietai qermo epeisodio, tis symmerizeste;

REPPAS: Parakalw, mh qetete erwthseis gia dhlwseis poy kanei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias. Gnwrizete, oti pote den tis sxoliazoyme. O Proedros ths Dhmokratias exei eyaisqhsia gia ola ta qemata kai bebaiws, ws prwtos poliths ayths ths xwras, endiaferetai gia thn akeraiothta ths xwras mas kai thn eqnikh ajioprepeia. Ara, loipon, yp' ayto to prisma, prepei na ejetazoyme pantote tis eystoxes epishmanseis h parembaseis poy kanei.

T.MPERMPERAKHS: Gi' ayto to qema twn carokaikwn, egine opoiadhpote epafh me thn Agkyra h kapoio diabhma;

REPPAS: Den exei ginei opoiadhpote epafh gia to qema ayto.

Eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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